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mas - I believe that was just 90nm production, but 65nm has increased.
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/04/27/HNchartered65nmchips_1.html
mas - He's both.
wbmw - IIRC, in many cases, particularly with high-end cards, nVidia doesn't allow any deviation from reference designs, except for minor things like upgraded coolers. They have the cards made(by Foxconn or MSI, I think?) and sell them to the AIB makers for relabeling.
Keith - Maybe not, but it's what they have for the next several months. Such is life. At least it's some improvement.
TL-66(2.3G) coming in May to combat Santa Rosa
http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=142875
AMD to release Turion 64 X2 TL-66 to fight Santa Rosa in May
Turion 64 X2 (2 x 512KB L2, DDR2-800)
TL-66 : 2.3GHz, 35W TDP
TL-64 : 2.2GHz, 35W TDP
TL-60 : 2.0GHz, 31W TDP
TL-58 : 1.9GHz, 31W TDP
TL-56 : 1.8GHz, 31W TDP
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/news.php?ti...me=0&endtime=0
wbmw - You really think that secret could be kept long enough for Intel not to find out and pre-empt? Not likely.
Tenchu - Not likely to happen, unless Otellini is willing to hand over the reins to Jen-Hsun. Probably why AMD didn't go there first.
wbmw & DoU - If they'd done that, Intel could've just paid ATi more to do it for them instead. The purchase eliminated that option.
wbmw - Perhaps you ought to read the last sentence of your post I replied to. I should've quoted it.
wbmw - Considering they're looking for more litho engineers for 22nm, I don't believe they're just talking about 32nm, much less 45nm and the generation that will come with them.
Joey - Keep wishin'. It would've been nice, but not at all expected. The important folks are testing them for real - server chips are coming first. I wouldn't really expect a public demo of Agena or Kuma until Computex. That would be a good time and place for demoing the desktop chips.
AMD probably didn't want to allow them a really good shot for some reason.
cg - And immediately preceding, they mentioned custom TSMC processors.
cg - re: "Hmmm, the XD1 and XT3 have very different architectures and use different chipsets. I wonder what parts are common between those two platforms? "
You mean like disk drives, cables, PSUs? :P
Elmer - Most folks wouldn't consider September summer. Granted September 21st is the equinox, but June, July and August is summer in most folks' eyes, with Labor Day(Sep. 3) being the unofficial end of summer for most folks, here in the USA, at least.
Good and bad video news. Early word is that 8600s will outperform RV630, but they won't have HDMI interface.
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=752184
2007-3-6 22:16
Source from Taiwan manufacturer said NVIDIA would release 3 performance optimized DirectX 10 graphic cards in mid-April, including GeForce 8600GTS, GeForce 8600GT and GeForce 8500GT. All of them are stronger than AMD RV630, according to internal test results from manufacturers.
Based on G84, the whole GeForce 8600 family is all fabricated by TSMC with 80nm technology. The top model, GeForce 8600GTS, codenamed G84-400, has a core speed at 675MHz, and features 2GHz DDR 128Bit 256MB graphic memory. GeForce 8600GTS is therefore expected to give more power than GeForce 7900GT.
The second top, GeForce 8600GT, codenamed G84-300, would be a weaker version of GTS, where its core speed is lowered to 420MHz or below, and features 1.4GHz DDR graphic memory only. GeForce 8600GT is expected to give more power than GeForce 7600GT.
On the mean while, NVIDIA also plans to release new value G86 product, GeForce 8500GT, codenamed G86-300. Based on G84, its architecture is much simpler, and it will be fabricated by 80nm technology as well. GeForce 8500GT is expected to give more power than GeForce 7600GS.
All G84 and G86 except G84-P400 would have no HDCP and native HDMI support on this release. Yet, since its rival AMD makes these features in all of its upcoming RV630 and RV610, source cited NVIDIA's promise that the company would put in these features in later time.
Besides, the 3 models mentioned above, 2 more G86 models will also soon to be released, namely GeForce 8400GS and GeForce 8300GS.
EE Times: Industry socked by next-gen litho woes
Mark LaPedus
Page 1 of 2
EE Times
(03/05/2007 9:00 AM EST)
San Jose, Calif. -- The lithography world has suddenly turned upside-down as the industry gets socked by a double whammy: The window of opportunity is slowly closing on extreme-ultraviolet (EUV) lithography for IC production, but the most likely alternative--a version of 193-nanometer immersion--is proving expensive. The added costs could have some serious implications for chip scaling.
At last week's SPIE Advanced Lithography conference here, there were troubling signs that oft-delayed EUV technology could get pushed out even further, to the 16-nm node, in 2013--if it materializes at all. That could set back leading-edge chip makers such as Intel and Samsung, which were hoping to get their hands on working EUV tools for the early-development phases of the 22-nm node in 2011.
EUV's problems open the door for a crop of emerging technologies, such as immersion, maskless and nanoimprint lithography. But at least for the 32- and 22-nm nodes, the leading contender is 193-nm immersion, equipped with the new buzzwords "double exposure" and "double patterning."
Although various entities have proven the viability of double exposure and double patterning, the technology is more expensive than today's patterning schemes. That means chip-manufacturing costs could take a big hit over time. There are other ominous implications for the continued push to reduce IC bit prices at each process technology node...
http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=CC0B1JTKDOAVIQSNDLSCKHA?articleID=19....
wbmw, smooth - Perhaps, but not necessarily. "Barcelona" will come in dual-core form as well. And there have been some signs of those floating around.
wbmw, mmoy - I can't imagine they're going to waste alot of time tuning/redoing single core chips to get them to lower wattage. They're not likely to be used in great volume in very many situations where either performance or power are all that important. Just as they didn't have their "A" team working on the first 65nm X2s, because their efforts are concentrated on getting to Barcelona.
wbmw - re: On March 30, 2007
You neglected to mention from the same article:
AMD claims the R600 target schedule will be a hard launch -- availability is expected to be immediate. Board partners will be able to demonstrate R600 at CeBIT 2007 (March 15 - 21), but the only available cards will be reference designs.
alan81, Keith - It seems to be the only one of its kind. Search on "Pentium dual-core processor T" in Intel's mobile processor document here: http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/proc_info_table.pdf
and it's the only one that comes up.
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DoU. You're welcome. :)
DoU - Better look a lot further back for your apology than Leann.
Sorry y'all, I didn't realize we were in the kiddie corner here tonight. G'nite.
But that doesn't apply in the Intel - AMD situation.
Tenchu - re:Why does a cup of coffee from Starbucks cost twice as much as one from Dunkin' Donuts?
Have you ever tasted them? There's your answer.
Hans - I was going to say, the logic scaling on Penryn doesn't look to impressive, if the image scales are correct.
ATi RV610 and R630 to launch in April.
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37463
Mainstream and low end DX10 are shapping up
By Fuad Abazovic: Tuesday 06 February 2007, 15:47
DAAMIT is not that far away from launching its mainstream and entry level DirectX 10 products.
Nvidia will beat it with its G86 and G84 launch but we heard that AMD plans to introduce the mainstream R610 and entry level RV630 in April. This will roughly take place a month after the original R600 launch. Give or take a week or two, more likely give.
Those will be crippled versions of the original R600 design, but they will be good for Vista and DirectX 10 and that’s what AMD desperately needs...
DoU - Stuttering problem or extreme short-term memory problem?
EP - A quad core is a quad core is a quad core?
transistor speed does not equal processor speed.
EP - Seems to me IBM is quite familiar with large caches.
cg- And since when does Celeron have L3? And what do you know about AMD's L3?
Klaus,
I wonder if they're thinking that it's better for them to keep/grow the socket wins, so when they come out with a competitive product, they're already in the door. Then they can raise ASPs. Of course, that assumes the performance is compelling enough to warrant a price increase.
Elmer,wbmw - It's different, to Intel's advantage. "Shipping >50% finishing Q4" could mean just that the last week of Q4 was >50% dual core, whereas "greater than 50% of Q4 shipments" is just what it says, and the latter is a far greater number than the prior.
Sheesh! Ihub really seems to be screwing up posts lately! At least 3 times in as many days I see post links that look interesting, only to find when I click on them, they're completely unrelated repeats of prior posts by totally different posters than what I expected.
For example, try to read posts 78654 through 78656.
Keith - You mean it's not the end of the world, with Sun about to drop AMD? Shock!!
Mike - Indeed it did, all at anywhere from the one low oddball of @66% load to 100%.
Elmer - Not zero, but certainly not something I'd take as gospel. But I'm willing to give them some benefit of the doubt until they show some reason to doubt them on that front.
Joe - the correction states "Insted(sic), the company stressed that the first products to combine general purpose and graphics processors will be produced in early 2009. InfoWorld web-site, which incorrectly quoted Mr. Hester, has corrected its interview"