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WAMU 2.0 lol
so it is official that she ruled in favor or wamuq to keep the NOL...right?,just want to be sure about it because i think this is key as mordicai says, it opens the door to other ones.
Mordicai you think its round 1 to wamuq?
I agree Gotx,but thanks like people like you who share your info,or Z,Rheedle,OG,Tax Guy we all can get a better picture of this.
Hi strijelak, may or may not rule on that one, we where all focus on the 4 Billion and not on the NOL, turns out the NOL will set the line .
W3 can you please elaborate on the impact of this 8K filling?,TIA.
the really news will be about the NOL not the 4B, that will let us know how BIAS this judge its.
The NOL its the key then, not the 4B, wamu want it to know right away about this, cause the 4B was almost a sure thing,so the 4B + the NOL would leave them in good shape, hence the braking and skidding of FDCI and JP, because now its so obvious this is FDIC against WAMU imo.
so its not the 4B, it's the NOL, wow what a shakedown, meet Tony Dimon..
U know cat? Im going to contact both parties locally with this,like you said a week after election, they will use anything...
Remember wamuq asked to hurry things,and made their case about the interest lost and damage to the state,now they take a step back, I think they played them, hurry them and if we hear something promising well back up a little, so they tell the judge to hold.
I think tomorrow they will clear the path for them to fix something out of court, without pressure from the court for 2 weeks,so they will focus on that and wont rule on the 4 b, cause its part of any deal going on, IMO the weekend will bring some news..remember that the 4 Bill the first time didnt make a change at all as news.
Dimon does look like xerxes...
Well cheers with pepto,oh its good.
don't panic just a shake to get rid of people
Tax guy only a few post,but supervaluable thanks a 1000.
Im in Vegas,lets place a bunch of them,will give them a hint or just for giggles..lol
a sort of reverse fat finger? on the GTC posting..
asia up 400+ at this time, we may have another good day tomorrow.
I wish there was tv or web access like CourtTV..
(sight) to walk to my boss office and tell him to..lol just the thought gives me a warm feeling.
Yes I read positive thoughts today,good. I have 150K shares,and hoping,praying doing rain dances,voodoo so i can refinance my home and send my kid to college.
Well GLTA this week, Asian markets up at this time, good night.
lol contractor, have mercy its sunday and I worked today.
Our service man and woman aboard!, read this JP you are messing with the best.
Sharga you just made my month.lol yessssssss
Hi Chloe they have you working extra time? trying to get rid of the shorts? some things dont change..
I agree W3,also I was wondering about the time frame of the last wamuq fillings, as asking for a delay and also a ruling in thursday.
zardiw,why if wamuq asked for time also ask for the court to rule faster, do you think their time window its this days?..
tia.
facts,lets see this week timetable
1.- MM'S kept buying and controlling the price,we all know who they are, the wouldnt be around if something wasnt going on.
2.- Wamu auction got a good review considering..and it dosnt affect us at all,plus good media.
3.- An enormous tax return its expected,reason probably of the filling of a protecction of % shares ownership.
4.- as was posted for someone else ( but it is in pacer) the transcript for the hearing will not be available, people familiar with this proccedures point that this is very very rare.
5.- wamu fills a petition for more time..not fdic,not jp or the half cook board,
the last thing I am,its to be a financial especialist,Im not joe the plumber but close.. but all this facts not rumors makes me thing that a negotiation with either jpm(fdic) or a third party its on. just some thoughts.
wamu ask for it,they needed time to finish something without pressure to be on court on monday, i think sounds promising either way something its going on
Goldman, Coller May Buy Stakes in Lehman's Private Equity Funds
By Jonathan Keehner and Serena Saitto
Oct. 23 (Bloomberg) -- Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Coller Capital and Lexington Partners Inc. are weighing bids for Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.'s investments in U.S. and European private-equity funds, people with knowledge of the matter said.
Lehman is trying to sell stakes in real estate, merchant banking and venture-capital funds with about $15 billion of assets, according to the people, who declined to be identified because the talks are confidential. The venture capital portion is expected to be sold by November, the merchant holdings and real estate by year end. As many as a dozen potential buyers have indicated interest, one of the people said.
The disposals may lead a wave of so-called secondary sales, as investors seek to buy others' stakes in private-equity funds at distressed prices. Between $12 billion and $15 billion of secondary interests changed hands last year, and the figure may double in the next 12 months as banks with credit-market losses try to raise cash and pare hard-to-value holdings, according to Coller Capital's Frank Morgan.
``I don't know of a bank that's not considering selling non- core assets including private-equity interests,'' said Morgan, a Coller partner in New York. The London-based firm invests in buyout and venture-capital funds and raised $4.8 billion last year for a fund targeting secondary sales.
Morgan declined to comment on the pending Lehman sale. Representatives of New York-based Lexington, which oversees $10.2 billion of secondary private-equity funds, and Goldman Sachs, which raised $3 billion last year for a fund that invests in secondary sales, declined to comment. Officials at Lehman and Lazard Ltd., which is managing the sale, also declined to comment. Goldman, Lehman and Lazard are based in New York.
D.E. Shaw, SRAM
``The investment teams for these funds remain intact and focused as we actively pursue the best strategic alternatives for these businesses,'' Lehman said in an Oct. 2 statement. ``As always, a primary consideration is the best interests of our investors.''
Once the fourth-largest securities firm in the U.S., Lehman filed the biggest bankruptcy in the nation's history on Sept. 15. A crisis of confidence in Wall Street firms had eroded 94 percent of the company's market value since the beginning of the year.
The fund stakes Lehman plans to dispose of were left behind when the firm agreed to sell most of its investment management business to private-equity firms Bain Capital LLC and Hellman & Friedman LLC on Sept. 29. That sale was challenged by Carlyle Group, the world's second-largest private-equity firm, which may make its own bid by December.
Lehman's private-equity assets include stakes in New York- based hedge-fund firm D. E. Shaw & Co. and investments in companies such as Angelica Corp., the Chesterfield, Missouri- based hospital linens provider, and SRAM Corp., the Chicago-based bicycle components company.
`Perfect Opportunity'
An unresolved question that may complicate the sale is how the funds, which include commitments from institutions other than Lehman, will be managed. Fund managers from Lehman are considering buying some of the general partnerships that oversee the funds, according to two people familiar with the matter.
As more banks seek to shed stakes in private funds, the growing inventory of distressed assets may stoke concern about their diminishing value. Fund interests are already fetching discounts of as much as 25 percent compared with a year ago, said Craig Marmer, a partner at secondary placement agent Probitas Partners in San Francisco.
``It's a perfect opportunity for established secondary funds,'' said Marmer. ``Those teams that are really experienced will be out raising even more money.''
To contact the reporters on this story: Jonathan Keehner in New York at jkeehner@bloomberg.net; Serena Saitto in New York at ssaitto@bloomberg.net.
Sounds logic,sometimesright I really hope this time you are..lol.
The plot thickens...a buyout maybe?.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aGosIogJtdnE&refer=home
I think the best its finally also some publicity that its alive and kicking.
looks like ended at 57 cents of the dollar.
we are in the news in cnbc!
23rd October 2008
On Thursday 23rd October 2008, the auction to settle the credit derivative trades for Washington Mutual, Inc. is to be held.
The results will be published here on the day of the auction.
For the ISDA Protocol please see the Washington Mutual CDS Protocol (PDF)
For general information on Credit Event Auctions please see the Credit Event Auction Primer (PDF)
Bidder
Bank of America Securities LLC
Barclays Bank PLC
BNP Paribas
Citigroup Global Markets Inc.
Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC
Deutsche Bank AG
Dresdner Bank AG
Goldman, Sachs & Co.
HSBC Bank USA, National Association
J.P. Morgan Securities Inc.
Merrill Lynch, Pierce, Fenner & Smith Incorporated
Morgan Stanley & Co. Incorporated
The Royal Bank of Scotland PLC
UBS Securities LLC
does anyone knows something about the auction for tomorrow ?.
Zardiw any thoughts on thrusday auction? or its old news to everybody.