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I disagree. It is bad if you sell for say 300% profit and end up missing out on say 10000% profit long term.
If I make 10 grand today at the expense of 1 million in the future, that's a problem for me. Not a risk I'm willing to take at this point with so much expectation for this stock.
I'm not saying you can't flip right now and perhaps increase your shares, but there is a big risk associated with that in my opinion.
all my opinions, not investment advice.
I liked Cash's idea about putting in bids every morning ladder style to show them we mean business, but then those who are seeking more shares at a better price may lose the chance. Personally, I kind of like the idea of some big investors waiting for the mm's to drop it a bit first then go on a shopping spree to put them in a deeper hole... but perhaps that would make their tactics even worse, who knows.
What i do know is that I'm hoping to get my 2 mil shares before all this dies down, which i guess gives me a different perspective than the big cats holding 10's of millions of shares.
Bottom line is we all know where this thing is going. If you have all your shares, just sit tight I guess or add more:D
just my opinions
definitely, let's take some shares off the market folks! :D
as that guy birdito always says, break out the penny jar if you have to!
I recall hearing the o/s at about 1.4 billion, puts you in a good position to own about 1/300th or so... pretty nice.
good luck getting so many shares. it's not always easy to get filled these days, esp large orders. some people have said they had more success buying in smaller chunks.
I was talking about bouncing people off the board who come in trying to slam the stock without any dd to back up the claims, hoping to buy in low... that's not you is it??? :D
Welcome aboard. Feel free to hope for a retrace, but recent history has been disappointing for those hoping the same.
We are all waiting patiently for news about the exciting new developments, so not much flipping going on amongst the wise folks here.
Good luck getting some shares. If you are going in for more than a few days, then my opinion is that the share price is still a bargain. That's just my opinion and not intended to be investment advice. If you read the Ibox above, you can get some idea of why my opinion is the way it is.
good luck.
wow, wing and lurker both banned... that brings a whole new dimension to our "quiet period"...
don't worry wing, we'll bounce for ya!
no specific timeframe, see my previous post for the email to Allie from Paul.
Sit tight and buckle up!
for newbies,
just want to make sure this one stays around for new board members and guests
FYI From Paul!
Allie,
Congratulations on the success of you and your marvelous team. You guys are “da bomb.”
Effective immediately, no consultant, employee, associate, etc., will be permitted to post anything on any stock board. Regarding SPZI. We will allow access to Tom Opper through the Spooz general number. Please don’t post his number, or anyone directly associated with Spooz on the IHub board.
We have so much news coming that we are all very excited, unfortunately, I can not breathe a word of it now. Soon you will know so hold on to your seat!
Best Regards,
Paul D. Strickland, Jr.
Chief Executive Officer
interesting post, thanks for sharing
wallstreetfinance.net
does anyone know who put this site together? is it an ihubber?
some interesting info at:
http://wallstreetfinance.net/about.htm
president is a shareholder, supposedly at shareholder's mtg in May
they say they are not compensated (directly) by Spooz for any of the postings...
The whole site just looks wierd to me... do they profile other companies?
nice post... I like the training the trainers concept and think it is a good way to minimize customer service demands. If people are "working for" spooz in exchange for the benefits it brings to their company, then that would be great news.
Martingale, thanks for your insights.
I do not understand why they would need 37.5 mil in "new" business for Dec '08... I'm guessing you meant to say 37.5 mil/month by Dec 2008.
I'm pretty sure the 450 mil number came out of the last shareholder's meeting based on "conservative" projections by the company, so I am going to keep my hopes set on that number.
I agree it will be hard to get such a complicated tool out so fast, but I am certainly not the expert on this.
New website coming out... I think Paul emailed about that not too long ago.
I won't change my expectations until I that the company has done so. Hopefully we'll get an updated picture in the next PR's.
Thanks again for your feedback.
hey martingale, nice concise summary...
i think the difference in the 2008 numbers you are referring to is due to the way each is stated. I think that by Dec of '08, the company will be making 450 mil/year (rate). This does not mean they will make 450 mil in 2008. Hopefully the rate of revs will continue to grow even more in the future so '09 will be a bil- =D time will tell i guess.
jmo
db,
welcome aboard... I am fairly new around these parts as well and have learned a lot of great info about the company and trading strategy in general (and still learning).
Yes the adds are pretty catchy. The launch has not been announced, but we have confirmations from the company that they have a growing list of subscribers. We expect to hear the details shortly.
For some great dd, refer to the Ibox above. I think it is being updated to include some of the hallmark posts from this board.
glta,
gbathat
gm all, looks like some bs'ers invaded the board last night, thanks to those up late who fended them off, guess we'll have to be on guard all week. If we all pitch in (kindly but firmly, of course), Wing won't have to go crazy doing it all himself (though I'm sure he would if he has to!)
looking toward another exciting week.
gbathat
Posted by: fedfunz
In reply to: wing_walker who wrote msg# 16701 Date:7/11/2007 11:39:13 AM
Post #of 21114
All,
Spent an another amazing demo session at Spooz with some doubtful friends who have been trading professionally for twenty years. Within 15 minutes of the demo the jaw dropping began. A little further into the demo one friend asked the "how do you do this" question and answer it in laymens terms and Jaime launched into a pretty good explanation of Spooz for dummy's explanation of how. I have to admit that after about the 8th time hearing it, it is beginning to sink in as to how Spooz works.
As I read through the posts here many said that Spooz advantage is its speed and that is a part of it. The real guts is a paradigm shift in the nature of trading. For professional traders it takes about 15 minutes to "get it" so I not posting it here. Lets just say everyone I have brought in to see it, thinks its a life changing product.
One friend said he was considering stopping trading till Spooz is released.
All were amazed at the low cost of the software when compared to what is available for professional traders today and what Spooz offers.
I do not know when it is going to be released and I do not know anything else I can tell the board about clients signing up but, please, be assured that whenever this thing comes out it will be like a wildfire across a dry, hot plains. It will demolish the competition in every category.
(Edited) Okay, after reading through the two websites... I deem myself unqualified to answer with any authority.
Ninjatrader is definitely a competitor and offers some similar products. However, it is my understanding that spooztoolz customization and excel functionality makes it more appealing to traders.
Ninjatrader does not appear to be a public company which to me always raises questions about the authenticity of statements like "rapidly growing" etc. Who are they accountable to? They offer no numbers on subscribers despite being around for a while.
Ninjatrader is available through Man Financial and partnered with Trading Technologies, which are two of Spooz's bigger partners, but I don't think they are affiliated with TD Ameritrade like Spooz is (or will be?).
My guess is their programs are more or less the status quo that spooz will be blowing away. However, I do not have the technical understanding to explain exactly why... from what I gather, professional traders who have seen spooztoolz are really impressed, and it takes time for even them to understand how Spooztoolz works.
I hereby pass the buck onto someone else!
All my opinions... not investment advice.
gbathat
Bird,
May be worth discussing if it has not been discussed in the past... I'll try to compare the two and get back to you (and board), though I'm not an expert in trading software.
For starter's though, Spooztoolz works as an add-in to microsoft Excel. Ninja trader does not. Since Excel is the most commonly used spreadsheet program in the world, this is a big advantage.
Spooztoolz also offers a lot of customization ability to the user, which I don't think Ninjatrader offers.
I'll do some DD and would appreciate any insights from our resident experts if they have the time.
peace,
gbathat
in response to the email from paul previously posted by allie, (pasted below)
I just wanted to bring this back into the forefront of discussion. I was surprised by the opening, Paul congratulating the shareholders! This man and his team have put so much hard work into developing a great product, and he has the humility and kindness to congratulate us for simply believing in the product. I just thought this spoke volumes about the type of leader we are invested in, a great one.
Obviously, the rest of the email was great news and only added to a wonderful week.
Also, to clarify, can we still re-post old emails from the company, etc?
thanks to all the true longs (I do not include myself in this group- yet!) for your tireless efforts in DD and basher control. I feel blessed to have come across this community when I did, and I look forward learning more and hopefully contributing in any way I can.
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Allie,
Congratulations on the success of you and your marvelous team. You guys are “da bomb.”
Effective immediately, no consultant, employee, associate, etc., will be permitted to post anything on any stock board. Regarding SPZI. We will allow access to Tom Opper through the Spooz general number. Please don’t post his number, or anyone directly associated with Spooz on the IHub board.
We have so much news coming that we are all very excited, unfortunately, I can not breathe a word of it now. Soon you will know so hold on to your seat!
Best Regards,
Paul D. Strickland, Jr.
Chief Executive Officer---------------
peeved, I already informed you that dilution was not happening any longer as has been discussed in detail. you did not respond, and now you are suggesting it again. i think you are up to no good now, but feel free to prove yourself with some relevant DD links or logic.
gbat
:D thanks guys, hope you get your fills before we go up to .015 and .014 seems like a good deal =D
anyone have big orders in... what's the status?
may want to try chopping them up to get filled... based on past mb posts
well said- thanks Wing... without your presence, we'd probably have had many flippers infiltrating the board and more arguments with them than we do now
thanks allie
you're insights and leadership are greatly appreciated
gbathat
Peeved, thanks for your comments. I recommend reading fairly recent posts regarding the dilution issue- in that there will be none in the foreseeable future... we've seen two emails from Paul on this
If spooz climbs as fast as projected, I see no problems with a P/E of 20 or higher as it would make some serious waves, and I don't think that 450 mil will be the peak revenue
all just my opinion
not for spooz! jmo
not sure peeved
the statement isn't anything definite, just possibilities
you may want to avoid making your investment decisions based on that info just in case... people will just have to use one of the hundred other good reasons to invest in spooz.
i am not an expert in financial matters, please make your own decisions. this is just my opinion.
nice point, if that get's PR'd we could see close to 10 cents in a hurry, just my opinion
just reposting this good one for new folks
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Posted by: wing_walker
In reply to: Gmenfan who wrote msg# 17588 Date:7/16/2007 2:13:08 PM
Post #of 20213
LOL Gemenfan, here is an email from the CEO, Paul today.
I asked him what he thought this recent rally could be attributed to and this is his response. And I want to make it perfectly clear, that this has nothing to do with launch dates as that was not discussed and I have no idea when the launch announcement will be made. This is simply his response only to my question on this recent rally.....
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Wing,
We believe there are a number of factors driving the stock right now.
Since we finished with 504 financing a large portion of the inventories acquired by financiers has been absorbed into the public market. This means that selling pressure has somewhat abated.
We have been providing constant product demonstrations to professional traders. They seem to exhibit one of two reactions shortness of breath accompanied by heart palpitations and bouts of uncontrolled drooling. SpoozToolz is the easiest sale on the planet, especially to professionals who grasp the tremendous edge they can capture via SpoozToolz. What our product does is absolutely unique to the trading world. We know some of these traders are buying our stock.
We are talking to investors about a serious investment in Spooz significantly eclipsing $3 million. We are discussing the acquisition of a matching engine and the possibilities of Spooz making markets in and clearing certain custom spreads and derivatives. We are getting closer to closing this financing and will announce when it is complete, but success could establish a market cap ten times higher than current values. These investors may be buying public stock in advance of their investment.
It is amazing that after the time and money we have invested in Investor Relations that the stock rallies now. We have no IR initiatives at all. No press releases. Nothing. I’m thinking, “If its not broke, why try to fix it?”
Best Regards,
Paul D. Strickland, Jr.
Chief Executive Officer
Spooz, Inc.
312-379-3166
312-223-0110 Fax
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for $450 mil revenue, I estimate (please do calcs yourself as I am not a financial expert) pps of $2.25 assuming a net profit margin of 35%, a P/E of 20, and o/s of 1.4 billion. that could be as early as next year folks! how crazy is that? and i don't think that includes SWARM.
just my opinion, do calcs yourself and do not base your investment on my calculations.
profit margin estimates?
I was wondering if anyone has gotten an estimate of Spooz's expected net profits or profit margin for STv2 or the company as a whole?
I think this will be crucial info for estimating future pps.
This link says software companies have an average net profit margin of 27%
http://www.bized.co.uk/compfact/ratios/profit4.htm
However, it seems like Spooz is using a different method to get their product out, and I wonder how this might make them more or less efficient. I think I recall hearing someone say that their partnerships with major brokerages should help reduce advertising costs, which would be great.
Any insights appreciated... don't think I've seen this discussed yet, but I've only been around these parts about a month or so...
thanks
gbathat
sounds pretty disruptive to me!! woohoo!
great post, thanks!
bird,
not sure if anyone answered your post yet, but welcome to the board and yes, the ihub community here still thinks this is a strong buy
for evidence, please refer to allie's recent barrage of solid DD
this community is a great place to learn about the latest regarding spooz, and any insights from your perspective or dd are most welcome
agreed, still a great bargain at this price imo
I'm not worried about when, more about how. Sounds like things are setting up well... martingale posted that they already have hundreds of subscribers, so to me, "when" they announce the launch does not matter as long as it happens this summer. There have also been some key posts describing traders' reactions to the demos that were crucial to my investor confidence (see songbird's recent post and fedfunz's second to last post).
gbathat
wow, great post
thanks for sharing songbird
gbathat
martingale,
thanks for this good post.
gbathat
guess not:D
time to accumulate?