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Yep
I guess we´ll know more soon.....LOL
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WR...sorry to step in, but NOPE.
TPM is the root of trust. NON TPM enabled PCs with Trusted drives use a unix partition on the HDD for storing passwords and preboot authentication. Since we also have this authentication we´ll be EVERYWHERE in conjunction with Trusted Drives.
But remember HDDs are not the only trusted devices we´ll see in the future, so the TPM will be the MAIN part of a TRusted Platform!
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Sheldon...."With the WAVE preboot authentication"!!!!
Looks like the TDM doesn´t rely only on TPMs for password storage and generation. That means we can also supply legacy platforms and KICK Secude in the a**!LOL
It also means we can support Unix environments with TrustedDrives!
The ERAS manages TPM equipped platforms AND trusted drives!
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Gugi....Yeah!
Obviously TC reached Austria and WE knew it first! LOL
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Khillo...........GREAT!!!!!!!
Thanks
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Weby.....next week we´ll all know more I think!
Enjoy the weekend
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Looking.......that was exactly what I said.
"IF the Dominion is really a breakthrough technology in this arena, I would think that about 100 pieces per year could be sold easily"
These estimation was made for 2009 since I don´t think we´ll produce the Dominion in this volume in 2008.
Thanx all for your answers
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The future prospects of IMGG
I think sometimes we should look at the potential of IMGG concerning revenues and SP. I´ll try to figure out what the SP could be WHEN we´ve got FDA approval and the sales begin.
I´ll calculate with a burn rate of 8M per year (I think now we are at about 3M). Further I assume, that production costs are about 30% of the Dominion price including all material and work costs.
IF the Dominion is really a breakthrough technology in this arena, I would think that about 100 pieces per year could be sold easily. I´ll take an average of 400K per machine with about 120K costs. So the profit per Dominion should be about 280K. That would generate 28M for IMGG and a profit, lets say about 20M (Hmmm…wishful thinking!LOL)
At 250M OS (IMO about 50M dilution will be necessary until BE is reached) earnings per share should be .08.
We should get a PE of 40 at LEAST what means a SP of about 3$!
Market Cap of 750M? Why not….
Any thoughts?
TIA and BR
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AWK, Alea, Weby....paradigm change...
"Paradigm change? Can somebody define what "paradigm change" means relative to the TCG flavour of Trusted Computing. It hit me in recent weeks what it really means."
Don´t get me wrong, I´ll not try to explain this to YOU, either I´ll try to explain what it means to ME:
When security became an issue, the industry thought these issue could be resolved with software based security solutions. This worked out a few years only, before the REAL battle between HACKERS and SECURITY folks began. Everybody knew for years, that the software approach doesn´t work anymore, but as things take time nobody wants to admit that the time has changed. So it took years to form the TC model, with the hardware approach to hit the manufacturers, more years to saturate the market with TPM PC and more years with TPM software.....
It´s like the paradigm change where the world decided to leave the MAINFRAME world for the PC!
Alea, Weby
Thats OUR problem right now! We´re the FIRST TPM software company to enter the TPM market in a time were only about 10% of the PCs have the necessary hardware in it, to fullfill the needs for our software.
No sales team could change this timeframe, since we´re dependent on OEMs to put the TPMs in the RIGHT place at the right time! Remember the time were Wavoids had to search hours to find Wave mentioned! This has changed through the education of the market and thats what our staff is doing at the moment. Weby you wrote about early adopters and you were right on. We are in the first game of your "game, set, match".
Even software sales of established OLD software security solutions take time (between 6months and a year), so WHY should we do it better?LOL
Have a nice day all
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Doma...you may be right here, but I think that Dell wanted to be able to ship ETDM to customers which order their laptops direct at the Dell sales team in huge quantities.
I don´t await to see FDEs in the "configure section" as an option of their website. (like the choice of different GBs)
Don´t forget that companies or .govs chose their security products enterprise wide and order their machines through other channels. The need for customization like printing the ID on each machine (which only DELL is capable of) or special configs couldn´t be fullfilled through a web order.
But as often in the past I could be wrong and I would appreciate it in this case.
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Weby....
NOW...OEMs 90%, services 10%
Tomorrow....OEMs 50%, ETS sales 40%, services 10%
next years....OEMS 10%, ETS sales and MAINTENANCE contracts 50%, services 40%
further future......sales 30%, services 70%
Hope so....
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Weby...two years from now, Wave will not be paid trough bundling arrangements...
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No, don´t think so...
Full disk encryption HAS an exsisting market and will be demanded by a special group of customers. I await orders of this group without an OPTIN. For the rest of the world I would market this product as a bullet proof solution for DAR at a premium price. Two years from now every notebook will have it without additional cost...
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Snackman...I think we (k)no(w) him.
No need for apologize...
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OT...it´s incredibly SLOW and sometimes I get database errors like...
But it´s no difference between Firefox or IE
Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server error '80004005'
[DBNETLIB][ConnectionOpen (Connect()).]SQL Server does not exist or access denied.
/boards/dbopen.asp, line 11
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Let me say, it´s ok..../eom
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AWK.....it´s not about WHAT he said. It´s about HOW he said it. I´d not expect him to be the premier reporter on Waves story. For me it looks like he is the reporter who has a lock on the Wavoid story...
Have a nice weekend all
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GoKite...would you buy a 300KW Porsche with the 3rd-6th gear locked?
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Not that it´s worth, but long time longs know what longs like me don´t know. So for the Wavoid newbies (less than 5years invested) try to google "wavx bne"
http://www.google.at/search?hl=de&q=wavx+bne&meta=
http://ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=WAVX
When he appeared I said silly questions should be answered the same way, but we should not support the sport "mocking Wavoids", so the voices without answers will disappear soon.
Enjoy your life!LOL
A Baby Wavoid
(edit!)BNE...I hate to say this but I don´t trust you.....
I´ll stop posting here!
Forgot to say something....
This is a new tech. Nearby nobody (me included) of us understands this tech. SP rose and all were in the KNOW, SP declines and its OVER! LOL
Use your brains!!!!! NOTHING has changed in the last month or the last year! TC is real, will become standard and NOW make your BETS!
REMEMBER the picture of MSFT 1978: "WOULD YOU HAVE INVESTED?"
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Seriously....if you would ask me, all Wavoids got out, IMO we´re the only one left here holding the bag! Hurry.............EOM
Customer complaints and so on.....
http://www.dellcommunity.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=sw_other&view=by_date_ascendin...
This entry was brought up and discussed a few weeks ago.
1. Please look at the poster!
Nick Grolsen
Business department manager
Web: www.duplexsecure.com
2. Visit the site and look whats their business
http://www.duplexsecure.com/en/home
Duplex Secure enables organizations to meet their appropriate levels of identity and authentication, access control and authorization, accounting and auditability, and data integrity and privacy, recognizing that each is essential to achieving a trusted IT environment and regulatory compliance.
Our software solutions make perfect sense for today's complex and competitive marketplace.
They also provide their SPTD to Daemon Tools and Alcohol software.
http://www.duplexsecure.com/en/faq
http://www.daemon-tools.cc/dtcc/index.php?
http://shop.alcohol-soft.com/en/alcohol_info.php
And NOW make your OWN decision WHY Mr. Grolsen writes what he wrote!LOL
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The HP Broadcom TPM1.2 "support"!LOL
Yesterday I got a new HP DC5750 with a Broadcom NIC5755 with integrated TPM1.2.
I started the machine and there was NO TPM1.2 in the device manager. I searched for any TPM software on the machine and found the following.
1. In the file manager under programs, there was a Broadcom folder with the TPM1.2 driver
2. In the control panel under software, there was an entry called "Broadcom TPM install software"
3. Under Start->Programs, there was NOTHING!!!
So I restarted and configured the TPM in the BIOS.
1. You´re only able to activate the "Embedded security chip", if you set up a BIOS password for the setup.
2. After setting up the password you can activate the chip and you can chose an option "start authentification with the embedded security chip". It seems like the BIOS password is stored in the TPM, if you activate this option. That would be the PREBOOT authentication support WITHOUT OS, discussed yesterday.
3. Of course, now I have to type in my BIOS password everytime I start the machine!
4. If you don´t want the PREBOOT authentication you just have to setup a BIOS setup password NO startup password.
I restarted the machine and entered the BIOS stratup password, then the OS password and yeahhhh, there was a Broadcom TPM in the device manager under system devices. Well and NOW?
NOTHING!!!!!!!!
There was no further software disc, no further setup routines on the machine, so I went to HP and downloaded the Protect Tools Vista upgrade, since it was in the driver section for this machine and for the OS WINXP Pro!LOL
I installed it and after extracting the folders, I described months ago, I was asked for the HP Protect Tools CD!LOL LOL
Since I have no CD, the installation was chancelled, uhhhh BIG surprise.....
I´m still sure that the HP Protect Tools don´t work with BRCM chips!
Ask yourself two questions:
Why come all (my college has a NX9325 with IFXTPM1.2) of the HP/IFX machines with ACTIVATED TPM and INSTALLED HP Protect Tools?
Why is it challenging to install the BRCM drivers and why is NO Protect Tools CD shipped with the HP/BRCM machines or why is the software NOT preinstalled?
MAKE your own decision about the HP Broadcom TPM support!
A nice day to all!
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24601....from time to time Waves provider is down.
You can check it by tracing the route and see at what node it stops. Type in the DOS prompt:
tracert www.wave.com
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Snackman....I´m sure that we have an ETS for Vista, but wouldn´t it be great (and NECESSARY) to see a PR. If a multibillion dollar company PRs this fact, we should also do, or are we trying to avoid PR dilution?LOL
Sorry no offense here, but some things MUST be said, so the world can learn about, not only the WAVOIDS!
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Ridiculous!
Things take time!
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May1sep2......10Q mid of march...
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Embedded Trust Services module for secure key management
Security Builder® ETS™
Embedded Trust Services module for secure key management
Create a trusted platform for embedded devices using Security Builder ETS, an embedded trust services module which offers secure key storage, key management, and authentication services. The root of trust within a cryptographic system starts with a key, which needs to be accessed and stored securely.
Security Builder ETS provides the basis for a variety of trust services including:
secure boot
code signing
authentication
anti-cloning functionality
Together with other Certicom® Security Architecture™ products, this allows developers to seamlessly access trusted platform modules, digital certificates, secure protocols and other hardware-based cryptography and key management for stronger, faster security.
Read more about the key management, storage, and authentication features and benefits available from Security Builder ETS.
http://www.certicom.com/index.php?action=product,sbets
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Dell Optiplex 745C
http://software.uconn.edu/HuskyPCRecommendation.pdf
"Optiplex 745c
o To be released in February
o 1 Chassis Design (Minitower)
o Not a mainstream system
o Intel vPro compatibility"
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&sku=311-....
"....This reader has been tested and validated to work with your Dell™ Latitude™ D420/D620/D820 / OptiPlex™ 740/745/745c / Precision™ WorkStation M65/M90/390/490/690....."
BTW All ETSL models....
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Bill Gates and Craig Mundie Keynote at RSA Conference 2007: Advancing Trust in Today’s Connected World
http://www.microsoft.com/events/executives/billgates.mspx
February 6, 2007
8:15 a.m. PST / 11:15 a.m. EST
Webcast live from San Francisco, Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates and Chief Research & Strategy Officer Craig Mundie keynote the premier conference for information-technology security professionals. The two Microsoft leaders engage in an onstage dialogue about the challenges created for the security industry by pervasive Internet connectivity, and what Microsoft and the rest of the industry must do to protect customers and help them use technology to its fullest potential.
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Add Maxtor and you´ll get to 170M/EOM
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lugan....Thanx, great work!/e
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hnstabe....about 120 in 2006.
"Being the top-rated supplier of HDDs, Seagate Technology shipped nearly 29.5 million hard drives in Q1 2006..."
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/storage/display/20060728071926.html
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Ahead of the Bell: Information Security
Monday February 5, 6:59 am ET
Information Security Conference Kicks Off Week of Industry Gatherings in San Francisco
NEW YORK (AP) -- With news of hackers breaking into company transaction databases and other technology breaches ever more frequent, two security conferences in San Francisco this week are likely to generate extra attention.
The week starts off with the Americas Growth Capital Information Security Conference Monday.
The one-day event will feature panel discussions on database security, consumer risk management, secure messaging, threat management and other topics and feature speakers from both public and private companies.
Among the keynote speakers scheduled are Art Coviello, president of RSA, the security division of EMC Corp.; Jay Chaudhry, vice chairman and chief security officer for Secure Computing Corp.; Fred Amoroso, president and chief executive of Macrovision Corp., and Gene Hodges, president and chief executive of Websense Inc.
Representatives from EMC, Vasco Data Security International Inc., McAfee Inc., Aladdin Knowledge Systems Ltd., Citrix Systems Inc., CA Inc., Microsoft Corp., SonicWALL Inc., the TippingPoint division of 3Com Corp., GlobalSCAPE, Tumbleweed Communications Corp., ActivIdentity Corp., BMC Software Inc., VeriSign Inc. and Websense Inc. are scheduled to take part in the panel discussions.
The chief executives or other senior officers of the following public companies are also slated to make presentations: Entrust Inc., nCipher PLC, Diversinet Corp., hi/fn Inc., Wave Systems Corp. and Network Engines Inc.
The event takes place before the security industry's largest tradeshow, The RSA Conference 2007, which begins Monday night.
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Ramsey....it looks like there are different folders for different models.
1.2. and 1.3 are for the BRCM machines. Since I have no Protect tools CD the installation was chanceled so I could follow what would have happened.
I GUESS for the BRCM machines there is only a driver for the TPM without a TSS available, as it was in January when I bought a XW4400. There is no tcsd_win32.exe available or any reference to it in an ini or cfg file. I also searched several dlls with no result.
IMO HP doesn´t support the BRCM machines at the moment. (like months ago)
Well but to proof, I´ll have to sell a HP DC5700 to a customer, even we have stopped selling hardware years ago!LOL
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Scorpio......well I hope I´m not to far off. I guess my next customer will get a DC5700, so we can see what HP can offer...
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Infineon/HP...NOTHING has changed!
Well I downloaded the package available at the HP site and the only difference between NOW and a few month ago is that....
NOW
Every HP customers downloads the SAME file for TPM management.
The extracted files generate a folder with 4 subfolders on the machine.
1.swsetup
1.1. Protect Tools (empty, you need the CD) (0Bytes)
1.2. SP31876 (Broadcom NIC5752 TPM drivers) (27 files, extracted 1,36MB)
1.3. SP33156 (Broadcom NIC5755 TPM drivers) (7 files, extracted 4,50MB)
1.4. SP34714 (Infineon TPM drivers and Embedded security for HP Protect Tools setup) (785 files, extracted 206MB)
A few months ago
....there were different downloads for different models. As discussed then you got a 4,1MB file for HP dc7600, dc5700, dc5750 and xw4400, xw6400, xw8400, xw9400 machines.
Dependent on the machine you got
1.2. SP31876 (Broadcom NIC5752 TPM drivers) for machines with the 5752 Ethernet controller (i.e. DC7600, DC5700....)
OR
1.3. SP33156 (Broadcom NIC5755 TPM drivers) for the new HP workstations XW series.
OR
a 70MB file for the IFX machines which contains the TPM device drivers AND the installation package for the HP Embedded Security software
1.4. SP34714 (Infineon TPM drivers and Embedded security for HP Protect Tools setup)
NOW for easier handling HP made ONE download file which contains everything for all machines. I doubt, that the BRCM chips are supported by the Embedded security for HP Protect Tools!
I searched all folders for a sign for the NTRU TSS and found NOTHING!
This is all just my opinion and the result of the research of the download files, NOTHING MORE!
So IMVHO NOTHING has changed except a cosmetic, logistic update of the HP TPM drivers section!
Have a good sunday all!
BR
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DOMA/AWK...but but(LOL)
they talk about their server sides solution for years, we´ve already heard about it at SYSTEMS2005!
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Some extended thoughts on a slow weekend.......
I´d like to express my view of trusted computing, the players, the levels of competition and the momentary status of our little company Wave Systems in the wide TC field. For this purpose I´ll borrow the TRUST MATRIX from our great visionary ALEA. (I hope you don´t mind)
The successfull establishment of the Trust Matrix (Internet2) depends on the interaction between different technologies of different players on different levels.
We all here (with a few exceptions) are mixing up different technologies from companies and see therefore competition where no competition is.
The TRUST Matrix is establihed on several levels where competition exists horizontally and not (yet) vertically.
Level 1: Silicon
At the moment we know of 5(6, 7) players in this field. 4 of 5 are our friends.
Level 2: Drivers / TSS
There are two companies developing TSS for the TPMs
Level 3: Front end software to enable the TPM functionalities
We know of two.
Level 4: Enterprise wide applications local area level
Well here we are alone
Level 5: Webapplications and Service level
There is nobody there YET (except Wave with a few micro apps)
Level1/Level2:
5 players at level one share the market and compete with nearby the same product in a market where all customers know them to be HARDWARE manufacturers. So one company (IFX) decided to develop a small piece of software to get an advantage against the others, telling the customers (mobo) "Hey you´ll get our TPM with TSS and management software, so your customer(OEM) can offer a complete solution to his customer (enterprise or consumer)"
Well the other 4 were right sticking to their real job and leting NTRU and Wave do the software thingy, they don´t know about. The 4 just bought it. Same result!
Level3:
We all know about Waves and Infineons Client Sided solutions with nearby the same functionality, but we miss to consider something. Infineon sells their software to the OEM, but Waves sell a Lite version to the OEM and FURTHER a FULL package to the CUSTOMER (enterprise, consumer).
THATS the difference and THATS what SKS menas WHEN he says there is NO competition YET! Sure at level 1 IFX crabs potential customers (OEM) but at level 3 and level 4 they don´t even exist! IFX is KNOWN as a silicon manufacturing company with really good products, but the enterprise customer NEVER would ask Infineon for a SECURITY software.
Level4:
To adress level 4 in the market, its necessay to have a sales and trainee team which educates the IT profs in companies and the IT sales staff of the OEM. Further they have to offer CLIENT and SERVER sided solutions. We don´t know of ANY IFX Server package and Wave au contraire has 4 SERVER sided applications.
Well here we are, we have OEMs who are PUSHING Wave, partners who offer Wave solutions and our own sales staff and system integrators. HP pushes HP and nobody else, since they renamed the IFX suite in HP protect tools for the HP Embedded Security Chip 1.2, I think we all have learned that HP looks after HP.
The large OEM determin what will survive in the market and who.
Level5
Depends on the fully realised trusted matrix in place. We are not there yet, but we should know, that WITHOUT server sides software you´ll have NO chance at this level either!
So in the end I think we can agree, that IFX grabs millions of .4 deals from Wave, but NO 50-100$/per seat deals and no cent per transaction deals.
Be sure nobody of us is WRONG or RIGHT, we all have our different sights, some understand the technology better than others but at the end when we succeed it doesn´t count who was right or wrong! I would say AWKs argument is supported through the old relationship with IFX, but for me (and Doma) it looks a bit strange that for many months all the 1.2 BRCM TPMs were NOT supported on HP machines.
No matter if IFX works on NTRU or can only adress the BRCM core, they have no chance without server sided solutions as a silicon manufacturer.
Have a nice weekend all and don´t worry about others, we are sitting in the same boat here.
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Doma...Yep!
First competition occured, since IFX has to become profitable, they finally see the HUGE opportunity!
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