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This is inevitable its gonna keep dropping until earnings report and with the help of the shorties. Better pray the report is good cause if its bad its gonna be ugly. This stock is Not recommended for people with cardiac problems...
OHHHHH BOOBYYYYYYY, I wish it was the future now so you could see this post and realize how ridiculous it was....
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OH JERRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Do you not understand that some forms of dilution are actually very good!!!!!!!!! IN a S4V this case a dilution would put the company back where it was with US being almost majority again or at least back to where we were AND obtain the usage of billions of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ in assets.
Now would you rather have a company with 98 mill shares out that is for all intents about 2.7 bill in DEBT or would ya rather have a company with 150 mill shares out and say maybe 24-65 bill in assets????????????
I say as for myself I THINK the HEDGE FUNDS all 211 of them see this(COOP) as a BOBVIUOS CHOICE, since one has to understand they HOLD NO MARKERS!!!!!!!!!!!! So they are expecting something coming back here that IS LARGE and a lot LARGER than growing organically through servicing rights where they are paid 1/2 of a % in most cases.
So look at both scenarios and take your pick
98 mill shares and almost 3 bill in debt
150 mill shares with 24-65 bill in assets
Not ROCKET science now is it??????????
Plus unless ya sold you aint gonna owe taxes immediately in the same year of 20PLUS % but you still have that right if you so chose to lose
Is this just another lotto ticket gone to waste!!
I bet KKR and the hedgies are shorting POOP!!
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I don't buy the fact that shorts are increasing their positions to make money with coop stock... the shorting field is much more fertile in thousands of other stocks that have grown plump after 10 years of easy money at the fed window...look at the likes of Amazon yesterday with a double digit fall in price, as well as the rest of the FAANG stocks...these shorts with coop do so with impunity, knowing full well that they can move the price anyway they want to...this is an inside job, IMO to grab ALL SHARES FRM RETAIL INVESTORS WHOSE STOCK WAS GIVEN TO THEM BY THE BK JUDGE....normally, a company issues shares, the brokerage houses bid to sell them to the public, and then sell them... brokerage houses are the first in line to make money.. in this case, the brokerage houses were left out of the deal to be the first.....now they want those shares to sell to the public, just in time for the bk closure, the distribution of asset money, and the upcoming earnings report, and the boarding of 65 billion in new mortgage business...HOLD YOUR SHARES... ANYONE CAN SEE WHAT THESE MOFOS ARE DOING TO GET YOUR STOCK....Lodas
Support,$13.61 Shorts are having a Field Day!! Wonder if the big players involved with this stock are the first ones shorting it....
Common,let me have a fantastic Christmas this year!!
Well if they decided to have the court date earlier maybe a decision has been reached. I thought the stay was 21 days or later due to lawyer vacation??!!
I hope so I want this to be over!!
LOL there is no S4V I'm surprised that the idea still kicking around. Those assets need to be bought and the owners get cash, that's it folks. If you want more shares just buy them on the open market with your cash GO NUTS!! but dont think of sacrificing my cash to this piece of shiat stock by cheerleading for an S4V that will not happen..
Is it fair to call this the investment that keeps on losing my hard earn cash?!!
Darn,I'm losing money with POOP!!
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AZ your your narrative has always been the same from the beginning. Your critics and the whiners only see delays to what your central narrative will bring forward. And because they are weak and feel a need to throw their arms up flailing them and crying "where is our money" like Little women They failed to see the forest be on the trees I am successful in my own right and in 2009 to 2010 I gambled A significant portion of my net worth on this. Not because I was in the know in fact I was ignorant but went with my gut I would never do that today but I'm grateful I does not matter how this turns out -you always get something out of an exchange even if it's not what you initially intended but I consider myself extremely fortunate to have someone like you guiding us through this quagmire THANK YOU AZ
AZ this wait is killing me but I have just one question that is worrying me on my situation I rather have a one lump sum than a quarterly distribution. Do you think we get a quarterly distribution instead? I really hope not I want this to be over and my markers gone.
Sorry if this has been answered before!
You can go to college and get a PhD if you want to become a professor yourself in the meantime leave the analysis to the professionals.
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WITH ALL DO RESPECT AZ tends to speak like a professor...HE expects you to do your own homework and he gives you his lesson and then you have to find out if its law or Theory.
School up Regards,
B
AZ frankly I do not think an attorney will be able to help him on this one.
Lets all calm down and allow AZ to guide the way. Remember this funny accountant has not shown his face here in a long time maybe he was playing you....
Also be careful who you thank there are people who keep posting predictions every month and have never been right and pretend to know something noone else know maybe to show off who knows the fact is he is as clueless as your average peep....
Take care,
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LG, thank You,
that is the most important post from CBA09 I needed to my mosaic.
AZC, with all due respect, I appreciate Your work and DD,
however I think CBA09 is right at the receivership of the returns of SH.
Futmermore, if the AZC theory is right, then the PPS of COOP will be absolutely different than it is now.
Thank You, LG,
GLTA,
Martin
I think zeke is just high, too many dissapointments in his life...
Quote:Are we getting paid today? NOPE, NEVER TODAY ALWAYS TOMORROW.
Now to that add 365 days and multiply by 10 years!! Isn't that nuts. Now here is the kicker if one had taken at least 2 hours per day every day on a part time job at minimum wage of $7.25 x 7,300 hours = $53,000. A lot more than what we have gotten from all this saga throughout all this years. Isn't that IRONIC!!
Don't u think? It's like RAGE, Its a free ride when u already there...
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Do some of you here ever sleep?
Go Figure!!, after all these years some people still believe these silly predictions.. Human nature, foolishness, who knows!!..
On the other hand some choose to ignore the FDIC reporting they hold $0 money from WAMU and the WMILT reports less then 50M which amounts to nothing after litigation fees and millions of outstanding shares.
Now they put their hopes on safe harbor assets and performing trusts but again no one can say for sure if those assets exists or who the owners are with 100% certainty.
I have never seen rich people or people in power giving away free money especially hidden money that noone knows about and that has been shielded by the government.
This continues to be a game of hopes and dreams but hopefully this game will be over soon for better or worst.
One thing is for sure don't hold your breath on it and definately do not quit your day job!!
MUST READ!!
Well looks like the possibilities are endless...
S4V before merger, WRONG!!
S4V before RS, WRONG!!
S4V after RS, WRONG!!
S4V before every Halloween, WRONG AGAIN!!
phrasing it a little different won't help either
These predictions keep falling apart like a roll of standing dominoes
LMAO!!
Why would anyone want shares of this POS in exchange for assets.
Hand me my cash!!
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Large....IYO how do "YOU" see this play out....of COURSE IYO ONLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Diamondguru-one
I hear you!!, same story with WAMU
LET IT BE $30
I think it will keep crashing down until earnings report then if earnings are bad, its gonna get really ugly...
This was all expected by many here, Reverse splits are never good historically speaking
Yeah its gonna get worst before it gets any better. This is by far the worst stock I ever had since I started trading...
HOLY COW COTTON!! If true, they must be nuts to let that NOL go to waste, NO WAY..
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$640 B - $472 B Fresh start valuation adjustment = $168 B Lehman Brothers Successor Fresh Start asset value as of March 6, 2012
(($472 B - + $2 Professional Fees) - $250 B Gain on Settlement of liabilities subject to compromise) = $224 B NOLS
Post by CottonisKing over lehman CT's Quote:
Untangling tax reform: business losses and NOLs for corporate and noncorporate taxpayers
Authored by Paul Dillon and Michelle Hobbs
The legislation informally known as the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) limits the amount of net operating losses (NOLs) that can be utilized in a given tax year while allowing for an indefinite carryforward. Seen as another revenue-raiser to help pay for the corporate tax rate reduction, businesses, starting in 2018, can only use an NOL carryforward for up to 80 percent of computed taxable income. Not only does the TCJA change the NOL rules, it also imposes loss limitation rules on noncorporate taxpayers. This is a significant change from existing law and places new limitations, somewhat similar to the passive loss rules, on active business losses of individuals. The following continues our series updating you on the changes brought about by the TCJA.
Net operating losses
NOL limitations for post-2017 losses. The rules for NOLs arising in tax years beginning after Dec. 31, 2017, are modified such that a corporation’s NOL carryover can only offset 80 percent of taxable income without regard to the new section 199A deduction. However, these NOLs can now be carried forward indefinitely instead of limited to 20 years. Carrybacks of these losses are no longer permitted.
NOL limitations for pre-2018 losses. Rules for existing NOLs remain the same. These losses can be carried back two years and forward 20 years. There is no taxable income limit to usage of pre-2018 losses."
https://www.bakertilly.com/insights/untangling-tax-reform-business-losses-and-nols-for-corporate-and-noncorpora/
My family must think Im a dumbazz for waiting 10 years for this to be fruitful. But I'm still waiting for that day when I tell them "look at the result of my patience and ingenuity it paid off Big" but that day never comes....
What pisses me off the most about the R/S is that I thought having thousands of shares I was gonna make good money on future quaterly dividends now my share count is not very appealing....
Well since they have millions of shares they can potentially diluted us again down to 1 share if they wanted to. I have seen it happen in other bankrupt stocks.
No Im not selling just not buying anymore!!
If there is another recession and people stop paying their mortgages this company will go bankrupt in a blink of an eye. Are you guys ready to start all over again with a second bankruptcy and finally see your investment flush down the toilet...
I stopped putting money into this PIG..
That's an understatement they should have named the stock POOP since they are pooping shareholder's value away....
FREEFALL!! what a POS!! You see why I want CASH and not shares
AZ do you expect to find other plays after this one and or giving your input in other stocks. I ask because Im one of your followers. Or are you done for good with Ihub??
well you would not be the only one....
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Hey AZ, personal favor to ask:
Can you send me some way to contact you through a PM to me? I don't have an account here, so I can't send one to you.
Once this is all over, I'd like to stay in touch...
Thank you AZ, I just don't want to fall on my dreams from cloud nine, that's a long way down!!