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This was signed by Maciel (WMI CFO) on 12/19/08 .
12/19/2008 0812229-481 0477 Schedule of Assets and Liabilities for Washington Mutual, Inc.
http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229081219000000000011.pdf
"BIGDOGS" have been buying WMI bonds because they feel they are worth more than face value.
Why would someone pay 92 cents on the dollar for a WMI bond?
Because they feel that the bonds will be worth more than face. They are expecting new stock to be issued as payment for their debts, and they expect that new stock to appreciate in value.
Goooo WAMU.
It all depends on how the assets are revalued . Including intellectual property and other items, I would say that they will not be cancelling preferreds or commons, if you are talking about WMI.
I actually disagree. I think the bk ends when the judge approves a settlement from the FDIC years down the road. Fair value of WMB and the other banks needs to be paid, the bank creditors will get what they are owed, and anything in excess of what the WMB debt-holders paid by the FDIC will go to WMI imo. The rights of the bank creditors would come before the rights of the shareholders of the bank (aka WMI)and they will be paid. Geithner did not want to wipe out the bank creditors because he knew they would have to be dealt with.
They can't form a plan until the $4 billion is ruled on, nor can they get a plan approved by the judge that reorganizes before the FDIC suits are resolved. The outcomes of those cases very much affect the reorganization of WMI, imo.
Just keep telling yourself those 3 letters as long as it makes you feel better, and btw, I only posted that once here and once over there since the discussion came up again.
Actually, secured equity holders received warrants, if you read the details of the plan in that case.
Incorrect. I suggest you read this and then do some more digging.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=42486520
I suggest you follow the links and read the orders, plans, and other related documents in the cases referenced and other reorganizations.
Have a good weekend WaMuers !
Look at the # of shares sold in the SEC filing, look at the # of shares referenced in the article, and make an educated decision.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=42621044
He has no affiliation with WaMu or WAMUQ.
FORM 4 CALDWELL BARRY H WASTE MANAGEMENT INC [WM]
http://xml.10kwizard.com/filing_raw.php?repo=tenk&ipage=6556328
The staff writer that wrote http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=42620021 should be ashamed of himself.
Barry H. Caldwell = Senior Vice President, Government Affairs and Corporate Communications
Waste Management, Incorporated
Houston , TX
Sector: INDUSTRIAL GOODS / Waste Management
Officer since September 2002
imo, that is information regarding WM (used to be Washington Mutual and is now Waste Management (WMI)and the transfer of data is inaccurate, unless he told his broker to buy $XXXXXX amount of WM and he/she bought him WAMUQ instead of WM.
http://people.forbes.com/profile/barry-h-caldwell/85523
Look at the news and discussions under symbol WM.
http://www.streetinsider.com/stock_lookup.php?q=WM
Goldman Magic ?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31510813/#33346455
Now would be the worst time to sell.
South Carolina State University, Penn Center, and the Williamsburg County Development Board wouldn't do business with Sentinel Renewable Energy (owned by SYNJ) if they were a "scam" company.
"The article reports that the university is seeking a $25 million federal
stimulus DOE grant to produce biofuel and will be the lead organization in a
consortium, along with the Penn Center, the Williamsburg County Development
Board and Sentinel Renewable Energy. As quoted in the article, "The sky is the
limit," interim Vice President of Research and Economic Development Dr.
Leonard McIntyre says."
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS120886+06-Oct-2009+PRN20091006
SC State seeking research status, more grants
http://www.scsu.edu/news_article.aspx?news_id=846
Not sure. Happens a lot on the pinks. Maybe they buy them (collect the commission from the seller) and then immediately sell them (collect the commission from the buyer) for the same price they purchased them at.
That's what I would do.
NITE has been waiting for these .0009s since 12:31:20 .
The JP Morgan Effect
By Bill Bonner
10/15/09 London, England
http://dailyreckoning.com/the-jp-morgan-effect/
"What a marvelous flimflam! So obvious…and yet so effective! It’s a pleasure to watch.
Yesterday, the Dow soared over they 10,000 mark. If it keeps going at this rate – up 144 points yesterday – it will soon equal the post-’29 bounce. All we need is two more days and we’re there.
Oil rose over $75. Gold closed the day at $1,064, after a big move to the upside over the last few days. And the dollar fell – to just $1.49 per euro.
The reason for yesterday’s big move is announced on the front page of almost every financial rag this morning:
“JPMorgan profits lift the Dow.”
JPMorgan, the Wall Street firm that was bailed out by the feds a year ago, reported income of $3.6 billion in the 3rd quarter. With that kind of profit in the financial sector, it won’t be long before the whole economy is running red hot, right?
That’s what the papers seem to think. The International Herald Tribune says the bank’s profits are just another sign that a major recovery is underway. Investors seem to believe it, too. “Earnings optimism,” is behind the buying, says a broker.
But is it true? Is the real economy growing, expanding, and making money? Let’s look:
“Still on the job, at half the pay,” is a headline in The New York Times. It tells the story of an airline pilot whose position has been downgraded and whose pay has been cut in half. The fellow is now earning $30,000 a year rather than $60,000. He is not counted in the unemployment statistics but he has much less spending power than he had a year ago. Practically all his discretionary spending power has been wiped out.
The NYT:
“The Bureau of Labor Statistics does not track pay cuts, but it suggests they are reflected in the steep decline of another statistic: total weekly pay for production workers, pilots among them, representing 80 percent of the work force. That index has fallen for nine consecutive months, an unprecedented string over the 44 years the bureau has calculated weekly pay, capturing the large number of people out of work, those working fewer hours and those whose wages have been cut. The old record was a two-month decline, during the 1981-1982 recession.
“What this means,” said Thomas J. Nardone, an assistant commissioner at the bureau, “is that the amount of money people are paid has taken a big hit; not just those who have lost their jobs, but those who are still employed.”
All over the country incomes are falling. Officially, about 15 million people have no jobs. Many others have given up looking for jobs. And now, for the first time ever, more than half of those who lose their jobs run out of unemployment benefits before they find another one. Many others never get any benefits at all, because their jobs are not eliminated, they are merely cut back…either in the number of hours they can work or in the compensation itself.
Yesterday, we reported that Baby Boomers are actually working longer hours…but earning less. The boomers are in an especially tight spot. They’ve got only a few years to save money for their retirements…and it won’t be easy in this slumpy economy.
And we reported the plight of the callow youths…whom BusinessWeek has called the “Lost Generation.” Their unemployment rate is twice the national average. They’re at the bottom of the labor pool, and unless the economy begins to expand they’ll have a very hard time finding the bottom rung of the ladder.
Take all the people who are unemployed…who are working fewer hours…who have given up looking for work…whose positions have been downgraded…and add the family members who depend on them for their daily bread…and you have nearly a quarter of the population. How can companies expect to increase sales and profits with a quarter of the population forced to cut back severely?
They can’t. The earnings numbers are misleading. Most of the earnings that we’ve seen come from cost cutting, not growing top-line sales. How do businesses cut costs? By trimming employees! In other words, the earnings figures we’re seeing are contributing to the slump…not alleviating it.
You can see how, in the short run this can lead to increased profits. But it can’t go on for long. The more businesses cut costs the more their sales go down, because consumers (who are also their employees) have less money to spend.
And according to a Wall Street Journal report, with too much capacity…and falling sales, businesses “are hesitant to reinvest such profits into their businesses.”
That’s why business investment, as we reported two days ago, is falling even faster than sales. And it’s why people who are looking for a job are going to have a hard time finding one.
How did JPMorgan earn so much money in such a bad economy?
We begin with a bit of skepticism. After all, we know consumers aren’t borrowing. Consumer credit is going down. So they can’t be making money there. And we know businesses aren’t expanding, so they can’t be making money by lending to corporations either.
Wait a minute. JPMorgan is a bank, right? Don’t banks make money by lending money? Yes…that’s what we thought. Then who is JPMorgan lending to?
The only net borrower is the government.
The Financial Times confirms that Morgan’s “US consumer businesses continued to bleed, with its credit card unit losing $700 million in the quarter and its retail bank…barely breaking even.” It wrote off $7 billion in uncollectible consumer loans – more than twice as much as last year.
Its mortgage group lost money too. And it surely didn’t make any money helping US business build new factories and expand payrolls.
So what does that leave? All the components of the business that have to do with the real economy are losing money or barely breaking even. What’s left?
The news reports attribute the huge profits to “trading.” But trading is a broad category. And our guess is that if you look more closely you will find that JPMorgan made its money the old fashioned way – by ripping off the government.
‘You mean, JPMorgan took the feds’ money and now is showing huge profits because it is just lending money back to the people they got it from? ‘
Yes. But not only that. They’re also probably speculating on gold, oil and stocks…along with everyone else. The feds’ money has pushed all these speculative trades into profit.
‘And now, they’re going to pay themselves big bonuses, aren’t they?’
Yes. The papers tell us, “bonuses explode on Wall Street to a new record.”
‘So, then…when the next crisis comes…they won’t have any money in the banks, will they?’
Nope.
‘So they’ll have to get bailed out again.’
Yep.
‘But maybe the next time the feds will wise up and just let them go broke.’
Not a chance. Wall Street has plenty of friends in the highest places in Washington. A report in today’s media tells us that “Geithner Aides Reaped Millions Working for Banks, Hedge Funds.” The aides earn about $150,000 for their government work. On the side, they advise the financial firms they’re supposed to be regulating, and get paid millions.
Such a nice relationship. They make sure Wall Street prospers – even when it does stupid things. Wall Street makes sure they prosper – even when they advise the government to do stupid things. And when their gig is over in Washington they go back to Wall Street where they earn millions more. America’s centers of political and financial power have a cozy little game going. It won’t end any time soon. It’s too profitable for both of them.
Until tomorrow,
Bill Bonner
The Daily Reckoning"
They'll be doing better than they are now once there are HealthCare dollars being given out to enhance technologies and services within the medical field.
Probably not, but Lewis stepping down definitely opens up the possibility of gaining knowledge about the roles certain individuals played, so I think Lewis stepping down is a good thing as it relates to the possibility of a final resolution that resembles justice.
Good point, especially when you figure out the actual present value of an estimated future amount, and throw in inflation that is inevitable, and you have a pretty ugly situation on your hands. Oh yeah, but don't worry, the commercial real estate crash won't be as bad as people think it will be, lol.
.0008 looks like it's it.
That is the support on the chart, and they tried breaking through and couldn't do it.
There were 4 MMs on the bid at .0009 yesterday, .009 x .001 , and 25 M went off at .0008 under the bid. .0009s went through for a while, and then they dropped it to .0008 x .0009 .
I guess just keep watching it, and/or get an order in . If it really does fall below .0008, it's gonna be one of those quick dips that only benefits those that either already have a low order in, or those that watch it all day/everyday.
The CEO is a moron, but the guy who is really in charge is the right guy for the job. Also, there isn't even a possibility of it being a scam, as their relationships with SCSU, Methes, and other organizations are real.
Buy 'em when they're ugly.
Whoever DOMS is buying for sure is loading up.
They sucked up .0008s like all day yesterday, and their order is still the first one up and looks like he just got another 20 million.
Hopefully the DOJ, FBI, and others will continue their investigations into that little weasel Bernanke, and others, for their role in BAC's "deal" and other "deals" they were involved with.
I personally think Paulson will be dead before all of the wrongdoings are fully investigated, but Bernanke looks like he's in better shape, so hopefully we can get him behind bars before he is an old man.
I don't have any shares either, and I've been waiting for it to go back to at most $12-$14 before I play it again.
The #s don't add up, and the stock is way overpriced. WFC is way overpriced as well.
If you want to own any of these big names, I'd go with USB. Their #s are way better than the others and their stock is underpriced and has more upside than the others imo.
They get billions from the Govt and still can't even make a profit.
Unreal.
This is way, way, way overvauled at $17, and since there were not profits, it is trading like 1000 times earnings, hahaha.
It's gonna get ugly imo.
That's what I like to hear.
It's just about time. They tried to break the 8s again today but couldn't do it.
Way oversold, and look at the 180-day accumulation. Top of the charts.
The shareholders do not own the company, they are not in control, and they have absolutely no say with regards to anything about WAMUQ right now. The shareholders used to own the old company. As it stands, all shareholders own are shares trading at .20 that represent the bankrupt company they used to own. The creditors will be the new shareholders of the new, restructured company, unless WMI wants to give away all of their cash (which won't happen).
Last post of the day..........
False. The creditors own the company. There is no equity at this time, hence no Equity Committee or representation. If the judge ever rules that the $4 billion is WMIs, then there still won't be any equity.
Please keep in mind that TPG lost their protection of their investment, and that does not mean that the rest of the shares are now somehow protected because of them losing their protection.
Totally.
Someone just got 25 Million shares under the bid at .0008 . 9M, 9M, and 7 M . Bid stayed at .0009 but someone got some down there.
I am well aware of the trading order, and TPG DID NOT BUY MORE SHARES.
To say that TPG added shares to the 230M they ALREADY HAD is simply untrue.
"thought you could only own 4.25% due to restriction?"
Thought wrong.
That is just one of their funds.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKLNE52J03I20090320
Their investment was spread out over 3 funds.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKN2631351920080926
Make your own decisions as to what you think did/did not, will/will not happen.
For exact info regarding their transactions, go to www.secinfo.com instead of only reading articles, as there can be discrepancies in articles, as I'm sure you already know.
The only reason you are on equal ground with TPG is because they gave up their protection rights.
They are still holding the shares that were restricted. They have not been buying more.
Simple as that.
88 and 89 ( not 99)
If you aren't concerned about requests to remove the restrictive legend on restricted stocks, then I would think again about what this means.
Follow the money, as they like to say here.
Nice. I was just about to tell you that hopefully you took a .10/share free gainer. Nice call!
Gotta get going for the day........
What do you make of the bottom half of page 88 and the first half of page 99 ?
Now who could possibly have been inquiring about the removal of the restrictive legend. It starts on page 88 " ATTENT TO REQUEST FOR REMOVAL OF RESTRICTIVE LEGEND"
Eighth Monthly Application of Weil, Gotshal & Manges LLP, as Attorneys for the Debtors, for Allowance of Compensation for Professional Services Rendered and for Reimbursement of Actual and Necessary Expenses Incurred from July 1, 2009 Through July 31, 2009
http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229091002000000000005.pdf
(pages 75-77 are interesting too)
They REALIZED the LOSS.
"JPMorgan appears to be the biggest winner from the deal. Although it is immediately writing off $31 billion of the value of WaMu’s $176 billion mortgage-asset portfolio – and planning an $8 billion capital raising to offset these losses – the bank is getting a business it has long coveted. JPMorgan offered $4 a share, or about $7 billion, for WaMu in March and was rebuffed. This was before the full extent of the group’s woes came to light and translated into by far the biggest banking failure in US history."
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article4833529.ece
So you don't think that my response to climberprof had any value at all regarding TPGs past transactions regarding WaMu?
Also, Tosca sold, and ABIGHAMMER very well might be the 3rd largest holder of WAMUQ, and that doesn't worry you at all?
(no offense HAMMER, I know if TPG gets paid you get paid)
Because they want $$$$$ from the FDIC.