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their cost of revenue has continued to decline on a proportional basis the last 5 quarters. if it remains the same proportionally - and there was no significant uptick in SG&A - I think we should see their first positive quarter. they have 2 years of losses to write off against future earnings which will help the net income figure going forward.
they are definitely getting traction in the markets they are advertising in and word of mouth seems to be spreading. it still is not widely or readily available in my area but people in the industry do know about it. i have heard "yeah - isnt that the $10 Vodka that is supposed to be really good?" several times when asking bartenders or package shop/liquor store owners where i travel (Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky). I just started following this about a month ago and heard about it down in Florida on a trip down there where it is widely available.
i have been buying since $0.50. i continue to buy as it pulls back. however, my gut tells me we will see a jump over $1 if i am close on the bottom line numbers to be reported by the end of the month.
Only 13K shares traded with a float of 5.78MM. That really isnt dumping.
With over $2MM in revenues preannounced - that should give them close to $1MM in GP or over if the ratio stays the same as last quarter on tbe cost of revenue. If SG &A stays even at $875 or continues to decrease as it has the past 5 quarters - that could give them net income in the $200-400k range for the quarter. On a forward basis - that is close to $1MM in earnings a year and that would give $0.035. EPS. Give them a growth multiple of 40 based on exponetial I creases in top line and that puts stock at $1.40. If they do closer to $3MM in the current quarter or even $4 - that multiple could go to 60 or 80.
Hoping to see positive net income on tbe quarter and strong guidance going forward
Need to see if bottom line is improving with the same success as the top line. Their legal/admin expenses should be dropping and their sales and marketing will be flat to increasing as they continue to roll out.
Hopefully that will be reflected in the filing
Need to see if bottom line is improving with the same success as the top line. Their legal/admin expenses should be dropping and their sales and marketing will be flat to increasing as they continue to roll out.
Hopefully that will be reflected in the filing
anyone able to attend the show? they have another show announced today in India following the san fran show.
i will check back in several weeks
i have had a long stretch at home away from the travel but heading back out for several weeks. i will check back then and see how many of you are still here/holding shares. my guess is most on here will have moved on at that point.
it isnt spin.
fear and greed drive emotions. how emotions coincide with due diligence, risk tolerance, investment horizon, and preservation of capital influence buying decisions.
well your reply pretty much validates my post. either you have nothing to refute it with concerning the long term viability of PSWS or it is incomprehensible. i understand that. years ago i ran across a guy that was the same way. i could not understand why they would take the time. but, as i better understood the markets, i learned more (like most) from the mistakes and really became much better at DD due to those mistakes and realizing all of the ways companies can hide the plain truth right before ones eyes through the use of convenient verbiage. i argued with that guy back then about noone spending the time and eventually understood.
as far as the market disagreeing with me - that is trading volume. not investing volume (at least not with respect to long term investing).
2.5MM shares have been traded today. that is $3000 worth of stock. $3000 worth of stock on how many trades...? that is volume by day traders looking to make $25-50 a trade. not long term investors. again - $3000. that is NOT the market talking.
when you guys are here a month or two from now still holding positions - then you can tell me you told me so and tell me how wrong i was about the long term prospects of PSWS.
in the meantime - trade the pennies and make your $100 on a trade. just dont try to BS anyone on how great this company is.
>over $45MM in investors money spent and only $300K in revenues over the life of the company basically around 2 sales. try finding someone to discuss either sale at the customer site.
>over $5MM in debt that is past due
>less than $150K in inventory (not even one machine to sell)
>1.5BB shares authorized
>company refuses to provide any numbers or guidance with the alliance.
i have yet to see one post on this board discussing the actual merit of the company's financial position, history, cash position, ability to finance the deal, etc.
again - as a trading position. good luck. long term doesn't matter. but dont claim the market doesnt agree when $3K worth of stock has been traded.
i dont have a problem with people using this as a short term play. but to insinuate that there is real value here or that this company "is going places" when the cash position, the leveraged out stock, and the consistent history of going nowhere all suggest otherwise - i take exception to.
if it is a short term play - say so. give your expectations based on momentum /TA/etc. but dont suggest this company is going to be the next google. i do take exception to that and it is my prerogative to counter with the facts, numbers, and history of failures.
like what...?
lets say i am wrong about the technology and it does have significant market appeal/viability. further, lets say both of these entities in the PR are legit and neither is being played.
Puresafe is dead broke. they have zero leverage. they are fundamentally insolvent. and their stock has been leveraged out.
where does that leave long term shareholders? not traders or momentum players who started getting in on the bandwagon on the pump around $0.002/share. where is the long term return?
do you think either of the entities in the announcement are going to work for free or just donate their time...? Puresafe has no cash to pay them (they can't even pay their interest or dividends on their loans/debt instruments). so they have to pay in shares.
since we just saw this go from $0.002 to $0.02 and back to $0.005 in about a week - what price will they accept to ensure they have a reasonable level of risk of being able to make money on those shares in return for their "considerable resources" they are putting in to the effort?
so - what are the big things? and if you know - then the company should know. and if the company knows - why are they not promoting them?
i thought it was a quote from Puresafe management on what the terms of the alliance was with respect to how the company was going to pay for the considerable engineering and marketing services.
or what the price per share was on those 1.5BB shares authorized.
thanks for the responses. these stocks are generally not in my wheelhouse but i do have some background in that industry with respect to product placement. if they hit that "sweet spot" where they get the audience that wants a backlash at the expensive brand names - they will win big. kind of like Wrangler did when they relaunched and went after "big label" jeans that offered nothing but a high price tag. i really like their advertising. it is edgy. it gets noticed. and if it compels potential investors to look further like i did - i think they can ride their strategy far.
unfortunately - the investment now is based on those assumptions and the reputation/history/track record of success of those driving the brands.
i will continue to seek out those responses and see if the strategy is hitting home. i am checking on the chicago market now.
I was about 25% of the volume today. Once the spread narrowed and the BID Increased I started picking off at the ASK.
I think Ma is completely genuine on the buying. The R&R around insider buying and company buybacks is simply insane and overwhelming. He referenced me thru their legal counsel to the documentation and I never made it all the way through. It is extremely more complicated then it was 15 years ago when I last really went throught it. The company buyback isnt going to happen unless volume substantially increases. However, once that happens - it probably wont be necessary at least not to the degree now.
The personal buying is not straoghtforward either. Even a salary deferral changes dramaticallyfor a small company an insiders. Every event they are waiting on is material to this stock. They cant start or end in between events without exposure. If you heard Ma answer that question on the online presentation - it was one of the few times his voice really changed. There was a natural inflection that showed real tension. I may be reading too much into it but it is consistent with what I have read and understand. So - I do take his word for it.
If you look at where most of the volume was prior to the run to $0.74 - it was considerably higher than where we are today which is a good sign.
I also feel we are on the verge of a reversal/run (or else I wouldnt be buying aggressively). I dont see $2-3 unless there is major, major CMS changes in preferential class for angina and CHF combined with a dedicated uptick in EECP sales domestically. I can see tbis running over $1 on a very strong quarter but dont see it holding. If the volume/price rises slowly and steadily and we continue to attract long term holders - than it might hold. However, I think we will likely see another spike and drop. Really will depend on what type of voluke we see leading up to earnings.
Typical.
No one disputes the universal, world demand for clean water. There are hundreds if not thousands of companies working on a viable solution for emergency and long term solutions.
However, this company has done nothing to forward its product or sales after 15 years and $45MM+ of investors' money. They have had these alliances before and nothing comes of them and no mention of why or what went wrong. When trying to contact these past individuals, one either gets "no comment" or they are not allowed to discuss the details of the separation.
Point me to one of the individuals in this company's past that is willing to openly discuss one of the past partnerships. Just one.
For the sake of debate - lets say this partnership works out. Where does that leave long term shareholders when the company releases those extra 1.5BB shares below $0.003 or lower?
I have said this is a trading play but not a long term investment.
I also said the price would tank after they released the PR.
There is no support behind the volume since and there is no follow up from the company on what those "significant resources" are.
DD starts with the history of PSWS, the current mgmt, and past strategies and performance. That all leads to very suspect assumptions to any new alliances regardless of the apparent legitimacy of those entities. Until the company answers the financial arrangements, the rest is a moot point as PSWS has no cash to fund operations and the stock price has no leverage to provide favorable returns for long term shareholders.
Copying and pasting past PRs, company websites, or articles on the need for pure water does not address the suitability or viability of Puresafe in the marketplace. Only provides hope to naive "investors" that they found a diamond in the rough or the next Microsoft and distracts them from examing the numbers and financial situation surrounding the company.
i have done significant DD on both entities and google provides limited information on either. i have detailed that DD in prior posts. both of them removed for somehow violating TOU. GEM seems to be operating out of a private residence in boca raton, fl and the other is a subsidary that seems to be tied to mostly to a magnet supplier.
what are the significant resources?
when will this result in sales/earnings for PSWS?
why is this alliance different than all the past alliances from "reputable companies" and those who would not get involved with PSWS if they weren't legit?
what are the terms for compensation/partnership for the two entities? since PSWS is financially defunct - what is in it for the two companies and to what detriment of current PSWS shareholders?
price has tanked ever since the PR and the volume has been all on the ASK side. hard to argue this is not a P&D based on the timing of events and subsequent reversal.
thanks for the response. couple of questions if you dont mind:
how did you first hear about it? advertising? friend? bartender/server?
where did you first have it? (city/state)
what type of establishment?
do you drink it straight or mixed?
was it being "pushed" or "promoted" by the establishment or did they suggest it when you asked about what they had?
did you have it before or after you became an investor/interested in the stock? how did the taste/value compel you to invest or consider investing after trying it?
just want to understand how the promotion push through the company is being translated to the end user. thanks for the time and answers.
what is "strong" about the latest PR?
i have followed this company a long time and they have had numerous PRs over the years announcing these types of alliances, partnerships, distribution agreements, etc and have never had a single sale come from them (the Alaskan sale was loosely tied to an alliance but it was done through a third party and no one at the VA office seems to know anything about this purchase even when referencing the government code/tracking number available as public information).
what do you consider strong about the announcement? are you concerned with the lack of specifics on what the "significant resources" the other entities are contributing to the alliance? or the lack of guiadance on the top and bottom line expectations for this agreement? or how the short term, past due debt will be handled relatively to investment on production of new machines?
i just came across this company a little while ago and started buying the last couple of days. like the story. think they have approached the market the right way and in a focused, cost controlled fashion. like the financing and it seemed fair and reasonable with minimal diultion. float is small, mgmt is vested, and Dale has a track record in this industry. they announced they expected 4Q12 to be significantly approved due to change in production distilleries.
however - i am not a vodka drinker nor in NY or MIami where they launched. anyone here can verify claims of the product quality/premium compared to the top shelf brands they are gunning for at $30+ per bottle? i have read over 100 independent reviews online and they seem to be consistent with the company message and after that many - it is highly unlikely they are all paid reviews.
i am going to start looking for it in the areas i regularly cover (MI, IN, OH, KY, IL) and see if what the local shops/bartenders are saying about it.
if anyone can jumpstart that side of the DD for me - i would appreciate it.
you can look up my post and bocamp's notes on the presentation on the yahoo board.
key messages:
rios agreement - they are evaluating effectiveness and putting together a strategy going forward. they are waiting on a decision on an appeal from 12/12
their goal is to sell 10-15K machines/year. i did not hear this but i did miss a couple minutes of the presentation here and there. this is a rather BOLD statement by Dr. Ma as he is overly conservative.
they wanted to focus on cost advantage of EECP over invasive alternatives as a benefit from a cost perspective to Medicare/Medicaid (this is critical for acceptance and "paradigm change" with CMS)
on insider buying - Dr. Ma expressed frustration that he has not been able to buy and is waiting to be able to. very limited buying windows since there are numerous "material events" going on at any one time.
if you havent seen the presentation - it is still available. s ome good info on how they view the competitive market and their expectations with GEHC going forward. they are looking at other complementary agreements right now.
i tend to post in waves and not necessarily consistently. i post on yahoo and RB on and off under the same nic.
feel free to copy and paste any of the past posts on here.
we are also finally starting to see volume come alive in the last two weeks. nothing cataclysmic but starting to see 100K days again. still only $17-19K worth of stock being traded but the volume surge usually precedes the price surge.
again, hoping the quarterly/year end earnings finally lifts this out of this range permanently.
need some big investors with strong hands to start taking an active interest. that is what the IR group is here for. hasnt been any real reaction since the presentation but maybe there is some coordinated transfers taking place and thus the diminished selling on the open market.
anyone left from this time last year?
just curious if those posting around this time last year are still holding or moved on. for the first time in a long time, i do not see any large offers on the ASK and the $0.20 range is starting to fill up. may be nothing or could be the large seller(s) have finally been depleted.
4Q results should be out by the end of March and they should be solid based on GEHC numbers being backloaded and the last three quarters showing positive grown on the equipment side. if that trend continues - this should be a record quarter and record year for VASO on the top and bottom line. hopefully that will be enough to finally drag the stock out of that $0.18 range we have been mired in for the last 6 months with a dedicated seller
sunny - welcome back. i think you started posting on the Yahoo board again as well. i also spoke with a guy at the new IR group and got similar impressions. he was professional, knew the boundaries of what could and couldnt be said (and how to deflect questions that were set up to pry), and was focused on the promotion side of the business to new investors on the private equity side. i posted my Q&A and responses on the yahoo and RG board.
the latest online presentation was a result of the IR group. i was on the presentation. not a lot of people were shown in the attendees (i think there were 80-90) and hard telling who some of them were. i tried copying and pasting the names but was not able and doing a screen shot didnt work as you had to scroll down to see them all. i started typing them and googling them to see if they were with investment firms, analysts, private equity, etc. however, i started too late and only got about 8 or 9 names and three of them were analysts. others did not reveal anything interesting on google.
i havent followed up with the guy yet since the online presentation but will next week when i get back from vacation
Anyone able to track down shares from MobilePro and where they ended up? Anyone have any non published info on the bio/resume for tbe new VP of Sales? Almkst nothing sinve he has been hired.
I am getting private messages haranging me for staying on topic. I havent been told what that topic is since no one seems to want to discuss the specifics of the company, past history, mgmt compensation, failed alliances, etc.
Please tell me what the topic is here so I can stay on topic.
Please inform me where the guidance is from the company concerning future revenues from this latest alliance.
Please inform me past the TA references how this stock justifies $0.02 let alone $0.04 a share. I posted how it couldnt support $0.08 a share with 150MM shares unless they sold 100 machines a year and my post was flagged for being off topic.
Please someone debate the metrics of the company and not the charts.
Or continue to flag and keep the tight knit group of promoters intact and unencumbered.
Head fake.
The dump continues. TL awarded himself a chunck at $0.003 and he needs your help to unload them.
When this stock had a $25MM market cap and trading in the $0.20 range - they only had about 190MM shares out and were still able to sell wsrrants and get a reasonable price on thier convertible options. Now they have 590MM outstanding and 2BB authorized. They have ovrr $5BB in debt past due and most of that is convertible into below market shares. The proble now is there is no longer a market for those shares and the original note holders are not converting and want their interest in cash.
This last PR was an attempt to provide volume/churn to be able to dump the 1.5BB into the market to provide liquidity. I realize that is in conflict with the narrative on this thread that this is an unknown gem or has been oversold. However, if you look through the last 4-5 years of annual reports and filings, you will understand the big picture.
CEO controls voting rights.
The two employees (CEO and CFO) have been raking in over $1MM / Year in compensation, and only one of their sales has remained on their balance sheet. The other was not paid for and the third the original deposit was returned with shares instead of cash (ponzi...?). The "sale" to Alaska went through a third party and no one up there seems to knkw anything about the machine or is willing to talk about the purchase (call the VA and ask).
I am sure we will see one more small surge here before the traders move on but there is kothing behind the company. They do n ot have enough inventory to complete one machine and they af e drowning in debt.
In thag scenario of no real sales, crushing debt, no voting rights - who in their right mind invests with current structure instead of buying out of BK...?
what news?!
financing...? facing down another 1.5BB shares or diluting the current by 300%.
financing (if it comes which i do not think it will) is not going to be at the current pumped up price of $0.006. it will be between $0.0006 and $0.001 based on price/volume prior to this run.
if they do all 1.5BB at $0.001 - that is only $1.5MM of cash and in their last filing they state they are trying to raise $5MM for operations (of course they have been saying the exact same thing for 4 years in the filings). $1.5MM doesnt even pay off the short term obligations past due. if they use it ALL for inventory - that is only 12 machines assuming they do not pay for anything else.
it would have taken 100 machines a year at $250K selling rpice and 100% GM to justify $0.08/share.
what would 12 machines do?
only financing will be from an entity that is immediately going to flip shares. there is NO long term financing available. anyone wanting a serious position will just wait to buy out of bankruptcy.
there is NO market for this machine as history has made painfully obvious.
Trying to figure out what PSWS does...?
Nothing. This is nothing but rampant pumping on this board. This company has "sold" two machines in its entire existence and neither of those "sales" have been able to be traced for validity. From their balance sheet - only one has been "paid" for and the other one does not show up.
I posted the following earlier. It sums up the company. Do your own due diligence to validate what I posted. Their is NOTHING to this company but $5MM+ in debt, massive dilution coming assuming they can even get someone to provide death spiral financing, and a history of engorgement by management.
Any of you doing due diligence on this?!?
If any of you have done ANY DD and are still thinking this is anything but a very short trade, yu better keep smokin. I ran numbers on this (see them on the Yahoo board) back when this was $0.08 a share (that is $0.08 - not $0.008) and they needed to see 100 machines PER YEAR just to justify $0.08 a share based on the share count at that time. They havr only had two suspect sales, over $5MM in accrued debt, $2BB shares authorized, and the CEO has sole voting authority. Look at the total compensation the mgmt has received over the years with ZERO results. $500K-$$1MM a year when the company is bleeding cash and has that much accrued debt...?! That is not a vision of success. That is bleeding the company dry to milk what you can before it runs dry.
In order to raise cash - any takers are going to want a monster premium since the stock is dying and based on other similar death spiral financing terms, the price on any offer would more than likely be $0.0006. Further, that still doesnt even raise enough cash to pay off the accumulated debt that is due let alone provide capital to build enough machines to turn a profit.
Long story short - this was a perpetuated scam in a "hot" industry (look at CEO's track record and time at CPCF for a similar story stock and ridiculous compensation with zero performance). The stock was always fueled by hope and speculation and shareholders never paid attention to fundamentals nor the ridiculous compensation mgmt bestowed upon themselves. To see posters talking about this "taking off" is just ludicrous. There is NOTHING to this company(look at the balance sheet and inventories - not enought parts in inventory to make a machine let alone cash to build more).
Any serious investor would be better served buying out of bankruptcy where they have full control over the company. Why invest now when you have no voting rights, a history of mismangement and possible conversion, and no revenue? It isnt going to happen. There is no pipeline of products or sales. The Alaskan sale went through several parties and there is no one up there in that office that purchased the machine that seems to know what it is or where it is (call and ask - you can find the info online with a google search). The second sales to the "oil and gas" industry is equally elusive. Unlike the Alaskan sale which was a government entity and should be public information - the other one was not.
Filtering water is not rocket science. It is a matter of physics and space. Doing it in a small, confined space, off the grid (including diesel) would be revolutionary. Their system does neither.
If you disagree - challenge the numbers...
Any of you doing due diligence on this?!?
If any of you have done ANY DD and are still thinking this is anything but a very short trade, yu better keep smokin. I ran numbers on this (see them on the Yahoo board) back when this was $0.08 a share (that is $0.08 - not $0.008) and they needed to see 100 machines PER YEAR just to justify $0.08 a share based on the share count at that time. They havr only had two suspect sales, over $5MM in accrued debt, $2BB shares authorized, and the CEO has sole voting authority. Look at the total compensation the mgmt has received over the years with ZERO results. $500K-$$1MM a year when the company is bleeding cash and has that much accrued debt...?! That is not a vision of success. That is bleeding the company dry to milk what you can before it runs dry.
In order to raise cash - any takers are going to want a monster premium since the stock is dying and based on other similar death spiral financing terms, the price on any offer would more than likely be $0.0006. Further, that still doesnt even raise enough cash to pay off the accumulated debt that is due let alone provide capital to build enough machines to turn a profit.
Long story short - this was a perpetuated scam in a "hot" industry (look at CEO's track record and time at CPCF for a similar story stock and ridiculous compensation with zero performance). The stock was always fueled by hope and speculation and shareholders never paid attention to fundamentals nor the ridiculous compensation mgmt bestowed upon themselves. To see posters talking about this "taking off" is just ludicrous. There is NOTHING to this company(look at the balance sheet and inventories - not enought parts in inventory to make a machine let alone cash to build more).
Any serious investor would be better served buying out of bankruptcy where they have full control over the company. Why invest now when you have no voting rights, a history of mismangement and possible conversion, and no revenue? It isnt going to happen. There is no pipeline of products or sales. The Alaskan sale went through several parties and there is no one up there in that office that purchased the machine that seems to know what it is or where it is (call and ask - you can find the info online with a google search). The second sales to the "oil and gas" industry is equally elusive. Unlike the Alaskan sale which was a government entity and should be public information - the other one was not.
Filtering water is not rocket science. It is a matter of physics and space. Doing it in a small, confined space, off the grid (including diesel) would be revolutionary. Their system does neither.
If you disagree - challenge the numbers...
BOD meeting was rescheduled for the end of December per IR.
I Havent sold yet. At this point, there is no advantage until I need the write off. More than likely - the shares will be accumulated for the trading seat or to continue as a different entity
Try contacting IR for more information. I have had minimal success. Lsuwpptosed to have a BOD meeting iN July to discuss relisting/reporting. That would be big.
anyone still following this stock or have educated guesses on what happens next following the BK announcement? the company remains intact even though most of it is defunct. what is the purpose? there were several key investors that put a lot of money into this company at precarious times. either they knew a lot more about what was going on than the retail guys or were really stupid. hard to imagine their track record fo success and plow money into something like this unless there was a longer term plan.
the primary investor ended up buying up most of the shares that were not secured by existing shareholders in the rights offering several years ago. dropped close to $3MM and the share price had already tanked.
i have posted several times through the years on yahoo that i thought the share price was left to languish so it could be taken private or bought up, consolidated, and then do a new secondary. either the business environment dramatically changed or they planned this BK ahead of time.
i dont know if Kai was incompetent, shrewd, or an arrogant prick. however, it was nothing but downhill after he ousted Borrow and made himself CEO. since he was the largest shareholder - my guess is incompetence and arrogance. his conference calls were a joke and he could not answer straight forward business questions from analysts. he then stopped having them and the stock tanked.
that being said - does anyone know what value resides? is it just the trading seat on the exchange?
i have been buying. new VP suggests new product offerings and renewed efforts. this only makes sense if they have been relatively successful in their lawsuits. we know they have settled with numerous companies. we do not know the amount of the settlements nor the ongoing royalties. i did get a reply back from IR saying they were looking at relisting this summer along with the resumption of necessary filings. that would be a big plus.
i have owned this stock a long time. i started buying again when it was $0.02 and started buying again this year
yahoo in general is dying - not just the message boards. been awhile since i have perused ihub but they did do a much better job of eliminating spam, the quacks, and not constantly changing than yahoo. ragingbull was solid until they were sold. they are now riddled with loading errors and generally non responsive.
concerning vaso - i am a very long term holder (started buying after the crash/fallout from the PEECH trials). i am cautiously bullish. i think the long term risk/reward is very solid here and was further bolstered by extension of the GEHC agreement. long term they need to exponentially ramp up top and bottom line growth on the equipment side.
they REALLY need to provide a more specific plan to investors on the efforts of the consultants on CMS reimbursement (both expanded and specific improved) and provide objective milestones. investors have a substantial stake in the dilution based on these efforts. however, the company did sustantially backload the dilution so 91-92% of it doesnt occur unless there are results. so far - this has not happened. their last newsletter published on the website made weak mention of the efforts but the shareholders deserve/are entitled to more (yes - when you buy shares you do become entitled to certain fiduciary updates.)
i have been an active buyer when it drops out of the current trading range ($0.22-0.24) and goes to $0.18-0.20. right now, there still seems to be an endless supply of shares available and only sustained improvements on the equipment side seem to provide the impetus to really move the stock forward and keep it there. i am still expecting a run similar to last year when there was a lot of shares trading hands with no price movement and then boom - ran to $0.74. considering the company is in MUCH better shape now than then, the chances of a similar run are high. however, a lot of bagholders from the last run will be looking for exit points and will limit it (assuming the run is on no news and out of the blue like last time).
i will continue to follow this board. i still post on yahoo and RB but not frequently.