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Yes, I believe they were referring to HIV mABS/Clone 3.
Honestly Doc, I believe several firms are working together. We know with 100% certainty that both OTCN+VIRT are working together, but I believe PUMA, INTL, JANE, and ASCM are somehow in the mix as well.
Not sure who they're working for, what the end goal is, but the always seem to be pushing the same way. If VIRT+OTCN are propping up the bid for support, the rest follow suit and allow to move up. If they are not and instead dropping the ask/pushing down, the others seem to follow suit with that too. I think there is some BIG money behind them, just don't know who or why...
With the right PR/Disclosure/News, I believe we could easily see 75M+ in volume, where more than half of it is strictly retail. I still very strongly believe that many retail are sitting on the fence waiting for such a PR and/or at least waiting for that SEC Reporting.
Regardless, we'll know it beyond a shadow of a doubt when it happens...
btw, MAGA, when you say retail Volume must increase to get us out of this pattern of the doldrums, by HOW MUCH?~ 100 Million, 500 Million, or what figure do you assess?
Maybe, I'm just looking at the pattern that we all grew used to over the past 2 years.
1. Allow it up first thing after the bell.
2. Cliff-drop/takedown by/around 10:30AM, then hold.
This is what they did for 2 years straight, and the past 2 days they've reverted back to it; And based on the fact that OTCN sold no shares when we were .04.05 higher than we are now, and instead waiting until they/VIRT could drive back under ..10, leads me to believe that it's some kind of pre-arranged sell within a specific range. Otherwise, why forfeit the extra .04-.05 per share they could've gained? Doesn't make any sense.
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5/17 (Today)
rockie - As I've shown/stated many times, the problem lies with retail volume. Even over the past 2 weeks when we saw the increase, the large majority of that volume was not Joe-retail. It was coming from VERT, ASCM, PUMA, VNDM, & JANE. What they're doing and/or who they're doing it for is anyone's guess, but we need a major influx of retail buying, which just isn't coming until something major/definitive drops. Is what it is....
The good news is that nothing's changed with the science, and I'd bet every last share that I have that any/all NDA's currently in play are centered around Clone 3. I say this because when is the last time we received a PR and/or even heard them mention Clone 3, which is their Crown Jewel. In other words, I'm 100% confident that much has been going on behind the scenes with Clone 3, but because of the NDA's Charles & Co must remain slient. When the day comes that they finally disclose everything, this will look completely different and we'll be off to the races, laughing all the way to the bank! Until that time comes, it's beginning to appear as though we're back in the pattern.
I'd feel much more comfortable if we could get back over .10 and hold it. The problem is that whenever we breach .10, both OTCN & VIRT immediately revert to their synced up algos that work all day every day to push us back under. However, if Charles dropped something earth-shattering to bring back massive retail buying, we could do away with them for good and leave them in the dust; but it's going to take something BIG!
We've traded roughly 105M shares over the past 4-5 days on the way down, so if OTCN is selling off those 60M that were added to the OS, I'd imagine they've gotta be just about done. At least I hope so....
And if you watch VIRT on L2, they're playing their game. They continue to appear/disappear on the ask to help hold it down. They never sell, and whenever the ask moves to them, they immediately bow out, allow someone else to take the lead, then reappear for support.
It truly is amazing how they get away with it...
Could be, but based on the inside information that Harry and his family have, I just don't see that making much sense. I'm thinking that whoever those 60M shares went to (the 60M that were added to OS a few weeks back) are being sold at a pre-arranged pps. Otherwise, OTCN would've been selling between .10-.13. However, they worked all day every day with VIRT to drive this back under .10, then started selling. Still doesn't make much sense to me.
Also have PUMA back back in the mix loading more. IT's going to take something big from Charles to bring back that retail volume/buying pressure thats needed to push us back over .10. Until then, it appears we're right back into the daily pattern (allow it up a little early on, then followed by immediate cliff-drop takedown and hold), only at least now we're in the .08's vs the .04's....
Still early with another hour before the bell, but ASCM appears set to keep us user .09. Not sure OTCN is finished yet, and for ridiculous reason they seem to want to sell for less (anything under .10).
RSI has been reset, but we’ll guess we’ll keep waiting to see what the day brings. We desperately need some love from Charles to bring in some retail volume/buying pressure/bid support. Anything to officially take out OTCN & VIRT.
Do we know what the agreed upon settlement was? How many shares going to Savov? Wondering if maybe that 60m increase in OS has anything to do with it, although I believe the original 70M was already showing/included in the OS…
Possible, but still need to go SEC reporting first, which for some reason they continue to avoid. I’m not suggesting that it’s for a nefarious reason, but there is one rule In particular(30 day written notice to all shareholders) that comes with SEC reporting, which is there to offer us commons legitimate protection against waking up one morning to find out that we’ve been wiped out. This is why I’ve been so focused on waiting to see that change, as well as questioning why Charles continues sitting on it…
No. They told us over 1 year ago that as soon as the 2yr audit was completed, they'd go SEC Reporting and uplist. However, in the most recent PR, Charles suggested that ENZC would continue trading on pinks, which is quite confusing.
As mentioned in one my earlier posts, that is what's behind my biggest worry. Selling BGEN+VIRO for $250M is great, as is receiving dividends from it, but at the end of the day, whether or not we reach the wealth we've been holding for depends on what they do with ENZC. We all own loads and loads of shares in ENZC that we've been holding based on Charles lead, so it would be nice to know what the plan for ENZC ticker is, and making the change to SEC reporting would instill some much needed confidence. However, for some reason he continues sitting on it in silence.
RSI definitely reset in the mid 50's, but we'll need something significant/major from Charles to sustain the reversal. Way too many games going on. Funny how it takes 2 weeks to see a +.05 gain, and only 2 days to erase it. Should tell us everything we need to know. And as always, every MM has unlimited shares on the way up, but on the push down they can do it with 1/100th of the qty used on way up. Funny how that works.
Need SEC Reporting and need something from Charles to light the fire, or I'm afraid we'll be pushed right back into the pattern....
LOL... Was just a thought..... I figured as our Club President you could set the example... :)
I hopped on a little later than usual this morning. Did we actually get news today?
Hey Jim - I've got an idea. Why don't you do us all a favor and double your position to wipe out OTCN?
All in favor, say "I"
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Very possible BT, and since they were already part of the OS, we wouldn't see any increase to reflect it. Just selling, as we're seeing now....
Yeah, I was kind of hoping that's what it was, because if so, I think we're almost there; and as far as I can tell from OTCM right now, none of the increased 900M have fallen to the OS yet, so we're potentially looking at the added 60M + the added 32.5M from a few months back. Let's get them out of the way and get back to to the climb towards an accurate valuation....
Agreed, I just found it strange that they had to push it under .10 before they actuall began selling. Also, I'm wondering if maybe they're selling those 60M shares that we saw the OS increase by back in April? Shares had to come from somewhere?
LOL.... Truth be told, even know I'm sure this sarcasm, the way I see it is that as long as Charles comes thru in the way that he's led us all to believe that he will, we're all good. I personally have only 2 concerns that have the potential to keep me up at night.... Not saying they are right now, but as time goes on, potential is there....
1. Why are we not SEC Reporting and why did Charles state that ENZC would continue trading on pinks. What is his plan for ENZC? Regardless of what type of dividend we receive for SAGA, I can say with 100% certainty it would not be an even trade 1 for 1, so the bulk of all of our shares, as well as the majority of all of our hopes & dreams lie with the ticker of ENZC, not SAGA. What is the plan for ENZC?
2. Why did the AS increase by 1/3, and why have we not been told anything about it. The fact that the 900M increase was not accompanied with some type of filing/explanation, is a bit worrisome.
Other than those 2 items, I'm not worried about too much. As long as Charles follows thru/true to his & Chandra's word regarding ENZC, we're all good.....
And….VIRT is back, so Iguess they need to push it down further….
I agree Cat, but what doesn’t make a lick a sense to me is how VIRT+OTCN worked all day every day for 2 weeks to drive the pps under .10, before OTCN began dumping. Could be some kind of pre arranged transfer at a set pps, but other than that, why give up 04.05 per share sold? Games, games, games….
For now. Let’s see if VIRT reappears now that we’re back over .10
Good morning! With OTCN and STXG leading the ask early on, leads me to believe we’re in store for more games today. We’ll see!
So why drive the pps under .10, then sell vs selling for .03-.05 more? They could’ve sold in the .12-.13 range, but instead drove pps down here then started selling….
They’re trying hard to make sure this closes in 09s. Funny how VIRT+OTCN were working overtime the past 2 weeks to push this back under .10, but never sold or bought from .10-.13. Then they finally push us under .10, VIRT disappears, and now OTCN has unlimited shares to sell for cheaper. So they didn’t want to sell for an extra .03-.04… LOL…. Makes a lot sense, huh?
Makes zero sense unless selling for profit isn’t OTCN’s main goal.
Honestly, as I've posted many times before, any of these prices in this laughable range are so severely undervalued, I view all of them as good buys. I always refer back to the following, because it clearly shows just how severely, and I believe intentionally, undervalued we truly are.
HIV mABS only (Clone 3) valued at roughly $100B over first 11 years, which breaks out to $9.09B per year. Based on current SS, that gives us a pps of roughly $3.15 without any type of PE/multiplier factored in, as well as no AI factored in, MS or other viruses/diseases factored in, etc... However, we're trading in the .09-.12 range? Like I said, laughable.....
That said, I think what has people holding off and/or a bit weary is that we don't know what's going to happen with ENZC ticker. Why did Charles state that ENZC would continue trading in Pinks, when we were supposed to be going SEC Reporting and uplisting? I just think there are a lot of unanswered questions that have people on the fence, but if Charles follows thru with ENZC Ticker the way he's led us all to believe he will, I would view any buy in this ridiculous range as a smart buy.....
All my opinion of course.... Hope this helps..
I want to see SEC Reporting more than any of the others at this point, although I'm not expecting it soon.... Here's to hoping though....
Possible, but I believe the only ones shorting this are the MM's, not retail. If you call you're broker/platform and ask them how many shortable shares are out there, I bet they tell you zero. I know several people called over a year ago, and all were told there weren't any shortable shares.
With the MM's/Firms, they can/do naked short daily, so it doesn't really matter whether there are any shortable shares or not for them.
Unbelievable. Can't make this $H!T up! This exactly what happened in January 2022. VIRT+OTCN worked all day every day to drive us back under .10, at which point VIRT disappeared. Then STXG took control for 1-2 weeks. Now, look who just graced us with their presence, after VIRT+OTCN drove us back under .10.... Yup... STXG....
We'll see... But you're correct, there is always something with this one. The amount of time, money, and energy that has went in to controlling this stock is beyond anything I've ever seen. Even in the OTC, and that's saying something.
I don't know limer814, I'm pretty sure they drop it to wherever they want. Just over the past 2 weeks, I've literally watched them skip the top 3 bids, hit the 4th highest bid, drop the lowest ask to match it, then the entire bid side shifts in perfect sync to drop under the new lower ask. Lots of games being played, and I wouldn't put anything past them at this point. I've got a sense of desperation for shares in the air....
Anyone else notice how VIRT disappears once safely under .10 with some padding for protection?
Actually rockie, I don't believe that has anything to do with this. I'm more inclined to believe that this is the result of:
1. Some desperately need to cover and shaking what they can
2. Some profit taking expected after the increase
We'll see what happens, if we can hold/close above .10, it's a good sign.... Also, watch L2 for other signs rockie. When you see somebody drop the ask this far below the next highest ask, it's pretty much a guarantee that they're attempting to shake shares free via violent drops.
Well, on the "glass half full" side of things, the RSI is back around 63 and still dropping. I'd say that it has been reset, and if a solid PR were to drop, we'd have the room to push past .15's