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Nowak- " They are a huge credit risk. " Describe how you would re-brand around THAT risk and reasonably hope to attract investor interest against that credit risk?
IMO, since they are paying more for money today, they are saying they are a larger risk, not a lesser risk...did they have to accept that? Did they work to change that?
When the TSA IDIQ/sale was announced, CEO Bolduc spoke to " financing interest"...I saw that as a real opportunity to use the IDIQ to lower the cost of capital. Did Clams McGann do that?
Why didn't he do something about it as THAT was the first order of business?
RE: sales on the order of tens of millions.
First- is there a market for the product and how it can be used to the appicable need? YES IMSC, but gov. use or gov. required use is the ONLY market. (remember a swabb method requires a choke point and a time consuming event, meaning you can't reasonable put one in a State Police car...you could put a hand held non-contact unit though...)
Second- how does the product compare in terms of use features, expendible cost and unique characteristics? Advantage IMSC!
Third- price in quantity. Possibly Dis-advantage IMSC...
Fourth- ability to deliver service around the world. Neutral.
Fifth- company history and credit worthiness. Disadvantage IMSC. Larger today than yesterday.
if you look down this chain of dots that are evaluated by buyers, where do you see weakness for IMSC- THAT is exactly where competitors see weakness and where they are pointing their attacks. And THAT same spot(s) is where 'market aware mgt. needs to "armor up" IMSC, which they failed at doing.
But today, I am getting happier seeing shorts covering. That's the bullish point of view today.
Meanwhile, sales to canada-euro markets could be the light in the middle of the tunnel but don't expect Morpho to move out of the way, even with the head wound they took from their TSA protest. See the dot chain to see where they continue to point their stalling attacks while they work like rabbits to improve their product(s).
So you are saying IMSC is NOT a significant credit risk?
Wouldn't you consider it as a contingent agreement? IF/THEN? Didn't BAM and DMRJ do just that? Where was the competition for this...now, if mgt. did NOT develop interest in financing IMSC, then we get today's result- high cost of capital, on going potential (likely) dilution. Both of these ALSO make a higher wall for NEW shareholder interest.
How do you go to the new shareholder and say: We just became the LEADER in ETD and THAT IS COSTING us more money for capital.
Think about that. Now, throw money against the prospect with the new branding effort. Every single potential investor is going to sift thru the labryinth of DMRJ loans, the BAM loan and the IDIQ shipments along side the CCs and then they have to make a las vegas like bet on IMSC.
I fully expect mgt. to do better with the wins they work so dam hard to achieve. Isn't that intuitive? So this mgt. turned a WIN into a higher cost of capital and everyone is clapping about that????????? That is upside down thinking to me.
One aspect would be convert sales wins into lower cost of capital. Anything helps.
Look, current creditors know this business well enough to loan into a deep black hole...why? IMSC has vital gov. approvals, which allows them to compete for sales. The thinking, IMSC gets a % of any procurement, so they are more credit worthy the more approvals they have.
The only possible bright side to today, the IDIQ feeds a pay down in DMRJ loans while the increase cost from BAM is workable. But consider, if both BAM and DMRJ see that, then another creditor could also see that. CLO lenders compete too, but in this case they didn't. That's lazy leadership to me. Sorry, just posting from my gut what I feel today.
Now, the bright side, today does allow IMSC to develop awesome products but those products will not find their way to market via large IDIQs, TSA intends to purchase as needed. So borrowing agains the vague prospect of undefined sales dims lending in the future.
Around the world, expect severe headwinds from losers like Morpho. And while Morpho came out of the TSA protest wounded, they won't act like that. They will improve their product and they will be three times as fierce in European venues where they are the "home team".
The only way out of this hole is R/D, which is McGann's strong suit. If he can develop a truely AWESOME hand held non contact ETD unit which can be hypenated onto an EDS, then we can expect much higher share prices. The problem IMSC carries when propecting for NEW shareholders is super high debt and quiet management.
Today I am certainly not selling or buying. Watching and hoping- sure. But carefully as I really want to see how they can develop new shareholder interest. And a NEW shareholder is just like a potential creditor- they want to see how they are going to be paid back. So Clams McGann, PLEASE don't go quiet. That would really suk.
Pat - my sense, TSA wanted to see viability in funding. As Clams has stated prior: according to the TSA's schedule. I think he meant that IMSC could ship some units but had not received the authorization to do so. Today's PR should have been the PR a day after the Morpho protest ended. Clams pointed to "continuing with DMRJ", which was disappointing, so maybe it was BAM holding out for another 1% of cream.
I think they need to PR when DMRJ converts as the float goes up on those events, which is material.
The problem, they are NOT turning SALES WINS into beneficial operating aspects. And Europe is going to a World Wrestling freak show of protests. Morpho in Europe has a bigger stick, even with the black eye they took over the protest in the USA. So expect delays, delays that cost IMSC precious money.
Maybe the bright side to Clams is "run silent, run deep" means DMRJ won't have clarity on when to convert.
nextgen- the basic assumption WAS, not more of the same. IMSC had ascended to a clear position of leadership in ETD yet it has acted -worked- messaged -achieved like a laggard. Of course THAT is disappointing. I fully expected them to leverage their achievements, show their new revised model to a new creditor and at least make the normal course of running the business via a $162M IDIQ a bit more profitable, end the ongoing dilution which stains their brand and share price and make the vault upward to a leading-defensible position that allows for more/easier wins.
Today, while they changed a word from A leader to THE leader, which was good, the results show they have not been rewarded as BAM is now making more money (16%) off their loan to IMSC.
If you examine these words from Clams McGann:
"The combination of approvals from TSA and the European Civil Aviation Conference for the QS-B220 give us potential access to tens of millions of dollars of procurements, both here in the U.S. and in Europe. We believe these credit extensions provide the time needed as we seek to realize the revenue from these orders. We appreciate the continued support from DMRJ and BAM during this exciting time."
- TSA IDIQ covers DHS so I hope he is referring to orders to come from the USA in addtion to TSA's IDIQ but truthfully, I don't see which brand besides DOD that would be.
- "potential access to tens of millions of dollars of procurements." I would NOT compare that POTENTIAL to order(s) potentials larger than TSA's.
- "realize the revenue from these orders"- Wait, IMSC is in line for only the TSA potential. The additional revenue comes from "potential access to...procurements." -- this is misleading at best and out and out distortion should those potentials become memories.
- Consider the wall around European sales and if you think a loser like Morpho was MAD in the USA, think about the likelihood of the POTENTIAL in Europe. Morpho goes to the mat in Europe and Smiths also, should they lose.
- so what is very odd and somewhat troubleing, in the course of a few weeks we became THE leader but the size of the POTENTIAL has gone from "TSA like orders/potentials" to "tens of millions" of potentials while the cost of doing business has gone up.
The goal of a win (TSA) is advance the prospects, lower the cost, mitigate the risk, increase the credibility and deminish the competitive slagg being thrown at IMSC as a debt ridden operator who can turn a huge sales win into a higher cost of credit.
Any creditor wants to know how your numbers show ability to be paid back, so I guess the win here is, IMSC will be able to pay them back even at a higher cost of capital. But the convert cap on the pps appreciation is NOT going away and that truely is disappointing.
Ted- exactly! They "kill" the COB that brought the train to this moment and then communicate those events like freshman boobs. Sorry to say that but its true.
Then they explain it/act like it was a just a change in direction and that's why we are rebranding.
Whose the parent and whose the child?
Pat- you sound reasoned but you are missing the event line which is- THE TRAIN DISAPPEARED IN A FOG BANK.
Consider:
- COB axed and compensation taken from him and spread to a select group, the CIC PR
- Re-fi deadline and seeming lazy approach to it is a critical need and one I will guess TSA is watching very closely so LONG_LOYAL_ OWNER fatigue goes into overdrive. The REFI is really an issue that I believe stands in the way of the first order of the IDIQ.
-Rebrand to Enable Impact in outreach to integrator-partner/potenital investor...basically, IMSC wants to look viable and focused as well as successful in the eyes of an EDS maker/future owner...they put Liscouski on the point to do just that while they tell us a re-brand/comm. plan is going into play.
- The Cloak of Silence drops on investor communications...not smart when some 85-90% of the owners are retail investors...while a group of dedicated shorts work in and around a creditors constant dumps. Who wouldn't be a "tad" on edge?
- CEO points to more "DMRJ", which is a kiss of downward pps/ dilution if not countered with eye-popping sales, to which CEO refuses to comment on the next big product except to say AWESOME...but of course, this product has been spoken too in white papers received by all in attendance at industry day...see the CLOAK OF SILENCE for the lame reasoning
So we have micro-cap with macro debt relying on gov. sales while playing against angry multi-nationals and who gets the stick in the eye treatment? We the OWNERS.
Yeah, I'm more than a bit unhappy.
9- TSA is based on constant paranoia- they can never be wrong. Go back to R.Reid shoe bomber for the ancedotal...RR could have succeeded in blowing up a plane if he hadn't been a nervous wreck. TSA responds quickly by greenlighting the purchase of PUFFER BOOTHS and ETD is instantly a full fledged layer in their scheme. However, TSA had NOT field tested the Booths. In short measure, those booths begin to jam ( intake clogs), give off false alarms and are in almost constant need for service. Of course, these booths cost TSA an arm and a leg. GOA reviews the TSA's process for purchase of booths and concludes TSA failed to adequately field test the booths before spending MILLIONS of dollars. GOA conveniently ignored the mind-set and the terror-scape in THEIR process, but the outcome was closer oversight by Congress and the $30M cap purchase law.
Again, my guess as to IMSC unit cost- $39K.
Me un-glued? Another one you got wrong. But if you are saying $2/share buyout on the way, then I am unglued as I want $2.50 min.
About 39K/unit. My guess. 1170/2=585 / 23M= 39K$ unit cost. A total guess. But one I think we deserve to hear confirmed or not. The 23M price if floating around in the public view so I think "Clams" needs to be forthcoming as THIS is extremely material.
High False Alarm Rate Morpho- which really does NOT help Morpho in Germany nor Spain nor Italy nor UK. In frog country--meh.
Buffalo you cannot imagine credibility. Where's the big pop in PPS post CEO leaving? NOWHERE. That means you have been self-schooled.
Shi- huh? IMSC has 100% of the TSA refresh for ETD. For EDS, wells thats yet to be seen how an IMSC product gets integrated into a next gen. EDS system. But we know that is coming.
And we also know that Clams McGann intends to refi with DMRJ so that is a done deal but since it was pointed to by the CEO on a conference call, IMSC lost any small amount of leverage they might have had. What's another 25M$ at 15% convert option at the closing price on day of signing. Now you can see why the pps will drop right up until its signed. And of course, somebody can hasten the downdraft by dumping along the way thus delivering a lower conversion price.
Sales approach into Euro markets is where IMSC would be wise to partner-to-package with an EDS maker to enable a better sales return in Euro markets. This is also a way to open a channel of communication for co-ventures. Clams had to have thought of this...right?
Daudah--Clams McGann could do just that. If he had another $350M.
Bigger picture, Smith's will leverage their mid-east packaged deal with other airports and when you pencil it out, the savings can be mighty. So THAT is the wave that will hit Europe where appropriate.
The window for IMSC to sell itself is limited...by time and by partner dance card. A company weak in ETD needs IMSC to package also.
We have the worst single "re-brand" underway and it immediately violates the first rule of re-branding which is DON"T BE QUIET! I also sense "Clams" sees retail as a threat at worst and a distraction at best and therefore its a cloak of silence and invisable PRs all for you the retail shareholder WHO built this company as much as McGann did. NOT the way to run any company and NOT the way to Thank loyal shareholders. He had better not miss any material event. Not one.
I wonder if they had STEAL THE COB's COMP PACKAGE planning sessions at FRIDAY's just for the apps?
Outside chance...like the 9 horse? I don't know--but IF I was writing a PR that was larded with my product names and I skipped a product name while pointing at a category that I had a NEW product in--well, it's a quacking and walking kinda funny. That's all.
Smith's packaged somebody's ETDs into the sale and I don't think there were Smiths or they would tout that. Packaging is hard to beat and Smith's put together the total package.
Ki- could be Smiths is our parent?
Gee, I wonder why Smiths didn't spec the name of their own trace detection sensors in the PR? But I think they make a good point- packaging EDS-ETD-NUKE-FLUID-METAL systems is one way to win nice pieces of business.
Wonder how Morpho looks at that LOSS?
ki- good for you. I am sitting tight. Aside from Castro's neg.slant and your positive take we get what-- nothing much.
I think we have to see BAM leave, happily for good to happen. How they are shown the door and by who is a key question.
And the company has Lisouski working for either a take out or a buy in by a strategic partner. His #1 motivation is take out as CIC pays out for that. Sure, his shares are set along with other insiders at $1.4 ish, the plateau where huge selling stopped a run upwards after IDIQ/TSA SALE PRs. I don't believe that 1.4-ish WALL to be co-incidence.
With Hassett paid out and off the BOD, the CIC-CREW has alot more leeway. So I look for that soon.
But at the end of the day- viability gives reliability and that produces continuity, which I believe the TSA wants to see. It would be a ghastly tragedy to boob up a $162M IDIQ, don't you think? To say nothing of a $2M product development grant, which most of the work has been put in. Remember, while being A leader in ETD, we are THE leader with the GOLD standard in ETD.
Buffalo- are you buying IMSC stock today or did you last week?
Fidel- you are making the patients at one of your hospitals nervous.
Could it be somebody wants the pps to crater just prior to consumating a refi while allowing the float to increase ?
The TSA is watching. They have been over-primed by competing interests to watch IMSC's corp developments. My guess, they are looking for clarity before asking for the first parcel.
That IDIQ is the Grail right now. Keeping it moving is in everybody's interest except our competitors. Think about it, the single largest IDIQ for ETD in TSA history. Quite a feather in IMSC's cap if they can wear it well.
Well Buffalo...I think they created a very tight inside unit for CIC. This is one sign that legal is zipped tight. However, I don't recall Hassett being part of the CIC pay out. And Hassett is still on the BOD.
But we are close and somebody is buying readily available shares while shorts are going to the sidelines.
The ASEI reveal was telling, as was S staying out of Paris while watching what was going on in the UK...so I think the wheels are turning.
In terms of McGann goes clam, well, that's part of being a good faith negotiator- keeping the market away from the table. If the PPS ran to $2+ on rumors, it makes it hard to keep talking.
But I also think that no matter what happens, it will be given away in a surprise rise in pps. Seems like it always happens that way.
Price dropping, shorting slowing, shares readily available...hummm
- the BOD is not your friend.
- the BOD is the BOD's friend.
- common's hope, the BOD makes more on the share price in a buy out but no doubt the BOD has covered their bets via the CIC ( except Hassett)
- Corner posted the real driver, ASEI's hand held backscatter is 2 years from market IF they can develop a reasonable approach to using it. ( shaped charges still can look like flesh whereas a very high ETD can pull in a molecule of trace IF it has very high resolving power and a vigorous method of sample acquistion)
- the bet, IMSC can and is developing a very high, nay, THE highest resolving power hand held, non-contact ETD in world, one that will out detect ASEI's unit.
- nobody wants this in the dump except our competitors so this will extend if needed.
- if nothing else, the IDIQ is worthwhile so the value of the company AFTER debt is the margin on the IDIQ + the value of the IP
- imo, the TSA will fill the full IDIQ over two years...they will replace their entire line but not inside a year as OTHER branches of DHS will buy thru the IDIQ.
- Buffalo, at first glance seems right on the buy out, but the details cannot reasonable be worked out inside a pressure cooker nor can the company receive full value without a clean picture of their hand held product ( like say a QDP for submission to TSA...and dit had better be awesome)
- Buffalo, you think L/K would allow this company to be sold against shareholder wishes? NO. But the BOD can make it seem so dark that shareholders would accept anything.
rmegs- I also try to put into words what I am thinking. Of course, I am but a feeble human prone to mistakes and one of them may be IMSC. But I also hope to be proven wrong. However, human nature being what it is, and the recent beheading of the man who made it all happen along with a re-distribution of his wealth brings a Sneer to my Lear. Again, the ugly beast of human nature. What do foul deeds predict...? Seldom, do they foretell of a better day. To my apparently feeble thinking, alignment between mgt. and shareholders may have split with a drop of blade. But i digress- there is a re-brand underway. A final solution masked as a re-brand? With a 11% CIC payout pending?
Fidel- Batista here...you sound like another young songbird I once heard sing the finest songs know to mankind in one of my many casinos. Yet there is an air of desperation in your attempt at pity, oh well, I pity you and me and a dog named blue IF it is DMRJ...but if it is DMR, I will move to the Ukraine and will my shares to you, my capitalist pig of a friend. But considering the trading action, IF it was DMR, they would close a deal qucikly to enable a higher share price so their mighty dumps reap a larger reward.
Senor Bolduc intimated outloud ( if that is possible) that he had more than a few inbound inquiries as to financing. I assume Senior Rodger kept those phone numbers, si?
But who really knows aside from Hefe McGann. And remember, he reaps a mighty reward should he or Doc Jones bring at least $15M of financing to the treasury. I lit a votive candle with that very prayer in mind at church this AM. One has to believe that a windfall of buy options of 1% of outstanding shares at closing day price would get a man early to bed and to rise and work those phones like a rabbit high on espresso or some such neurotropic to the lad. ( a carrot works?)
The play while being the thing, cannot be set in a more finer way to enable a breaking of this sad mold. It has been some two weeks since the first sniffs of relief wafted thru the clear morning air. I hold fast that Hefe brings home the carrots and sends this mighty equity soaring to infinity and--oops got too carried away--don't want to lose more precious board cred. as said cred. and $2 still comes up short at Starbucks. ( Imagine Fidel's chagrin looking at the trading price of StarBucks everyday, ah carummbah!)
Turn this around? How so...? He landed on a $162M IDIQ, a GOLD STANDARD CRADA, a grant to develop hand held non-contact-- he has incentives to land financing over $15M, he has a bigger chunk of the CIC payout-- not sure he has alot of "turning around to do"...
Nowak- same to you- Pal. We both own the same stock, idiot.
AWESOME!
Ah NO, we have 100% of the USA market. Which is 42% of the world wide market. Do the MATH...OK?
Really? That is the LEADER criteria? According to who? And explain what A leader is, based on your criteria...
Bolduc said: worldwide gov. approvals for cornerstone ETD product(s), grow the cap to $500M via sales to those govs., uplist to a real exchange, sell the company and reward shareholders for supporting the INTENDED PLAN...the new plan-- execute the exisiting orders. Seems lazy to me. Yet hints were thrown about. WEAK leadership. Sorry, I am a shareholder and I want results. It seems odd to be called the GOLD STANDARD IN ETD, TO HAVE THE LARGEST IDIQ FOR ETD IN TSA HISTORY and then say you are "A" leader. Who the hell are the OTHER leaders???? Do they have an ETD -IDIQ with TSA? Do they have full approval in Europe?
Really,thats what I call pussyfootin. It works for the ballet, for ETD- ah NOOOO.
B9- ah NOOOO, DOS reports to COO ( was McGann for 2 plus years) so DJ can't go rogue.
Look, McGann has been running most of the company, McGann has deposed the CEO/COB. McGann has the company balancing on a pin...yet to go "CLAM" while pointing to certain pipeline bursting events-- well that's what this small town pizza lawyer calls: pussyfootin. We don'ts needs nos pussyfootins. Wees A leader, aint wees?
Hell yes. But McGann is the one wearing the clam costume. And he calls THE shots. Remember, we are A leader...
Fidel- huge difference, IMSC didn't have a fully approved product. And when it did, it spoke to the opportunity that then changed via the TSA's disposition ( the ate the competitive FUD). And McGann was part of that speaking.
The point now is: IMSC is A leader. Yet IMSC speaks like a loser. Not helpful. Why?
But if you questioned Bolduc et al, why are you not more concerned NOW? Shouldn't things be trending UP, you know , with the new direction, the new re-brand, the huge but undisclosed opportunities, the white papers presented at industry days- which by the way are viewed by competitors large and small...
Get on the stick dude, between shifts, you know as you transit your first shift hospital to your second...
MC GANN-- post the tender pipeline $ amount you claim IMSC is bidding for...show the $-men that IMSC is more than TSA. Do that and help IMSC get a better deal. Don't do that and become a DMRJ victim.
Not sure what you did since November, but you should have been working options to DMRJ. Many of them.
But since you told us you have a bursting pipeline, pencil out the potentials. Sure IMSC will not get more than 50% but if you are talking about 7500 B-220s around the world, well, its a big enough potential to inspire confidence.
Just over the horizon is cargo refresh in 2016. IMSC is already qualified but S-M new non-nuclear machines have to qualify to participate in cargo refresh 2016. Lets look at that potential too.
Then why NOT speak to the potential operational mode that a non-contact hand held ETD opens up and who is the leader in non-contact hand helds? Please don't claim competitive secrecy- S-M know what you have. Why not tell us? That is AWESOMELY WEAK.
Now I will examine the vaunted Re-Brand...$400 worth of file photos on the website-- that's it? Camon McGann, you cut yourself a nice change in control slice so why not do what you said you were going to do? What are you doing to bring value to the shareholders?
The wisdom well is full of ex-IMX's and even some IMSC's. And they seem to be very very content.
I have to say, the old skipper had perfect timing and brought the right product at the right time to the right places. And money men know that. They have seen further down the road than any of us imagine.
Sidebar note to Pat re: solyndra the real story is even more devious than you can imagine. Like gutting fed. solar credits ( not elminating them, just letting them revert to a prior level ) to the point that soly. could not depend on its business plan.
HC- Fidel is shorting IMSC-- OMG, a tribute to compact thought!
Buff- what happened to your running commentary re: take out? Not chinese...
To the censor of this board-- commie is too nice a word.
I don't see DMRJ refusing to lend AFTER paying BAM out of the picture. I think they do as anything else is very awkward and clumsey. But extracting very favorable terms-- ah yes, I do think DMRJ is going to do that.
So time is a wasting, the PPS is suspended in space. Things need to align quickly...but I can't see anybody turning this into a BK fiasco. Nobody wins that except S-M.
While I haven't seen the inter-creditor agreement, I am sure DMRJ will make sure BAM is paid. Not a big deal unless its NOT done. Then, I assume, the IP reverts/will revert back to secure DMRJ's debt.
Of course all can change with a $50M strategic invest into IMSC.
No doubt, keeping order in the company is important as TSA has likely been fed all the competitve f.u.d. they can handle. With that in mind, it behooves McGann to get this done quickly because as he spec'd, IMSC can begin to deliver product according to the TSA's schedule. If I was TSA, I might wait to hit the order button until I knew that IMSC is remaining whole.
As shareholders were shaken by the coup on COB Bolduc, so were OTHER entities involved. As least Bolduc got done the financing in advance of a pps breakdown/ lack of confidence rush by all involved. But McGann was pretty casual...I don't sense it was a poker face either.
DMRJ is the only game in town. They know it. McGann knows it and THAT is what he told us.
Not sure what the hell mgt. did for 100 days except argue over who gets a bigger slice of the pie. Meanwhile, Rome burned to the ground and some guys in brioni suits pitched a tent on the burnt remains.
Forget 8 cent interest shares, as the only game in town,DMRJ can stop taking McGann's calls and wait until he is ready to sign. DMRJ can pay out BAM, convert and own controlling interest in a blink.
So the question then becomes how does DMRJ make the most money on holding controlling interest. They have watched this mgt. team kill the ex COB, who was DMRJ friendly, then watched as this mgt. team awarded themselves change in control upto 11.83% ( roughly) of any buy out amount.
I think DMRJ has to be worn out, to continually convert, unwind and roll financing over and over. Consider,IMSC's #1 ranking position ( my call, not McGann's) in ETD is in danger without a robust R&D program, which McGann refused to speak about, which can only be taken as: we don't have the money to fully fund R&D at this time. To me, McGann sweeping that under the rug, in a public document is capitulation. He did call the Hx "awesome" but he also spec'd a late arrival for it, to my mind. Capitulation. But Liscouski does represent a long "bomb" at the buzzer so to speak...think about it, I have NOT seen his compensation agreement except CIC control % of some .83%( ish). So let us all hope he talks on IMSC behalf more often than he has an IMSC BOD member or as an IMSC consultant.
WHERE IS THE FIRST TSA SHIPMENT? WHERE ARE SALES TO THE NEBRASKA STATE POLICE?
If you are asking me if I was in favor of deposing the CEO-COB that built the business-- ah NO I was NOT. Bolduc took us here, as he said he would do.
So how do you like the new regime's approach? Is IT working for you...? More DMRJ? More silence? Boob'd PRs? No discussion of new products? HELL THE COMPETITION KNOWS IT, WHY NOT ENCOURAGE NEW INVESTMENT BY SPEAKING TO THE OPPORTUNITY?
So if you are really serious in asking me that, then I must be serious back in answering-- so far, meh-- that's all I can say and believe me, I would love to tout this stock from the top of Denali...but instead, boobery rules. IMO. Wow, what a website, it looked like an ant farm on my cell...mobile site. A leader stumbles ? Geez, we're too busy waiting around for the TSA...no, safe to say I am NOT plussed. But I am NOT selling shares either. The refi is the pivot point...How bout you...?