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Diplomatic relations restored with Cuba. Let's sell them some solar
jnelson@solar3d.com
TD Ameritrade has been up to date all day. Probably a yahoo server issue.
Where TD is concered, probably not. I have complained to them numerose times about lack of news. they claim that if the news feed they subscribe to doesn't carry anything it won't show up on their site. Logical I suppose but as I told them a little short sighted on their part.
All solar3d board members be sure to remember to check your mailbox. I know new members quite often forget about that.
Well undoubtedly he has done his job well in your case. However I doubt you find many who agree with you or him. Notice the lack of interest here today? Wonder why?
I know where you won't be posting.
This has all been discussed before. Or CPA on this board explained it completly. So unless you have now become a cpa please let's just drop this as it has no value to this board or any board for that matter.
LMAO JOKER
See my previous post. That is from CPA
You are wrong in that assumption. The books are reviewed before a Q is released . The books will have a full audit as has been done before when the before the yearly is posted.
You have yet to prove you are correct and the market is wrong. Personal opions as the market not being correct in valuation is made irelevant by the fact that one mind can not out think a million. Therefore if you are convinced that the market is wrong and you are correct in your evaluation of SLTD why are you invested in it? One would think you would run the other way, rather than invest your time in debating the relevance of the stock and market.
Good luck with that.
Oh, I agree with you, but that was a debate point, not a reality.
Let's for the sake of discussion say you are correct. Now I will ask what diferance does it make, as the market decides the value of a company as a whole. Individual opinions while they may disagree with the markets valuation, have no standing in the reality that IS THE MARKET.
So, my evaulation of the value of STLD rest squarly with what tye market at this time feels is fair market value. As I do not have a team of people available to tackle a true " valuation matrix" as originators of that term outline (Fieldstone Alliance) I choose to trust the market. I mention this because you mentioned you would provide a " valuation matrix" this AM. I therefore assumed you in fact did have a team and would produce a matrix as described by this site:
http://www.fieldstonealliance.org/client/articles/Tool-Revenue_Evaluation_Matrix.cfm
Thereby giving us a true solar3d evaluation.
Is this your VALUATION MATRIX? Or is that still a work in progress. After all as you say anyone can use assumptions, just as you just did.
Let's not forget that tye sunworks owners also loaned SLTD the money that was used to purchase them. I wonder how they themselves evaluated the companies future value since they risk their own money in order to be a part of it.
The bottom line? It is what it is! The MARKET HAS SET THE VALUE. if anyone disagrees with the market tyey probably should not be investing if they think it is overvalued. I have yet, with the possible exception of Warren Buffett, who is smarter than the composite of the market. I suppose if someone appeared that was, we would have to rethink the concept of the market. But then we would of course require unequivocal proof that they were smarter. Until then I will just have to take the markets word for it.
Ok. I believe it was a very very old style, not even rated, nor did it use electricity as they didn't have any. It simply insulated the food, reverse fashion, from the freezing cold.
But lets use another sales example, "SELL THE SIZZLE NOT THE STEAK"
In the near future we will have outdoor grills powered by solar3d technology. So here we have an electric grill in search of something to cook. Off to the grocery store we go. In the meat market isle we see a big thick red ribeye. We check the marbaling carefully. Not to much not to little, just right. In our minds we can see that big fat steak already cooking on the grill. We can smell that wonderfull aroma of chargrilled steak, we can almost hear that marbled fat melting and dripping on to the hot coals, sizzllying as it hits, producing even more of that rick cooked steak aroma. We imagine that steak turning mouthwatering brown on the outside and rich tender red on the inside. This is the perfect steak for our 3D solar cell powered grill. The perfect reason we bought both, as our expectations for both are fully fullfiled. And so it was.
Enjoy your mid day dinner.
Is this the valuation maxtric your said you would provide use with this AM?
Ah, is this the VALUATION MATRIX you promised for this morning?
Yeah, tried the same. Told him I would avoid asking for insider info. And did, just ask for his opinion on things.
Didn't reply. I take that as a positive though. I was to close to something. IMO
Normally I would agree with that assessment, if you were talking carpet, or cars, or appliances. But we're not here. We are talking new product, that hopefully is priced competivly. I have had enough expearance over the years with NEW CONCEPT, to know you can not undermine yourself by offering inferior subs to JUST GET THE SALE! You must always remember that the consumer buys on PERCEIVED VALUE. it is salesmans job to help the buyer see why spending more is of value to them in the future. If you a salesman goes into a presentation with the knowledge he can always offer a lower quality product in order to get the sale, then he is not going to do his upmost to sell the quality product. Given that out a new product company simply adds to the uphill and allows the perception that we are the only choice if your really want the best.
As an example. Many years ago a salesman for Frigidare went to alaska to sell refrigerators to the Eskimo's.
The Eskimoes laughed at him and ask him why they need such a thing to keep their food safe. After all they had nature to work for them it froze all the meats and kept it safe for months?
Without missing a beat the saleman replied, but yes your corrct for fozen foods, but what if you don't want some foods frozen? The refigurator will keep them fresh but unfrozen for extended periods of time.
Needless to say he got rich.
Consumers buy on percieved value. It's is an emotional thing. Logic and price have little to do with it. As a matter of fact almost every study has shown that the price of something is about eight or ninth on the list of reason to buy.
So no. We don't need to be offering cheaper solutions.
I am having a small logic problem here.
A. SUNworks gets elite status with sunpower and a discount on panels. Profit.
B. Sunpower makes solar panels.
C. Solar3d has a new cell coming. Owns SUNworks.
D. Solar3d is looking for a manufacturing partner. Solar3d will expect SUNworks to install new product.
E. SUNworks will go with boss, thereby negating extra profits from elite status and sunpower panel purchases.
F. This makes pursuit of ELITE status a waste of time. Therefore makes recent PR of no value.
G. Why then seek partnership with sunpower and announce elite status, if in a short time period you will have
No use for said partnership and elite status?
H. Sunpower knowing about the new cell is coming, goes ahead and awards eilite status to a company who will
be required to abandon them in the near future, thereby reducing the incentive for the award, more sales.
I. Jim Nelson joins in the celebration of this new status. Apparently forgetting the 3d cell for the time being
In favor of a future competitor sunpower.
K. Considering all the negatives listed above, I have to conclude that they can only lead to a positive
Conclusion.
J. It is my belief thar sunpower will be our manufacturing partner!
IMO
This does not counter the sunpower/target senerio posted before mine. Just two differant approaches. One through sunpower contact, the other through direct contact. Both are valid and not fluff.
Nothing in sales is fluff. That designation is going to really enhance our salespeoples closure rate. So more closures more revenue more profits. No in sales anything that adds percived value to your product is definatly not to be considered fluff. It is a leg up on competition!
Seeyou re so correct I have overlooked all of othat buyout, was just focused on the cell. Now it is apparent that the cell is just an illusion. Something we think we are seeing but it's not there really. An the sunworks thing probably isn't as great as it seems, ya know. How did you see through all that crap. I mean you havei really opened my eyes. I need to get rid of this POS. RIGHT. I'm just looking to loose my money if I stay here. Thanks.
See, your absolutly correct. Here all this time I thought I knew what was going on, but know you have pointed out why I was wrong. Damn this is just all a scam, come on, suck out our money. It's just patetic, and these come on fluff crap announcements, yea you been right all along.
Ya know I think you are absolutely right, let's join up here and see what we can do to make a real profit. There must be a way to get cheaper shares here. Maybe we can say the whole thing is a fraud. A rip off, a fake company shell that is just sucking up peoples money for it's own gain. Now if that works we can jump on it when it get's back to the sub penny level and then make a killing later. How about it, want to join up with me. Maybe we can get some others here to form a sorta pack, and really get things under control. We might be just able to control this board completely. Whoa, I have absolutly been on the wrong side here all along. Time to get real. Take profits. Sell now, buy back when it trash can's. Yep new road for me.
I think the latter
No doubt beginning to alread suffer from the constantly reducing sunlight as we enter winter. Therefore they are hallucinating new forms company performance. Since this is based on imaginary asset only form of measurement shows an imaginary overvaluation of the company based on assets that can't even be named. This is particullarly interresting when you consider the parent holding companie assets are the companies it is holding, however are not being taken into account in this creative new way of assessing a companies value based on assets. I suppose that in order to be that creative you do have to sacrifice holdings as assests in order to create a davaluation argument so that the PPS will fall and alow those making the argument for over valuation then be able to buy at lower PPS, assuming anyone buys into the new creative system and sells out at a lower price based on fear of being over valuated so want to get out now before it collapses. Very creative.
Have you or others noticed that over the few weeks that when it goes down a penny or two during early trading and until around 1:30 or, then it starts back up to finish the almost even. Sometimes a little grren, sometimes a little red but almost always close to open. CAN YOU SAY MANIPULATION?
That's nevada county, CA.
My my prickly are we? Just trying to save you some time. The dots have come and gone. I'm sorry you missed the coach. Have a good day now, ya hear?
If you will look back a few months on this board you will find that this has already been discussed.
R/s once only. That as posted a little earlier was part of the demise of machinetalker and the then CEO, not JN. I EVEN POSTED THE 8k . It would help us all if you would read and understand the facts rather than posting I think type statements.
My point is, if you belive there have been naked shorts operating after a r/s ( which is illegal) you should be reporting then to the SEC., along with factual information pertaining to the events. Broad statements here serve little purpose.
Will the real allin stand up please.
ALL-IN888 Thursday, 11/13/14 03:53:59 PM
Re: Madtownchick4 post# 25094
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Company "Diluting" selling shares!
As much as I dislike r/s would you please provide some backup for your claim? I'm having a hard time visualizing what you are stating. Just don't see what you are saying.
Nor have I. And the argument that it only goes badly for companies with bunch of zeros after the decimal point is presumptive with no facts to back up hat statement even if the statement appears to be in support of sltd.