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OK ...guys...everyone with several millon shares and an ave of 15 or lower now buy a millon shares at the next highest ask price (I did yesterday)! and take the 7 and 8s bids off?
Some 10/20 millon can move it closer to 10...otherwise we risk that it goes down 6,5,4,3 and the MMs are going to ruin our positions.
Who are these longs? I, for example sold some 25k twice (at 0.180 and 0.176) but kept more than 300k (and am adding again).
I was tempted, but stayed long as most other "longs".
Which "longs" are you referring to????
We all know that a good entry price is relativ: I for my part (though hesitantly) added another 25k shares (to a total of 375k) at 0.13 yesterday and I definitely know the whole history of this stock. Most shares I got in the 0.03s and low 0.04s...and yet adding (or opening for others) little positions now as before brings superb chances, with little risk.
Hello Cuin...relax during the next 2 exciting ECIG weeks. Thanks
thanks Bjdev....appreciated!
Right,...so why in his otherwise great post does he embed s.th. that makes no sense?
But is being enacted until wednesday the latest (see 8k).
Great post
but you meant that here would be no 2nd RS later down the road after the one that is initiated now to take place on or before March 24th, I assume?!
It specifically says in the 8k that RS will be carried out no later than 3/24.
1) How do you align that with RS not happening
2) w/o RS there are no shares to comply with the deal
Is the earth going to be destroyed till the 24th (if the 8k is for real that is the option to avoid a RS :)
Sell at a dime with 50% gains and get in right after the RS....maybe not you or me but lots of short sighted or nervous people will do that
Don't you think the price may well be between 5 and 10 cents in the next days because the the shorts will have super low bids...and yet, no one wants to buy at higher prices....and lots of people with low AVE (such as mine or yours) will just sell around a dime and make good gains and re enter after ......end result SP collaps over 3 days?
That is the hope....yet the shorts will have super low bids...and yet, no one wants to buy at higher prices....and lots of people with low AVE (such as mine or yours) will just sell around a dime and make good gains and re enter after ......end result SP collaps over 3 dayse.
I hope you are right but logic can similarly suggest otherwise
So with the RS coming next week (quote): "shall in any event not be carried out later than March 24, 2015""...isn't if fair to assume that no one wants right now to buy at higher PS but that lots want to cover and some sellers unload and, thus, the PS may very well drop to 5 to 8 cents this week ???
OK...so the reverse stock split shall (quote): "in any event not be carried out later than March 24, 2015"".
So amending yesterdays post I suspect it will be next monday/tuesday that the 10k will be released, too.
Since the vote I expected the RS to be happening asap but I am now wondering why the before-mentioned 10day (various people on this board referred to such a rule?!) notice doesn't apply.
I totally understand what they are doing, I know its legal....but it is comical that it is allowed to promise what you don't have while knowing that you have something soon that cuts the promised number in pieces and yet not spell it out. That is just so funny, and absurd, and would never pass by Mr. Spock or any functioning brain either. Try to set up such a contract in a pre-nup and the spouse would think your sick.
So I promise you 500 apple slices (but I still call them pies)because even though there are 300 pies which are not mine, soon I will have 270 pies (2700 slices) and the baker allowed me to cut them up in 10 slices each???
Totally illogically...that is not normal human intelligence.
Thanks though for trying to justify the absurdity in these laws.
Not really ...since then they should only promise 50 apples if they rightfully assume they have 300 (minus the 30 we own) apples soon.
Totally illogical....supreme court issue:)
That is not my point/question but...
how can you legally promise right now 500 apples when right now there are only 300 apples(which are not even yours)?
Or how can set up a legally binding contract with numbers that will be available in the future (thats something the supreme court should deal with :).
I'm a scientist but I did not know that the legal financial system is that corrupt.
Always good to have at least one knowledgeable "informer".
Thanks
Still...how can they right now, even if its just "hypothetical and not excercised", allocate about 500.000.000+ shares/warrants when they there are only 300mls AS (all OS also). Its paradox and sounds legally completely impossible?!
1) correcting a typo in my previous post "....thanks for listening to a long since end dec (350k shares, Ave 0.066; flipped only once 50k) who only started to contribute here because the communication is getting out of control soon..."
2)adding to previous post the suggestion to pay attention to the likes of Bjdev, Honeycomb, the [recent :)] Apostel, Cuin etc. and also other intelligent posters even if some of them get occasionally too enthusiastic AND
3) IGNORE THE CROWD [to be recognized by lack of analysis, primitive diction, confronational desires]
Get well through the next shaky 2 weeks. GLTYA
I think management discusses the scenario to announce RS (1:10 0r 1:20)and ER (10k)in the same time frame (+/- 24h) on March 31st/April 1 (Tuesday/Wednesday so not too close to a friday) and to implement within 10 days thereafter. They need the shares available for financing and the higher price and little volume to have less volatility and better response to PRs.
Also, IR told me today that in previous calls they they did not disclose a 10k release to be happening on the 16th, but that today would be the deadline for filing unless an extension would be required. So all this hype was self inflicted.
This board has to recover, too (from all the redundant discussions and accusations and unnecessary duels). Otherwise, you guys cause harm to the SP and keep newbies away.
Thanks for listening to a long since end dec (350k shares, Ave 0.66; flipped only once 50k) who only started to contribute here because the communication is getting out of control soon.
Thanks for considering
I agree...why do they not know by now...otherwise they should say that they cannot disclose it but inform about these two options (10k vs. ext. till midnight)? Esp. since they are coming in at a time that the company should have the best IR firm possibly, and ECIG investors need straight info?!
Great...thanks...do you by chance know in which time frame (within 24h etc.) it has to be made public??? (obviously, I did not feel that I can press investors relations on this)
Yes according to IR they will either by midnight today file a 10k (which we likely would see tomorrow morning), or request an extension (which we possibly might not know of right away, other than not seeing a 10k).
Called IR: BECAUSE (as known here already and being public information) they are accelerated filers....thus, by midnight today either 10k, or extension has to be and will be filed by ECIG.
(they do not know which one, as of yet...and have never given any different info to callers!!!)
Called IR: by midnight today either 10k, or extension has to be and will be filed by ECIG (because, as known here, they are accelerated filers)
(they do not know which one, as of yet!!!)
Good question....and no reply?...yet hundreds of irrelevant posts here.
Maybe everyone should show restraint to only post twice a day unless its really important.
That would help the cause instead of new readers turning away due to irrelevant overload.
Hot St. probably called just as you and see Ihub board as confirm.
I don't say its not going to be released. I say that if there is a chance for delay we should learn beforehand to prevent a price drop down to 0.1 ps. After all thousands read Ihub and only few other sites...not to forget that 2nd is yahoo fin board where people are really distructive!!
Sure...just in case there is a delay this info should be mediated instead of possibly a negative chainreaction tomorrow (doesn't hurt to call but if you are 100% sure its afterhours, fine then)
Tx
Hi Cuin
Was it you who called IR twice last week to inquire about the Er and they told you it will be released on monday? If so, I assume you called or planned to call this morning once more???
Never place market orders (not retractable, not editable, only limit orders...good luck monday morning. I hope its just to add to your position and not too big of an order?!
STOP LOSSES????
Fidelity investments (active trader pro platform) do not permit stop loss, trailing stop, or stop/limit orders for this security.
Why are you guys mentioning stop orders often???? Which trader (or their MM) allows it????????????????
That is the problem....
I am not talking about the reasonable investors; I am talking about the day traders (and nervous wrecks) that caused the 65% decline last week. They expect nice run ups for possibly weeks before RS announcement...and thus when it comes "to soon for them" might initiate the selling blizzard again.
You are def. one of the "informers" (sorry)
I was wondering about the immediate effect on day one (panic retreat by retailers right in the morning etc. just like last week).
Even though I know it would recover based on all the ecellent point you detail I would kill myself to hold all shares once again through a massive two day decline (while all the flippers would make big money and get back in right after).
I agree that over the course of days that would come true. BUT i was wondering about the immediate effect on day one (panic retreat by retailers right in the morning etc. just like last week.
Even though I know it would recover I would kill myself to hold all shares once again through a massive two day decline (while all the flippers would make big money and get back in right after.
Big Question to the informers (Cuin, Yerboss, tbone etc)::::
1) What are the chances that they could announce next week TOGETHER with the earnings that they plan the RS including a nearby date??????
if so
2) would that in your opinion not create a sharp instant retreat in SP(then shorters could take advantage and induce a 30-60% downspiral again)?
Please try to objectively answer
Appreciation
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Ok...great...I just want to caution that even if it was not released right on monday it doesn't change the positive overall outlook.
However, in that case we might have some nervous wrecks once more which could lead to a chain-reaction downwards again (for no good reason).
So everyone: positive releases soon...maybe as early as monday but likely at some point next week!!!!!!!!!
Hello Cuin2,
thanks for your work here. I lost track of which attendee from the meeting said that (dan said that) ER would be released on monday. How reliable is this and is this info backed up by a second person?
Thanks
01234 was the low of the day (6 months more to 1.2345)
Congratulations to this board, the moderators and ~ 10 core informers (such as tesla, cuin, tbone, yerboss etc).
From aligning the voting percentages with the shares that were OS on the ref. day, it is utmost clear that the retail investors both, placed the crucial votes to tip the RS YES over 50% while keeping the AS below. Apart from rallying retailers to vote per se, this outcome is really an amazing accomplishment.
So you decided indirectly that ECIG has a future (not in the fear of going bankrupt AND NOT IN THE HAND OF THE BIG SHOTS following their own agenda).
GOOD JOB