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Wolf,
Just caught your post. Heres what I show as of 5:21, 4/26/2007. Does this make my verbal discription any clearer?
C/P from acct:
Symbol Qty Price Mkt Value
BHUB# XXXXXX N/A XXXXX
Sorry if I didn't do a good enough job with the discription.
Nez
C/P = cut and paste, sorry.
PS the XXXs I put in.
DMOST,
That seems to be more in line with my past observations and many posts I've read by other people about how those who want to induce selling might operate.
JMO,
Nez
One good thing about this whole FUBAR, from our point of view anyway, is that this is the first time in our trading days when we are as ignorant as most other traders about a subject!
IMO, I don't think you can suffer a "margin call" if you don't have a margin account. When I spoke with ST they said at worst I would recieve a "worthless letter" if I wanted in the event my shares were to become so. At this moment they my account is still showing a value of .0025 - .0026.
FWIW,
Nez
tuna,
If it makes you feel any better which I dobt, since the "halt" Scott has been showing "N/A" for price and the total value of the BHUB# shares if divided by .0025 approx.
FWIW,
Nez
FWIW,
My Scott home is showing no change in PPS.
However, the streaming ticker is showing the .0001.
The following is the Scott trading disclaimer.
This may account for why the account shows no change but the ticker does. The ticker is not the reliable point of reference, the account balance is. Probably wrong but at least this is some speculation as to the .0001.
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Some food for thought and something to consider; I have seen the ticker be wrong or not relflective of reality, far more than I have with the account balance sheet. I have no more clue than most as to what this means.
JMO,
Nez
mrwiggle,
I like this answer. This is what I believed and still do. This is why I feel that if it turns out differently, many will not want to trade on-line anymore and IMO the on-line brokers should feel this a threat to their business.
JMO,
Nez
TY fridge - EM
Hey, obviously we are all here till it trades so why kill each other verbally? Lets focus on DD and find out whats really going on.
JMO,
Nez
clairity, you are good - EM
Elvis,
Now that you remind me I believe you are right but I only got to see a shorthand transcript of it as I couldn't get into the interview site.
Someone will remember and set the record straight.
FWIW,
Nez
Lender,
Check Art G's past posts. They address the issues of which you speak, time line anyway.
FWIW,
Nez
OT
tarheal, like your Intruder photo. Check this out.
Nez
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/0808_050808_soundbarrier.html
P.O.P TY - EM
Got it, EM
TY, Nez - EM
Trade,
After all of the other crooked lines I have seen during this debacle, IMO, your answer makes the most sense and would be consistant with all the other wierd stuff.
JMO and thanks,
Nez
The gap between the time when the MM can enter quotations and the release:
Two times will be displayed: (1) the time when market makers can enter quotations (2) the time the security will be released for trading.
Nez
digit,
Maybe I never noticed before but when I clicked on the BHUB# symbol on Scott, if I correctly recall, it read differently than what it reads today which is this: >>>>Bighub.com Inc (the) BHUB:OTC.<<<<<
Specifically, I don't remember seeing the "OTC" after the halt began.
Probably just didn't notice?
Do you recall?
TIA,
Nez
LHRun,
This is a first for me, sorry.
Nez
digital,
It seems that gap between the times gives "some people" a chance to get their ducks in a row? Or am I reading too much into this?
Nez
tradenride, TY, got it bookmarked now, just in case! EM Nez
Please could somebody re-post the T-( ) symbol explanation link? My brain just stubbed it’s toe and I can't remember how I got there.
TIA,
Nez
Well at least they are consistent!
Nez
TY dough - EM
digital,
Been with Scott T for a long time and you observation is more than accurate, I have seen them lag time after time.
FWIW,
Nez
Still showing T.3 here @ 8:35 AM EST.
http://www.otcbb.com/marketwatch/
FWIW,
Nez
Current Trading Halts Thursday, April 26, 2007
Halt
Date Halt
Time Issue
Symbol Issue
Name Reason
Code Resumption\Deletion
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date Quote Time Trade Time
4/23/2007 12:44:39 PHGTA PENINSULA HDG GP LTD H.11
4/23/2007 12:42:48 NCDT NET COMMAND TECH INC H.11
4/23/2007 12:36:00 FWEB FINANCIALWEB .COM IN H.11
4/12/2007 07:30:20 BHUB BIGHUB.COM INC (THE) T.3 4/26/2007 07:00:02 07:00:02
IMO, BINGO!
Nez
Got it. Let the games begin!
Nez
Selling??? JMO but over the past weeks we have seen the man at the helm of BHUB make statements in a very timely manner following a debacle. He then followed through on those statements with actions. He didn’t have to. He apparently cares about the shareholders.
For his trouble he has been called every negative name in the book and now we have another statement fulfilled with a positive action.
FWIW, I had shares I had basically written off but had to hold as they were frozen. Now after seeing his actions I for one am willing to stick around and see what else he is going to come through with nezt. IMO, let the lemmings jump and save the shorts. When the stock rebounds I won’t have to look back and look at gains which might have been.
JMO,
Nez
Here is the date of halt and 4/26/2007 listed as “Trade/Time. Also, why is there now a T-3 instead of T-1. Did I miss something? Check out the site.
TIA,
Nez
http://www.otcbb.com/marketwatch/
Date Quote Time Trade Time
4/23/2007 12:44:39 PHGTA PENINSULA HDG GP LTD H.11
4/23/2007 12:42:48 NCDT NET COMMAND TECH INC H.11
4/23/2007 12:36:00 FWEB FINANCIALWEB .COM IN H.11
4/12/2007 07:30:20 BHUB BIGHUB.COM INC (THE) T.3 4/26/2007 07:00:02 07:00:02
Cleveland Police, United Kingdom Expanding Use of FriskerPRO(R)
via COMTEX
April 25, 2007
GEORGETOWN, Mass., Apr 25, 2007 (BUSINESS WIRE) --
Paradigm Tactical Products (Other OTC:PDGT.PK), a leading provider of non-lethal defense and homeland security solutions to corrections, law enforcement and the security industry, announced today the Cleveland Police, United Kingdom, are expanding their use of the FriskerPRO(R) hand worn metal detector.
The Cleveland Police, located in the United Kingdom, polices an area 230 square miles, divided into four territorial police districts: Hartlepool, Redcar & Cleveland, Middlesbrough and Stockton. The Cleveland Police oversees a number of potentially hazardous sites, which include but are not limited to one of the largest and busiest ports in the United Kingdom in terms of tonnage as well as two prisons including Holme House category B prison.
Chief Superintendent Graham Cummings is quoted as stating, "Cleveland Police have been using the Eazysearch / FriskerPro metal detector for the last seven months within the custody suite environment. The Officers and staff have found the equipment easy and comfortable to use and we feel as a tool it is of great help in securing evidence, ensuring the safety of staff and detained persons. I intend to expand its use within the Custody Environment and present it to the Force to consider using in the patrol environment."
Camilla Cutler, Business Manager for Paradigm Tactical Products said, "The FriskerPRO(R) is gaining increasing recognition, nationally and internationally. Establishing a long-term business relationship with Eazytext, to distribute the FriskerPRO(R) throughout the United Kingdom, has enabled customers such as Chief Superintendent Graham Cummings to incorporate this tool in their daily searches. Paradigm anticipates increasing awareness of the FriskerPRO(R) throughout the United Kingdom."
About Paradigm Tactical Products
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Safe Harbor Statement from Paradigm Tactical Products, Inc.: Statements in this press release concerning the Company's business outlook or future economic performance, anticipated profitability, revenues, expenses or other financial items, and network or service offering growth, together with other statements that are not historical facts, are "forward-looking statements" as that term is defined under the Federal Securities Laws. Any forward-looking statements are estimates, reflecting the best judgment of the party making such statements based upon currently available information and involve a number of risks and uncertainties, including the timing of any expansion of the Company's database, and other factors which could cause actual results to differ materially from those stated in such statements. Risks, uncertainties and factors which could affect the accuracy of such forward-looking statements are identified in the public filings made by the Company with the Securities and Exchange Commission, and forward-looking statements contained in this press release or in other public statements of the Company should be considered in light of those factors.
SOURCE: Paradigm Tactical Products
Nez
type in the symbol. I see it too.
JMO,
Nez
http://www.otcbb.com/asp/OTCE_Short_Interest.asp
Maybe this is why there are so many doom and gloom scenarios being posted. The Professional traders may know something we don't and if there are people who are short on the stock wouldn't they want the shares, in what ever the form is, to "drop like a bomb," or maybe start throwing ideas out there so that people's imaginations begin to run wild with worst case scenarios planted in their minds from posts so that when/if trading resumes, "people will be running for the doors," screaming the sky is falling? One way to ensure you don't have to cover if you are short is to scare the heck out of as many as possible so they sell, sell, sell when trading resumes and they will be selling based on emotions driven by inaccurate ideas that have been tossed out there to take root in the imagination.
I am very intrigued why there are people posting negative comments about the stock at the same time they say it is dead. This makes as much sense as an increase in “short positions.” I thought this would be over by now but it is since its not, I have to keep watching.
JMO,
Nez
TELA .. has filed 10K
You all have probably seen these posts from the BHUB board butjust in case here they are again.
If you want to see the people who are the ones who found this information go to the BHUB board. These folks have thier stuff together.
They have my thanks and I hope yours also. Don't know how this is going to affect things but I figure folks are looking for all the information they can get. I'm just cutting and pasting thier hard work.
Nez
1.) TELA .. has filed 10K
2.) Thanks for catching that.
3.) http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/print_filings.jsp?url=%2Fredirect.asp%3Ffilename%3D0001161697%252D07....
Common shares outstanding: 2,180,690
4.)
http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?company=techlabs&CIK=&filenum=&State=&SIC=&a....
Woody,
I agree I just screwed up the wording and the analogy in my post.
Nez
Sti21,
I don't write great but I obviously blew this one.
I am not saying it is over!!!
I was trying to say that until it was totally beyond a doubt over, IMO, it is crazy to sell as long as there are things like an above average hurricane season predicted which BHUB according to some posts I have read may benefit from.
I was saying that for those who think it is over, why sell since they consider the money gone anyway when there is ANY chance of something coming out of this?
That’s what I meant. I know I am not selling since in my mind there is still "a glimmer of hope."
Sorry for any misunderstanding I may have telegraphed. I tend to ramble as I have to use a Voice Recognition program which stinks.
Nez
In for a 1/10000 of a penny, in for a (?). Can anyone be completely, 100% absolutely sure BHUB# is not going to be productive in the future? I’m not and I base this on either an excellent and well timed “dog and pony show prelude” or facts from NOAA and our country’s past experience with lack of weather disaster preparedness.
At this point we have written off BHUB as a financial loss but like someone said, “who can tell the future, got a crystal ball?” The next paragraph is from the link provided. I highlighted the last part.
Table 7 lists strike probabilities for the 2007 hurricane season for different TC categories for the entire U.S. coastline, the Gulf Coast and the East Coast including the Florida peninsula. The mean annual probability of one or more land falling systems is given in parentheses. Note that Atlantic basin NTC activity in 2007 is expected to be above its long-term average of 100, and therefore, United States landfall probabilities are above average.
http://hurricane.atmos.colostate.edu/Forecasts/2006/dec2006/
We knew about the huge potential for loss with pks and otccbb but we also were aware of the “siren song” of "get rich quick.” Being human, we knew since it would always be in the back of our minds tempting and possibly skewing our future judgments. Therefore we felt it best to get it out of the way and allocate a portion of funds that we figured would be lost but at least would give us a return in experience and knowledge.
I know I can be dumb as a brick but I knew in spite of the fore knowledge that "getting rich quick" on the pks or otcbbs, is for an average inexperienced investor like myself and wife, a long shot to say the least, if we wanted to put this temptation to rest, at least until we had learned if we had what it took to play the pks and otccbbs, there was no other way of getting it out of my system to jump in, in a very limited way. We did and apparently, got burned like others. However we learned about things we might not have learned. Things like "shells and the shell game,” "trading on greys", “hijacking shells,” and the various types of forms and the requirements for the filing of them by CEOs. This is just to name a few things. Most important, IMO are the things we learned about ourselves. Who can put a price on experience or knowledge? I have seen times when experience and knowledge were very valuable so regardless of financial loss or possible financial losses, no one can say they lost everything if they learned something.
This may sound like "self justification" for getting close to a fire I knew most likely would burn us but take it as you may.
At this point we called our Online Broker and asked what was going on and where to go from here. They can’t give financial advice but I wanted to know what to do with the shares of the BHUB# in our account. They told us to leave them there and if we liked or when it is beyond a doubt they are worthless, they will send a “worthless letter” if or when they become worthless or have no hope of morphing into something else.
Good enough as we will now regroup and pursue the next line of learning.
One thing intrigues me because there is always a glimmer of hope and that is why, if given the chance, would someone sell shares at a massive loss, which they already endured and give up an, albeit small, chance for an unexpected and positive outcome? An outcome based on thinking like this; many have prognosticated, here, based on their own experience, BHUB or what ever, TELA, TELAE etc. either won’t trade again, will become another symbol which will slowly, cyclically, evaporate or become a grey for the rest of eternity. From what I have read, in order to trade again, MMs to handle it, in what ever form, will have to be found. Why many ask would any MM get involved if there is no hint of a possibility of profit for them? Why would any MM do so?
From what I gather they would if they saw a chance for money being made.
I have read that this was a MOASS play, a RM play etc. FWIW, we played it like a free slot shot on one of the multi, million machines. But is this really as simple as that?
One fantasy I have had since I even heard of BHUB, started when I first saw the “Home Depot” commercial during hurricane seasons of past showing a HD truck making a turn from its scheduled route to go assist the victims of a hurricane or other weather disaster. That started me wondering why in places like the Gulf of the U.S. nobody has started specialty outlets or warehouses where as soon as “NOAA’s” early warnings begin, folks can get all the plywood, plywood/ sheet rock screws, duct tape and all the other essential items needed for a weather disaster right there at one point?
Granted there wouldn’t be a huge inventory selection but there would be enough supplies that “scalping,” long lines waiting your turn and other difficulties encountered when trying to quickly obtain materials for such emergencies, might be avoided. Also, since the outlet or depot would not be in high demand at times without a storm threat, with the correct preplanning the facility could be used as a place to stockpile materials which could be used by builders, contractors and other home improvement centers. This could be something like what we were accustomed to when I was a kid. We called it simply the “lumber yard.” This was pre Home Depot, Lowes era. Also since many of these “lumber yards” handled heavy trucks, many neighborhoods didn’t want them in the local strip mall where one goes to find a Home Depot or Lowes today. They were almost like a barn and the greatest specialty was if they offered the option to have large pieces of lumber cut to approximate size. After realizing the forecast for storms this year is higher than the norm, there is a better than average chance that the demand for such a line of stores, lumber yards or warehouses will be there. I even thought this was something FEMA might consider giving a helping hand to form especially after Katrina. No one can tell me our governmental system works now as a friend I spoke with whom recently volunteered to go to the area, told me it is far from even partially recovered and the real story is just starting to come to light. It is a story of apparent mismanagement of a system which was totally inadequate from the start.
Well it may be another smoke and mirrors scam but from what I understand this is what has been announced as a possibility that may involve TELA (?), but without mention of FEMA or any other government intervention.
I don’t really care what the chances of a scenario for something like I outlined exist as to my wife and I, BHUB is considered a loss anyway. If there is the glimmer of hope I will let things fall where they may and hope we come out of this with something more than experience and knowledge, which can’t be taken away. A lottery ticket always has a chance until the drawing is over and the ticket is officially rendered worthless.
JMHO,
Nez
Night all,
Nez
Folks,
Many are really trying to take advantage of this situation by gathering information previously unknown to them and then researching so they can add to their knowledge base.
I for one have turned up concepts, ideas, and other trading information of which I was previously ignorant. I can thank all of the people constructively and thoughtfully adding posts. There are many good posts but it is becoming increasingly difficult and time consuming to skip posts you know are petty, bickering, baiting or just stale and repeated information posted by disgruntled people judging from the tone of the answers.
My main problem is since the name of the original nuisance poster is contained in the post, if answered, then we are still is subjected, to a degree, to the useless or stale subject matter as it is contained in one form or another in the reply.
This negates, to an extent the utility of the ignore feature because the subject matter can’t be “filtered” by using keywords or something of the kind. I know the moderators have their hands more than full as it is so I would like to make a suggestion; lets just not answer or refer to the people who are not contributing anything but a verbal boxing match! This will benefit all of us in the event that we will need to know ASAP when the stock starts trading.
This situation is one very high speed, high flux situation and also one with a very high probability of an unpredictable outcome. IMO, we need all the lead time we can get and if the board is cluttered with irrelevant posts, we will likely miss something or at least be late noticing it.
This I guarantee, the MMs won’t miss any crucial developments.
With all the talk of bashers paid or otherwise, why chance humoring them or ensure they get paid. How often does one need to read the same thing before they realize this is either pure hate, jealousy or is being done intentionally to distract people? Why take the chance of playing into the hands of the negative?
My knowledge about MMs is all speculation but it is obvious how easy we will be distracted by a “cluttered” board. Maybe this is their intention and maybe those who are addicted to answering them are in league with them. More speculation but when I see answers over and over to people who are on ignore, it males me wonder.
I have no one specific in mind and I do applaud sincere attempts to defend the truth or debunk obvious lies. I myself have engaged in this type of thing but only for so many posts and never on a board this “electric.”
My suggestion is to not address them in any way, shape or form. This may help ID people with multi aliases as it may be easier to notice the well established rhetoric even under an alias. What follows are boards to debate attack and bash each other and far more vitriolic boards than the following.
JMO,
Nez
Bashers Against Full Time Members
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=771
Provocative Quotes (PVQ)
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=2355
Tower of Babel (tobl)
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=2174
Talk trash about..
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=8
Talkin' Mo Trash
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=11
reptos,
Nope, I too am eating this stuff up and having fun for the first time in awhile.
Pinks and OTCBB are very tough. But in life I have found, the tougher the opponent the greater the lessons to be learned.
I have learned about concepts, learned vocabulary, learned about new and very useful DD sites, and learned many new rules and regs. and also have learned very much about human nature in the realm of trading pinks.
In addition, we all have to admit there have been some really funny personal interactions that have gone on and even continue to do so.
I made some money here but not as much as most because I didn't feel comfortable with the level of ignorance I have about trading to put more than a few hundred at risk.
Whatever happens, if we learned from this we are all ahead! I am ready to move to a new area I need to learn about and yes the monies here were basically considered gone before I even bought my first share. But the education will serve me well if I let it as I move on. I mean heck, if anyone missed one of the millions of warnings about getting involved here they just plain old looked at daily volume, saw a big increase and let dreams and greed lead the way.
All just my opinion but I am way ahead when you consider that information and knowledge have the potential to make more money where as the money one has is already at its top value. Now if you take that money and add some of what we have learned over the last weeks, then you can see that there is more to be made and much safer.
If you look at some of my earlier posts at least i have been consistent. I feel bad for all who lost money including myself because if I knew what I was doing i could have done far, far better but the sting is lessened if we see the value of real life lessons as long as we don't forget them!
JMO,
Nez