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The bigger problem is that while iHub may enjoy immunity from a state libel law, the CoB does not. He or she is not a "provider,"
Yikes!!!
And there is probably no way that a COB could be considered to be acting as an agent for the site. What if the COBs received nominal compensation for their duties?
OK, I think I can live with that.
BTW: here is an idea for you that may help to stop COB abuses. Kinda the inverse of the 5 deletes and your out rule.
If a COB has 5 deletions on a thread overturned by the admin in one month, then they are removed as the COB of that thread.
Personally, I think that the best COB will be the one who abhors the concept of censoring other viewpoints and criticism. But I am not sure that this comes naturally to most people. With that being the case, if your policy is such that if they don't take the responsibility seriously, that it can have a negative impact on them as a COB.
I think that you should consider this even if the "5 posts and your out" thing is eliminated. The cops have to be held to a higher standard.....
I don't disagree with your views, but.....why wouldn't a post that is potentially libelous be considered a personal attack? And if it is a personal attack, doesn't iHub have a policy already in place that says that it should be deleted.
Some words of wisdom to think about and live by: You won't get dirty if you refuse to roll in the mud with PIGS!
It's ok Vendit, I don't mind getting a little dirty and you are so much fun to roll around in the mud with. Plus you have that cute little curly tail.
Oink Oink
BTW: Brilliant refutation of my assertions. I suspect that your level of self delusion won't even allow you to go back and look at the evidence that it was you, not me, who started this. And if you looked closely, you would notice that it is only when you start harassing me or my friends that I bother to communicate with you at all. There is a simple way to stop rolling around in the mud with me and having the dirt under your fingernails exposed for the world to see....that's right Vendit, something even you can comprehend. Leave me alone, leave my friends alone.
For the record: I do not believe in having bull and bear specific threads. However, as some indicated here last night, they would resist having opposing on threads where they are the COB. With that, I believe that allowing an alternate thread to exist is necessary for balance. Hopefully, the alternate thread would welcome both bull and bear.
WillyWizard,
If you are talking about the Battle of the Boards thread, it was not the admin that suspended you, it was me. And it wasn't personal, I banned everyone that the system allowed me to ban. I announced it on the thread and suspended my friends and foes alike. A couple of people squeaked by because the system wouldn't let me ban them from the thread, but I would have done it to them too. Heck, I even banned Bob. I suspect that it is only on that thread that you were banned.
I was feeling capricious.
Bob,
on the listed stocks page there are a lot of different categories and there is a fair amount of room for confusion.
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/hub_cats.asp?grp_id=1
The following classifications are a good example:
Computers - Networks
Telecommunications Hardware
Telecommunications Networks
Computers - Networks has:
CSCO
ELON
XTND
GBNE
HSAC
NTAP
Telecommunications Hardware has:
COMS
BRCM
CORV
JDSU
LU
NXTV
NOK
PCOM
PLCM
QCOM
SCON
Telecommunications Networks
T
AWE
ATTL
BLS
COVD
ENGSY
FCLX
WCOM
MCOM
SCII
NWLL
NXTL
NT
SBC
FON
PCS
VZ
WFII
The telecom networks group appears to be focused on service providers, but the word "Networks" in the computer section implies networking equipment. And then Telecommunications Hardware, is also networking equipment.
Can "Computers - Networks" and "Telecommunications Hardware" be combined? And does it make sense to change "Telecommunications Networks" to "Telecommunications Service Providers"?
Damn, foiled by my own damn rules.
Jeomonye
their reason for posting to drive a stock price down.
and your reason for posting is to drive the stock price up. Why is their goal any less valid than yours?
this is my point, if iHub allows the silencing of the bears, it will have no credibility. However, if you look at Bob's history, he was never really a big fan of the stock touts.
Anthony does provide valuable information and does good research...no question about it. And though I am not a real big fan of his style, I think that it would be absolutely the wrong thing to do to silence him.
I know what he said about this site, but the only evidence that I saw was opinion.
And it is very clear that there are people who only want one side of the story heard. Who think that they know what people want and need to hear. Scary stuff.
I may just have to delete your post since it doesn't fit into the thread guidelines.
Jeomonye,
so you would support a separate thread for IFTP for the "bashers", or even one that would allow any type of post (within the TOU) to co-exist alongside your thread, so that they could have a place to post their views?
JXM
if you spend all day posting negatively about IFTP on that board then i will delete your messages
If he spent all day posting positively about IFTP on that board, would you delete his messages?
A big vendit Kissy??? what does that mean?
Why don't you refute what I have said Vendit? I have seen you on a couple of threads talking about how you came over to iHub to get away from the people who were harassing you over on SI, but yet you seem comfortable harassing other people here on iHub...not to mention your little private message campaigns on SI.
Perhaps you would like to show me where I initiated contact with you, let alone made the first sludge filled post to you. C'mon Vendit, you are such a great guy and you are being victimized by us crazy yahooligan morons, why don't you present some evidence? Could it be that it all goes back to you starting this crap on my thread?
Considering you initiated the septic sludge style posting toward me and my threadmates, it is awfully hypocritical of you to claim to be taking the higher road with this being the case.
And so you have been here a couple of weeks longer than other people...your characterization of others who have less tenure here is condescending and absurd.
I think that he may have called me a hooligan too.
I believe that Bob deleted the post. Vendit basically implied that I was a moron.
Still waiting to see if iHub can work for me. I have the utmost faith in Bob's integrity and I know that he will be working to make the site a great place. But it (the site) has a lot of baggage and I want to see where it goes.
And remember, my good friend Vendit, you threw the first virtual punch here. Your good guy/victim role is wearing thin. You keep posting about how people came to iHub to harass you, when all evidence is that you feel compelled to reach out and harass a few key people.
I don't feel compelled to match every thread that I created on SI over here on iHub.
thanks!
Here it is Vendit...come on and re-post your stock related message to me where you show your self control and non-personal attack style of posting that you are so critical of.
This is one of the things that I object to most about the COB concept, now the evidence of your non-aggressive, non-SI like, pleasant style of posting is gone. Poof, now everybody can still think you are a nice guy.
Posted by: JXM
In reply to: Vendit who wrote msg# 452 Date: 4/16/2001 3:52:00 PM (ET)
Post # of 565
I have found that it is only people who wish to detract from a Chairman's intended flow of content that are displeased with this innovative concept. Being on topic is something that you will no longer find Yahoo or SI threads to be. You will definitely find IHUB's threads on topic.
My opinion is that if someone doesn't have the people skills in which to keep a thread on topic without the use of delete button, then they are certainly not qualified to make an objective judgement as to whether or not a post should be deleted. Though I guess I could see where it would be useful if you had somebody who would absolutely refuse to quite harassing another member even after repeated requests that they do so.
But, I guess that is to be expected in some cases. Remember the movie "The Stepford Wives"? How the men wanted this utopian society and they created robot replicas of their wives? But trying to create a controlled environment where the flow that the Stepford Husbands wants never really works. Because most of the time, they can't live by the rules that they expect others to live by either.
As a Chairman I like that a lot. The people who post seriously on the threads also like this approach. They are all here for the same reason that I am here, to get away from people who can’t control themselves and cannot post in a pleasant way.
Boy!!! Don't I know that. I had this one guy come to my thread here on iHub and try to take over my thread. He didn't want to talk stocks at all. Even started calling my other thread particpants names and harassing another who asked him to leave her alone. So, now where to we go to get away from people like this who can't control themselves and cannot post in a pleasant way? I mean, seriously, what if people like that were actually allowed to be COBs here on iHub???
Since I am one of the people you are referring to I feel free to respond to your complaint.
Taking it awfully personal there aren't you Vendit? Last I looked there were three people who could delete posts on that thread.
Is grubbing legal on this thread?
I have found that it is only people who wish to detract from a Chairman's intended flow of content that are displeased with this innovative concept. Being on topic is something that you will no longer find Yahoo or SI threads to be. You will definitely find IHUB's threads on topic.
My opinion is that if someone doesn't have the people skills in which to keep a thread on topic without the use of delete button, then they are certainly not qualified to make an objective judgement as to whether or not a post should be deleted. Though I guess I could see where it would be useful if you had somebody who would absolutely refuse to quite harassing another member even after repeated requests that they do so.
But, I guess that is to be expected in some cases. Remember the movie "The Stepford Wives"? How the men wanted this utopian society and they created robot replicas of their wives? But trying to create a controlled environment where the flow that the Stepford Husbands wants never really works. Because most of the time, they can't live by the rules that they expect others to live by either.
As a Chairman I like that a lot. The people who post seriously on the threads also like this approach. They are all here for the same reason that I am here, to get away from people who can’t control themselves and cannot post in a pleasant way.
Boy!!! Don't I know that. I had this one guy come to my thread here on iHub and try to take over my thread. He didn't want to talk stocks at all. Even started calling my other thread particpants names and harassing another who asked him to leave her alone. So, now where to we go to get away from people like this who can't control themselves and cannot post in a pleasant way? I mean, seriously, what if people like that were actually allowed to be COBs here on iHub???
Since I am one of the people you are referring to I feel free to respond to your complaint.
Taking it awfully personal there aren't you Vendit? Last I looked there were three people who could delete posts on that thread.
LOL!!!
Do you feel that I made personal attacks against joemoney?
ng,
Do you consider the post that Josef was responding to a personal attack?
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=75810
IFTP board....gotcha, now I know where to go.
I am certain that calling someone a liar is a personal attack. And it even might be considered libel. And I kinda like her. So you are wrong that "she is HATED by posters".
OH!!!! That Janice Shell. The art historian Janice Shell, the one that owns the rail gun that can lob projectiles all the way to Nevada from Italy.
Is calling someone a "basher" a personal attack???
Doesn't she live in a trailer in Texas that is decorated with stoned birds, drinking coffee sweetened with TON?
Good point!!!
But Mark does have one or two good qualities.
Does this mean that he should favor touts?
Does who the person is, sometimes mitigate whether something is a personal attack or not? I can only think of one person that this would apply to, that Augustus Gloop guy. Don't you think that we have a personal obligation to harass him just a little bit without reprecussions???
Bob, if you happen upon a deleted message and then click "next", it will bring you to the first post of the thread. rather than to the post that would normally follow. You can get to the deleted posted by clicking on the "who wrote msg#...."
Here is an example
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=75426
yo no me gusta
Also, if you edit a message, when you update the message, it brings you to the list rather than the message that you have just updated.
lo mismo, yo no me gusta
Exception: For OTCBB and Pink Sheet issues, the limit will remain at one board per ticker. This is subject to change in the future, but I want to see how it goes with Listed and Nasdaq issues first.
Hmmmm. I would love to know the logic behind this one.
Oh wait, I am supposed to wait a little bit before I make your life a living hell.
Post this one one the cork board, cuz I will come back to it.
Note to self: create another sevu thread in a couple of weeks to test the rules.
"He just lost 98.217% of his credibility? Wow!"
yes, but 98.217% of zero is the same as 50% of zero.
"I wanted to create a site that always kept the community in mind"
Hi Bob,
In my opinion, this is a key point. And one that needs to be looked at. Specifically, what kind of community do you want it to be?
Compare it to the 3D world. You have your nice suburban neighborhoods with different types of houses with different colors on the same street and occassionally, you may have a disagreement with one of your neighbors because they don't mow their lawn often enough, or play loud music, but essentially you have a community that defines itself.
Or you can have a planned community where every house or condo looks the same and is the same color and you have "associations" who tell you that you can't paint your home a certain color or plant a tree because it is not in the plan. And their are never any complaints about loud music, because the screening process doesn't allow undesirables in. Basically a community that is defined upfront.
And then you have communities where everyone plays loud music and has graffiti on their walls and never cuts their grass. A bit of chaos.
Some people like living in a chaotic community, some people like planned communities where there is never any discord and nobody complains about one of their neighbors because those issues have to go through the owners association. I find both of those types of communities equally distasteful.
I hope that iHub does not become a planned community. Sometimes people do things that deserve comment from the others in the community. Sometimes it is ok to voice your opinion that they need to cut their lawn or fix the roof or stop playing loud music. And sometimes neighbors will disagree. This is real life. This was the beauty of SI in its hey day. It was a community. It had warts, it wasn't perfect, but it was a community. And then the city council moved in and started digging up the streets and and disrupting the community. The residents were fine up until then. That isn't what was broken. And in my opinion, that isn't one of the things that needs to be addressed at iHub.
Provide the streets, sidewalks and utilities, But please don't build our houses for us so that they all look the same and then try to resolve all of our differences before they happen. There is no way that I would live in a planned community in 3D or in 2D.
This is the single biggest issue that I have with iHub.
But please do fix the danged login timeout issue.
Well, with you here, we have at least one.
No flannels before you go over there and post a message so that it gets to the top of the hot list and give ole Bob a good little advert.
rules is rules.