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Well you should do some reading on the subject
Believed what? The saddam thing, no never did for a second, by the way when Massoud got assissinated the weekend before 9/11 I was worried something was up, of course I didn't envision 9/11, I figured some sort of an attack on foreign soil, but I knew something was in the works, it just seemed that Bin Laden was doing a favor for the Taliban, and I knew he had to be getting something in return
The U.S. government got screwed on national television the day of 9/11, pretty hard to hide that, days after 9/11 we all saw the mistakes, laziness, lack of coordination between agencies that had been committed and they were tough to swallow, sure the government tried to quiet down their part in that in their ineptitude, but they have not done a great job of it, most americans know the government screwed up, and it ain't just bush, it goes back to every president since carter
Yeah I know no other politicians even ones with noble aspirations did not try to make money, yes oil is a factor in the iraq war, but if you think it was the only reason then you are a simple thinker, the whole neocon strategy has little to do with money, it is a philosophy of how they think they can reshape the world to spread democracy, now of course once the decision is made they are going to exploit the resources for their corporate buddies, which is wrong, but you can see it from their side when they say hey none of the allies wanted to fight iraq so american companies should get all of the contracts, well they should not have been no bid contracts and while I don't care if any european companies get a shot since they didn't shed any blood, save a small number of casulties, the iraqi people should share in the rebuilding of their own country, that is definitely wrong
and by the way Clinton did the same thing in the summer of the 2000 election, gas prices were rising so he tapped the strategic reserves
Ed give them time, they can turn your next trip to the john into a conspiracy
Based on what,haha, you are a funny one, bush is screwed, Kerry has made him look silly this week, my favorite was Bush saying that the right track wrong track was better in iraq, kerry campaign has already used that in an ad
what a clown bush is, we got people dying left and right and he says the right track is better than in america
Not that lying schmuck eom
Yeah no kidding Rooster that is why this liberal media talk is all a lying game
A Bush supporter owns CBS
General Electric owns NBC, the same company that builds planes for the military, no wonder they and the rest of the liberal media were so gung ho about war
Disney owns ABC, yeah so liberal that they refused to put out Fahrenheit 9/11
Don't you understand the media is all corporate owned, they are about making money, even CNN which of course slants left under Ted Turner was treating the war like it was a movie, but beneath all of that there are journalists who try their hardest to press whatever administration is in power, because the press is one of our last checks on power, without them the government could get away with pretty much anything they wanted
I didn't see this so called liberal media leave Clinton alone, all we heard about was Whitewater, Monica, etc. It is a lying tactic by right wing radio to say the liberal media, it is a myth, money motivates the owners of the newspapers and channels, within that framework you have journalists trying to do their best to press the current administration and put them through the ringer, of course news will be biased, it is impossible not to be, but as a newspaper or channel you try your best to present both sides
I mean anybody watching the media right now can see the treatment Kerry is getting, they practically gave up on him last week, now that he is evening in the polls they are starting to say maybe he has a chance, but if this was a liberal media he would have not gotten the treatment he has received
This so called liberal media played non stop swiftboat attacks for 2 weeks, who is kidding who here
Just because all governments lie it does not translate into a government killing 3,000 of their own people to justify an attack on iraq that they did not even set up right, hey I got a master plan let's create mass destruction on our own soil and have 15 hijackers be Saudi, yeah that would be really good for us, nah you're not worried about our business relationship with the saudi's right, nah, but hey we want this to be blamed on Saddam not the Saudi's, oh boy that is right, hmmm, how come we took all of this time to plan this and we didn't think of the most obvious, wait why we did arrest that moussaio guy, he was the 5th hijacker on the capitol plane, damn, why did we send that other hijacker back after the immigration officer stopped him, oh shoot why did we stop bin al shib from getting into the country, and how did we not whack that agent who sent out the phoenix memo, oh damn, why did I have Condi read me a PDB that said Bin Laden determined to strike america, how could the CIA write that, why would the FBI head testify that Ashcroft didn't want to hear about terrorism, the FBI was supposed to be in on this, damn, we had Clarke's book for six months, why did we not kill him, and that damn O'Neil, he revealed that we were obsessed with Iraq from the start of 2001, yet we were so obsessed we forgot to set up saddam for 9/11
what a plan
Excaliber who are you, the f6 and easy of the right, your theory is just as hogwashed as their theory that the government did 9/11
Islam does not stand a chance of taking over our government let alone Europe's
oh maybe i was mistaken, didn't you call me a tic again
F6 why don't you be specific, anyone can talk in general scare terms, now there are a lot of things I am worried about if Bush gets relected, but this dark creepy world where we los all of our freedoms is not one of them, I mean let's be realistic we are not going to go under a biblical law
so be specific what do you think is going to happen and give us the way it could happen, like what pretext would these laws have a chance to be implemented, and don't forget the Supreme Court struck down a lot of the more tougher aspects of the Bush war on terror, they even threw a bone to the detainees in cuba, that is one of the reasons we had to release one of the american born taliban to saudi arabia
now the majority of people practicing islam are peaceful, but there is a radical wing of it that is evil, hostile, aggresive, all of those things, and in particular wahhabi madrassas preach hate against the u.s. and israel, now certainly these radical islamists are not going to take us over, but they will kill as many americans as they can
I guarantee Bin Laden will not be caught before the election, I know that goes against your conpiracy theory of life, but sorry it ain't happening
hahahahaha, woooooo, f6 better look out the government is spying on you right now, they know that you know that they know what you know
just out of curiosity what website told you that a radio tower he was working on had a perfect view of abu ghreib, you mean someone actually climbed up there to check this out, you guys are too funny
i guess the terrorists got the idea of beheadings from the army, yeah now I get it
It is irrelevant, if they killed that kid for that then certainly they would have killed the mp who ratted on everybody, you conspiracy people are funny, you make these wild assertions about how diabolical the government is, yet somehow they are so diabolical and skilled that they take all these chances but let abu ghareib come out to the public
they supposedly pull off 9/11 and cover it up, but can't keep a torture by 7 people quiet, wow they did a great job of coordinating all of these different agencies who never cooperated so great before, but they got them all to come together for the wonderful task of killing 3,000 americans and knocking off the twin towers and pentagon buildings, and not one of them spoke out, not one of them had a conscience, yet this great skill of pulling off the biggest crime in history could not be duplicated, nope they couldn't cover up a small band of torturers, oh my god, how is that possible
they go to all of that trouble, when you throw crazy conspiracy theories out there, we are allowed to laugh at them and make fun of them, and no f6 that is not a personal attack, we are making fun of your theories not you, if you can't handle it then don't post them
it does make us laugh though
Easy do you speak arabic, funny how F6 likes to say that I claim I know everything, but both you and f6 constantly make declarations about things like they are facts
First of all the major lines that the 2 particular experts refer to are not even the lines that speak of bin laden's culpability
Secondly I have done work in translations of a different language, if you had done some work you would realize that it is very common that two different translators will have a different translation of the same speech
There have been other experts that have verified that the lines that go to Bin Laden's culpability are genuine
Also you think that it is a fake Bin Laden, just because you think that doesn't mean it is fact, in my opinion there is no doubt it is him
When you grow up and can argue a point without getting personal, give me a call
Anyone know how long an arbitration could take, I know it is impossible to gauge the exact time, but based on the size of the case can anyone guess a time frame range
yeah presumably being able to see a commanding view of the roof, every picture of abuse was taken indoors, even the media can't see inside with their 100 cameras, besides the fact they didn't kill the guard who ratted on everybody, and if they were going to kill berg they would have did it and dumped the body in a river somewhere, they wouldn't have put it on a video
I just don't get why you have to have every detail answered, you are never going to get that in life, it is impossible, there could be questions about every situation in life
and the funny thing is if the u.s. was that diabolical you would not even hear about an abu ghraib, wmd's would have been planted, there would be made up or real evidence planted to make 9/11 look like it was from saddam, I could go on and on
I didn't study it to tell you how well it was synched, I think due to the far away shot it would be hard to tell, you don't have to move your mouth to scream, you don't even have to open your mouth to scream or shriek, yes the kid was a little strange, anybody going to iraq to build radio towers during a war has to be a little on the reckless side, and of course the issue with moussaiou using his email password, so hey maybe he joined al qaeda or the resistance, even if he did I can sure see al qaeda or the resistance saying let's whack this american to score some political points
but since he did die I don't want to lay that on him, especially with no proof of collaboration
anyway I see no reason for a conspiracy here, it's not like the americans need the bad publicity of a beheading, they had him in custody, if they wanted to they could have just thrown him in cuba, like johnny walker and then given him a trial
Sorry Easy but that is a crank article, I saw actual translators from al jazeera and other islamic papers and stations that are not favorable to america come up with the same translation
And this guy didn't even do his homework, the video was taken by a home camcorder, now there is another theory to who took the video, the man in the wheelchair, or the disabled muslim who bin laden kisses,
Right after that video there was one article from a European newspaper I think, can't remember, where they stated that guy's name and that he was affiliated with a wahhabi mosque, like a spiritual leader who had raised money for bin laden in the past, according to this article he was paid by the saudi government to make that video and get bin laden to confess on tape, this was payback from the saudi's, number one because they were under pressure from the U.S. and number two because of the bad publicity they were getting because 15 of the hijackers were Saudi
So the military claim they found it in a house in afghanistan, doubtful, hardly looks like a recruiting tape they claimed it was,
ok now fast forward to a couple of months ago, you will remember a story about a former al qaeda member who received asylum from the saudi government for turning himself in, and he voluntarily flew to saudi arabia and was I guess put under house arrest who knows, they show the video on american news and lo and behold who is it, but the disabled guy from the Bin Laden confession tape, wow how convenient, I think it is very possible he was paid by the saudi's to get a confession
I also have a college friend who speaks arabic who translated the same thing to me, of course just like any language some words are hard to translate, they just don't translate well literally, some expressions etc, but when it came to the confession and talking about Atta, and all of the details related to 9/11 it was dead on
Then you have the other evidence of the tapes made by some of the 9/11 hijackers professing their martyrdom that will becoming soon, talking about their allegiance to bin laden and al qaeda, etc, etc.
Either way you slice it, 9/11 was orchestrated by al qaeda with bin laden and zawahiri the key directors
Is this a free board again, what was that, an easy to get people to buy subscriptions
F6 not that I want to get into this gruesome subject, but you could the hear poor guy screaming in extreme pain, just don't get the conspiracy angle on this one
good work, yeah just what I thought another puppet, they are not going to allow a democracy, if they do then the shiites will rule and we are afraid of that, but if you didn't want the shiites ruling then you shouldn't of gone in there
so far any provisional leader has either been saudi, sunni, or former baath member, it is a joke
big mistake by the bush negotiators making foreign policy the first debate, they said they wanted that because it was his stength, yeah it is his strength because of skillful media manipulation, he is going to look stupid trying to talk foreign policy
Amy or F6 have you dug up anything on Allawi, I know that he worked for the CIA against Saddam the past 10 years, but before that he was a part of the Iraqi secret service, the Mukabbarat or something like that, where supposedly he was a hitman or ordered hits, then he had a falling out with Saddam and defected, also worked for Britian's MI6
My question, can anyone that worked for Saddam's secret service be totally trusted, is this guy a killer?
We know he was a high level Baathist, why are we having former Baathists running the country even if this guy turned
To All: I think you would appreciate this article from someone who was on the ground in Iraq and this explains a lot of the reasons why we are hated there, something I said at the start that you can't expect cooperation when there is no power, water, security, and when all of the jobs are going to american companies, 20 billion dollars go to the reconstruction, only 1 billion has been spent, hardly any iraqi's are involved in the reconstruction
it is all about greed
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6930.htm
Malko what does expensive and rare wine have to do with anything
wow bold prediction, we will be lucky if we close at 17, hope you are right and i am wrong
gotcha
Yes but every president has done the same thing, sincd FDR every president has sucked up to the saudis, now I agree that Bush has a closer relationship than any of the other presidents and leans too much their way, every president has been a slave to their oil
Every president has also welcomed dictators, same with the Egyptian president, can't see that changing much, I believe we give Egypt and Israel 300 million in aid every year because they agreed not to fight each other
It actually has to happen at times in order to keep world stability, we needed Stalin in order to defeat Hitler and Stalin killed more people than Hitler, sometimes you have to pick the lesser of two evils, one of the reasons we supported Iraq against Iran
This is one reason why a radical left winger could never be president, they have a utopian view of society that will never come true, and a radical right winger is no good either, because they think all conflicts can be solved militarily
thanks f6, interesting stuff, hopefully florida can avoid that new one
Show's how much I have been following the weather lately, I figured all of the wind and rain we got on Long Island over the weekend was the remnants of Ivan, now I turn on the news and it is still in the Gulf, but I guess I heard that it turned around, how far north did the eye get before it turned, never seen a hurricane do that
These hurricanes are crazy, I thought that one was supposed to drift out to sea, has to be the worse year in over a century for hurricanes
olddog well I guess some here do not know this because I have read a lot about how this could be another trigger
To all, I hear some of you saying that Toshiba could be used as a trigger, I thought the case was over whether Ericy was a trigger, can IDCC just interchange the companies like that, is that legal
Ok, if it is more I will take it, maybe we are on the cusp of greatness, I will try to limit the predictions for now, but hopefully a turning point will come soon
That would be a laugh if that were true, I don't understand why people are questioning it, that happens many times with different companies, no big deal, if you want to buy you do it tomorrow
Yeah I agree, don't understand it
I don't expect too much movement from this, maybe a buck or two, need nokia to take all of the skepticism off
Maybe because they knew this was going to be a rough day on the market, or maybe because another press release is coming tomorrow
Hey I posted that in August and you left it on the board, I just reposted it to show I was off by 22 days, you allowed the post in august if you had a problem with it you could have deleted it
and I didn't put any money on it, i have leaps, and yes we have heard about deals many times before and they have not happened
I already agreed to not post rumors here, but if I want to post a prediction or guess as to what is next I am just doing what everyone else here does, I don't understand the threats
mschere or whoever posted the multiple guess about toshiba or sanyo gets applauded for it, while I get threatened, all I am asking for is consistency so we all know what the rules are
dmiller, I am admitting that the past 2 predictions have not been hundred percent but have been close, just funny how it happened