Rest time:

You know it is time to rest, when you proof read your post, and still do not catch the mistakes.

Don't forget to say a prayer for the people facing yet another hurricane. These people are fighting to save their very existance.

ontheedge

Mr. Morovan:

This quote sounds like it may be the real deal. I did not have my files backed up when my computer crashed, so I do not have a copy of this to verify.

It was my hope to attempt a take over of Loch Harris. At the time of this email, not one person outside of B/B knew how far gone Loch Harris was.

I put a lot of time in to find quailified BOD people that many felt could represent all we Loch Shareholders. All my time and efforts went out the door for once I begin to realize the extent of the mess at Loch Harris.

I met face to face with Marshal Gandy in Ft. Worth. I talked many times with Mr. Gandy. I found him to be a very straight forward and intense person, who took his responsibilities very seriously.

Once again, Mr. Morovan, you like ripping the outcome of the SA, the SA that was worked on for a long time, and did get our Loch to CDEX shares converted. You have claimed through many internet boards, that you opted out to go get B/B.

Did you or your attorney ever once go to see Mr. Gandy in Ft. Worth and hand him all your evidence against B/B?

We plaintiffs had excellent attorney's who busted their behinds to bring as much justice to we Loch shareholders as they could get.

Just once, I wish you could go do something you said you would do. You say you have an attorney, and there are 7 others that could join you to help you split the cost. Go file against B/B as you promised, and get those millions you claim they have.

ontheedge

rottenapple:

Well said, when people lie about oil minerals, or getting paid to post, a host of other lies, one does have the urge to make things very clear.

I have always believed that a coward will make accusations that they know or false, or ride the coattail of another coward, by making a false remark.

I asked you to meet me in Travis county, and you and I would look into the mineral filing and stock transfer bs. I could care less if you bring a friend or friends, at some point, one of you need to step up and take a honest llok at the bs that floats on these boards.

I could care less if you have one alias or ten, I will gladly meet you or anyone who wants to check out the falsehhod concerning the minerals and feedyard.

You come on down here to Texas, and I will personally show you that if you believe this mineral bs, then your credibility is going to take a hit.

Casey, I don't know what the final outcome would be once we shared a few minutes together, but I do know you would know that the mineral bs is just that.

ontheedge

TheCiscoKidd:

Show me the post from the ihub concerning the alias ontheedge, where I said who I was or was not. tia

Still waiting on any of your lies to unfold, you know, the names that you have and the amounts of cask and/or stock they got.

I faxed copies of your post to Winston and Strawn concerning your going to the top of the chain and finding out MP had been asked to leave.

You got the names of those that told you MP was asked to leave? tia

Waiting for your list of names, Mr. truthsayer.

ontheedge

Xenophone:

Get over your obsession.

It matters not what name I go by.

I was ontheedge during the Loch days, computer went out, could not sign back up as ontheedge, so I picked up ontheedge01.

You really need to catch up. I have signed my name many times on this ihub board.

Anyone who has been here a while knows that.

Ask Mr. Morovan, he knows who I am, we have emailed and talked on the phone before, let him try and explain what you can't seem to understand.

ontheedge

sanddollar:

You boys tell me who you are, and pick a place.

ontheedge

rottenapple:

I don't have a clue who you are.

What I do know is you have made several out right lies concerning things I have not been a part of.

It is a coward who will willingly post lies about a person such as you have.

My offer to you was for you to meet me in Travis county, and we would see who was telling the truth.

So who are you?

tia

rottenapple:

You are absolutely right! They will not. Thus, one might just ask himself, if I were the SEC, what info would i ask for. If I where MP or WP, what info would I gladly hand over.

I agree with you again concerning B/B destroying records.

I also agree with you saying"most" of the loch BOD pleaded the fifth. Probably 2/3 of that board did.

I do not believe for one minute that MP or WP or HC or TS ever one time pleaded the fifth.

I cannot commit on the both ways thing you speak of, because I don't know if WP or MP should have been on any list or not. Nor do I know if they were paid in stock or cash or not at all.

Has Blair's name ever appeared on any patent's filed of record? I have never seen them.

What is so farfetched about Poteet having let Blair pop off about inventing the Tech, have you ever thought that just maybe the rub started with Blair making that statement. Do you think that the SEC might have asked the very same question? Wouldn't you have asked Dr. Poteet if you were the SEC, I surw would have. I am for certain that the SEC asked the question and received an answer. To think the SEC would not have asked that question is down right stupid. They asked the question and received an answer. An answer that I would say was backed up with writing.

What is ridicules rottenapple, is that you cannot put yourself in the SEC's shoes, and figure out that they KNOW the real truth concerning what you think is ridicules. They have asked all the questions that one can ask, the SEC approved CDEX to go public, they have approved every sb-2 that CDEX has filed. Are you still going to tell me that you cannot figure out what really happened?

I refuse to believe you cannot understand what went down.

rottenapple, can you meet me in Travis County and lets see who is telling the truth and who is not?

Do you know my dad's name, my mom's name, whether I have brothers or sisters?

Are you just another coward that hides behind a keyboard and acts like a big shot.

Did you learn anything in post 4167 and 4176?

ontheedge

Xenophone:

Where have you been, what is your real name, and where do you live?

Mr Morovan and I have discussed at length two years ago, on one of these Ihub boards, many issues, which included my participation in the settlement agreement. I do believe all know who I am on this board.

Now, can you answer the above questions,

Have you read post 4167 and 4176 very carefully?

tia

ontheedge

Xenophon:


There were no properties transferred by me or my family to anyone for anything. Nor did I or anyone in my family receive any stock or cash concerning such transfer.

I nor any member of my family have ever owned any minerals, land, surface rights, or crows nest in Travis County.

Let me add Pecos county to that as well, this will save you a post.

I cannot say it any more direct than I have.

If this Deed of Trust actually exist, it has not one thing to do with me, or any member of my family.

But I have copied your post concerning this matter, as well as my answers back to you.

ontheedge

Xenophon:

Nice try, but no cigar. Never heard of this tract, nor have I any relatives named Jennie R. Stewart.

But boy does this make for some good ole camp fire stories.

Why did you leave off the page, volume and county, and State that this was filed in?

It won't hurt you to add that bit of info, tia

ontheedge

TheCiscoKidd:

Did W&S give depo's to the SEC concerning you going there for your face to face meeting? tia

Why did the SEC allow CDEX-Inc to go public?

Why has the SEC approved every sb-2.

Why do top notch people continue to join the rank and file with CDEX-Inc?

Why do little pretenders such as you hide from the public with who they are and who they work for?

Still waiting for names and amounts Cisco.

Exactly what business did you do with W&S? tia

ontheedge

Crow3:

Where were you when FJ almost took over for Loch?

Are you kidding me, amazing.

ontheedge

Xenophon:

There are no such mineral (oil) rights on several properties or one property that me or any member of my family transferred to Loch Harris. Another falsehood.

But you can sure prove me to be a liar if you can post the volume and page number and county that these minerals changed hands. Be my guest and post the transfer.

Did you make this up yourself, or, are you the puppet for another, tia.

ontheedge

rottenapple:

Why don't we let the SEC tell us where any monies went. They have the depo's, they have any in and all papers that could be found, including lab notes and objections.

I was plaintiff rottenapple, i was not about to not show up for any court hearing.

I am in the red on Loch Harris, I have been caring a red total for several years on Loch Harris.

What is the big deal if WP and MP were paid? I am sure the SEC knows exactly the footprint that WP and MP have had with Loch Harris. Claiming the 5th was never part of their footprint.

What would be strange about the inventor of the Tech, not wanting to work for Boone and Baker? What would be strange about MP discovering the type of people he is working for, and decides he is willing to take the Tech, at whatever the cost to get it, and start clean with the SEC watching every move.

I just wish MP and WP could have met before MP got mixed up with B/B and WP got mixed up with B/B. Oh my, how things would have been so very different.

Keep thinking SEC, DOJ, and FBI. They have all been to the lab in Tucson, years ago. A good reason why they have never filed on CDEX or any of its Board or employees.

ontheedge

d4diddy:

1) Why don't you ask Mr. Phillips. How hard would that be.

2)When I talked to the law firm, their story was not the one you are spreading, try talking to them face to face.

3) No, did anyone else who was reading the pr's and telling their friends and family get excited about the pr's?. Did you not believe in the pr's in the beginning. I thought the company and it's board were on the up and up. I am sure at the date of the post, MP thought exactly as others did. My RED flag came when I heard they were selling their Oklahoma oil field, you remember, the one that Mark Baker had valued at 40,000,000. When I picked up the package, the sells price was 200K, boy did I smell a rat.

4)No, ontheedge did not lie, I know what the truth is concerning the time frame you speak of. The SEC knows the truth too.


Why don't we just let the truth guide us. You have posted falsehood after falsehood. You have distorted story after story. What is your real angle d4diddy. Why is it so important to you and TheCiscoKidd to type the falsehoods you do?

You must be throat deep in crow feathers, your job security must be on the line if CDEX becomes successful. Or, maybe you applied for a job at CDEX and during the interview it was discovered that your qualifications were a bit on the low side. Thus, you were turned away. As you have noticed, your bio better be impressive, and yours was not.

Whatever the reason is, it is a shame that you trash a company and their people to the point you do. It is classless, non-professional, cowardly, and ignorant.

ontheedge

d4diddy:

Could you post the cover up story, tia.

Have you and cisco founf any names and amounts of any settlements yet.

Or how about posting where some of those millions went to, tia.

The lie was........... verified by.......... and the motive was......... tia

I am sure you have the answers to your post.
'

ontheedge

TheCiscoKid:

"Well, let's see... " Your right, at which end of the table were sitting at?

"Hmmm... remember when Boone," Could you please provide one shread of real evidence that Baker , Boone, Phillips, or Poteet actually put dollars in any account anywhere?

"Now, Boone, Baker Phillips" Really, did you get that directly from the SEC. That we shareholders are locked up. Interesting word to use, "locked up".

"Still not selling" Time will tell about selling and salaries.


"Now that Boone, Baker," Still waiting for your real proof any of these guys put dollars in any account anywhere.

"Ahhhh... a nice fresh start..." Still waiting for you to produce names and amounts of these settlements.

"Let's all keep our eyes" Not a bad idea.

Come on Cisco, have you got any proof of anything?

Your all crow, those are just the cold hard facts.

ontheedge

Crow3:

Back to the old aliases, why list only two of them. I have many according to some.

You are not to well educated on registration approval's are you. But thats okay, it really matters not. The point I was making, and you made it better, is that the SEC wants the paper work correct.

One cannot tell you if CDEX made one or 21 revision's, that matters not either. The point is, they stayed the course and got it done.

Let me correct a distorted point you made, I never said the SEC is breaking their Butts to assure a minor OTCBB company makes it big, I said CDEX is busting their behinds to make their company profitable. The SEC has made sure their filings are correct.

I never said the SEC is promoting CDEX, I said they gave them approval. If anything, the SEC has been harder on CDEX, than they would have another company. Most of us do believe we read, and saw things that the Loch Harris board wrote and did, that were not right. But if the SEC finds no wrong doing from Loch Harris, then so be it.

Mr Morovan has posted very direct alligations about many people, what comes his way will be because of what he has typed on the boards. You should know that when you say it in writing, it is not noted for record.

ontheedge

Mr. Morovan:

Why would I threaten you, are anyone else. I just pointed out facts that you have posted on several boards. If your words bring on hard a hardship to you and your family, it will be of your own doing.

I for one believe that censorship by litigation is a very effective right in our country. Just as I believe strongly in our right to protest against someone or something.

There are lines that one can cross with the words they say or the actions they do. If a court agrees, then a punishment is delivered. Have you ever noticed that when two people take each other to court, both sides think they are right. It is a Judge or jury that makes the determination of innocent or guilty.

We all have a free will Mr. Morovan, you have certainly acted upon yours many times, as others have as well.

What I believe you and others have failed to grasp, is the extent that the SEC has gone through to be sure CDEX is following all the rules. CDEX was on the radar screen from their beginning, and still are. They have been looked at with many microscopes, as they should be.

Who wants another Loch Harris, I sure don't. The SEC does not want that either. It takes very little effort in ones attic, to realize the effort CDEX has went through with the SEC. The SEC filed on Loch Harris, they spent untold hours in face to face encounters with many people. Looked at lots of paper work that was not lost. Some people really do keep good notes, while others somehow misplace all sorts of important paper work.

ontheedge

rottenapple:

Your killing me when I read that you are asking me if Loch Harris paid MP or WP.

Why don't I ask you if the SEC thinks Boone and Baker are innocent.

Why would I think you are gullible?

Do you have a problem with WP and MP getting paid for services they performed? What is the $$$ point?


Will read your reply in later.

ontheedge

rottenapple:

It is good you can type your opinion, so noted.

Your first sentence makes no sense, maybe you can try again.

The court was were all the opinions were given, I think you know the verdict.

Good point about how people got paid at Loch Harris, not even the accounting team could find that info from Loch Harris. Not even the SEC could find any financials or accounting from Loch. I sure cannot come up with any financials or accounting from Loch Harris. Maybe you can get Me. Morovan to go get that info.

I would think that Loch Harris paid MP and WP for the work they did, then again, if memory serves me correctly, the attorney for Loch Harris, claimed he was not paid for all the work he did for Loch Harris.

I am not trying to sell you or convert Mr. Morovan, cisco, or 4diddy.

Why is it so hard for you to see that the SEC approved CDEX to go public, and has approved all sb-2 filings. Hey, if it is good enough at the SEC level, one would think CDEX is doing something right. It is worth noting, that while the SEC still has a possible investigation on going with Loch Harris, they have been very favorable to CDEX-INC.

ontheedge

Mr.Morovan:

You have opted out, would you go after the Loch Harris board. Can you find one charge you can make stick against them?

I was in the court room and have seen the totals, just as you have. A shareholder either agreed with the SA, or they opted out. There was not a third choice. The court document I have, states 7 names that opted out, with an eighth name opting out after the deadline. That document is on file.

You at least got the part about me participating right. I was not transparent, I was there in person at every meeting or on the phone during conference calls. I was never a no show.

Unlike you Mr. Morovan, I found no corruption in the court, among the attorney's, from the Judge, from the SEC, or any other area that you have so posted and stated. Your postings are so well documented, it would not surprise me to see them show up in book form in several places.

The SEC already has the truth Mr. Morovan.

ontheedge

TheCiscoKidd:

Did you ever sign a NDA with CDEX? You have signed and NDA at some point in your life. Why does a person sign an NDA?

Did you participate in discovery during the DA or CA?

Did you attend any of the court hearings concerning the SA?


Mr. Stewart did not approve CDEX to go public, the SEC did. Mr. Stewart did not approve every sb-2 filing, the SEC did.
Mr. Stewart did not approve the SA, the Judge in Austin, Texas did, along with 30,000 shareholders.

You claimed to have helped yourself. Five plaintiffs helped 30,000 shareholders.

Thus, you have never been anywhere facts were at, yet you have all these detailed stories about............... nada.

ontheedge

Mr.Morovan:

You are the one distorting my average price. I paid $2.50 for the first shares I bought. They were 50 cents, until the 1 for 5, which took the price to $2.50.

So now average my price I have for the original Loch Harris shares that were the exchange shares.

Oh my, lets not look at the real and complete picture, lets do it the distorting way, the way that sheds your point of view on it.

My average in this company with all my stocks together is in the red. My hope is that in the future, CDEX stock will be much higher than it is now.

I am not in a profitable position, nor have I been at any time on all my shares. But you go ahead and distort the facts, you and Cisco and 4diddy seem to have a good talent for that.

The conflict of interest that you and cisco and 4diddy talk about cannot have two sides. On one hand, all 3 of you say that CDEX is Loch, only a name change, if you believe what you are saying, what difference does it make if I own stock in both companies, none.

You will not allow yourself to understand, the real facts, just as cisco and 4diddy will not. You three where never a part of discovery, so I once again will state that I understand why you grasp at straws.

There was no chicanery, no one was used, and all ex Loch Shareholders have their cdex stock.

Mr. Morovan, in order to dodge questions from the Judge of the court, or from the lawyers in the court, you have to be not accountable. Which means, you are not present. I was there, you and cisco and 4diddy were not. This fact will always shed more light on who was willing to face any question that was asked and be accountable for their actions.

To come to this board is not about nerve Mr. Morovan, it is about discussing what 30,000 people agreed to and 8 did not. It is about 5 people who went after B/B, when no one else would, it is about a CEO, who took up the fight for shareholders and a cause he believed in, it is about our federal agancies, who have turned over every rock there is to see if fraud was committed, it is to see the truth prevail over all else. Which is exactly why the SEC has approved each and every sb-2 and other filings that CDEX has filed. Once again, it is an undeniable fact, that the SEC has approved every filing of CDEX.

It is also an undeniable fact, as you posted, that Loch Harris was not cooperating with the SEC, and the SEC so stated those facts.

CDEX and Mr. Phillips have cooperated at ever level there is with the SEC, and the facts back that up.

You may continue to distort, maybe you have monetary reasons to do so. My hope is today, as it was years ago, that we ex Loch shareholders and CDEX shareholders, see CDEX become successful.

I think it is very clear that the SEC is approving the course of action that CDEX has filed as well.

ontheedge

Mr. Morovan:

Do you have any idea what many of us have as an average price per share, which includes the Loch Harris to Cdex exchange shares? Of course you do not.

You don't take into consideration points that go against your many false assumptions as to why things went the way they did.

There is not one pper in cdex , who was also a Loch Harris shareholder, who would have been so much better off, had Loch Harris made it. No reason to beat that very dead horse. Loch was so very lost as a cause.

Our average share price is much higher than the share price of CDEX today. Or the highest price it has been.

I would contend that there are more CDEX shareholders who bought CDEX on the Grey sheets at 30 and 40 and 50 cents, who were willing to risk some money and have made good profit, and could sell the shares the next day, than those of us who paid as high as $2.50 per share and had a one or two year selling restriction.

I have read your frustion on and off for a few years now Mr. Morovan. I understand your position better than you could ever know.

But for anyone to claim there has been this big secret plan, to allow a few select to profit, with no goal of the CDEX company to be successful, simply is totally false.

There has been so many predict so many things that CDEX could never get done, only to see CDEX get it done. CDEX is company with good leadership and outstanding employees, who are as committed to the success of CDEX as a person can be.

The SEC has had the best view of the inner workings of CDEX and their people. The SEC has continued to approve and will continue to approve any and all filings from this company. This company and their people are dedicated to bringing CDEX into profibility.

ontheedge

Mr. Morovan:

The easy way out was to let Loch Harris die, and the Technology along with it.

ontheedge

Mr. Morovan:

The size of a company has nothing to do with correct reporting and integrity. Right is right and wrong is wrong.

I have signed NDA's as you well know. Do you understand what an NDA provides for, I am sure you do.

NDA's are facts, not opinions, and I intend to honor the NDA's I signed.

ontheedge

d4diddy:

Once again, if you know of names and amounts, post them. Otherwise, your just throwing stuff around that has no merit or truth.

I have no reason to play any game. I know of not one person who CDEX has paid one dime to for threating a lawsuit.

I have thought as others did for quite a long time, that if the SEC could take the Loch boys down, they would.

What the SEC has done over the last 4 years, is to give CDEX the approval of every filing CDEX has made. The reason CDEX was successsul with their filings, was because they answered every SEC question.

I believe there was some very questionable accounting, stock sales, press releases and lost boxes, that Boone and Baker did. But if the SEC did not find what Mr. Morovan's post said in the litigation statement, then so be it. If the SEC and their resources cannot find fraud, then the boys will walk.

I truly believe the SEC finds CDEX and its board to be "honest trustworthy people and would never lie." Afterall, stop and think how much paperwork the SEC has seen filed by CDEX. And how much paperwork, they never saw from Loch Harris.

ontheedge

Mr. Morovan:

Loch Harris was trying to let the company die, and with it our money. CDEX has actually taken real investor money, not made up money in pr's, and has moved the tech forward and is keeping the chances of many shareholders alive.

I guess many people think that employees and filings and office space and supplies, are just free of charge.

Not many understand what has happened to date, and what it has taken dollar wise to get there.

ontheedge

Mr. Morovan:

Enron had a CFO, Halliburton has a CFO, having a CFO does not mean you have fair and correct accounting practice.

Which was my point back then and is today, you really need to realize that every word that has appeared on every form that CDEX has turned into the SEC. The words and numbers and people, have been looked at carefully.

ontheedge

Mr. Morovan:

If a person or entity inspects the accounting and/or financials of a company, does it have to be reported?

ontheedge

Mr. Morovan:

Loch Harris had a CFO named Mark Baker.

And your point is?

ontheedge

d4diddy:

Right.

Your are so right, what were we ever thinking about. The SEC is in constant contact with CDEX, and has been for 4 years now.

My gosh, the SEC must want 30,000 shareholders and many ppers to get ripped off by this ongoing scam that you and Cixco talk about.

The FBI and DOJ and SEC are in on the scam, they provided most of the start up money to CDEX, they need to recover their funds.


MP and the scamsters have bought off all 3 letter agencies. They have a license to steal.

Amazing, what a couple of hicks can type on a board.

ontheedge

scarenomore:

What do financials actually show. What is full accounting of a company do.

Why do you think Loch stopped reporting financials and lost their accounting ledgers.

Why did the accounting firm say they could no longer trust the Boone and Baker.

With all do respect scared, every penny has to be accounted for.

If Cisco was detailed, we would know who got a settlement and what was received, cash and/or stock. He has provided neither.

He also claims that MP is still under investigation by the SEC, do you believe that lie as well.

ontheedge

TheCiscoKidd:

Filed or not filed, settled or not, if a Public company pays a shareholder or debtor, for a claim or bill, it is reflected in the financials.

ontheedge

Crow3:

I am sure you know the difference between shop talk and real events.

You know of a "cover up", go ahead and make our day, post it.

Otherwise, really try and learn what open and honest actions mean when put to the test. Of course, one does need to know how to open and honest to the test.

Did you really understand the sentence you quoted. Have you actually ever been part of a negoiated suit that never reached the court room?

Naive, the word really fits, but then again, you would need to know where it fits.

ontheedge

TheCiscoKid:

No, Cisco, I said it like I meant it.

Switching gears Cisco, by bringing up the silly answering the magic email? Lets keep focused on your settlement lies.

We thank you for the names and amounts of all the data you gave us.

Scared, I hope you see this person for who and what he really is.

"Now, when you learn about settlements and how they are to the advantage of companies to keep "information" from going to court and becoming public knowledge, we can discuss your inaccurate theory."

Cisco, a filed suit may or may not every reach court, but it is a filed suit none the less. Any monies, and or stocks allocated to the settlement of a claim must be reported in the financials of a public company.

Let me guess your body paint colors, RED, PINK, and YELLOW.

ontheedge

TheCiscoKidd:

A public company CANNOT settle any potential claim with public or private funding without making it public.

So sad Cisco, oh so sad.

ontheedge

TheCiscoKidd:

"There have been many significant settlements between LOCH/CDEx and several groups of shareholders. These settlements have caused significant monetary damage to LOCH/CDEx through the last several years."

Name them, including the people involved. tia, Then read the last 5 or 6 sb-2's.

"These settlements were not taken lightly by LOCH/CDEx... they didn't want any bad press, or lawsuits, or more court appearences, and because of this, much of the PP sales of securties from the last year or so of LOCH, and every year of LOCH/CDEx existance, has gone to pay for them."

What are the amounts of these huge settlements? tia, Then reread the last 5 or 6 sb-2s.

Scarednomore: Do you think that if CDEX had settled ONE lawsuit with ppers monies, that they would have had to report it? Of course they would have.

What does this tell you about TheCiscoKidd?

How obvious has he painted himself on this one. Every sb-2 has addessed the fact of no lawsuits, known or pending. Any lawsuit or settlement that was brought against CDEX would have had to be reported.

ontheedge