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Looks a very good summary to me. Something you could send
to the DNC, and to other people who make Democrat ads.
LOL Sure is, just hope he doesn't run out of steam in the bigger ones.
That's what all of us who let him pass this week are saving him for, eh.
One question i'm not sure about. Do the top guys all usually play in all of the three playoffs?
Now +4. You're flying high, mick, Scheffler could snag another win for you.
B402, Putting aside the fact research says many of us have voted against our own interests forever, this year it is much more important than usual that ever more voters come to understand really where their long term interests lie. Seriously.
See again. should be: The Mass Psychology of Trumpism
"I'm sick of listening to Trump's lies and whining about this already.
That's something I agree about, naturally, but am also puzzled by. Most people dislike whiners.
So why do his culties give him a pass on that? It's so childish; he talks like a fifth grader."
Gotta be basically what Hanibal suggested
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But there i forgot 'the Chosen One' belief. And the sense of belonging. Think of the music and singing
in black churches. And the music and singing in the new white evangelistic megachurches.
The Mass Psychology of Trumpism
In the minds of his most ardent supporters, the ex-president is both more and less than a person
[...]
[ Insert: Trump Floats the Idea of Executing Joint Chiefs Chairman Milley
The former president is inciting violence against the nation’s top general. America’s response is distracted and numb.
By Brian Klaas
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/09/trump-milley-execution-incitement-violence/675435/ ]
He now urges police to shoot shoplifters.
[ Trump calls for police to shoot shoplifters as they leave the store
Candy Woodall USA TODAY
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2023/10/01/trump-police-shoot-shoplifters-california/71021289007/ ]
He has begun characterizing his political adversaries as subhuman “vermin” who must be “rooted out.”
No one should need more, still there is -
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=174527302 .. plenty.
LOL Good, eh. Now y'all know.
B402, See there, no hint of desire from you to support those in Congress, or running for Congress, who
most work toward those things you profess to support. Like tax regimes - see my latest post on that ..
Forty-four of 50 US states worsen inequality with ‘upside-down’ taxes
"Tougher on Trump the better, and - US election 2024: Where Biden and Trump stand on key issues
"Biden Takes the Gloves Off to Tear Into ‘Convicted Felon’ Trump"
[...]
Taxes
President Biden supports raising the corporate income tax rate to 28%, bringing it closer to the 35% rate that prevailed prior to Mr Trump's term. He has also proposed imposing higher tax rates on the wealthiest Americans, cracking down on tax avoidance, and expanding tax credits for low earners and families. He recently escalated Trump-imposed tariffs on China, including a 100 percent tax on its electric vehicles.
P - Mr Trump is pledging across-the-board tax cuts if he returns to office, in part by prolonging soon-to-expire income tax cuts, along with estate and wealth tax breaks, from legislation he signed in 2017. He will maintain the corporate income tax rate at 21% and proposes a universal 10% tariff on all US imports, and a 60% tariff on imports from China."
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And you say IF.... you would vote Republican. Stuck in ideology, forever a whinger who will not vote
for those most working to do what you say should be done. There are words for people like you.
Forty-four of 50 US states worsen inequality with ‘upside-down’ taxes
"Tougher on Trump the better, and - US election 2024: Where Biden and Trump stand on key issues
"Biden Takes the Gloves Off to Tear Into ‘Convicted Felon’ Trump"
[...]
Taxes
President Biden supports raising the corporate income tax rate to 28%, bringing it closer to the 35% rate that prevailed prior to Mr Trump's term. He has also proposed imposing higher tax rates on the wealthiest Americans, cracking down on tax avoidance, and expanding tax credits for low earners and families. He recently escalated Trump-imposed tariffs on China, including a 100 percent tax on its electric vehicles.
P - Mr Trump is pledging across-the-board tax cuts if he returns to office, in part by prolonging soon-to-expire income tax cuts, along with estate and wealth tax breaks, from legislation he signed in 2017. He will maintain the corporate income tax rate at 21% and proposes a universal 10% tariff on all US imports, and a 60% tariff on imports from China."
New research found that poorest fifth pay a tax rate 60% higher, on average, than the top 1% of households
Oliver Milman
Thu 11 Jan 2024 04.37 AEDT
Last modified on Mon 15 Jan 2024 01.05 AEDT
Reliance on sales and excise taxes has helped fuel this inequality, according to the report. Illustration: Guardian Design
A total of 44 of the 50 US states worsen inequality by making the wealthy pay a lesser share of their income in taxes than lower income people, a new analysis has found.
State and local tax regimes are “upside-down”, the new research finds, with weak or non-existent personal income taxes in many states allowing richer Americans to avoid tax. A reliance on sales and excise taxes, considered regressive because they disproportionately impact the poor, has helped fuel this inequality, according to the report .. https://itep.org/whopays-7th-edition/ .
CEOs of top 100 ‘low-wage’ US firms earn $601 for every $1 by worker, report finds
Read more > https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/24/ceos-100-low-wage-companies-income
“When you ask people what they think a fair tax code looks like, almost nobody says we should have the richest pay the least,” said Carl Davis, research director of the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP), which conducted the analysis.
“And yet when we look around the country, the vast majority of states have tax systems that do just that. There’s an alarming gap here between what the public wants and what state lawmakers have delivered.”
Only six states, plus the District of Columbia, have tax systems that reduce inequality rather than worsen it, with the poorest fifth of people paying a tax rate 60% higher, on average, than the top 1% of households.
The super-wealthy are treated particularly lightly by the tax system, with the top 1% paying less than every other income group across 42 states. In most states, 36 in all, the poorest residents are taxed at a higher rate than any other group.
The most regressive states in terms of taxation are, in order, Florida, Washington, Tennessee, Pennsylvania and Nevada. The least regressive jurisdictions are DC, Minnesota, Vermont, New York and California.
Various state-level policies, such as cutting taxes on the wealthy to supposedly drive economic activity, has worsened this situation, the report found. Inequality in recent .. https://www.theguardian.com/inequality .. decades has been far starker in the US than in other comparable countries and while some pandemic-era interventions, such as increased child tax credit, lessened the burden on the poorest in society, many of those measures have now lapsed.
“But we know it doesn’t have to be like this,” said Aidan Davis, ITEP’s state policy director.
“There is a clear path forward for flipping upside-down tax systems and we’ve seen a handful of states come pretty close to pulling it off. The regressive state tax laws we see today are a policy choice, and it’s clear there are better choices available to lawmakers.”
This article was amended on 11 and 12 January 2024. Owing to incorrect information supplied to us, an earlier version listed New Jersey as the fifth least regressive tax jurisdiction, according to the ITEP report, rather than California. Also, child tax credit was increased during the pandemic, not introduced then as an earlier version said.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/10/states-wealth-inequality-taxes
B402, Again, if you have any integrity you have to vote Democrat. You cannot vote Republican. You cannot have anything to do with enabling Trump, which means you have to get off your 'Dems are shit obsession' and post more Hanauers. Think you did once, eh, i recall congratulating you for catching up somewhat, and linking others in for you. If you have any real integrity you should be on the hustings for the most radical socialistic minded people in Congress. AOC and others of the most progressive Democrats. If you have any real integrity one other thing is certain, you must change your attitude to those of all the political class who work hardest for the values you profess so loudly you care about, more than all the rest of us.
Why are the things i say about you above true. Because all the available evidence says they are the reality of the situation.
See also:
Your point about Hanauer "In this case my point about Hanauer was Everyone seems to be in agreement." was exactly my point to B402 sod knows how long ago when first getting totally fed up with his bullshit pedestal approach to this board and to posters here. This was long after when, but still goes to the point:
B402, GEE, "appearance of impropriety" oh no, of course no one here either has ever heard of it or understands it --
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Ok, some other views from early 2022:
Hey asshole-- You've claimed...
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B402, You've told us many times...
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trolls who say the same things over just to receive the same responses over and over.
You don't see the irony in YOU saying that? Like most narcissists, you...
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=168339687
.I will defend my position on them with anyone who is willing to debate them via their response...
you don't debate, you just run back to your hidey hole and claim everyone else is treating you unfairly.
ask conix...
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Those are all replies to the same post two years ago ..
Ill spend my time as I see fit, thank you..
[...]Is this now a rw board? Differing views not allowed...
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And that's more than too much on that for now.
"Wife's car ready for pick up - the absurdity is she'll just break it again lol. c u."
Know you are joking, but still am sure every time your wife's car breaks down it's not her fault.
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Now read your reply to that one above, and understand why you are seen to simply ignore all given you:
Glad to hear I'm taking up so much of your head space :) If you don't like what I say, do as I do, grin and move on to the next post....
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That should make it clear to you why you have been called asshole here.
Could you redeem yourself in any eyes on this board. You would have to listen and change. Maybe.
Ritter ended in total disagreement with Bush policy, was also seen as somewhat dicey in some ways by other experts in the game.
Richard Butler, Ritter's former UNSCOM boss, said that Ritter "wasn't prescient" in his predictions about WMDs, saying, "When he was the 'Alpha Dog' inspector, then by God, there were more weapons there, and we had to go find them—a contention for which he had inadequate evidence. When he became a peacenik, then it was all complete B.S., start to finish, and there were no weapons of mass destruction. And that also was a contention for which he had inadequate evidence."[5]
Writing in The New York Times, Matt Bai said that Butler's caveat notwithstanding, Ritter was in fact vindicated about Iraq's lack of WMDs and that the aftermath of the war could be calamitous. Bai described Ritter as the "most determined dissenter and the one with the most on-the-ground intelligence" of the situation in Iraq prior to the war.[5]
However, Bai went on to compare Ritter's insistence during his 2011 trial for sex offenses that his conduct was of no consequence to the wider community—and his unwillingness to consider a plea agreement—to the stridency with which Ritter advocated for his views on Iraq: "If there is a connection between Ritter the activist and Ritter the accused, though, it probably lies in the uncompromising, even heedless way in which he insists on his version of reality, and how he sees himself always as the victim of a system that is self-evidently corrupt. ... the very attribute that made Scott Ritter appear somehow clairvoyant on Iraq—his refusal to accede to everyone else's sense of reality—is the same one that has led him, now, to ruin."[5]
[...]
Later statements on Iraq
In February 2005, writing on Al Jazeera's website, Ritter wrote that the "Iraqi resistance" is a "genuine grassroots national liberation movement," and "History will eventually depict as legitimate the efforts of the Iraqi resistance to destabilize and defeat the American occupation forces and their imposed Iraqi collaborationist government."[32]
In 2012, Ritter said the U.S. was "bankrupt, morally and fiscally, because of this war. The United States is the laughingstock of the world".[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ritter#Reception_as_weapons_inspector
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One post from 2010 -- A good summary post, lars. REVIEW ARTICLE .. An unsafe world: Bush unbound?
A.G. NOORANI
Ye gods, it doth amaze me,/ A man of such a feeble temper should/ So get the start of the majestic world,/ and bear the palm alone. [my emphasis, lol, not Will's]
- Julius Caesar, William Shakespeare.
IT is a singularly unsafe world that George W. Bush created in his four years as the President of the United States of America. The American people have voted him to lead them, once again. It is unlikely that he will construe this as a mandate for change. Bush has torn apart the fabric of international law and undermined the United Nations and other international institutions. Worse, he has sought to create an international order devoid of legitimacy.
[...]
Lakhdar Brahimi, former Algerian Foreign Minister and U.N. Special Representative to Afghanistan, said on July 26, 2003: "The war in Iraq was useless; it caused more problems than it solved, and it brought in terrorism." Attacks on the U.S.-led forces were carried out by Al Qaeda terrorists with the support of foreign fighters as well as by people loyal to the ousted Iraqi dictator, Saddam Hussein. But there was "a large group of Iraqis who will attack any foreign occupation force out of patriotism" - an emotion American leaders find hard to respect in others. The Iraqi government will have to prove that it was not "a puppet of the Americans, which is difficult to do when there are 150,000 foreign soldiers in the country". The same holds good for the Afghan government.
Despite its colossal failures in China and in Vietnam, the U.S. has not realised the force of nationalism. Scott Ritter, a U.N. weapons inspector in Iraq (1991-98) and author of Frontier Justice: Weapons of Mass Destruction and the Bushwhacking of America, warns: "The battle for Iraq's sovereign future is a battle for the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people. As things stand, it appears that victory will go to the side most in tune with the reality of the Iraqi society of today: the leaders of the anti-U.S. resistance... . Regardless of the number of troops the United States puts on the ground or how long they stay there, Allawi's government is doomed to fail. The more it fails, the more it will have to rely on the United States to prop it up. The more the United States props up Allawi, the more discredited he will become...
"We will suffer a decade-long nightmare that will lead to the deaths of thousands more Americans and tens of thousands of Iraqis. We will witness the creation of a viable and dangerous anti-American movement in Iraq that will one day watch as American troops unilaterally withdraw from Iraq every bit as ignominiously as Israel did from Lebanon" (International Herald Tribune, July 23, 2004). Judging by past form, Bush will try to crush the revolt and incur greater odium.
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Zardiw, I claim relativity. Relative to Putin's and Trump's an ocean vs two dikes.
Zardiw, You mean i guess Fox News and lesser places like NYPost, Breitbart, The Washington Examiner.. et al
"...melt your brains with western MS media......lol........ "
And just so you know, the "fake news" phenomenon, encouraged and fed by Putin, Trump and the rest of you, is no joke.
LOL Remind him Australia has it's ups and downs too, and tell him to upset the World Champs back then was a huge deal in Australia. On coming here cricket was boring as hell for me, then again as kids we got bored with baseball. Test matches and many others still too are four day affairs. With a draw after all that not unusual.
The Packer family .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packer_family .. has long been one of Australia's most wealthy and powerful. Pretty well follows, eh. Good and bads, of course too. i mention them because Kerry Packer introduced one day cricket. One for your shopkeeper friend:
May 9 down the years - Packer's revolution
The circus gets on the road
World Series Cricket signings pose - with a fast-food clown - at the launch of Kerry Packer's venture, November 1977
World Series Cricket reeled in some big names • ESPNcricinfo Ltd
1977
The day the world's top cricketers turned pirate. That was the Daily Mail headline when the Australian TV magnate Kerry Packer's plans for World Series Cricket were leaked. John Arlott called it "a circus"; EW Swanton ended his friendship with the England captain Tony Greig, Packer's most significant signing and the man who persuaded a legion of other stars to sign up, including Viv and Barry Richards and Dennis Lillee. In the end, World Series Cricket went on for only 17 months before Packer got his wish - the broadcast rights for Test cricket in Australia - but the legacy lives on. Coloured clothing and floodlights revolutionised the game, and without Packer, one-day cricket as we know it today would not exist.
Heaps more, maybe one for your shopkeeper friend -
[...]
Other birthdays
1907 Tom Killick (England)
1945 Malcolm Nash (England)
1960 Iain Butchart (Zimbabwe)
1971 Roydon Hayes (New Zealand)
1971 Kalyani Dhokarikar (India)
https://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/54281.html
1980 Sean Clingeleffer (Australia)
https://www.espncricinfo.com/on-this-day/cricket-events/may/9
I posted years ago i'd seen the 2nd part of this years ago on the wall of a Sydney pub
Back in the 1970s an enterprising soul in England came up with an amusing explanation of cricket, clearly aimed at the kind of American tourists who buy plastic policemen's helmets and who believe that Dick van Dyke's cockney accent in Mary Poppins was exactly how 98% of England spoke (the other 2% being West County yokels with straw poking out of every available orifice).
What started as a novel marketing ploy has burgeoned into a beast utterly out of control. Thirty years on, the tea towels refuse to die, and anyone who enjoys cricket will have almost certainly been given one of the infernal things by a distant aunt or newly acquired mother-in-law who thought it would be "ideal for Christmas".
Anyone who receives one is allowed to be rude to the giver, and is also duty-bound to burn the cloth immediately.
But, as requested by some masochists, here is the text in full ...
Cricket: As explained to a foreigner...
You have two sides, one out in the field and one in. Each man that's in the side that's in goes out, and when he's out he comes in and the next man goes in until he's out. When they are all out, the side that's out comes in and the side thats been in goes out and tries to get those coming in, out. Sometimes you get men still in and not out.
When a man goes out to go in, the men who are out try to get him out, and when he is out he goes in and the next man in goes out and goes in. There are two men called umpires who stay all out all the time and they decide when the men who are in are out.
When both sides have been in and all the men have out, and both sides have been out twice after all the men have been in, including those who are not out, that is the end of the game!
https://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/page/429550.html
Your cricket fan would love it i'll bet. And if you get to a game with him, a great idea, you'll be one up on me.
B402, it's about time you understood that all of us to different extents, in our own self interest. That goes for all of us. Key is though, to different extent.
'Individuals with a superiority complex typically come across as supercilious, haughty, and disdainful toward others."
Your video held some truths, though why such a narrow focus. Why be soooo lacking in balance. Some liberals in some areas, the video is right, act and legislate against the encroachment of more housing density. You do understand, i hope, that some liberals are more hypocritical about much, including professed values, than others. You must accept the same situation exists in the conservative camp. In both moderates and extremes exist. Right. California got a brief conciliatory crumb at the end of your video, i do have an article on tab on that. Yes, i do have it when i say i have it. In California some Democrat legislators are doing their best to help ease the housing shortage.
And on taxation, again the vast majority of US states have a regressive tax system Florida the worst according to some. California among the least regressive the data says. Again yes i have evidence, in spite of the Trumpian accusation you made against me a couple of days ago.
Thing is we all live in capitalist countries. The U.S. arguably the toughest form of capitalism. Australia somewhat less severe. It's the system.
So you - start with the fact that we all act in our own best interest. Then accept some more than others. Then ask, in America do blue states aid red states more in terms of financial aid, or vice versa. You know the answer. Then why.
Then - ask, from a genuinely open and caring perspective - is it Democrats or Republicans as two big tents who work harder, and who legislate better, to preserve the safety net which helps to support those in the most need. To make things more equitable, as you profess is important to you. You know the answer.
And ask, is it Democrats or Republicans who nationally, on balance, work harder to create a more equitable and usefully informative and valuable education system. You know the answer there too.
Your video had one tiny focus, and though it holds much truth to most it would appear to be no more than ta hit on hypocritical Democrats. On hypocritical liberals. Could they have approached their concern in a more useful manner.
I say, looking at the bigger picture it is unarguable that it is Democrats/liberals more than Republicans/conservative who are making the greater effort to 'fix' the system of government you have. To make America more equitable as you say you would like it.
On balance Democrats are way out ahead.
Soooooo to Times picked comments at the top of the comments list of the Times article on your video:
Kevin McCloy commented November 9, 2021
Kevin McCloy
Long Beach, Ca.Nov. 9, 2021
Times Pick
1-There are more empty houses in California then there are homeless people, meaning the problem is that people hold on to housing as a commodity. We don't necessarily have to build more.
2-Most Californians don't live in Palo Alto. There is a class element you have forgotten. Yes the rich yuppie types are hypocrites, but most Californians live in places like Long Beach or Richmond, not Palo Alto, or Santa Monica
Diego commented November 9, 2021
Diego
South America Nov. 9, 2021
Times Pick
The US is a country that rewards economic success and punishes economic failure. The system is tailored to protect the interests of the middle class, which embodies the so-called American Dream, and punish, or at least ignore, the poor. This has always been the case, and it transcends political parties. The Republican party is just worse, while the Democratic party is just more hypocritical. That being said, many of the problems of Democratic states are of national scale, and don't lend themselves so easily to local solutions. A more successful local economy is going to create more jobs and migration, leading to housing crises, regardless of policies. But the video is right in pointing to the disgraceful hypocrisy of Democrats. The really taboo subjects of American politics are those that affect the interests of the middle class, or the military-industrial complex. Good luck in finding politicians with the courage to talk about them.
Bruce commented November 9, 2021
Bruce
Los Angeles Nov. 9, 2021
Times Pick
@Matt The editorial addresses hypocrisy. Californians who vote Democratic in many locations say they support the creation of more housing, but their actions betray what they say. In Chicago, Illinois, Democrats say they support equal education opportunities, but their behavior days otherwise.
It is hypocrisy that denies fair taxation in America, fair provision of public services, and adequate, quality housing for everyone—what Democrats SAY they want, but they support the opposite.
Look in the mirror blue states' liberal Democrats.
Lotzapappa commented November 9, 2021
Lotzapappa
Wayward City, NB Nov. 9, 2021
Times Pick
Absolutely wonderful & hard-hitting video. Since forever, the Democratic Party has been the kinder & gentler face of American capitalism, and its hypocrisy is rampant. This is in no way to excuse the even worse Republican Party, just to note the realities of liberal double-talk. It's why I hold my nose when I vote for Democrats, and why I hope, even as I know it won't happen any time soon, that another party that actually represents working and middle-class Americans will come along to challenge our two existing parties.
Matt commented November 9, 2021
Matt
Rochester Nov. 9, 2021
Times Pick
As a middle class renter, I'll never live in a red state again. Very few worker protection rights, very few renter protection rights. (And I'm sure there's others that relate to minotires or women, but I'm neither so I can't vouch for that.)
Having said that, you can't really compare Dem agenda on a national level with Dem agenda on a state level, every state has different needs and a different mix of constituents demanding different things that the state level reps must answer for. Liberals in California are different than liberals in Oregon. It's apples and oranges.
David commented November 9, 2021
David
California Nov. 9, 2021
Times Pick
What nonsense. There is no perfection in this world. Here in California we are well aware of the problems we face. We have one of the most robust economies in the world from agriculture to tech to Hollywood. Many of our problems stem from this success. I wouldn't think about living anywhere else.
Carr Kleeb commented November 9, 2021
Carr Kleeb
colorado Nov. 9, 2021
Times Pick
Boulder CO is one of the bluest cities in the US. We just voted down an amendment to allow more people to rent bedrooms in town. We banned all homeless people from downtown thru various laws and zoning so now they stay in areas prone to flooding. People proudly live 2 or 3 in a 5000ft home. Red or blue, Americans hate poor people and non-white people, and our government reflects that.
greg commented November 9, 2021
greg
Upstate New York Nov. 9, 2021
Times Pick
Maybe the problem is amount of our tax dollars that go to support red states? How about we keep our tax dollars here in the blue states and y'all in the red states learn to get by with the share of federal tax money you actually put in the national pot?
Sue commented November 9, 2021
Sue
CT Nov. 9, 2021
Times Pick
As a retired Bridgeport teacher, I’m glad you showed one of ours testifying to the problems we’ve worked with for years.
Kent Kraus commented November 9, 2021
Kent Kraus
AlabamaNov. 9, 2021
Times Pick
Not all Dems "share" the values that the progressive wing espouses. The party is a big tent.
Andrew commented November 9, 2021
Andrew
New York CityNov. 9, 2021
Times Pick
The Democratic Party is a big tent. Many of whom are center right, but love gay people, so they call themselves liberals.
I've been excoriating San Francisco for years as the biggest den of hypocrisy in the country regarding housing policy. What should be done there is what has been done in New York. Designate a few small historic districts to keep some of the old character and then densify densify densify. I suspect though that SF 'liberals' would rather keep their Victorians than watch their city grow and prosper in a sustainable and equitable way.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/09/opinion/democrats-blue-states-legislation.html#commentsContainer
The article with your video: Blue States, You’re the Problem
Why do states with Democratic majorities fail to live up to their values?
By Johnny Harris and Binyamin Appelbaum
It’s easy to blame the other side. And for many Democrats, it’s obvious that Republicans are thwarting progress toward a more equal society.
But what happens when Republicans aren’t standing in the way?
In many states — including California, New York and Illinois — Democrats control all the levers of power. They run the government. They write the laws. And as we explore in the video above, they often aren’t living up to their values.
In key respects, many blue states are actually doing worse than red states. It is in the blue states where affordable housing is often hardest to find, there are some of the most acute disparities in education funding and economic inequality is increasing most quickly.
Instead of asking, “What’s the matter with Kansas?” Democrats need to spend more time pondering, “What’s the matter with California?”
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/09/opinion/democrats-blue-states-legislation.html
The video could be a wake-up call to some, but i don't see there is much in it
which has not been posted about in similar vein on this board. Or course
to duplicitous conservatives as you it's a tonic. I understand that too.
B402, Agree some of us have been telling you for yonks the way you were posting here was silly.
Heh. Doesn't take away at all from the brilliance of it. Congrats, Buckey ..
Yeah, top stuff MasterB... Well doing, sire.
Sure will. Has always been in any top 20sy-olds to watch lists.
B402, You came here slamming the board, piling on posters and condemning Democrats virtually every post.
"Nor do they like the world as its shaping up, democracies failing or under threat around the world and here at home...Dare say and or point out any culpability of the dems and outrage begins.......Its just all those shithole types, right?.....Not exactly the equality dem were once known for, but one glaring reason for the division we all face."
Criticism of the Dems is posted on the board by others, including Democrat supporters. Valid criticism. It's not your criticism as such, it's more the absurdity of so much of it. Like you missing shithole was all Trump's initially, so it is thrown back at you people.
It's simply the every single post obsession of yours. Your "any culpability of the dems and outrage begins" is another example of your constant whine. And it is invalid. You are straight out of the boy who cried wolf fable. After a time you become little more than a toothache.
I've thought what DesertDrifter has mentioned regarding education and effort before, just not said it. It's something you really must consider. It's being as informed as you can be and checking yourself before you post. Metacognition .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metacognition .. it's called. I'm sure you have been given like it before. Though as again you have been told repeatedly by a number here, you seem to ignore all given to you.
As DD most lately has said we all make mistakes. We admit them. You never do. Trump never does. Trump would be blasted on this board if he posted here. He would not be treated any differently than you are. Likely worse. Because he does not offer as much as you can. But some of your worst, your comment that i was well known for saying i had evidence of stuff before i had it. That is pure baseless Trumpian.
You, like Trump, come over as having a victim mentality.
Will finish here saying your 10 posts today to now is a much more palatable number that your exorbitant excess on other days. .
Again, exactly -- "[...]...They just move on to the next attack and with virtually no standards of behavior (or decorum) they pile bullshit on top of bullshit. I think part of it is education, as once someone learns to sift through information and reach the proper conclusion, having their outlook means they can blurt out anything, but in an academic setting, it would mean failing the exercise and flunking out. We have several "F" students in the critical thinking cadre represented by our trolls. So the divide is not easily crossed, and it leaves us almost speechless, as getting lectured by a dumbshit magat is repulsive to people trained to think.
I have observed that the non-trumpster repubs are still conservatives, but are bright enough to reject... "
Can relate to that. LOL Guess what is being repeated at length here this morning
20 World Cup 2024: USA pull off dream upset over Pakistan in Super Over to remain unbeaten in tournament
Captain Babar Azam top-scored with 44 runs off 43 balls to help Pakistan post a challenging total of 159 against
the United States at Grand Prairie Stadium in Dallas in the 11th match of the ICC T20 World Cup 2024.
Written By: Sumeet Kavthale
@sumeetkavthale
New Delhi Updated on: June 07, 2024 2:18 IST
Image Source : AP USA players celebrating against Pakistan in Dallas on June 6, 2024
The co-hosts United States of America pulled off one of the biggest upsets in the history of T20 World Cups on Thursday, June 6. Monank Patel-led USA defeated Babar Azam's Pakistan in an absolute thrilling encounter that went into the Super Over at the Grand Prairie Stadium in Dallas. The two teams ended the normal 40-over contest tied on 159 after the USA made 11 from the last three balls of their 20-over chase.
The Americans went first in the Super Over with Aaron Jones and Harmeet Singh collecting 18 from the Super Over contest against Mohammad Amir. Only 10 of those runs came from the bat with Amir missing his line and lengths and bowling some wides.
Iftikhar Ahmed and Fakhar Zaman came to bat with the former India U19 World Cup pacer Netravalkar bowling to display his discipline. He gave only 13 runs and also got the wicket of Iftikhar as USA romped home by 5 runs in the Super Over.
A win took the hosts to the top of the points table in Group A, replacing India with four points in two matches. The USA, playing their first ICC World Cup event managed to outclass the Pakistani side in every area to mark their name in the cricketing world.
Earlier in the game, Pakistan's top order witnessed an embarrassing collapse against the USA's pace attack. In-form skipper Babar Azam and all-rounder Shadab Khan added 72 runs for the fourth wicket with the former top-scoring with 44 runs off 43 balls. Pakistan managed to rise from 66/3 in 10 overs to post a 159/7 total in 20 overs.
Nosthukosh Kennjige claimed three wickets for 30 on his return to the starting eleven while Netravalkar bagged two for 18 for the USA.
Chasing a tough target, the USA lost opener Steven Taylor early in the powerplay but captain Monak Patel and no.3 Andries Gous added a 68-run partnership for the second wicket to put USA on a track for an easy win.
But Pakistan made a stunning comeback in the death overs with greedy spells from the pace trio of Naseem Shah, Shaheen Afridi and Mohammad Amir to restrict the hosts to 159/3 in 20 overs.
However, the Super Over thriller exploited Pakistan's poor fielding efforts and leaked crucial runs which proved costly. Monak Patel bagged the Player of the Match award for top-scoring with 50 runs off 38 balls.
https://www.indiatvnews.com/sports/cricket/t20-world-cup-2024-babar-azam-pacers-shine-as-pakistan-record-comeback-win-over-united-states-2024-06-07-935615
LOL Big effort!
Agree, pile the pressure on. Yep, Lesley handled like a champion.
conix, The crass implied misrepresentation in the "serious side effects"
"The researchers noted that serious side effects of the vaccines have been recorded,
including ischemic strokes, acute coronary syndromes and brain hemorrhages."
was noted in the first two comments. It would bitten the first two as it did me, and i wonder if you now wonder
why it didn't affect you the same. The 3rd reply added (why just repeat) the thought that without
the vaccines being developed so quickly serious excess death would have been in the
millions more. Wonder why that didn't strike you either.
I would have thought by now we would be spared forever more anti-vax junk from any suspect origin, such as the NY Post.
And without the required link??? Yet again.
Zardiw, Putin is reasonable? In what way exactly.
Agree. Australians tend to relative modest over garish, more times than not.
A thought just now on the wearing of them, maybe they wear them so
that they lie under their shirts so don't flop? Just an impulse guess.
Crybaby, punkass, snowflake is right. Thanks. Missing that one would have been a loss.
Well said. Objectively very fair. To link to
B402, You are kidding, eh. I give you good evidence of your 'telling others what they think' bullshit, now you ask for evidence of you misinformation mastery. I really thought you knew yourself better...
[...]
Ok, asshole, here you go:
And , where is the confirmation? You are too well known for searching for confirmation biased articles just to take your word for it especially for this subject after what I just saw and posted...........
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That is one of your worse, because it was a totally false personal attack. Something you pulled out of your butt in toto. And be assured, it will always be one of the nails in your ban decree if and when one arrives on your doorstep again. In fact at that time, as i told you there, i was in the process of creating the post ..
[...]
In short, you continue to be blatantly dishonest by ignoring all factual information given you.
Your ignorant and patently dishonest trolling here will not be tolerated without further interruption.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=174341621
You of course, as per your norm when hit with irrefutable truth, ignored it.
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and B402's reply
'Asshole' eh,,,,,,Didn't see any misinformation I posted.....Do recall pointing out ghost ships for Iran are way up and so is their oil production....w links to verify btw....So no need to apologize
Am sorry you feel the way you do though....
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All which complements some of what you said to him.
And B402? "Does anyone show more disdain, disrespect and contempt for others than Trump? His defamation conviction confirms it."
Does anyone here, including other trolls, show more disdain, disrespect and contempt for others than B402?
Think about it, B402, you are undoubtedly reading this when you see it, who haven't you
shown disdain for here except Jordan Peterson, Bill Maher and the occasional other.
On reading the first of yours i thought good, he's finally getting to know himself as well as we know him.
Yes, B402, am talking to you here through blackhawks because i said earlier i had finished replying to you today.
Tomorrow i will add a small comment on your video and, again, you.
I thought felonies were graded, and one who knows said no first offender had ever got jail time for a felony of Trump's level.
Ok, it depends on the state ..
https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-defense/felony-offense/felony-classes-charges-penalties , figures.
So maybe the guy was talking about NY specifically.
Anyway, take it from this kangaroo pouch Trump will not get jail time for his hush hush.
And if he is elected not for any of the other crimes he's already committed.
Sudan - Darfur - South Sudan
"Pursuant to my first reply - 'The World's Worst Humanitarian Crisis': Understanding the Darfur Conflict"
Related:
Development in north and south Sudan - interactive
South Sudan is set to become the world's newest independent country on 9 July. Here we take a look
at key development indicators on population, health and education for both the south and the north
http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/interactive/2011/jul/07/north-south-sudan-development-indicators-interactive?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487
South Sudan is already a divided nation, Omar al-Bashir warns
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Background
Sudan is the third-largest country in Africa, behind Algeria and Congo. For decades Sudan’s people have experienced civil war, genocide, drought, theft of the country’s natural resources, and autocratic governments.
There are several political regions in Sudan. North Sudan essentially controls the rest of the country. Darfur is a three-state area in western Sudan. In 2011, the south part of the country became independent as the new country of South Sudan.
Ethnic diversity has fueled some of the violence in the country. The government is controlled by the northern Arab minority, while the rest of the population is African. This division, Arab or African, is based on self-identification: on language, culture, belonging to specific tribal or family groups, and on livelihood patterns, yet nearly all Arabs and Africans in the North are Muslim in faith.
Since the end of British colonial rule in the 1950s, Sudan’s rulers have been members of the minority Arab population. Like most minority governments, these autocratic leaders have controlled through repression and violence.
North-South Civil War and Independence
Beginning in 1983, the northern government fought a brutal twenty-year civil war with the south. Over two million people were killed and four million more were displaced.
This conflict was largely portrayed in racial and religious terms: the Arab Muslim north against the black African south, which was largely Christian and animist. However, the conflict was essentially over control of the south’s resources – fertile land and oil.
The northern region is largely desert, broken only by the Nile River corridor. The south has grassland, swamps, and tropical forests – and oil. Fully 85% of Sudan’s oil is in the south. Sudan also has vast gold fields.
But identity was the opportunity for marginalization and disenfranchisement. There is a legacy of slavery in Sudan. Hostilities between the Arabs in the North and Africans in the south and west led to the northern Arabs enslaving Africans. Although slavery was officially abolished in 1924, the Arab government continued to deprive Africans of an equal voice in government and of equal access to resources.
The US became involved in Sudan during the civil war in the 1980s. As the death toll rose to 2 million people, many of whom were Christians, American Christians contacted their elected officials.
By 2005, President Bush became involved. He ultimately led the Comprehensive Peace Agreement, the CPA. The CPA called for the north and south to share the wealth and power; for national elections; for democratic and military reforms; and for a semi-autonomous government in the South.
The South voted overwhelmingly for independence in 2011.
South Sudan in Crisis
Fighting in the south broke out almost immediately after independence. The conflict was between South Sudan’s president Salva Kiir and his ethnic Dinka supporters and Vice-President Reik Machar and Nuer people. Although this is portrayed as an ethnic clash, like the face-off in the previous North-South civil war, it was a fight over power and resource control.
Image courtesy of European Commission DG ECHO is licensed under CC BY-SA 2.0.
In 2011 the United Nations Mission in South Sudan (UMISS) entered with 17,000
peacekeepers. The UNMISS mandate has been extended to March 15, 2024.
[ Insert: Better than nothing i reckon -
United Nations Mission in South Sudan
https://unmiss.unmissions.org/news ]
The violence in South Sudan has escalated tragically, with 800,000 internally-displaced people, 75,000 refugees, thousands of people dead, and 3.2 million people in need of life-saving assistance.
The Darfur Genocide
Darfur is a three-state regional area in western Sudan about the size of Spain. This is the site of a third Sudanese crisis. This area has been hit especially hard by increasing desertification.
As desert areas expand, it is increasingly difficult for herders to find places to graze their animals. The herders encroach on farmers’ lands, and the result is often a violent battle over the land.
In Darfur, the nomadic herders are Arabs. The settled farmers are Africans. At the local level, the conflict is about basic resources – both the Arab grazers and the African herders need land and water. The Arab government wants the land from the Africans.
[UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA - AFRICAN STUDIES CENTER
Who Is an Arab?
WHO IS AN ARAB?
W. Montgomery Watt and Pierre Cachia
https://www.africa.upenn.edu/K-12/Who_16629.html ]
At the regional level, the conflict is portrayed as a tribal or ethnic conflict, with the government inciting the Arabs against the Africans.
The national level is political. Oil is the foreign direct investment that provides money for weapons, which bring power and the ability to attack people and grab their land. Whoever controls oil and other resources gets the power.
In 2003, some African rebel groups attacked a government post in Darfur in a desperate effort to urge the government to provide roads, hospitals, and schools. The government responded with a genocidal campaign not only against the rebels, but against all non-Arabs in the Darfur region.
The result has been Rwanda in slow motion. Since 2003, at least 300,000 innocent civilians have been killed in Darfur and more than 2.5 million people have been displaced from their homes and their villages.
Sudanese government planes bomb villages using Russian Antonov bombers. An Arab militia known as the Janjaweed, meaning ‘devils on horseback,’ enters a village to kill, torture, poison the wells, and burn the villages.
The government recruits Arabs who are motivated by racial hatred, small amounts of money, and the government’s promise that they can take whatever they can find in the villages – including the women and girls.
The large weapons, such as the bombers, are bought from Russia; smaller arms are bought from China using money from oil sales.
Image courtesy of USAID is in the public domain.
This catastrophe has been going on since 2003, and deaths and displacement continue to escalate.
The United Nations had a hybrid peacekeeping force in Darfur called UNAMID, the United Nations Assistance Mission in Darfur, comprised of 25,000 troops from the African Union and the UN.
UNAMID concluded in 2020.
People in Darfur protested the end of UNAMID.
But it had been determined that the Darfur conflict was resolved. In place of the UN peacekeepers, the Sudanese government would protect civilians, deliver aid, and mediate any further conflicts.
Prosecutions for the Darfur Genocide
Efforts were in motion to hold the worst of the genocide perpetrators to account. In March 2005, the UN Security Council referred the situation in Darfur to the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court.
The Court issued indictments against seven people accused of leading the violence.
On March 4, 2009, the Court issued an arrest warrant for Sudan’s president Omar Al-Bashir on 5 counts of crimes against humanity and 2 counts of war crimes.
The next day Bashir expelled 13 aid agencies, including Doctors Without Borders, the Red Cross/Red Crescent, and the UN World Food Program.
A year later, Bashir was indicted for genocide, the first sitting head of state ever indicted by the ICC as well as the first to be charged with genocide.
[ In pretrial stage until .. https://www.icc-cpi.int/darfur/albashir ]
Although the violence and ongoing inequalities in Darfur remained unchanged, but in 2017 the Trump administration revoked some U.S. sanctions against Sudan.
He ended the 20-year trade embargo, lifted the asset freeze, and moved towards normalizing relations.
Image courtesy of Osama Elfaki is licensed under CC BY-SA 4.0.
Protests and a Coup
Massive citizen protests against Bashir began in December 2018 over rising bread prices. The protests morphed into calls for him to turn the country over to civilian rule.
Tens of thousands of pro-democracy protesters took to the streets of Khartoum, the capital, in early 2019. Bashir used his two closest generals to quash the uprising: General Abdel Fattah al-Burhan’s Sudanese Armed Forces, the SAF, and Gen. Mohamed Hamdan Dagalo (known as Hemedti) and his paramilitary troops, the Rapid Support Forces.
But in a surprise move, the two generals joined forces, turned on Bashir, and deposed him.
They formed a military-led transitional government and announced that it would rule for two years. They suspended the constitution and dissolved the government institutions. The people were told that Sudan would soon prepare for “free and fair” elections.
The announcement drew more protests.
After the Coup, 2019-2021
For the promised two-year period, 2019-2021, there was a degree of military and civilian power-sharing.
The situation shifted in mid-April 2019, with increasing power going to the civilians. Al-Bashir and two others indicted by the International Criminal Court were imprisoned in Sudan, and the civilian prime minister, Abdalla Hamdok, agreed to transfer al-Bashir to the Court.
But the people demanded a complete end to military involvement.
On June 3, 2020, the UN Security Council adopted the UN Integrated Transition Assistance Mission in Sudan (UNITAMS), a follow-up to the defunct UNAMID. UNITAMS has a political mission to support Sudan for a transition to democratic rule. The UNITAMS has been renewed until December 3, 2023.
[ Dec 2, 2023 - Security Council agrees to terminate UN mission in Sudan
The United Nations political mission in Sudan, UNITAMS, will end on Sunday.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/2/security-council-agrees-to-terminate-un-mission-in-sudan ]
Image courtesy of Osama Eid is licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0.
Coup, October 2021
Al–Burhan and Hemedti jointly carried out a complete military takeover in October 2021 instead of moving to the promised civilian government.
Soldiers arrested Prime Minister Hamdok and other civilian ministers. The military took over state TV and radio headquarters and restricted the internet.
Burhan said elections would be held in July 2023.
2021 – April 15, 2023
Since the 2021 coup, protests continued but with heavy repression from the government. Hundreds of people were killed and nearly 6,000 were injured. People were also unlawfully detained, forcibly disappeared, and subjected to sexual and gender-based violence.
April 15, 2023
On April 15, 2023, fighting broke out in Khartoum and in Darfur between the two generals’ troops: Al-Burhan’s Sudan Armed Forces (SAF) against Hemedti’s Rapid Support Forces (RSF). Violence spread rapidly in the two generals’ battle for control of Sudan. Hundreds of people have been killed, and thousands are refugees or internally displaced. Hospitals have been bombed and key infrastructure, including power grids, is destroyed. The people face an unimaginable humanitarian tragedy.
[Sudan crisis explained: What’s behind the latest fighting and how it fits nation’s troubled past
"Sudan Will Decide the Outcome of the Ethiopian Civil War
"Mali’s President Exits After Being Arrested in Military Coup
"Civilian deaths and atrocities escalate as chaos builds in Sahel
"Esper says ‘no decisions’ have been finalized on AFRICOM changes
"AFRICOM: Wrong for Liberia, Disastrous for Africa"""""
.. add today a link to that last one ..
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[...]The RSF, led by General Mohammed Hamdan Dagalo – who is generally known by the name Hemedti– has worked alongside the Sudanese army to help keep the military in power.
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Genocide in Darfur
Attacks in Darfur have escalated, and experts warn of ongoing ethnic cleansing and genocide.
Devolution to Destruction
The current mass atrocities in Sudan are the inevitable result of several factors:
* The West’s failure to realistically assess the goals of the military and paramilitary leaders
in Sudan and to naively believe in their promise of a democratic transition.
* An inability to strengthen and support civil society.
* A withdrawal of peacekeeping forces, placing vulnerable people at increasing risk.
* No effort to resolve local resource-based conflicts.
* Limited accountability for previous violence in the region.
* Inertia among regional mechanisms that could enhance peace, safety, and security.
https://worldwithoutgenocide.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Russia_out_of_Ukraine_Syria_Belarus_Sudan._51932070805-768x512.jpg
Image courtesy of Alisdare Hickson is licensed under CC BY-SA 2.0.
Russia in Sudan
Nearly every internal conflict ultimately becomes internationalized, and both Russia and China figure in Sudan’s crisis.
Sudan is Africa’s third largest producer of gold. Russia is sustaining its war in Ukraine and surviving Western economic sanctions by smuggling gold out of Sudan. There have been at least 16 known Russian gold smuggling flights out of Sudan over the last year and a half.
Russia has lent military backing to Sudan’s leadership to quash Sudan’s nascent pro-democracy civilian movement. U.S. officials affirm that Russia actively supported Sudan’s 2021 military coup. Documents show that both Hemedti and al-Burhan are backed by Russia.
Yevgeny Prigozhin, a Russian oligarch and one-time key Putin ally, is at the center of these efforts. Prigozhin controls companies including the Wagner Group, a brutal paramilitary mercenary group linked to alleged torture, mass killings and looting in Syria, the Central African Republic (CAR), and Ukraine.
In Sudan, Prigozhin’s company, Meroe Gold, extracts gold and provides weapons and training to both Sudan’s army and to the paramilitary. The US and the EU have placed sanctions against Meroe Gold.
[ The New ‘Africa Corps’: Russia’s Wagner Rebranding
Copyright © 2024 Energy Intelligence Group
https://www.energyintel.com/0000018f-a9d5-d735-a98f-fbdda67a0000 ]
China in Sudan
Image courtesy of Maria Chily is licensed
under CC BY-SA 2.0.
Chinese leadership is worried about ambitious Belt and Road Initiative projects. China is Sudan’s largest trading partner, and more than 120 Chinese companies operate in Sudan.
China had controlled 75% of foreign investment in Sudan’s oil sector until 2018 but it has reduced its dependency on Sudanese oil. Instead, it is engaged in massive BRI infrastructure development of roads, railways, and bridges.
This conflict in Sudan poses a major geopolitical threat to China’s BRI plans.
Geographic Location
Another critical issue has to do with potential military bases on the Red Sea, a critical location for world shipping and a strategic military position. France, China, Japan, Italy, and the US have military bases in nearby Djibouti.
Sudan is strategically located to give access to the Bab al-Mandab Strait, through which 10% of all world shipping passes. The Economist reports, “The Kremlin’s main aim is to thwart a democratic transition in Sudan, because its ambition to build a naval base on the Red Sea is better served by a military government in Khartoum than the embryonic democratic one that was aborted by the junta’s coups.”
Conclusion
This is not yet a proxy war, but it could easily expand. Egypt is siding with the government; Libya, the UAE, and Eritrea have supported Hemedti in the past.
This crisis in Sudan is a struggle for some of the world’s most valued resources, oil and gold; for power, especially through control of a desired seaport location; and the vulnerability of millions of people caught up in a struggle exacerbated by the region’s increasing desertification.
Research assistance by Megan Diller, 2023.
References
https://worldwithoutgenocide.org/genocides-and-conflicts/darfur-genocide
Here's to the guts and stamina of all those working for peace and democracy in
Darfur. And to all of the the millions of innocents suffering because of the bullshit.
OOps almost forgot the Democracy to not map ..
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=174544834map .
https://www.freeworldmaps.net/printable/africa/
Agree the map is a beauty, and enough for me for now. I pmmed it to myself ..
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=174544834 .
Had to search to see who Saacha was. I don't watch that much regularly and don't follow it that much either so...
Maybe it's like a tattoo, wearing them gives them more of a me sense ..
https://fraziersracket.wordpress.com/2017/10/25/the-gold-chain-epidemic/
When i played as a kid i put all of mine in a personal safe. LOL Yes, kidding.
The immediate message said a download link had been sent to the email address i had supplied which seemed a bit odd in that i hadn't supplied one. And no link appeared in my mail, but while there i got a note from a cousin in Seattle which i would otherwise have missed, So that was good.
i went into the Democracy Index .. https://www.eiu.com/n/campaigns/democracy-index-2022 .. then to a form to fill out, likely won't get around to that. Thanks anyhow, looks a lot of into in there.
Yep, states, provinces, countries have some quilt-like quality, some panels more quality than others. There would be racists in my local pubs, for sure. A neighbor four properties up is a conservative, and a good guy to chat with. Would be surprised if he had a racist bone in his ankle. Still it is good to have learned more about Wisconsin then, now more about Illinois and Michigan too.
Yep, much reason why i wished De Minaur could win. Like Trump it's gotta catch up to him.
Alexander Zverev domestic abuse charges: What to know
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D'Arcy Maine, ESPN.com
Jun 6, 2024, 07:56 AM
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Editor's note: This has been updated from a version that originally ran on Jan 25, 2024.
PARIS -- Alexander Zverev advanced to the semifinals at the French Open for the fourth year in a row on Wednesday, with a win over Alex de Minaur. As the 27-year-old German looks to reach his first final at Roland Garros, he remains the focus of domestic abuse allegations in his native country. On Friday, his trial got underway in Berlin -- bringing the accusations back to the forefront.
Here's what to know about the case:
What are the allegations against Zverev?
According to a court document from October, Zverev is accused of "physically abusing and damaging the health of a woman during an argument in Berlin in May 2020." The woman is his former partner, Brenda Patea, who is also the mother of his daughter. (ESPN doesn't normally name alleged victims of domestic abuse, but Patea has gone public with her accusations.) In an interview, Patea said Zverev pushed her into a wall and choked her.
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Tennis star Zverev to face trial for alleged assault
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On Oct. 2, 2023, a criminal court issued a fine of €450,000 (about $488,000) and a penalty order against Zverev. In German law, such an order can be used when there is compelling evidence to support the accusation and a trial is not deemed necessary. Defendants have the right to contest the order, which then results in a public trial. Zverev contested the order and legally maintains the presumption of innocence until he stands trial.
On Nov. 1, Zverev called the penalty order "complete bulls---" when speaking to the media at the Paris Masters event. "Anybody that has a semi-standard IQ level knows what this is all about," Zverev said without further explanation.
Have there been any previous allegations against Zverev?
Yes. Olya Sharypova, another previous partner of Zverev's and a former tennis player, publicly came forward on Instagram in October 2020 with allegations of abuse at various places around the world, including in cities where ATP tournaments were being held.
In a series of media interviews soon after, Sharypova described multiple instances of violence, including Zverev allegedly punching her in the face, as well as smothering her with a pillow as she struggled to breathe. She said she feared for her life.
Zverev denied the accusations. Sharypova did not go the police, but the ATP hired an outside firm to look into her claims. After a 15-month investigation, which included interviews with Sharypova, Zverev and 24 others, the ATP announced on Jan. 31, 2023, that it would not be punishing Zverev as there was insufficient evidence to support the allegations. The ATP did not publish a full report of its findings.
"From the beginning, I have maintained my innocence and denied the baseless allegations made against me," Zverev said in a statement released later that day. "I welcomed and fully cooperated with the ATP's investigation and am grateful for the organization's time and attention in this matter."
Giampiero Sposito/Getty Images
What has happened during the opening days of Zverev's trial?
According to The Guardian .. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/may/31/tennis-alexander-zverev-pushed-strangled-partner-german-court-told , the prosecutor detailed the allegations to the court. Per the prosecutor, Zverev allegedly pushed Patea against a wall and strangled her with both hands following a "heated argument" at an apartment in Berlin in May of 2020. Patea then had difficulty breathing and swallowing for several days after. Patea did not speak to the court, but was in attendance.
Zverev's lawyer Alfred Dierlamm called the accusations "unfounded and contradictory" and said his team would share evidence from witnesses and chat messages that would give "an objective view of the events." The defense also requested the remainder of the trial to be held behind closed doors to protect Zverev's privacy, as well as that of their young daughter. The case was then adjourned for the day.
On Monday, the request was granted and Patea's testimony was not heard by the public.
Has Zverev said anything about the trial while in Paris?
Prior to the start of the tournament, Zverev told reporters during his media day news conference that he wouldn't be attending the trial, nor would it affect his play.
"At the end of the day, I do believe in the German system," Zverev said. " I do believe in the truth, as well. I have to be certain that, you know, I do know what I did, I do know what I didn't do.
"That's, at the end of the day, what's going to come out, and I have to trust in that. You know, everything else is out of my hands. Not out of my hands, but I do believe that I'm not going to lose this procedure [sic]. There's absolutely no chance I am.
"That's why I can play calmly, and I think my results have been showing it. Winning [the title in] Rome [earlier in May] I think is a big title, as well, and obviously being here. And if it would be on my mind I wouldn't be playing the way I am."
Zverev refused to answer a question about the trial following his second-round victory on Thursday.
"I have said everything before the tournament," he said.
Does the ATP have a domestic abuse policy?
No. While other leagues, such as the NBA and NFL, have specific policies related to domestic abuse and violence, the ATP does not.
In October 2021, while announcing it would be investigating the initial claims against Zverev, the ATP said it had commissioned and received an independent safeguarding report.
"ATP will now evaluate the recommendations to identify immediate next steps and develop a longer-term safeguarding strategy relating to all matters of abuse, including domestic violence," the organization said in a statement.
In March 2023, the ATP hired Andrew Azzopardi as its director of safeguarding. A specific policy has yet to be released. The ATP does have a more general code of conduct policy, which outlines potential punishments for "conduct contrary to the integrity of the game," including for those charged with a crime.
"A player, or related person, charged with a violation of a criminal or civil law of any jurisdiction may be deemed by virtue of such charge to have engaged in conduct contrary to the integrity of the Game of Tennis and the ATP Members Fines Committee may provisionally suspend such player, or related person, from further participation in ATP tournaments pending a final determination of the criminal or civil proceeding," the 2024 ATP rulebook states.
When asked in January for clarity regarding Zverev and the code of conduct, the ATP issued a statement to ESPN.
"We are aware of the upcoming legal trial involving Alexander Zverev, and will not be commenting until that process is complete."
Zverev was named as a member of the ATP Player Advisory Council earlier this year. After his first-round win at the Australian Open, the questions during the English-speaking portion of his news conference were entirely about his position on the Council. Because he had been voted into the leadership position -- which makes recommendations to the ATP on behalf of the players -- by his peers, he said members of the media were the only ones who believed his role to be inappropriate.
"Journalists are saying that, some, who are actually interested more in this story to write about and more about the clicks than the actual truth," Zverev said.
Zverev was also featured extensively in an episode of the current season of Netflix's "Break Point," which was released Jan. 10. The allegations were not mentioned.
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Have any of his peers spoken about the charges, the trial or his role on the ATP's Player Advisory Council?
While several players were asked questions in the days following the announcement of the trial date during their news conferences at the Australian Open, most said they were unable to comment. Alex de Minaur said he was "good at playing tennis" but "not good at making political decisions" and was "going to stay out of it and focus on playing tennis." Stefanos Tsitsipas said he was "completely unfamiliar" with the situation.
"I haven't had too much time to think about it, and don't really have an opinion right now," Casper Ruud said. "But yeah, I'm not exactly sure how to react to it, so won't give you a good answer. Sorry."
Grigor Dimitrov, who is also a member of the Council, initially said he didn't want to comment because he was unaware of the situation, before acknowledging Zverev's recent election to the position.
"I think everyone needs to sit down together and discuss all of that," Dimitrov said. "That's my message on that end. Of course now these things coming through, personally, I didn't know. So I'm sure if you ask all the other guys, it's something that if it's needed, I guess we are all going to sit down and talk about it."
Sloane Stephens, who recently concluded a stint on the WTA's Players' Council, said the WTA players would not have elected someone facing such charges.
"I think that the ATP kind of beats their own drum," Stephens said. "Yeah, they do what they do on that side. Would that happen on the WTA Tour? Probably not."
Stephens acknowledged Zverev's presence on tour was a "difficult situation" and said she hoped the trial would "put it to rest."
"There's a lot of speculation and allegations," Stephens said. "I think at this point for the tour and for the fans it needs to be done with. I think that's what will happen. People will get what they want whenever his trial is. We'll just go from there. I guess the ATP will then decide what they will do with their player after that. ...
"For three years no one has done anything, so I don't think another five months of waiting for a criminal trial I guess to happen is going to change much on either side."
Iga Swiatek .. http://www.espn.com/sports/tennis/players/profile?playerId=3730 , the current top-ranked women on tour, said she wasn't "in the right position to judge" but did say she was disappointed that Zverev had been voted onto the Council.
"For sure it's not good when a player who's facing charges like that is kind of being promoted," Swiatek said.
Since then, few players have spoken about the trial or the allegations.
In an interview with "Clay" in March, Yannick Hanfmann -- who has been teammates with Zverev on Germany's Davis Cup team -- said he would respect the outcome of the trial, whatever it was.
"I know what he's accused of, but I don't know if he's guilty or not," Hanfmann said. "So let's hopefully make [the court] figure it out. And then if he's innocent, we don't have to talk about it anymore and we move on. If he's guilty, we'll probably have to remove him from the Council. And the ATP will have to do something."
On Friday, following a doubles match at the French Open, Andy Murray said it should be the ATP -- not the players -- who should answer questions about Zverev being allowed to play while his trial was ongoing.
"It's the ATP who should make the decision and make the policy for what that would look like," Murray told reporters. "I don't think [the ATP] did a particularly good job over the last few years with, I don't know what the word is in terms of, you know, in these situations when you might ask me about that in press, like, it's not for us to come up with what those policies are. It's for the governing body to make that decision."
What would happen if he were found guilty during his trial?
That might be one of the biggest unknowns at this point. Zverev remains in Paris at this time and the trial is expected to continue on non-consecutive days, with dates scheduled during the main draw at Wimbledon as well.
According to the BBC, he could be asked to attend in person later in the trial if needed, and the sentence for someone found guilty of a domestic abuse charge in Germany ranges from a fine to five years in prison. Zverev would likely pay the initial fine amount he was issued in October.
The ATP has not publicly shared how Zverev would be punished if he were deemed guilty.
https://www.espn.com.au/tennis/story/_/id/39386940/alexander-zverev-assault-trial-domestic-abuse-charges-know
LOL Purrfecto! Those are the throws a player like Gault deserves to receive.
He's good enough looking to make it as an actor too, if he has what it
takes there. As soon as i read Gault, of course i thought of Galt
.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Galt .
Spot on. Question is: How could Trump be convinced to be unselfish, for once in his life.
"For the good of his country and his party, Donald Trump must withdraw from the presidential race."
I read once the person he is so afraid of is Melania. Perhaps she is the one with the best chance.
Then again, his only chance of getting out of his other criminal charges is to be president. So, for that and all the other reasons he wouldn't consider it like pride, arrogance and his 'fuck you all of you' attitude .. no chance. Oh, unless the convention said no. Now wouldn't that be something.
Good to learn more of Wisconsin -- How Baraboo Continues To Wrestle With A Photo That Shocked The World
"baraboo is a hotbed for some things that should not be mentioned.... "
Buzzfeed Report Uncovers New Details About Aftermath Of A Prom Photo That Drew Widespread Criticism
By Brady Carlson
April 5, 2019
Downtown Baraboo. University of Wisconsin-Extension (CC BY-NC)
A little over four months ago, a photo of students in Baraboo .. https://www.wpr.org/baraboo-school-district-investigates-photo-boys-giving-nazi-salute .. became a focal point in the national conversation on racism and anti-Semitism.
The picture showed a group of high school boys on their way to prom, many holding up their arms in what looked like a Nazi salute. The photo drew condemnation from public officials, celebrities, even the Auschwitz-Birkenau Museum in Poland.
What happens to a community when it becomes the center of a national controversy? Reporter Joseph Bernstein of BuzzFeed News traveled to Baraboo to find out.
His new piece is called “A Sand County Photograph: The Baraboo Nazi Prom Photo
Shocked The World. The City’s Response Shocked Its Residents."
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/baraboo-nazi-prom-photo .”
Bernstein told WPR’s “All Things Considered” that, initially, many in town were shocked — some because such a photo existed, others because their town would be the one to face such a sharp response.
“People in town, maybe quite naturally, the reaction was, ‘why here, why us?’” Bernstein said. “There’s a detail in the piece I really like, where people in Baraboo said, this is really unfair because the next town over is even more racist than we are. There was this sense that they didn’t deserve what had happened.“
Fair or not, it had happened.
And residents of Baraboo had to confront the reality that people around the world were now asking why a group of their town’s male students were making a gesture associated with hatred.
For Kelly Dwyer, a local college professor and a member of Baraboo’s Jewish community, that meant a difficult conversation with a student she knew personally.
“She was family friends with one of the boys in the photo who was saluting and had known him since he was 3, had known him to be a conscientious and good kid,” Bernstein explained. “The story of how he apologized for that photo and how he tried to take responsibility for it, is one of the through-lines in my piece.”
According to Bernstein, that student, Philip Zolper, helped organize meetings of the students who were in the photo to talk about what happened, and to take action in response to the outcry.
“What Philip wanted to do was put together some kind of group statement, taking responsibility for the photo and trying to provide an example for places where incidents like this happen in the future,” Bernstein said. “What he maybe didn’t expect was to run into a fair amount of resistance from the parents of some of the boys and the school administration itself in Baraboo.”
Bernstein said school administrators would at times acknowledge the public outrage over the photo and promise action — while also defending the students. But critics said the district was in fact, distancing itself from the photo.
“The photo was taken on the steps of the Sauk County Courthouse, not on school property. The event, while a Baraboo tradition to take kids’ photos on the day of the Baraboo High School prom, was not an official school district sponsored event,” he said. “Because of that, the school district had a sort of one foot in, one foot out relationship with the event. And I think by not taking more direct ownership for the response of the photo, it made some people in Baraboo feel like they were in denial about it.”
Ultimately, the district decided not to issue any sanctions against the students.
In a statement, the district said “we cannot know the intentions in the hearts of those involved.”
[Insert: Gulp.]
To Bernstein, this raises one of the big questions about racism and racist symbols — what is the intention of a word or gesture, versus the perception? And in the case of a class photo — how many different intentions are there among the students?
“There are so many different dynamics happening in the photo,” Bernstein said. “Kelly Dwyer attempted to collect the stories of the boys in the photo. What she told me is that there are 60 boys in the photo, there’s 60 different stories. To a degree that’s certainly true. You have boys who are not saluting, most famously the kid in the top right corner, Jordan Blue. You have kids who are clearly waving and you have kids who are very obviously throwing up a Sieg Heil.”
“What my piece ultimately argues is that because of the international resurgence of white supremacy that is bolstered by this contextless conversation online, the intentions of the boys ultimately didn’t matter,” he continued.
Bernstein’s reporting found that Jordan Blue — the Baraboo student who said he refused to participate and told reporters as it spread that some of his classmates most certainly knew that making that salute was wrong and did it anyway — made those comments at a cost.
“One of the more upsetting things about this story is that Jordan Blue’s personal courage was not rewarded in town, and in fact, he was made into something of a pariah at school,” Bernstein said. “He told me that anti-gay persecution against him increased, longtime friends sort of left him behind … he really paid a large price for coming forward. And one of the most damaging things that happened is people in town started spreading a variety of completely false rumors about him.”
Students have since heard from anti-racism activists, they’ve gone on field trips to the Holocaust Museum in Illinois. There have also been community meetings .. https://www.wpr.org/baraboo-community-holds-first-several-meetings-discuss-photo-students-giving-nazi-salute , which Bernstein said have led to progress — but also contention.
“If you’re going to have a meeting that invites an entire community, and a lot of the community thinks that the boys in the photograph are being unfairly treated, it isn’t necessarily going to assuage the feelings of people who feel targeted by what the boys are doing,” he said. “In the story, I talk about two young women who go to an event called Baraboo Talks, and they participated in an event where someone compared the boys to survivors of sexual assault. And for these girls to hear that at this time, I think was tremendously counterproductive and in fact made them feel less positive about the community.”
Bernstein said Baraboo is far from the only community to confront this problem — but it is a problem. And one that’s far from over.
He told a story he heard from Eva Huffaker, who is, along with her twin brother, one of two Jewish students at Baraboo High School.
Weeks after the photo had spread and in the midst of enormous public attention on racism and discrimination, she had not one but two unsettling encounters with fellow students.
“She was kind of minding her own business, and a boy stared at her, stood up and put up a Sieg Heil,” he said. “Shortly after that, another boy made a completely tasteless remark about the Holocaust to her. She reported, and her mother reported — the response from one school administrator was that the boys didn’t understand why what they had done was so hurtful, so an apology from them wouldn’t mean anything.”
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of Wisconsin System and Wisconsin Educational Communications Board.
https://www.wpr.org/culture/how-baraboo-continues-wrestle-photo-shocked-world
Ok. i understand more now how Wisconsin has was kind to Republican Trump.
B402, Your first 11 words - [...]You are too well known for searching for confirmation biased articles just to
take your word for it especially for this subject after what I just saw and posted...........
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=174550498
is misinformation. A total fabrication by you.
Your - "Consider any dem cause and their cancel culture and false outrage......Yet it seems the Jews are fair game to them....And all their speech standards go out the window..... "
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=174550498
is misinformation. Cancel culture started in conservative circles, as churches. Also, opposition to Netanyahu's war is not in any way treating Jews as fair game as you said. That last of yours is clearly a misinformative talking point of your political conservatives.
Your - ... what dems wont condemn is Hamas, Oct 7 and never mention the hostages...........
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=174550498
is misinformation. Biden and people on this board have repeatedly condemned the Hamas Oct 7 attack and have repeatedly mentioned the Hamas hostages.
Your saying you "...don't see any misinformation" can only be wilful blindness. Or wilful ignorance. Or wilful lying. Or a combination of the three. Or simple stupidity. Your choice.
Last post to you today, am working with much more interesting material.
B402, You say you cannot see any misinformation in your fabrication about me. That tells me you are unhealthily blind to yours.
On your ghost ship comment, no where have i or anyone here ever said you do not post any accurate stuff. You must also have read on this board one who knows more said there would be no way short of boarding every freighter to eliminate that situation, and so that under Trump it would have been no different. That said to blame Biden for it is not valid. One you likely have not seen ..
Putin siphons $1.5b in ‘desperate’ oil sanctions move
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=172586956
Sorry to say your
"'Asshole' eh,,,,,,Didn't see any misinformation I posted.....Do recall pointing out ghost ships
for Iran are way up and so is their oil production....w links to verify btw....So no need to apologize
Am sorry you feel the way you do though...."
pretty well confirms all i said about you in that post ..
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=174550498 .