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I agree! Melvin is GONE, FINISHED, OUTTA HERE!
I think it has happend already but this is a PR and he's gotta becareful how he says things. I beleive they already started doing some of the preparations reading the conference that was held yesterday.
This is good news no doubt and now the last 2 PRs look more magnified as a positive. We start over now next week and more acquisitions and Gold prices soaring DKGR will be primed to move up.
GREAT ISCR news! It's not official but wow a nice government contract would make this company an instant Big Board Stock!
This ugly chapter is over with and now DKGR can move on. Now that Melvin is officially gone these prices are really a bargain. I just hope I will be able to add tomorrow at a decent price.
This ugly chapter is over with and now DKGR can move on. Now that Melvin is officially gone these prices are really a bargain.
It is underway already but they aren't done. It takes a few weeks to get everything perfect for the SEC. if ther eis one blemish on th epaper work the SEC won't except you. So that really did not suprise me one bit.
because Diamonds are not really a hot sector now. I think they realized they were spreading themselves thin. They did the right thing and are focusing on Gold and Oil which is unbelievably hott! Now that this chapter is behind us...lets see whats next.
I think this gives the market time to read the PR and soak in the information. I think we will see more PRs next week. This is good news no doubt an dnow the last 2 PRs look more magnified as a positive.
He answered that in the conference today I believe. Here is the link Z put out....
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=12119566
I added more shares of ISCR today. The $1.50 target is for the end of year and they estimated doing over 20 Million dollars. That would give us a excellent price per revenue.
Things are starting to look good. I think the MPC group is getting stronger and getting to know each other better. Keep us informed of how the meeting went! I think we have a good thing going here.
Z did you get a chance to research that stock you emailed the Billionaire Players Club about? I know you said that it was a Iraq/military security play. Just wondering if your research came up golden. Please let me know!
I guess you are trying to cover your intensions here....lol
How to recognize Stock bashers on Message boards, newsgroups and in chat rooms. its too long but you got to read it.
LEARNING is a process and an evolution. Learning is not all fluff. Learning is a process of awareness and unfolding development; one must be willing to work at it though.
A year ago when I asked broker friends of mine if the internet message boards will have any affect on a stock. They ALL laughed at me and said those idiots having an affect on a stock!
A truth: IT IS EASIER TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO SELLING THAN IT IS TO INFORM PEOPLE INTO BUYING A STOCK.
Well I asked those same friends this last week, and the answer from all YES! message boards and ""shorts" (some) can manipulate with lies, and deceit.
Now think about that, you have elderly that invest and find their way to the message boards only to see false posts about "SEC Violations" and "Class action suits" or you have a Yuppie with a kid to put in college going to these message boards only to see posts by 15-20 (probably 5 or 6 under alias) "pack of shorts" posting the same false stuff about SEC Violations or lawsuits or "there's bad news coming out" ....what do you think they will do ?
It's easier to sell the stock and put the money into the bank for nervous people like the elderly and the Yuppie who needs college funds. THAT'S WHO THE PACK OF SHORTS PRAY ON AND DEPEND ON. They bet on a stock to go down-not up! Understand? And they have just as much money and risk as you. But they have the edge of fear, lies, falsehoods to post and pray on the nervous. Longs don't have that.
Lesson 1: Remember, BASHERS NEVER BASH A BAD STOCK. Watch the board for stocks with no potential. They never have any bashers. Bashers only go after stocks that are going upwards or have excellent potential to go up. Bashers get left behind, so they want to bring the price down.
Lesson 2: BASHERS ALWAYS BRING UP OLD NEWS THAT YOU HAVE HEARD MANY TIMES. New startup companies always have a few bits of bad news. The basher will post this over and over again. The stupid basher will try to make the old news a bit fresher to try to fool you.
Lesson 3: BASHERS POST MANY TIMES A DAY. They try to wear you out. They comment on everything, every other post, and can answer every question. THEY KNOW IT ALL! There is no positive comment they won't bash. They try to control the board. True longs may have to address the bashers or they will appear to the newbies as being the people with all the information.
Lesson 4: BASHERS WILL LIE TO YOUR FACE. Never trust a basher. The truth on startup companies is that many mistakes are made and losses happen. The basher will try to make you believe all startup companies make a profit, release financials every quarter and all aspects of the business run smoothly. THIS IS NOT TRUE. THE BASHERS LIE TO YOU. Startup companies can go years without profits, financials and good business, this is the nature of the beast.
Lesson 5: The bashers know YOU CAN'T VERIFY THEIR STATEMENTS. That's why they make the statements they do.
Lesson 6: The bashers PLAY ON YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. They can lie about information and you couldn't know the difference (unless you have done your assessment of the company and know the truth and facts).
Lesson 7: Bashers play on your lack of patience. YOU have held a penny stock for a while. You knew it will be a big penny stock someday, but the BASHER CAN GET TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE TIRED OF WAITING FOR YOUR GAIN . That's when the basher is best. You are tired. You have forgotten the goal for the penny stock was to hold it for one year. The basher is bothersome, so you dump it on a bad day. Some others also dump. Then you get mad for your loss and return to let everyone know how mad you are. Then you turn into a basher as well. THE BASHER HAS WON, AND GAINED A NEW PARTNER TOO, to be able to get in at a great price.
Lesson 8: BRING THE PRICE DOWN. That is the basher's job. The truth is not important. Lies are the norm. Post continuously on the board every day. They are trying to hit the newbies visiting the board. They are trying to wear out the longs on the board. They do whatever it takes to wear the longs out.
Lesson 9: BASHERS WILL TRY TO CREATE DOUBT AND GET YOU TO RESEARCH ITEMS THAT THEY KNOW WILL LEAD TO THE CREATION OF DOUBT IN YOU AND IN OTHER STOCKHOLDERS. A typical trick of an advanced basher is to propose that there is a potential "problem" because "we" don't have the facts on a particular subject. The basher dares someone in the group to find out the answer to the question. The basher already knows the answer; the basher already knows what will be found. The power of this tactic is that the basher is now in control of the actions of the stockholders; the basher has you, the stockholder doing HIS/HER due diligence and when you, the stockholder come back to the group with a questionable finding then the basher gains credibility. What to do??? Solution??? Well, I think it's important to find answers but on your own terms. I actually pick up the phone and call the company and talk to the investor relations person or the CEO until I get a satisfactory answer. The problem here is that the advanced basher has you doing his bidding and his work; you have essentially joined his ranks. So, develop your own little Due Diligence package and answer questions by placing the information into the package and referring all new investors to read the answers to questions raised in the Investor Information package but DON'T GET INTO A CONVERSATION WITH THE BASHER REGARDING THE TOPIC. THAT IS WHERE YOU LOSE. DON'T CONVERSE WITH THE BASHER; ANSWER INDIRECTLY; DON'T USE THE BASHERS NAME; DON'T GET INTO A PERSONALITY CONTEST.
A BASHERS HANDBOOK: know the enemy who wishes to steal your money! Do not underestimate a bashers influence on a stock. The Pro's are good at what they do and what they do is profit from your losses. Below is their "hand-book" so to speak. Learn from it or donate your money to those who make an organized plan to steal your money!
Ya I agree....that post he did I thought was supposed to be educational for investors but now I see it was supposed to be a bash...lol...You can't even tell. I loved that bashers article though. This was a great read however!
A must read about Stock Bashers (unknown author)
How to recognize Stock bashers on Message boards, newsgroups and in chat rooms. its too long but you got to read it.
LEARNING is a process and an evolution. Learning is not all fluff. Learning is a process of awareness and unfolding development; one must be willing to work at it though.
A year ago when I asked broker friends of mine if the internet message boards will have any affect on a stock. They ALL laughed at me and said those idiots having an affect on a stock!
A truth: IT IS EASIER TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO SELLING THAN IT IS TO INFORM PEOPLE INTO BUYING A STOCK.
Well I asked those same friends this last week, and the answer from all YES! message boards and ""shorts" (some) can manipulate with lies, and deceit.
Now think about that, you have elderly that invest and find their way to the message boards only to see false posts about "SEC Violations" and "Class action suits" or you have a Yuppie with a kid to put in college going to these message boards only to see posts by 15-20 (probably 5 or 6 under alias) "pack of shorts" posting the same false stuff about SEC Violations or lawsuits or "there's bad news coming out" ....what do you think they will do ?
It's easier to sell the stock and put the money into the bank for nervous people like the elderly and the Yuppie who needs college funds. THAT'S WHO THE PACK OF SHORTS PRAY ON AND DEPEND ON. They bet on a stock to go down-not up! Understand? And they have just as much money and risk as you. But they have the edge of fear, lies, falsehoods to post and pray on the nervous. Longs don't have that.
Lesson 1: Remember, BASHERS NEVER BASH A BAD STOCK. Watch the board for stocks with no potential. They never have any bashers. Bashers only go after stocks that are going upwards or have excellent potential to go up. Bashers get left behind, so they want to bring the price down.
Lesson 2: BASHERS ALWAYS BRING UP OLD NEWS THAT YOU HAVE HEARD MANY TIMES. New startup companies always have a few bits of bad news. The basher will post this over and over again. The stupid basher will try to make the old news a bit fresher to try to fool you.
Lesson 3: BASHERS POST MANY TIMES A DAY. They try to wear you out. They comment on everything, every other post, and can answer every question. THEY KNOW IT ALL! There is no positive comment they won't bash. They try to control the board. True longs may have to address the bashers or they will appear to the newbies as being the people with all the information.
Lesson 4: BASHERS WILL LIE TO YOUR FACE. Never trust a basher. The truth on startup companies is that many mistakes are made and losses happen. The basher will try to make you believe all startup companies make a profit, release financials every quarter and all aspects of the business run smoothly. THIS IS NOT TRUE. THE BASHERS LIE TO YOU. Startup companies can go years without profits, financials and good business, this is the nature of the beast.
Lesson 5: The bashers know YOU CAN'T VERIFY THEIR STATEMENTS. That's why they make the statements they do.
Lesson 6: The bashers PLAY ON YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. They can lie about information and you couldn't know the difference (unless you have done your assessment of the company and know the truth and facts).
Lesson 7: Bashers play on your lack of patience. YOU have held a penny stock for a while. You knew it will be a big penny stock someday, but the BASHER CAN GET TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE TIRED OF WAITING FOR YOUR GAIN . That's when the basher is best. You are tired. You have forgotten the goal for the penny stock was to hold it for one year. The basher is bothersome, so you dump it on a bad day. Some others also dump. Then you get mad for your loss and return to let everyone know how mad you are. Then you turn into a basher as well. THE BASHER HAS WON, AND GAINED A NEW PARTNER TOO, to be able to get in at a great price.
Lesson 8: BRING THE PRICE DOWN. That is the basher's job. The truth is not important. Lies are the norm. Post continuously on the board every day. They are trying to hit the newbies visiting the board. They are trying to wear out the longs on the board. They do whatever it takes to wear the longs out.
Lesson 9: BASHERS WILL TRY TO CREATE DOUBT AND GET YOU TO RESEARCH ITEMS THAT THEY KNOW WILL LEAD TO THE CREATION OF DOUBT IN YOU AND IN OTHER STOCKHOLDERS. A typical trick of an advanced basher is to propose that there is a potential "problem" because "we" don't have the facts on a particular subject. The basher dares someone in the group to find out the answer to the question. The basher already knows the answer; the basher already knows what will be found. The power of this tactic is that the basher is now in control of the actions of the stockholders; the basher has you, the stockholder doing HIS/HER due diligence and when you, the stockholder come back to the group with a questionable finding then the basher gains credibility. What to do??? Solution??? Well, I think it's important to find answers but on your own terms. I actually pick up the phone and call the company and talk to the investor relations person or the CEO until I get a satisfactory answer. The problem here is that the advanced basher has you doing his bidding and his work; you have essentially joined his ranks. So, develop your own little Due Diligence package and answer questions by placing the information into the package and referring all new investors to read the answers to questions raised in the Investor Information package but DON'T GET INTO A CONVERSATION WITH THE BASHER REGARDING THE TOPIC. THAT IS WHERE YOU LOSE. DON'T CONVERSE WITH THE BASHER; ANSWER INDIRECTLY; DON'T USE THE BASHERS NAME; DON'T GET INTO A PERSONALITY CONTEST.
A BASHERS HANDBOOK: know the enemy who wishes to steal your money! Do not underestimate a bashers influence on a stock. The Pro's are good at what they do and what they do is profit from your losses. Below is their "hand-book" so to speak. Learn from it or donate your money to those who make an organized plan to steal your money!
BASHERS DO THE FOLLOWING:
1. Be anonymous
2. Use 10% fact. 90% suggestion. The facts will lend credibility to your suggestions.
3. Let others help you learn about the stock. Build rapport and a support base before initiating your bashing routine.
4. Enter w/ humor and reply to all who reply to you.
5. Use multiple ISP's, handles and aliases.
6. Use two (2) or more aliases to simulate a discussion.
7. Do not start with an all out slam of the stock. Build to it.
8. Identify your foes (hypesters) and the boards "guru" Use them to your advantage. Lead them do not follow their lead.
9. Only bash until the tide/momentum turns. Let doubt carry it the rest of the way.
10. Give the appearance of being open minded.
11. Be bold in your statements. People follow strength.
12. Write headlines in caps with catchy statements.
13. Pour it on as your position gains momentum. Not your personality.
14. Don't worry about being labeled a "basher". Newbies won't know your history.
15. When identified put up a brief fight, then back off. Return in an hour unless your foe is a weak in reasoning powers.
16. Your goal is to limit the momentum of the run. Not to tank the company or create a plunge in the stock; be subtle and consistent.
17. Kill the dreams of profits, not the company or the stock.
18. Use questions to create critical thinking. Statements to reinforce facts.
19. DO NOT LIE, DO NOT NAME CALL and DO NOT USE PROFANITY.
20. Encourage people to call the company. 99% won't. They'll take your word for claims made. If they do call you can always find something that is inaccurate in how they report their findings.
21. Discourage people for taking the companies word for anything. Encourage them to call the company. They won't out of laziness.
22. If the companies history/PR's are negative constantly point to that. Compile a list of this data prior to beginning your efforts.
23. If the price rises blame it on the hype or the PR, temporary mass reaction, the market, etc. Anything but the stock itself.
24. If other posters share your concerns, play on that and share theirs too.
25. Always cite low volume, even when it's not.
26. Three or four aliases can dominate a board and wear down the longs.
27. Bait the hypesters into personal debates putting their focus/efforts on you and not the stock or facts. Divert their attention from facts. Show them the facts from a "different angle."
28. Promote other stocks that would-be investors can turn to instead of the one your bashing.
30. Do not fall for challenges on the "values" of what you are doing, it's a game and you are playing it with your own rules.
GRADE YOUR FAVORITE BASHER:
Advanced Basher:
Will join the message board early and actually "pump" the stock with positives; this basher is very intelligent, has the facts of the company, actually helps longs with Due Diligence and generally gets the confidence of the stockholders. Then, when the stock hits their price, the tone will change and they will start asking longs to check into this and check into that. The seeds of doubt are being planted. This basher will then start using all the tactics listed on this page to create seeds of doubt. ALWAYS LOOK AT THE PROFILE OF A PERSON YOU SUSPECT. ASK WHAT STOCKS THEY'VE "SUPPORTED" IN THE PAST AND CHECK OUT THE MESSAGE BOARD. An honest person will have a positive track record that can be followed. I strongly believe that a contrary view is needed but this person is out to steal your money and does it by deception and creates fear after gaining confidence! BEWARE, this is the most clever basher and the hardest to spot.
Grade A Basher:
Posts lots of old news, responds to all positive posts with a negative side. Never responds to being called a basher, never posts on another board. Can spend up to 80 hours a week bashing a stock.
Grade B Basher:
Very good way with words, always claims to be your "friend" taking the positive poster into confidence, never posts on another board, spends about 60 hours a week.
Grade C Basher:
Spends less time than the others but is somewhat effective and gets a C grade due to getting excited when bashers rules say not to get excited, spends about 40 hours a week.
Grade D Basher:
Needs to learn the basics about being convincing when making a negative statement. Spends a good amount of time working the stock, maybe 20 hours a week. Grade F Basher: A complete idiot, most readers are not convinced he knows anything about stocks in general. The type that says a stock "sucks", but gives no rationale, shows up every so often but no regular schedule.
WHY BASH?: MONEY (the usual reason), SPORT, ENTERTAINMENT. Some bashers are compelled to bash because they are inherently a part of the dark side of life so they must do it. It's a sad fact but never the less, a fact. It's life so you must learn how to deal with it or become a victim!
LEARN ABOUT HOW STOCK BASHERS WORK: how they are paid: (this was written by a basher) I know the following from a "friend" who needed extra money. I never answer a basher directly because I then become a basher's little money machine. IGNORE THEM FOLKS...how bashers are paid: When you REPLY to bashers you give them an opportunity to earn 5-7 bucks. The service agreement they enter into with their employer states their messages will be monitored for content, profanity, lies, etc. but Money Manager's and the like don't have the time to check all their bashers messages. Only occasional spot checks are done. Those who manage the basher will generally read the headlines to see if a basher is replying to other posters by name. That tells them the basher isn't just "posting blindly" or repeating the same message over and over since they won't pay for those. A basher will attempt to milk three to five replies per post at one to two dollars each. This way the basher spreads negative influence to as many stockholders as possible. A basher will create this discussion thread because it takes less time reading more messages than is necessary. This ultimately allows the basher more time to post and make money. In general, NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER. Make them read all the posts and think up ways to enter the discussion.
NEVER ENGAGE A STOCK BASHER; if you do so then YOU BECOME THE BASHER'S AID!
Read the news, do your own homework and make your own decisions. Get real time quotes and follow the stock for a couple of weeks. Due Diligence is key here. Know that there will be a time when the stock runs up which will be followed by the Bashers and those that missed the boat. The bashers will trash the stock by saying such things as "it's a Pump and Dump" and "the company is lying" and deceiving. There goal is to scare off newbies and potential new investors by "shaking" you out of your shares. Take the time to confirm your Due Diligence, ,trust your own judgment and believe in yourself, pick your point of return or loss and live with it. Don't listen to hype or bashers and live by the rules you have created.
Just becareful because I think people are buying it on the speculation that the shares will be worth $15.00. If that turns out to be wrong FHAL will fall like a safe. Very grey area here and I'm skeptical because they mention CVSU shareholders get shares but they don't mention FHAL shareholders.
I just read the PR from today after the market closed and to me it seems that only the CVSU shareholders get shares of FHAL. The FHAL shareholders get nothing in this deal. It says CVSU shareholders get shares but it says nothing about FHAL shareholders getting anything. I could be wrong but thats the way it sounds to me.
The FrontHall Group, Inc. (OTC Bulletin Board: FHAL - News) acquired Conversion Solutions, Inc. (OTC Pink Sheets: CVSU.PK - News) through a merger agreement (reorganization).
The merger agreement filed in the form of an 8-K with the Security Exchange Commission (SEC).
The share conversion upon the 10KSB filing (Audited Financial) will be a 1 for 1 ration. Each shareholder of CVSU will receive one share of FHAL.
Upon the S-4 registration of the CVSU shares received through the merger agreement, the company will have 3 options at hand.
1.) If the Market Closing Price on the Completion date exceeds $15.00 (Fifteen) USD the Surviving Holdings Corporation (OTC Bulletin Board: CVSU - News) may option to maintain that days Market Closing Price.
2.) To pay each shareholder that options out an amount in cash equal to $15.00 minus the Actual Average Closing Price.
3.) Set the Average Closing Price at $15.00 and pays no additional consideration to any shareholders.
I find that hard to believe as well. I would be interested myself in seeing what happens.
That was a great conference. It sounds like we will be mining in a few weeks instead of months! There are hundreds "exploration" mining companies out there that haven't produced oz. #1 that are trading in the $1.00-$2.00 range. When Gold takes out its recent high at $730 you'll see this thing start to move. That I feel will be a few weeks away. Positioning and patience.....and more patience is the key. Averaging down here will reward you greatly. Gold is incredable right now.
That was a great read and it makes A LOT of sense! Unreal how bashers can scare people out of their money. It's nice to read this and be educated on this issue. Hopefully less invesotrs fall for their bashing. I'm holding DKGR strong. Good Trading!
That was a great read and it makes A LOT od sense! Unreal how they can scare people out of their money. it's nice to read this and be educated on this issue. Hopefully less invesotrs fall for their bashing. Good Trading!
Z, I got your email the other day about a stock you were researching. Have you found any good feedback on it yet? I'm looking forward to reading your work. Have a great night!
The whole market is down but it will come up soon. Hang in there Billionaire Players Clubers!
Well said Fly again the bashers are hovering around us because they see the potential and need time to buy stock. Don't fall prey to this because you'll be kicking yourself later.
I'm hoping they can shed some light for us to see if Sandy is working on getting us to the U.S this year.
Any word on the U.S carrier? Has anyone tried to contact DTV, COMCAST or DISH NETWORK?
I'm adding as well this week. This week could be interesting and I'm holding for the move to the OTCBB. I think once we are reporting the market will notice this company is profitable and worth .10 at least
Well this market is unpredictable so who knows but I think we will hear some good news this week and for the next few months. I'm not worried one bit.
Great reply "Z" makes a lot of sense. Its easier and faster to catch fish in a pond then in a ocean. So I get your analagy!
Yes it's hot here in Kansas City as well. I'm visiting some reletives and the temp is 100 degrees! HUMID!
This oil crisis I think could benefit PBLS this year. Plus mix in the hurricane season and this stock is undervalued bigtime!
Nice looking chart. I think we could easily see .10 as long as the middle east tensions start to fade away somewhat. Hopefully we have a good week this week!
Gold will hit $700.00 an ounce real soon. Maybe 2 weeks away. Mining stocks are the way to go. I have EQBM, DKGR and AURC.
With ILCO off the SHO list....do you think the PPS will move any? It seems very undervalued at this Price. Any thoughts?
How does everyone feel about Fridays news in the after close? Do you think it will move the PPS any? I think it should take us at least into the .007's
I will have IWEB on my watch list. When your DKGR starts to move in a few months I will add more to the longer term positions. Thanks for all you do!
I know I'm not "Z" but I think we will see a increase in PPS real soon. However, I'm long on this stock and I hate daytrading for a few bucks. So I'm waiting but I think we will see .015 again in a few weeks.
I beleive it was canceled until further notice. I will look forward to the reschedule!
I'm strong on DKGR. Gold keeps soaring to record highs. In 3 months I see this stock hitting .07 easy as long as the find Gold. I can't daytrade nor do I like daytrading so I'm happy to wait and I thank Z for finding this company for us.
Level II and internet posters are two different things completely. Level II doesn't lie. The MM's are where they are on level II on the net posters lie and cheat. I get your point but I would no trust anyone on the net except the ones who actually have a great track record for helping people. The middle east situation is hurting the market in general. Look at the big boards! They are getting slaughtered. Gold and Oil is the way to go now and thats a fact. Just look around you.