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Surely they wouldn’t stay there for years and years like they have on Melbourne.
Would they?
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I'm of the opinion that this outfit wants the 'all-day sucker' to continue to be just that because when it runs out, the excuses will have done so as well.
Quote: hedge_fun Friday, 09/24/21 11:19:01 AM
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While SFRX is an actual company, it’s......methods
of recovery, which they claim are “industry leading” are akin to being “defunct”.....ie non existent.
But I wish them luck, nonetheless.
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Sorry hedge_fun but I believe your giving these clowns far too much credit. You say 'recovery'? They can't even find a shipwreck with treasure yet along recover same. They've never, found a treasure wreck, never worked a treasure wreck and recovered anything in fifteen years. I've used the word before and its appropriate to use it again. PATHETIC.
Quote: Lol! Classic stuff. Appreciate the laugh.
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How right you are. Its classic alright. SFRX, the biggest laugh in the treasure hunting industry.
Quote: MS 65+ and MS 66* from The Pulaski........
These two coins could bring $100K each, maybe more. They still haven’t shared the grades of the other 3 dozen gold coins. I am trying to confirm, but the 66* could be the highest grade ever for that particular coin. I don’t if there is a PF (proof) that survived.
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It doesn't get any better than finding pre-Civil War U.S. gold coins. What a tremendous find. Finding real treasure is something this SFRX circus knows nothing about.
Quote: Still watching this one!
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Suggest you bring your lunch along. You'll be watching for a long time.
Quote: How do they arrive at such valuations? Who advised them on such valuations?
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As I posted before, for SFRX to place these BILLION dollar values on these two shipwrecks is an absolute misrepresentation, perhaps even fraudulent. I make this comment based upon the fact that the manifest, even with contraband, of the 1715 'Concepcion' would unlikely exceed twenty, twenty five million at best.
As for the multi-BILLION dollar Juno Beach wreck - scatter, they know not the year of the shipwreck, nor the name of the ship, thus I'd challenge them to produce the fantasy land manifest that supports this outrageous statement. Who ever came up with these numbers? Its hard to believe that these kind of 'carrots' are dangled in front of investors.
Quote: Since you enjoyed the professionalism shown on.
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Great show last night. Always a pleasure to see real professionalism at work. When making any comparison to SFRX, its the Allstar kindergarten show.
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Recent indications suggest...
Closer To Approval
It's coming up on a year that Seafarer Exploration (SFRX) has been wrestling with the Florida Bureau of Archaeological Research (FBAR) regarding not being allowed to disturb the bottom within the Ring Site area of the Melbourne Beach permit. However, recent indications suggest we are getting closer with approval to continue exploration in that area.
In the meantime, parallel professional archaeological operations will commence at Juno Beach, where Seafarer Exploration has an admiralty arrest in preparation for DEP and USACOE permits. In addition, professional operations within the Melbourne Beach permit areas, excluding the Ring Site, will continue as usual.
The SeaSearcher continues to be used and updated with new waveform generators and machine learning patterns for metal discrimination. As a result, high-interest regions scanned before the integration of the metal discriminator are being scanned again.
Through this second tough year of COVID-19 and insane supply chain issues, we have persevered, adapted, and our tenacity remains unabated, which has been the hallmark of Seafarer and its commitment to all involved.
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Admittedly, the on going excuses are very good. very sophisticated, almost like they're coming right out of the department of state.
Quote: Apparently they're waiting on USACE/DEP permits......so
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Actually, from all I know, the site (and area) was previously surveyed and dove on by 'competent' professionals in the past. Nothing there. If I'm not mistaken, this so called treasure hunting company was actually launched on allot of bla, bla, bla expectations about this so called treasure wreck.They don't know the name of the wreck, don't know the date of the wreck, frankly speaking, don't know nothing but have the audacity to put a 15 billion value on it? Who made that statement/declaration? One can view it as outright misrepresentation if not fraud if officially stated by the company.
Well, the season is now over, the hurricane season is here and for this circus, it's likely going to be a 'just you wait and see next season'. Didn't they sell one of their Timmy Toys to some other treasure hunting outfit? Apparently it must not have done too well for them either.
I'm just curious. Did I by chance miss something? Now that the've walked away from the four billion dollars at Melbourne, is the gold on deck yet at Juno Beach. That was shown as a very small survey of the "secret previously non-disclosed area surveyed". The 'Timmy toy' should have been able to knock that out in no time. Gold on deck yet? Definitely (in my opinion) a historic treasure hunting clown show.
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Yeah, Kyle’s salary seems a bit steep, but remember, the BOD approved this. Some of them get tens of millions of shares a year and the CEO gets $7000 a week.
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At $7,000.00 a week it seems this non-productive CEO has already found 'his' treasure. Kinda looks like screw the shareholders, who cares, keep the clown show running. Still gotta say UNBELIEVABLE.
Quote: Sorry, it was a typo. It’s $345,000 annually……..
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This is absolutely outrageous. If I were a stockholder I'd be livid. I never realized this non-productive CEO was milking this kind of salary. Frankly speaking, its hilarious. No wonder this circus continues as it does. UNBELIEVABLE.
Quote: Agreed. I just posted the NEXT PUMP is shareholder……
priority.
They don’t care how cheap KK issues shares for or his $350K salary. Or how much is paid for interest on notes.
The NEXT PUMP is all that matters.
$4B at Melbourne and $15B at Juno. Keep saying it KK. No one really cares if you find it or if it’s even true, just keep saying it.
Quantum Resistant Computer
2 of 3 items
We found a canon (wink wink)
Timmy Toy is a game changer
Q1 2020
We’re on the wreck
Blockchain will fund operations
Torres is a brilliant scientist
I bet y’all miss Torres.
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Are you saying this non-productive CEO is milking a 350K a year salary? That's an error isn't it?
The only word I can think of that describes this circus is - PATHETIC
Rumor has it that Florida author, historian, treasure hunter T.L. Armstrong is gearing up for a major effort to really find the 1715 'Concepcion'. If true, SFRX might want to consider going into the seashell recovery business.
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These clowns couldn’t find coins in a wishing well at the mall.
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Now that is really funny but also very true. It's an on going circus with no shortage of clowns.
Can anyone tell me why this clown isn't in jail by now. As you may recall I know him (Goldberg). A first class scum-bag if there ever was one.
Really enjoyed the documentary about the 'S.S. Pulanski' last night. Truly interesting. Real professionals making real finds. What a contract when compared to this bunch of amateurs.
When it comes to real numismatic values, nothing compares to pre-Civil War U.S. mint gold coins.
Quote: Is professional now synonymous with convicted felons?
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I sense this to be a 'sour grapes' comment of some sort but you might be more specific which is undoubtedly off topic.
Quote: The area has been explored for over 2 decades.
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This SFRX so called treasure hunting company is viewed by professionals in the business as the longest running clown show ever. They just don't seem to learn anything.
Scroll down to 5th page.
https://www.bedrockocean.com/survey-services
In focusing on professional people/entities, take a look at this for an advances underwater survey platform. But we're to believe the 'Timmy Toy' (to date totally unproven to find any shipwrecks or treasure) is the 'find all machine'.
https://www.bedrockocean.com/survey-services
Quote:somethings cooking here
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Yes, smells like rotten mango's
Well Gman3343 glad your happy haven spoken to the 'fox that's guarding the hen house'. How are they going to find treasure? They don't even know what it looks like.
Quote: I'm not going anywhere and look forward to what sfrx may or does find. Jmo
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What's called the flypaper syndrome.
Quote: I see nothing happening that causes me to be concerned.
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You're quite right 'I see nothing happening'. It's been that way for fifteen years and counting.
An endless clown show pefomasnce.
Have you ever heard the saying the Early Bird gets the worm? Jmo
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Indeed I have but SFRX is far from being 'the early bird'. Going on two decades of failure seems to substantiate that. If you wish to contradict that, please provide a list of the verifiable company successes.
Quote: If the Bureau doesn’t approve the action plan soon, is the season pretty much over in your opinion?
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They still have August providing the hurricane season doesn't get sturred up early.
Quote: Some of us own shares, some of us have picked up more shares! Like any stock after positive news is posted some slow to learn people have to chase the pps if they want shares. Im just fine waiting to see what SFRX finds. JMO
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Have you ever heard that saying 'fools rush in where angels fear to tread'?
Sea conditions off of Juno Beach (and Melbone) are currently ideal for survey or recovery. Can't help but wonder what the excuses fo failure will be this time around. The 'Timmy Toy' should be woking ovetime right now. And the band played on.
Be it known that the Dominican Republic has now ratified the UNESCO Underwater Cultural Heritage Treaty. This means no more private sector contracts will ever be issued again. This country had the highest record of successful discoveries and recoveries in the Western Hemisphere with the likes of;
Capt.Tracy Bowden, Burt D. Webber, Jr., Robert Pritchett, and others of less fame. Treasure hunting for Spanish Colonial treasure wrecks is now becoming a dead industry.
Quote: SFRX has along list of success
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Was this said in good humor?
Please enlighten the readers and list those successes please.
A marathon running list of failures. Pathetic.
Quote: For 16 plus years Mel Fisher said every single day " Today is the day"
He was the epitome of optimism and we all know how that worked out
yesterday was the 32 anniversary of that day. One would have thought that the rest of the wreck would have been found by now which shows how challenging this is
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You apparently don't know that Mel Fisher was a 'hands on' successful treasure hunter well before he eventually came to find the 1622 'Atocha'. He had worked and recovered treasure from a number of the 1715 fleet shipwrecks as well as some of the 1733 shipwrecks down in the Florida Keys.
This CEO and his clown town operation have yet to find and work a genuine Spanish colonial shipwreck then yet alone find any treasure. Please don't insult Fisher's memory with the comparison
Quote: Three seasearchers that work!
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VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE PLEASE.
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Kyle has said Juno may be a $15B wreck and the Order from the late 80’s giving Laird title says it can never be challenged. Now title belongs to SFRX.
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Common sense tells one that this is a very unsubstantiated statement. Misleading - baiting.
Kyle Kennedy does not know the name of the supposed wreck or the date when she was suppose to have sunk.
Not knowing the name or date of sinking, how can he come up with an? absurd 'fantasyland' value of $15B? To do so would mean there was research access to a manifest of registry treasure the no name, no date ship was carrying. What a load of crap.
Furthermore, this overall area of the 'Juno Beach site' was surveyed numerous times after Layrd by a number of competent treasure hunters; Robert Marx, David Foster (Layrd son-in-law), Duke Long, etc.
Zero results but, hey, the 'Timmy Toy' will save the day just like it has at Melbourne.
Quote: They’ve had some personnel that could get......
the job done if a wreck was there. The survey data is screaming NOTHING IS THERE, and the survivor accounts
put the wreck further North in the Southeast Shoal.
Even with that HTQ had a much larger area (E-155) that included what was to be Seafarer’s Area 3 to the North and they let it expire some time ago.
Reddy was smart to move on. SFRX is the ONLY entity working under the new regulations.
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They are now half way though the season and haven't produced anything. There are those who learn through their mistakes but this outfit doesn't seem to learn anything. One circus act after the other. What happened to 'Timmy's Toy'? What will the next act be?
Sea conditions are workable as one can see. So where's the shipwreck? Where's the treasure? You can't find what isn't there but they just don't get it.
AMZ552-152130-
Volusia-Brevard County Line to Sebastian Inlet 0-20 nm-
332 AM EDT Thu Jul 15 2021
TODAY
East winds 10 knots. Seas 3 feet with a dominant period
8 seconds. A light chop on the intracoastal waters. Slight chance
of showers and thunderstorms.
TONIGHT
East winds 10 knots. Seas 3 feet with a dominant
period 8 seconds. Mostly smooth on the intracoastal waters.
FRIDAY
East winds 10 knots. Seas 2 to 3 feet with a dominant
period 8 seconds. A light chop on the intracoastal waters. Slight
chance of showers and thunderstorms.
FRIDAY NIGHT
East winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 2 to 3 feet.
Mostly smooth on the intracoastal waters. Slight chance of
showers and thunderstorms.
SATURDAY
East winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 2 to 3 feet. A light
chop on the intracoastal waters. Chance of showers and
thunderstorms.
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Southeast winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 2 to
3 feet. Slight chance of showers.
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Southeast winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 2 feet. Chance of
showers and thunderstorms.
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Southeast winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 2 feet.
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Southeast winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 2 feet. Chance of
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Quote: Actually
Looking for Treasure!
Once that is announced, this thing can trade as high as people wanna pay $$$$$ !
Yes, been here a While Now.
Waiting ........
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This outfit apparently doesn't know how to 'look for treasure' and surely doesn't know how to find it. Class A clown show in the treasure hunting industry.
Quote: Looks like an experienced team using the EdgeTech side scan sonar (aka outdated equipment) is more valuable than “alleged” game changing technology.
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I've worked for and known some of the best in this business. To see this clown show last as long as it has with zero results (shipwreck discoveries, recovery of sunken treasure) is really unbelievable.
Sea conditions are good so I wonder what the endless excuses will be this time?
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THIS AFTERNOON
South winds 5 knots becoming southeast in the
afternoon. Seas 2 feet with a dominant period 7 seconds. A light
chop on the intracoastal waters. Slight chance of thunderstorms
in the morning. Chance of showers. Chance of thunderstorms in the
afternoon.
TONIGHT
Southwest winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 2 feet with a
dominant period 8 seconds. Mostly smooth on the intracoastal
waters. Chance of showers and thunderstorms in the evening, then
slight chance of showers after midnight.
SATURDAY
South winds 5 knots becoming southeast in the
afternoon. Seas 1 to 2 feet with a dominant period 8 seconds. A
light chop on the intracoastal waters. Chance of showers and
thunderstorms.
SATURDAY NIGHT
South winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 1 to 2 feet.
Mostly smooth on the intracoastal waters. Chance of showers and
thunderstorms.
SUNDAY
Southeast winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 1 to 2 feet. A
light chop on the intracoastal waters. Chance of showers and
thunderstorms.
SUNDAY NIGHT
Southeast winds 10 knots. Seas 2 to 3 feet.
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Southeast winds 10 to 15 knots. Seas 2 to 3 feet.
Chance of showers and thunderstorms.
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Southeast winds 10 to 15 knots. Seas 3 to 4 feet.
Slight chance of showers and thunderstorms.
TUESDAY
East winds 10 to 15 knots. Seas 3 to 4 feet. Showers
likely and chance of thunderstorms.
Could Heartland Treasure Quest Have Found the Missing 1715 Fleet Concepción? An Alternative Theory
Rob Westrick
The patache Nuestra Señora de la Concepción, San José y San Francisco is one of the missing 1715 shipwrecks awaiting discovery. The Concepción struck the south side of Cape Canaveral and sank. Seven survivors floated on a hatch cover for three days as the currents swept them around the shoals and sand bars of the cape, where they landed on beach and walked to St. Augustine. Treasure hunters have been looking for the Concepcíon for years without success.
Patache, Nuestra Señora de la Concepción, San José y San Francisco: 265-tons, armed with thirty-two iron cannons, Master Pablo Soliac, owner Don Antonio Echeverz went to Havana where she loaded 3,000 pesos in gold doubloons, four gold bars valued at 5,703 pesos, 15 serons of cocoa, one chest of vanilla, 15 3/4 tons of brazilwood, 1,440 cured half-hides and a large quantity of tobacco.
Rex Stocker and his company Heartland Treasure Quest discovered an as yet unidentified debris trail or shipwreck site off Cape Canaveral. Stocker a resident of Sebastian, Florida was a former member of the Real Eight Company in the 1960’s. Heartland Treasure Quest (HTQ) had secured an exploration permit from the State of Florida Division of Historical Resources to search for shipwrecks off the cape. They then obtained a permit from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to salvage treasure within about a mile of shore from Cocoa Beach to Melbourne Beach. HTQ formed a partnership and agreed to subcontract the area to Amelia Research Company of Amelia Island; and Florida Research & Recovery, a group of investors primarily from Georgia.
In late August 2004, while exploring the area, the group recovered several artifacts that increased their hopes. Tom Funk, an archaeologist who teaches history at Satellite High School in nearby Satellite Beach, Florida stated to the press: ?Our artifact collection is pretty interesting. We have enough artifacts, I think, to show what period they belong to.? The most diagnostic artifact was a partially intact, silver-handled flintlock pistol dated 1709. It was also marked with the name of a manufacturer from Mexico. The pistol was loaded with two musket balls wired together. Other artifacts included what appears to be a boarding sword, which has a curved blade, a silver dagger or knife handle and two ornate silver Communion or Church platters beautifully inscribed with names of nobles or merchants. The collection also included some cannonballs, pewter plates and many other period artifacts including pottery, bronze and iron spikes, and wood ship pieces all indicate a shipwreck buried over time. According to the company’s Research Design Plan, the shipwreck is located in a deep layer of heavy anaerobic (without oxygen or bacteria) clay, covered with sand with seabed conditions including low visibility, shark infested waters, difficult to salvage, and in cold deep waters.? These conditions should allow very favorable conditions for a high level of preservation potential.
Flintlock pistol dated 1709. (Photo: courtesy Florida Research and Recovery Group)
The area where the artifacts were recovered lies about twenty-seven miles south from the tip of Cape Canaveral, opposite Spessard Holland Beach, off Melbourne Beach, Florida. HTQ is confident that the artifacts could be from the patache, Nuestra Señora de la Concepción, San José y San Francisco, one of the missing 1715 fleet shipwrecks. The Concepción struck the south side of Cape Canaveral and sank. Seven survivors floated on a hatch cover for three days as the currents swept them around the shoals and sand bars of the cape, where they landed on beach and walked to St. Augustine. One particularly interesting statement given by a survivor is on deposit in the Archivo General de Indias at Seville, Spain. He testified to a court notary that he floated on a hatch cover for three days within sight of land:
?... Captain Sebastian Mendez, pilot of the ship...he departed from Havana on the 24th day of July in
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company of the Galleons and the Flota, and he was lost on Wednesday the 31 , at two o'clock in the
morning, because of a hurricane that came on from the east-northeast so strongly that although he has sailed the seas for many years and suffered through many tempests he has never seen another like it for violence, and his ship and all the rest were lost, some before and some after Palmar de Ays (Cape Canaveral), at 28 degrees 10 minutes (North Latitude)...in an area nine leagues (27 miles) from north to south...?
Other historical information gathered by Heartland Treasure Quest reveals there were visual sightings reported during the hurricane to the west towards the lower mouth of the Banana River which is at 28° 08 minutes. The Southern Area of the E-155D exploration permit area is situated just south of the lower mouth of the Banana River. Artifacts have been found both to the north and south of this location by beachcombers for many years.
Concepción Update:
On November 10, 2012 I had an interesting and informative phone conversation with salvor
Glenn ?Ace? Ridgely. Ace was diving with Seafarer Exploration Corporation (SFRX), a salvage company led by CEO Kyle Kennedy. According to Ace, Seafarers had been trying to get a salvage permit to work the Juno Beach wreck but kept getting denied by the State of Florida’s Bureau or Archaeological Research. State officials cited the company didn’t display enough ?financial? capabilities to do a responsible job. Ryan Wheeler, the Florida Division of Historical Resources’ archaeological research bureau chief, promised Kennedy they would be granted a permit if he could raise $500,000. Seafarers promptly raised the half million. What happened next is somewhat clouded with confusion. Ace informed me that the State of Florida hadn’t issued a new salvage permit in over twenty years and the emails proved that government officials were using their
positions to essentially prevent citizens from doing what they were legally entitled to do ?salvage shipwrecks? under state law. Heads rolled and one individual was fired, another was demoted and several others in the department were either terminated or transferred to other departments.
Prior to his involvement with Seafarers, Ace had been diving with Florida Research & Recovery. The company was working in conjunction with Heartland Treasure Quest searching for the Concepcíon of the 1715 fleet. They found a cannon outside of Heartland’s exploration contract area. Ace told them they should file for a lease extension to just include the newly discovered cannon, but at the time it was just an old rusty cannon and instead of submitting the necessary paperwork it was easier just to pick up the cannon and drag it a few hundred yards to a new location within their area. Ace felt they were more interested in attracting new investor money. Later they returned to the original cannon location and found something very interesting. An old flintlock pistol and some silver platters. Subsequent cleaning revealed the pistol was dated 1709. The silver platters were stamped with the owners mark. Further research obtained through Dr. Eugene Lyon revealed the owner was a passenger and aboard the Concepción.
Flash forward to the present-day. Kyle Kennedy bought part of the Heartland Treasure Quest group and now owns the Heartland lease area. The Concepción represents one of the biggest undiscovered? shipwrecks in Florida waters. According to Ace, Robert Bendis, who had replaced Wheeler wished the entire mess had not happened and the State of Florida is now working with Kennedy. Ace stated Seafarers should be getting a permit within the next few months to salvage the Concepción.
I asked Ace for some clarification regarding on the pistol and platter. Ace wrote me back stating:
Heartland Treasure Quest found the pistol. I think Steve Reedy’s son Zack found the pistol and platter, I don’t know who else was diving at the time. The pistol was made by a gunsmith sent over to the new world by King Philip V to make presentation pieces of gold and silver he made pistols and swords I don't know his name though, once Rreedy goes public with the platter story you can contact him for all the inside story but not until then. The pistol is unique because of its flint lock down device he is the only person to make that type of lock down, there has only been one other pistol found like it and it was found on the Corrigan's wreck site and I don’t know who found it or when it was found. I’m sure it will be found in Taffy’s (Fisher’s) records of that wreck site, booth pistols are made of silver and are very unique pieces. (500)
Could Heartland Treasure Quest have found the missing Concepción? Is Ace right in his assessment that Seafarer Exploration Corporation could be awarded a permit to salvage the wreck? Or is all this talk merely another pipedream, wishful thinking and people believing what that want to believe and hearing what they want to hear in the quest for sunken treasure? Only time will tell!
References Cited:
?Hunters Scour Sea for Sunken Ships? by Jim Waymer in Florida Today, April 28, 2004 HTQ, Inc. Supplemental ?Attachment C? E-155D, June 3, 2010? by Thomas Funk. Personal Correspondence with Glenn ?Ace? Ridgely
Personal Correspondence with Jim Stringer, Florida Research Recovery Group.
Where does this saying come from; 'Fools rush in where angels fear to tread'. Believe it has something to do with treasure hunting?
Quote: Regardless look for more updates on real shipwreck sites.
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As we well know these clowns don't even know what a 'real' shipwreck site is. Just you wait and see. The 'Timmy Toy' will solve that little problem.