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Just my way of recognizing how everything vplm gets delayed delayed delayed just as upcoming trials have already been pushed back and back and I believe will be pushed back some more. I've been correctly predicting these moncky wrenches for years. If you don't like my presentation, don't read them. Catch ya in 2025/6/7.......minimum.
Motive?.......expressing my belief.
BR-----AAAAKING NEWS!
Trial dates in November......................................................................................... 2025........................................................................or 26..................or 7
The announcement of a "settlement" with Amazon was announced over 5 months ago........... No 8k, no 10Q, no settlement..........just another in a 20 yr long string of total bullshit announcements by vplm...........and almost all the shareholders simply let something like that slide. No complaints from us lord Emu so carry on and we'll keep carrying you. Youz our daddy!
Some considerable time ago, I posted that things have come to the point where my read was that the pps would now be hanging around between 2 and 2.5 cents. I said that in the face of the prediction by someone else, due to the great BOD sell-off which still goes on, that the pps would be going to the high sub two's. It did indeed go there but the avg pps since I made my prediction and til now, is solidly between 2 and 2.5 cent exactly as I said it would remain. I find that they need to hang in that niche now, in order continue for the monster giant green share printing/share selling, bs PR authoring and personal ATM machine to keep on operating!
Must be kidding....... They can't even reach a plugged nickel
How about just ONE damn voip company......i repeat, JUST ONE! who wasn't part of the borg collective, who didn't find it correct to go "steal" the patented technology, lolol.....and then to totally ignore the gargantuan losses they would have by not settling, partnering, licensing or buying, which automatically paints a big target on their back so they and their fiduciarily considered shareholders and constituents can just sit back and wait for the incoming missile to come crashing down on them!
J U S T... O N E !
But noooo, nary one. How much common sense is needed to see thru THAT?
Really?? Omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg.......huff huff.... Omg omg omg omg... huff huff huff..... Omg omg omg.............. When?
Are the patents REAL? Of course!
Are the patents VALID? Of course!
Does that MEAN anything? Yeah, it means they are real patents which makes them valid.... Duh
Does that mean they work as advertised? NOPE
Does that mean they have any value? NOPE
Does that mean they have been infringed upon? NOPE
Does that mean they ever will any more than a lowly 2 cent stock. YES, sub penny back on the agenda ending in trips.
Does that mean vplm is worth billions and billions, as purported?
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Then you must be deeply in love with good ol vplm. It's a great fairy tale. Don't you think lord Emu should swallow his pride and approach Cameron to sell the script and use the money to give us some kind of dividend?
I see you've of course reverted back to name calling.... Find yourself another victim. I'll not be yours.
Buh-bye...
No, you have NOT explained it to me many times, plus the fact that you couldn't if you tried because it is an indisputable fact that IPR "wins" do nothing to prove or even bolster infringement trials. NOTHING. ZERO. NADA. ZILCH. And you cannot explain or otherwise convince me otherwise because I have researched this and I know better. It is YOU who has had this explained to you many times and you either refuse to or simply don't understand the logic and common sense as well as the law, on the matter. For the umpteenth time........when an accused infringer starts an IPR that's his right. ANYONE can start an IPR. He does so because he is trying to find the cheapest and quickest way of avoiding being dragged into a trial. That is whether he is guilty or not because you still have to defend yourself or lose by default. So the IPR is his way of throwing shit against the wall to see if it'll stick. If they win, its a REAL WIN because now the patent is either no longer valid, which puts and end to it, or, if only some small part of the patent is found to be invalid, then the patent is still valid but has less attributes thus worth less overall. So that is a real and tangible plus for the accused infringer.
On the other hand..........try to follow along.........if the IPR is decided in the favor of the patent owner, then it's simply a wash. Nothing gained. Nothing lost. The patent holder leaves the courtroom WITH EXACTLY THE SAME THING HE HAD WHEN HE WALKED INTO THE COURTROOM..........in fact, the same thing he had the day and the moment his patent applications was 1st granted. Try, if possible, to remember the big freaking deal that was made of the job the venerable USPTO does/did in procecuting the application. Try remember all the peeps here who went on and on about how no one is more qualified and expertise in checking all the things that need be qualified, in order to issue a patent, THAN THE USPTO EXAMINERS. Peeps here have real short memories if not selective ones. Such a deal they made right here on this board about how great and knowledgeable the uspto is. In fact, I also recall how those same peeps here kept harping on the fact that the uspto examiners were so good that they rejected some of the patent applications at 1st and vplm had to correct whatever the issues were in order for uspto to continue to procecute the patents. Those folks here kept rubbing that in. I remember everything... So the point there.....was to rub it in how hard the examiners worked to cover all the bases, and prior art, dotting all the "I" 's and crossing all the "T" 's.
So there isn't supposed to be any mistakes from USPTO.......haha.......but we all know about the corruption in their right arm, the PTAB which as far as I'm concerned, means the uspto is or was also corrupt and that's why for years I've always referred to them as the "one - two punch" uspto/PTAB partnership. They're just in it for the huge monies they pull in as a pair, in my opinion.
So, the bottom line is that when it comes to actual infringement, THAT is what clearly must be shown and proven in court...... NOT.......as so many keep insisting on, whether IPRs were won or lost nor the number of them. THAT.......HAS ZERO to do with infringement. In other words, patent validity, has nothing to do with infringement, other than the fact that if a patent is found to be invalid, well, then it's a moot point. If it it's in court in an infringement trial, then it's automatically valid and that had no bearing on infringement.
Either you get it or you don't. If you don't or don't agree, that's fine but I don't want to discuss it any further as it would waste both our time. You're free to believe 36 IPR favorable judgements will bring you riches. Get your yacht dealer on speedial.
Me done
Haha.....when you put it that way, I guess I can understand. It's truly amazing how this couple handful of beliebers latched onto this idea that the 2 things are closely connected in terms of winning or losing patent infringement cases, no matter how many times and ways it's explained to them.
A few days ago, I was a bit frustrated about that and no one ever has stepped up to present a legal logical reason or reasons why positive IPR outcomes would serve to help a judge rule on infringement. So I decided to do my own search and I used every plausible applicable set of search terms and guess what?.............i could not find a single instance anywhere that identified positive IPR outcomes (for the patent owner) as an influence or deciding factor in any way shape or form. I searched for at least an hour if not more. I was begging the internet to agree with what these "experts" here keep saying over and over for years. I could not find any such agreement. Not that I was surprised... There was a few mentions of the IPRs in conjunction with an infringement trial but it was nothing to do with winning or losing IPR decisions. It was to do with something else but I forget at the moment what it was. In any event, I think I saved some if not all of my findings. I might post it.
Orca's are more dolphin. And elephants eat peanuts, not orca's, get your phyla straight.....
lolol
Do you actually think these insiders depend on vplm for their income, as if it was their main squeeze, lol? Vplm is nothing more than an Emu sitting in a pizza booth with his laptop... Besides, they pay everyone with shares. And if they DID depend on the share sales for their main income at the expense of all the retail shareholders and an ever shrinking crapola share price, do you think that's exercising fiduciary duty. This is a share printing, share selling, personal ATM biz.
This is so funny....... everytime a announcement is made about more positive outcomes on IPR challenges, the faithful beliebers start turning cartwheels, when that has zero to do with proving infringement. It's become hilarious to watch this. Duh duh double duh. Infringement trials are about proving patent infringement not patent validity.
Since I'm forever locked into the black with vplm, this situation comedy is totally worth the price of my shares, if they never go to my fiddy cent sell point. Vplm has become as entertaining as the old TIV stock case. Bravo!
Maybe you can explain to me........what does positive IPR challenge outcomes have to do with winning or losing an infringement trial?
That's what I thought.... A wise man said, "the shadow of a man, keeps the crickets chirping".
Vplm.......the land of the moncky wrenches! If they haven't lied to you yet, wait 5 minutes, they will (incl lackeys)
You should see that combination printing press and personal ATM machine. A sight to behold!
Ritchie Rich "inYA pockets" Inza was quoted here as saying the alleged "settlement" was a good one, in so many words. If that were true, then what sense would it make for the group of insiders to be selling all their shares, apparently as fast as they can, at less than the price of crappy dirt? Can this be explained? And also, would such a settlement not be of a "material event" nature? If so, where was the required 8K to be filed within 4 days and/or any mention in the last quarterly (since the announcement of the settlement was on 5/2)?
I know I know......its vplm, the land of let it slide if it's not in line with a pro agenda... Lol
You are speaking most assuredly about yourself. I am a very honorable person and I would challenge you to show proof differently (intelligently, if that's within your scope, which I doubt after what you just said, but take your best shot if you want to embarrass yourself). He, on the other hand, and I have a significant amount of 1st hand knowledge, is not. I have numerous instances of proof of that but unfortunately it's not allowed to be posted here, so I can't. Some others have done so and I don't know if they were removed or not. I choose not to breathe rules. It's quite obvious that you don't know details about this subject but choose to speak as though you did. That's ok, you're entitled to show you don't know what youre talking about just like your entitled to attempt to malign me. I can't wait for you to reveal to all what I've said that makes me not be an honorable person. Should I hold my breath waiting?
You may be a shadow of a man, but your not the shadow
1st of all the saying, as it usually goes is...... "never argue with a stupid person, as they will drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. You, like soooo many others, who believe anything and everything they read, accepting such as gospel and then proceed to use the accumulated BS to argue with, patting themselves on the back along the way, for their supposed wit, when all they are actuality doing is spreading the BS thinner.
If you and all the others doing same, would bother to substantiate things, you would know that many have attributed these words or similar to Mark Twain. Problem is.......... HE NEVER SAID IT!.
nowcomestheentertainmentoftryingtoprovehedid
He's not being hard on himself at all. He just likes to play martyr, as though it's of some benefit. It's a dumb and redundant tactic in my opinion. He's also stated he would no longer post on this board anymore when someone very lightly questioned him once. But it's just bs because then he comes back and has lots of good useful knowledge to impart. But has to play that martyr game. Hey, to ea his own. His right to do so. Afaic, it does not add credibility. I've asked him some intelligent questions and done so politely and he just ignores......why?.........same reason as many others.......simply because my sentiments are not the same as his re: vplm. Terrific reason...
How witty of you to say... It's amazing how uninformed some are about the true nature of some things.
Vplm has always paid their recruits well...
Hahaha ah hahaha hahaha "today's technology"..........lolololol......but vplm's near 20 yr old alleged technology WILL work with today's state of legacy/cellular/wifi hohohohho ha ha ha hehehe. Omg, wait til you see the size of these coming monkey wrenches! For use by monster monkeys...
When an ignoramus refers to their self as a scholar, I get a chuckle. It reminds me of a functional illiterate or a working heroin addict... That's why I luv this board so much I cut the cord.
By the way, since I'm not one of those lower caste scholars, but decried, decreed and degreed, let me just remind that it's those so called scholars who right here on this board, way back when, announced and repeated, with so much fanfare, that the ALLEGED infringers would NEVER EVER allow themselves to take part in discovery...........because they would not want to divulge and expose their source codes. They said that they would settle 1st if it got to that point. Yup, THAT'S what was said here actually many times and in one of those, you know, oh so "knowing" ways. Those of you with search functionality should look that up and see for yourselves, esp since I know how easy and convenient selective forgetfulness can be at times.
So anyway, how many discoveries have indeed taken place at this point? 2? More? And guess what....? Didn't happen did it? Those who say you can't learn any useful facts reading posts, are wrong. So much can easily be extrapolated by paying good attention and not letting misinformation slide. When it comes to slides, vplm hosts the world's largest, bigger than any amusement park. And the twists and turns are unmatched.
Oh and by the way, when those bully scholars spun that tale, I did the research and found it wasn't true the way they said it, because the law affords protections to the owners of those source codes. Pretty sure I even left a link or a copy/paste of said law. So I knew ahead of time that discovery would happen. And guess what, none have settled in front of discovery, have they? They don't seem to give a rats petoot, do they? Oh, and as far as the alleged Amazon "settlement", that has all but proven to be a mirage and just another in a long line of vplm lies. Very similar lies as well, going way back. But those so called scholars will and have let that slide. Not important. Not relevant. Not material....
And that's what leads to a stock and a msg board being IN THE BEST POS EVER! (emphasis on POS) .
That shows how much you know.......or don't know.
If one were to check the postings over time, from way back, what would emerge is a great moving back of the goalposts in ultra slow motion so most never noticed. I did.
Oh, you must mean having 21k posts... and a hobby of hunting for pennystocks.
I know, I know.....its different for you. I get it.
"Sadly you and other investors have gotten so desperate that your big wish is to get ANY settlement or jury trial decision. It's gotten that bad that you all will take anything at this point and be satisfied. So much for those "billions and billions" of ongoing infringements huh?"
So true..........
That just means you don't understand what I mean by junk. As I've repeated enough times that you should know if you paid att, I've said all along that the patents are valid. I've also made it clear, even today, that it's not my fault that some don't have the discernment skills to be able to seperate patent validity (legally) from patent viability in terms of need, efficacy, value, etc. There IS a major difference whether you realize or not. But aside from that and more importantly, and as I've said over and over, the patents are valid and so that's not really the issue to be resolved in the infringement trials. In fact, due to estoppel, no old claims that have been shot down, will be able to be brought up again anyway, which is really the only tangible positive of any positive IPR outcomes for vplm. I owe that knowledge to the only person on this board who was ever able to show any real or legal benefit for vplm in getting the positive IPR decisions they got. It's estoppel and now I can't remember for certain who gets that credit but I'm thinking it was maybe gbc. Sorry if I got that wrong. But back to the the infringement trial consideration, it won't be validity, it will be simply proving infringement.
While I haven't said so before, being the fair balanced reasonable and objective person I am, I can see it's possible that 1 or more voip companies may indeed have stolen or copied and used some part of some patent that's up for trial soon or later and if that happens it's also possible for some new challenge to the validities could be brought forth to the court or maybe it could even result in a monetary award.........but I doubt it.
What I think will happen is that there simply is little to no infringement going on. Or, I'm thinking it's also possible to show that while the patents are fully valid, that they functionally cannot deliver the job they promised. That could be due to a number of reasons, such as now outdated or incompatible with today's state of legacy. Or for any number ofn other possible technical reasons, which would render a different type of invalidity. Something new and not brought up before.
All I know for sure is that if I was an infringer and knew it, I would not be sitting on my thumbs waiting to hauled into court to get hit with triple damages. Plus lose the ability to sell my product. Or be forced into a huge settlement amount. So I'm not buying that vplm will fare well.
Which obviously includes your post at the top of the list....
Vplm infringement cases are all doomed to mootness, but the end is not nigh. Woe are they.
And the reason it never happens is because the patents are junk. And the litigants know it. Doesn't mean the patents are not valid, they most certainly are. It's not my fault that ppl cannot ever seem to grasp the concept, which is factual, that once a patent application is approved it's then a valid patent and remains so for it's life unless some court action deems it to be no longer valid. And most importantly, getting patent approval does not include anything in the realm of value, efficacy, need or future compatability, etc. Many here seem to think it does. No. And just because challenges to validity, an oft used tactic, fail, does not add ANYTHING to the patent in any way shape or form, beyond the fact nothing was lost or gained. 1000 IPR positive outcomes is no more beneficial legally, than 1 or zero. But at the same time the patents may very well not be capable of accomplishing what the company has hyped them up to be, ESPECIALLY with their oft used hyperbolic claims that every single voip service provider and user on the planet, are infringing. And that there is "no way to circumvent" that so called fact. And/or that according to vplms figures, models and templates, the total potential value, ONLY in infringement damages, is in the hundreds of billions of dollars and that is not counting all the other revenue creating abilities such described patents would have. Long ago I calculated it to easily surpass a total long term value of over a trillion dollars to the owner. Such claims are as ridiculous as they sound but not because it wouldn't be true IF the patents were capable of what the company has claimed, in terms of being foundational and completely necessary to the operation of voip services, which isn't true. Many service providers operate without any part of vplm patents and successfully so. Obviously, to anyone with a lick of common sense would instantly know that not every provider in the world went out and stole vplm patents or accidently came up with the same software and coding. There are, for example, other RBR systems out there that were in use before vplm patents and some of them are open source. I have even posted some of them years ago here. As usual no one paid any attention or cared. The blind beliebers just accept whatever they're told as gospel. I'd love to hear someone explain how Hudnell, regardless of how many added supers and extra titles preceding him, could possibly know beyond any shadow of doubt that the patents can do all they've been cracked up to do? Did he test them? Does he possess the official results of the alleged worldwide nodal testing that BOTH digi and vplm claimed to have done? And if he does, are said results were conclusive and exhaustive? And if so, why has he not said so and/or presented them to the shareholders?
I can answer that. It's not because the patents are useless and valueless. They have proved that ever since they were created. Actually, I shouldn't say valueless. They were of great value to the engineers who created them and took some $18 million, according to lord Emu... And they had a relatively small value to digi when they sold them to vplm. They also have been the underlying reason, INDIRECTLY, mind you and not due to any demonstrated ability, for the STORY that vplm has been selling for all these years. And the story worked! Because it professes to be the key to worldwide internet communications that cannot survive without it. And it worked because the monetary promises to shareholders were not thousands or tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands or millions or tens of millions or even hundreds of millions or even a few billion......but many many hundreds of billions of dollars all things considered. That was and is UNPRECEDENTED! WHAT OTHER STOCK, ESPECIALLY AN OTC PENNYSTOCK THAT HAS AVERAGED AROUND 2 CENTS FOR THE LAST CLOSE TO 20 YEARS? I'm sure the answer is none period. But all the promises and all the alleged super lawyers and platform upgrade and false promotions and promises along with all the rest above have been enough to do it's hook, line and sinker job to those who choose to believe or just don't know any better. But one lie after another. One unkempt promise after another. One unproven claim after another and one year after another and another and another and another, et al, has not fooled me.
1st of all, to answer my own question......
What is considered material for an 8-K?
The form's official title is "Form 8-K Current Report Pursuant to Section 13 or 15(d) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934." It is used to report material events affecting a company subject to SEC oversight. An event is material when it could affect a reasonable shareholder's investment decision.
I find that pretty darn clear in terms of an announcement of a deal being made with one of the largest companies in the world and a company that claims they are using their patented technology. I'll be damned and eat 2 or 3 of my hats if that's not enough to cause some shareholders to act. Simple. Non ambiguous imp.
Oh yeah, now I remember..... I was telling ppl here that the 10Q was due out approx the 15th and it came out on the 14th.
Also though the Amazon settlement announcement was on 5/1. You say 5/3. It was actually on 5/2.
Seems like that would be early enough to be incl in the 2nd quarter 10Q but I couldn't find any mention in fact I think it specifically said there were NO MATERIAL EVENTS. Hmmmmm... Maybe I need to brush up on what exactly constitutes a material event. The PR sure looked like a material event announcement. But then again it's well known to some of us the level of wordcraft and hyperbole vplm has always always used......why??.......lol, to sell more shares of course! Duh.
Oh and interesting but certainly no surprise that vplm, staying tight with their usual MO, has removed that PR, lololol. Not the 1st time that's for sure. 2 of the more infamous times, was when VPLM BLATANTLY LIED about not having anything to do with the sawyer letters. Somehow they got busted for that and that PR disappeared, replaced by a very LAME replacement PR where the fact was almost totally avoided. Typical vplm fare. Weasel your way thru or out. The 2nd onenI recall is when they published on their website the names of roughly 60 alleged infringers and then almost immediately that was taken down forever after. Gee, wonder why? Reminds me of the LONG AWAITED AND CALLED FOR infringement letters which vplm punked out on for a long time and shareholders were complaining quite a bit. Finally they announced it was done and some of the letters were published. I don't know why cuz they were embarrassing. They did not accuse anyone of infringement. They were what I like to call love letters. They said something to the effect that "we want to let you know of the possibility you may have infringed" or something close to that verbiage. They asked them to please take a look at it. To me, after all that had been said and done or not don't to that point, they sounded pathetic. Every company denied infringement and said they had no interest in vplms claims and basically told vplm to go pound salt, same as they've effectively been telling them ever since. The defendants have to defend themselves and fight back at vplm in order to not lose cases by default.
I want to know if they ditched filing a material event OR it was just ANOTHER of the many vplm HEADFAKES. EITHER WAY NOTICE HOW THEY ARE allowed to get away with it just like all the other filings, it seems.
Might be drinking the kool-aid or in your case, eating it. The alleged or non existent settlement was announced I believe about May 1st. The way the announcement read, I took it to mean a done deal that maybe needed some details ironed out. In any event, seems like there was enough time until the 10q came out to put something in that filing. However, if not, then perhaps you can tell me why it wasn't reported within 2 days (or 4?) on the required 8k? Even if only said to be a settlement in principle, would that not be a material event? And even if that doesn't work, legally, then what about the 45 days? That's looong gone and still no 8k. I've posted the 10q and 8k regulations here a couple times. Where or how to get around this? Are you saying it's not a material event until money changes hands? This shady, ambiguous, misleading manner of communication from voip al ose money has ALWys been their MO and their forte. It reeks of anti-fiduciary mode of operation. Not fooling me a bit. They have a long history, well documented, and posted usually by me, of blatantly misleading and outright lying to shareholders and potential shareholders in order to PUMP, PUMP, PUMP YOU UP!
Scoundrels I tell you, downright scoundrels and they keep on doing the same year after year because the beliebers keep swallowing your swill.
It's apparently just another of a long string of lies designed to play ya like a fiddle and strum ya like a banjo so you'll buy shares or more shares. Same kind of lies, some near verbatim, have been slewn about for many yrs by the owners of the big, digital/analog/laser/AI/bluetooth/voip/fiber optic/radio controlled, behemoth share printer, Personal insider ATM, phoney PR writer and rogue share selling machine. It's a sight to behold! It runs on solar, diesel, gasoline, ethanol, and wood shavings, all at the same time. It's vplms pride and joy and has been bought and paid for by you, and you and you, the lovely and generous shareholders. It's main focus are the TRUE LONGS. You know them, right?
The so called Amazon settlement was announced right here by BIG BETTY (see above) and subsequently verified by our ever so trustworthy Richard "inYA pockets" Inza, our go to vplm mouthpiece (IR) who won't answer emails or the phone unless you are "on the list" of known beliebers and undying supporters of lord vishnu Emu (ceo). It was posted here by a msg board goer who claims he got thru to him and had a conversation, that there was INDEED a Amazon settlement AND that we would be happy with it or it was "a good thing". Vplm has all sorts of code words and phrases......such as "offer on the table", lololol..... Those who know better take it with a grain of salt.
So anyhoo, the settlement announcement was made approx 5/1. That was plenty early enough to be reported as a tangible/significant (pardon me, I know neither of those is the right word but I can't think of the correct word at the moment, but you know what I mean) on the next quarterly filing or, if sooner, it's supposed to be reported within 2 days or 4 (I've seen both given when looking it up) on a form 4. But neither was filed, which is not only nothing new for this crew, but is their well established M.O.
The pro vplm crowd could care less about that punishable crime BECAUSE IT DECIEVES THE SHAREHOLDERS in attempt to hide the fact that the Emu and his wife Barbara as well as other BOD members, are selling out many many millions of shares at obscene profit margins as the shares, taken from us, we're obtained cheap as dirt or free not to mention the bogus "anti-dilution" scheme lord Emu had in place for years that gave him 40% of all shares sold.....FOR YEARS! Pretty sweet deal, eh? Oh, almost forgot....the settlement was supposed to be done and reported within 45 days of the announcement but that of course never happened either.
So it would at least appear for all intents and purposes there aint no stinking settlement. Oh and by the way, a bunch of other cases recently were dismissed with NOTHING for vplm shareholders.
I can't help it.... I gotta say this. This place breeds alot of hate (or many better put is it's used as their gathering place?) but in any event, due to that, I have something like 9 or 11 ignores. The problem is I have a couple fans or whatever their purpose is (?) who occasionally pm me to tell me someone said this or someone said that about me or about an thing they think I need to know about. They should stop wasting both our time as I don't care........but.........the one I just heard about is too insane to not make some kind of honorable mention. The setup is that for many years, around 10, my sole focus and underlying belief for all I say has CLEARLY been based on my belief that the patents are no good and that fact will eventually come out. But I have been so so so open and clear about that being the sole basis for all I've said. Everyone knows that or should. So the kicker is I'm told that some numbskull answered my question about what's a true long, with saying it's someone who needs to or should focus on the patents rather than everything else.... All I can say is amazing. (and stop with the pms already. If you have something worthwhile to say, why hide it?).
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I had that very same thought creep into my head about 5 min ago....and then I snapped out of it just a quickly to what you correctly mentioned.......smokescreen is most definitely the word of the hour, day, week, month, year and now welcome to decade number
Everything you said/asked were the right questions to ask and also shows how easy it would be to connect the dots to nefariousland, rather than making undeserved excuses for what should be and isn't.
By the way, DNS.....I just realized that you may have been directing your post elsewhere from what it appeared to, when you answered my true long question. I recall you having a certain sentiment about vplm in the past and the post you just made could easily be mistaken for a 180°, or it also could be taken as the same as before, in terms of where you aimed it. So if I misinterpreted that, apologies, and if I had it right, not.
No, definition is someone who makes stuff up out of thin air that they cannot possibly substantiate since 1) it isn't true and 2) as I've reported numerous times going all the way back to the events, after I wound up underwater from buying so many shares as the price was rising and then it crashed..... I wised up and not only recouped all the losses but I kept going and made a handsome profit which I then used to have things to show for it and then, when I thought the time was right, I quit buying and vowed to never buy another share of vplm and luckily, I stuck to that self promise otherwise I'd have lost it all again. I've never said I did anything different than that so any charges otherwise are nothing more than lies or stupidity, one, the other, or both. It would be very easy to post proof but I have no need to prove those things. None whatsoever. Plus, just because someone posts data or info that shows them in the black doesn't mean they haven't divulged the rest of the story that is a whole different story. I simply explained what I did, same as I have numerous times because it's true and exposes the liars for what they are. By the way, the way, the reason I don't care at all who believes or not, is because I have a brain that knows how to reason, not a skull full of mush that tries to create bs foe their own self gratification. At least we know who they are...
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