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The U.S does not care about the southern border, look there is a town on long island where you have thousands of illegals, you want to round them up, just get immigration to come on a weekday morning and you could deport them all, you want to fine the contractors hiring them, well set up a sting, everybody knows where to go
but again we don't care, they do work that nobody here wants to do, so the government could care less
you are right though even if the government did care it would take the military to secure the border
the only way you stop it is to have a mexico with a good economy
I never understood why latin america could not improve its economic situation, then again I can, corrupt governments, i laugh when republicans try to laud those great democracies down there
Another classic conservative trick of taking quotes out of context
Of course terrorists are pouring in, he said by invading iraq we have destabilized it and it is now more dangerous then when we had saddam contained for 10 years
Of course he is criticizing the war but he is smart enough to know we can't just cut and run
Because 20 billion of that money went to no bid contracts on companies like Halliburton, if you get allies involved you absorb some of the cost, and if the money is spent wisely then you have more for equipment
Don't remember him saying we are going to send more troops, he said he wants two new divisions not for iraq, and more special forces for the war on terror, he wants to get allies involved to send more troops
of course the allies were tricked even the great country of Poland that Bush was touting, their leader said the President lied to him, you know how you bring in more nations, you give them a piece of the reconstruction contracts, you allow them to profit as well, you allow them a say in how the new government should be
yeah saddam was a threat, who was contained and who did not attack america, currently the only enemy who attacked america is osama and al qaeda
does it make sense to you we have less than 20,000 troops hunting osama and they took the only arabic speaking special forces group to iraq away from afghanistan
Zit the big fake toughguy, who would run from a war, funny your one big terrorist abu nidal is no reason to invade iraq, many more countries harbor far more terrorists including Saudi Arabia, one of the biggest harborers of them all
Those palestinian payments has never been proven and it were true then we should invade Saudi Arabia, they fund more terrorism and anti americanism than most countries with their funding of madrassas around the world, and the Saudi's have telethons to raise money for the families of suicide bombers
and again we are not the palestinians, this is a war on terrorists who attack america and americans, not a war on all terrorism
if that were the case you dope if the IRA does not complete the Good Friday agreement and don't agree to give up their weapons then we will be fighting the IRA
and your final assertion that Saddam has committed acts of terror against his own people, yeah so does the leaders of many countries, sorry to say but it is up to the iraqi people to take care of that, we are not the policeman of the world
Idi Amin used to eat his own countrymen, what happened to him, oh that's right he lived in exile in Saudi Arabia
Zit the big fake toughguy, who would run from a war, funny your one big terrorist abu nidal is no reason to invade iraq, many more countries harbor far more terrorists including Saudi Arabia, one of the biggest harborers of them all
Those palestinian payments has never been proven and it were true then we should invade Saudi Arabia, they fund more terrorism and anti americanism than most countries with their funding of madrassas around the world, and the Saudi's have telethons to raise money for the families of suicide bombers
and again we are not the palestinians, this is a war on terrorists who attack america and americans, not a war on all terrorism
if that were the case you dope if the IRA does not complete the Good Friday agreement and don't agree to give up their weapons then we will be fighting the IRA
and your final assertion that Saddam has committed acts of terror against his own people, yeah so does the leaders of many countries, sorry to say but it is up to the iraqi people to take care of that, we are not the policeman of the world
Idi Amin used to eat his own countrymen, what happened to him, oh that's right he lived in exile in Saudi Arabia
Hap are you kidding us there have been numerous audio and video tapes that the CIA has voice matched to Bin Laden, also in some of those recent audio tapes he has referred to world events that proved it was recent
If here were dead it would have come out, the chatter would have been enormous among other things, and the CIA has no reason to lie about him being dead, especially with how it is hurting Bush's reelection chances
Zit you are clueless there have been numerous audio and video tapes and the CIA has voice matched each one, and the last audio tape contained information about world events that proved it was recent
If he was dead then the CIA would have declared it not a voice match, no way is it helping Bush for him to be still alive
If you are interested Neil Bush story on 20/20 tonight, pretty interesting how this guy makes money for doing nothing, simply for having Bush name, also how he works for a company that is securing million dollar deals in Iraq
Hey we all know American companies are going to make money in Iraq, but how about having open competition, not just giving it to Bush tied companies, how about giving some of the jobs and contracts to Iraqi's
and wow here is a good idea why not give some of the contracts to European companies so they can share some of the burden
You are just as blind as most of the Bush supporters
Rooster you are so simple minded
Yes well you are not going to get anything done unless you start funding new lines
I think we can agree you are no scientist
didn't say that, just said that how are you going to get allies when all of the reconstruction goes to one company
You are wrong in your assertion that Halliburton is the only company and you are wrong about that profit margin
First all of you are wrong, Bush does not allow government funding of stem cells, yes private companies are allowed, this is not Russia, but to get the job done we need government money
Halliburton and Bechtel have the majority of the contracts, they are using American kids right out of college to run for example the office of budgeting or office of security, yet they are denying Iraqi's with Phd's a part in the reconstruction
Ed you are pretty funny, even conservatives admit Bush lost, now look at Drudge his handlers are already coming up with an excuse
I can go over point by point, but will do that later, when a radical right wing radio talk show host like Steve Malzberg says Bush lost you know you are in trouble
and you know what you obviously are full of beans because you can't even admit when your guy lost, like I said it wasn't a homerun but a solid victory
My favorite was Bush saying the enemy attacked us, referring to Iraq
The Bush handlers are already making excuses, they claim Bush was emotionally drained from his florida appearance with the hurricane victims, funny stuff, when his handlers are making excuses you know it is bad
that was sad when he said I want to respond and he looked at the camera for like 5 seconds, was he waiting for a teleprompter
Orange you are wrong about that, in most of the races where there was a debate, the debates, especially the first debate has had a significant impact on the polls
I don't think I said unknown, although polls have consistently showed that 20 percent don't feel they know enough about him
My point was the same with Reagan, he was painted a certain way with the voters, until he was able to appear in the debate mano a mano, they say he was not what Carter had painted
same deal here
The flipflopper thing is not the big issue, after the convention Kerry closed the gap on who's the better leader on iraq and the war on terror, the swift boat ads and other Bush attacks questioned that and Kerry's numbers sank, I think tonight he showed he will be tough on terror
Why I will vote for John Kerry for President
By JOHN EISENHOWER
Guest Commentary
John Eisenhower, son of President Dwight D. Eisenhower, served on the White House staff between October 1958 and the end of the Eisenhower administration. From 1961 to 1964 he assisted his father in writing "The White House Years," his Presidential memoirs. He served as American ambassador to Belgium between 1969 and 1971. He is the author of nine books, largely on military subjects.
THE Presidential election to be held this coming Nov. 2 will be one of extraordinary importance to the future of our nation. The outcome will determine whether this country will continue on the same path it has followed for the last 3½ years or whether it will return to a set of core domestic and foreign policy values that have been at the heart of what has made this country great.
Now more than ever, we voters will have to make cool judgments, unencumbered by habits of the past. Experts tell us that we tend to vote as our parents did or as we "always have." We remained loyal to party labels. We cannot afford that luxury in the election of 2004. There are times when we must break with the past, and I believe this is one of them.
As son of a Republican President, Dwight D. Eisenhower, it is automatically expected by many that I am a Republican. For 50 years, through the election of 2000, I was. With the current administration's decision to invade Iraq unilaterally, however, I changed my voter registration to independent, and barring some utterly unforeseen development, I intend to vote for the Democratic Presidential candidate, Sen. John Kerry.
The fact is that today's "Republican" Party is one with which I am totally unfamiliar. To me, the word "Republican" has always been synonymous with the word "responsibility," which has meant limiting our governmental obligations to those we can afford in human and financial terms. Today's whopping budget deficit of some $440 billion does not meet that criterion.
Responsibility used to be observed in foreign affairs. That has meant respect for others. America, though recognized as the leader of the community of nations, has always acted as a part of it, not as a maverick separate from that community and at times insulting towards it. Leadership involves setting a direction and building consensus, not viewing other countries as practically devoid of significance. Recent developments indicate that the current Republican Party leadership has confused confident leadership with hubris and arrogance.
In the Middle East crisis of 1991, President George H.W. Bush marshaled world opinion through the United Nations before employing military force to free Kuwait from Saddam Hussein. Through negotiation he arranged for the action to be financed by all the industrialized nations, not just the United States. When Kuwait had been freed, President George H. W. Bush stayed within the United Nations mandate, aware of the dangers of occupying an entire nation.
Today many people are rightly concerned about our precious individual freedoms, our privacy, the basis of our democracy. Of course we must fight terrorism, but have we irresponsibly gone overboard in doing so? I wonder. In 1960, President Eisenhower told the Republican convention, "If ever we put any other value above (our) liberty, and above principle, we shall lose both." I would appreciate hearing such warnings from the Republican Party of today.
The Republican Party I used to know placed heavy emphasis on fiscal responsibility, which included balancing the budget whenever the state of the economy allowed it to do so. The Eisenhower administration accomplished that difficult task three times during its eight years in office. It did not attain that remarkable achievement by cutting taxes for the rich. Republicans disliked taxes, of course, but the party accepted them as a necessary means of keep the nation's financial structure sound.
The Republicans used to be deeply concerned for the middle class and small business. Today's Republican leadership, while not solely accountable for the loss of American jobs, encourages it with its tax code and heads us in the direction of a society of very rich and very poor.
Sen. Kerry, in whom I am willing to place my trust, has demonstrated that he is courageous, sober, competent, and concerned with fighting the dangers associated with the widening socio-economic gap in this country. I will vote for him enthusiastically.
I celebrate, along with other Americans, the diversity of opinion in this country. But let it be based on careful thought. I urge everyone, Republicans and Democrats alike, to avoid voting for a ticket merely because it carries the label of the party of one's parents or of our own ingrained habits.
pretty powerful stuff, Kerry even mentioned his support in the debate tonight
Don't think there will be one, think that is a trick, but because the Bushies have been trying to trick the country with the swift boat ads among others, I don't care, let people think there will be a draft if Bush is elected
I very highly doubt any president would invoke the draft, that said we are in a time where our forces are stretched too thin and if we ever had to fight iran or north korea(highly doubt that) we might need a draft
have to look at the numbers, we still have a lot of troops stationed in Europe we could use, does anyone have the real numbers of troops in each branch
oh yeah, i remember that one, that was funny
Well if you look at the early polls already they are all going to Kerry pretty handily on who won the debate
To me this election has always kind of been compared to Carter Reagan in 80, you had a president who had a lot of negative situations to deal with, the country was split, but they did not know Reagan, Carter had painted him as a warmonger, someone not too smart
In the debate Reagan dispelled all of that, he showed he was a credible alternative
and in the last week of the election, it went from being tied to a significant 8 point win I believe by Reagan, if Kerry builds on this momentmum I can see those undecideds swinging his way, much like they did for Reagan in 1980
But still 2 more debates left, just don't see how Bush will fare better, because he lost he will be feeling the pressure and he just looked a little lost tonight
I'm thinking maybe it has to do with the fact that he has had the least number of press conferences of any president, he just didn't seem ready
Orange actually the average of the polls has been about 5 points, hardly a very large lead
When did the audience laugh, I don't think you could ever hear that, which exact parts, I will replay the tivo and see
Just for the Record Kerry Wins, not a homerun or blowout but a credible win, I think this goes a long way to getting these polls even or plus Kerry in the next few days
Kerry was clear, concise, he did not go over the time limits,
While Bush was stammering, hesitating, looking down to read his notes too much, went over his time limit, seemed tired
2 big Bush mistakes was when he said the enemy attacked us when the question was whether you would ever preemptively attack another nation
Kerry caught that and said Bin Laden attacked us on 9/11 not Saddam, he made Bush repeat this in his rebuttal, something a good debater will try and do, make your opponent have to repeat a central argument of yours
Secondly in response to Kerry talking about the need to spend more money for homeland security, securing nuclear plants etc., Bush said well how is he going to pay for it
So basically Bush is saying the protection of the homeland has a price tag, big mistake, there were others, those were the big 2 that popped out to me
Curious to what you thought
Orange you are right about the hard core supporters, this is not going to change their votes, but not for independent voters and undecideds, this will go a long way in making Kerry the credible alternative
While I think that Dubya did not lose the election, he lost the debate, even the ultra conservative Steve Malzberg on wabc radio 770 am has admitted that
I think this debate will go a long way to reversing those national polls over the next few days
The debate was not a home run for Kerry but a solid win, especially in presentation style to which Bush did really bad, he went over time limits, stammered, struggled to read his notes too much, just seemed lost and tired at times
While Kerry was the clear and concise one, never hesitating and finishing on time every time
Just for the Record Kerry Wins, not a homerun or blowout but a credible win, I think this goes a long way to getting these polls even or plus Kerry in the next few days
Kerry was clear, concise, he did not go over the time limits,
While Bush was stammering, hesitating, looking down to read his notes too much, went over his time limit, seemed tired
2 big Bush mistakes was when he said the enemy attacked us when the question was whether you would ever preemptively attack another nation
Kerry caught that and said Bin Laden attacked us on 9/11 not Saddam, he made Bush repeat this in his rebuttal, something a good debater will try and do, make your opponent have to repeat a central argument of yours
Secondly in response to Kerry talking about the need to spend more money for homeland security, securing nuclear plants etc., Bush said well how is he going to pay for it
So basically Bush is saying the protection of the homeland has a price tag, big mistake, there were others, those were the big 2 that popped out to me
Curious to what you thought
Chickenhawk, some people feel it is their duty, not a choice, and it is either for children of greater means to not volunteer, for many it is a way out of a ghettoo, for others who don't have money for college it is a way to pay for school
Don't give us that all volunteer crap, it is up to our leaders to send our troops only when it is wise, saying volunteer does not take the burden off Bush and his neocon whores
For The Record Spree's Prediction of the Presidential Race
Kerry 289
Bush 249 electoral votes
OR
Kerry 316 electoral votes
Bush 222
Not sure at this point which one, depends on Florida
You heard it here first
Don't believe that source
Mschere can you show us some evidence of this big allegation by you, there is some history of you making grandiose statements about IDCC in the past, of course some can say that about me, but unlike you I have criticized this company before, hope you are not hyping this stock with bogus information
OT Whoever bought Halliburton just before the war made a nice triple
DD I am content to play the waiting game, if nothing by january I'm sure there will be June's at a nickel, of course the january 2006 i am thoroughly confident nokia will be done by then, but I will continue to take a chance on the dime or nickel until we get a result from nokia
Yeah DD you are right, I think I screwed up on that, most likely could have gotten the 30's, live and learn
To All Options Players those Jan 2005 35's are sitting there at 5 cents for the taking, couldn't resist putting some throw away money on those, strictly hoping for a settlement on that play, but for 250 plus commission you control 5,000 shares, not bad, I lose more at atlantic city
I thought Ericy was a bigger company than Lucent
Zip are you kidding us, if we don't get a good decision in the Nokia case, the Lucent case is not going to mean anything, funny stuff
ZITBOY LIES ONCE AGAIN, HAHA, BUSTED, MADE A FOOL OF, YOUR CREDIBILITY IS TOAST
Here is what you posted before you posted the article with the title of the article saying Moore receiving help, so obviously you can't read the article you posted because this is what you wrote before the article, who is the fool here, game, set, and match, clownie
zitboy_rev_11_3
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michael moore gets an offer for help from his fellow compatriots......gee, i wonder why y'all wont post your hero's latest news?.........and did you catch the windbag, who wouldn't shutup on hardball last night?.....yep, mario cuomo trying to tell the audience that moore's film is not propaganda, but is the truth.......he should change his name to mario qaedamo
thanks for the reply
sorry buddy but reading the second part of the quote lessens the blow somewhat but still implies that we will be hit to begin with because of Kerry, regardless of how he would handle it
and your assertion that he would handle it as a police action is against everything he has said, not to mention none of those votes were after 9/11, if you don't think most politicians changed their mind after that day then you are crazy
you have to wake up, no president after 9/11 is not going to react in an agressive fashion against another terrorist attack, because if they didn't they surely would not get reelected, in fact because of the fact that Kerry has been labeled as a wimp he would probably react even tougher than Bush would, if the Democrats are going to shed the soft on defense label they have to react even tougher when faced with an attack