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I know plenty about ECMH. So does JJ.
Present directors are high tech and honest. Past leaves a lot to the imagination. Original company name was First Colonial Ventures and played a major role in "The Mob on Wall Street" expose. ECMH would not be ones for NIR ta get in a legal battle with. This is the short answer to a very long story. They have some ultra interestin technologies. Rotary engines. alternative fuels, watercraft and secure data centers. I can provide more ta anyone interested. they're as far from a Medgen as it gets. At least for the last 3 years that is.
Yep I was just there JJ
It's him. Same address. Now if ya start a public company ya know where to go for guidence. For the readers who wonder who this is about, try this on for a fit. One of the key figuire in The Mob on Wall Street articles has started a consulting company for public company funding filing and more. You're not always in good hands folks, no matter what the website says.
That's akin ta finding Eric Noveshen, Daryls supply man, runnin
Toys for Tots
JJ, I had not heard that yet.
Your location for our buddy is accurate. I even have the home address somewhere in my notes. How did you come across the new company? A search or is he tied to yet another scam?
Tou seem to think that those with a colorful past don't meet new folks also with a colorful past and hatch new colorful deals. I can only respond to that possible belief with colorful language. These dudes are friggin crooks dude. They meet a greetother aholes with new game plans.
Are they members of Corey Ribotsky's hedge funds?
Was that a serious question Hugh? Let's take the Medgen case cause I'm familiar with that one. Medgen plays out the game and is completely dead. A scam was in place that conned shareholder a second time while they'd paid to recover investment money that was invested per bs PR claims. So Medgen is toast, done, history but still has a ton a NIR convertable debt. The Q states that Medgen is taken over by the lender (NIR). So a new CEO comes in per the group that now controls Medgen. Yep the lender NIR. This dude comes in ta do one thing. CONVERT SHARES. I wonder if NIR had anythin ta do with pickin the dude? I
m gonn guess YES.
The lost Flintstones tapes.
Some of the cast and producers are providin the out takes as we speak. Barney Dworkin turned on the street lights for that path and others will be quick ta follow. You're right about 2011 for Fred. I'm surprised we haven't heard the names Noveshen and Kravitz yet. Those two could drain the pond and they could just walk in a pick big fish up.
Are you representin those in LA or NY?
Owen is or has been sentenced in California for securities fraud. I was asked to look into this clown and his group by another CEO that had been touched by their scams. I've looked into various links and had many conversations about the group. The last i heard Owen was hidin out from those in the Southern District of New York who filed a RICO claim namin Ken and Hydrogen Hybrid Corp. You might look up that case and call the attorney of record. the case was dropped when the SEC got hold a Owen but I believe they served him at some LA address. The other avenue would be through Pro Motors Group which was name changed to Hydrogen Hybrid while under Owen as CEO and Goldenburg as accountant. The original Pro Motors directors were scammed out of their company by these two. Look up the Pro Motors Edgar filings. They will also help you out. I never talked to them but the contact name given to me was a Larry Palmer. As stated he was a victum and possibly is who you rep. I'm interested to find out if you will provide that info. Let me know if this gets ya where ya need ta be. If not I'll do some diggin.
many in this case means dozens.
I gave you a Google search phrase that would pull them up. If ya don't want ta take the time to do that search than don't.
You can purchase a low producin hho unit on ebay for less than $100.00. If you think you can build a public company around bad science and an overpriced, inaccurately hyped product you're wrong. If you like to try I welcome you to the game. Just don't expect different results than those who tried ta push the same flawed model and associated nonsense pump.
I am the initial producer of real science on this HHO Board. Go back and read. I also had many posts regardin corruption that are no longer available ta read. Again I warn ya, do ya really wanna go there? I'm actually thinkin of startin another board on various scams and the players involved. I'll also be profilin the honest ones and would expect readers to visit the boards of those profiled either with positive or negative posts. Just a larger scale of the info xrayview is postin now on the HLNT board.
yes if managed correctly.
In fact those are conservative numbers.
JJ, he never stopped even while in prison.
Read The Mob on Wall Street part 1 and 2. What you won't see in that article is that Murray brought in Ken Owen to run the show while Murray did time. As you mentioned Owen is now being sentenced for a new round of securities fraud. Guess what jj? If you did deep into that case you'll find an accountant mentioned in company filings. Can ya guess who that accountant is? Why it's Murray Goldenburg. I have plenty more on this last round of games played by Owen and Goldenburg. Another interestin point is that you mentioned Walt Tatum. Yep, Walt's Ken's brother in law. And yep Goldenburg was the back stage dude with Cyberads/Rhino. More to come as certain things develope here that I'm watchin.
Don't we know that, jj?
I believe you and go back to late 2005 talkin about that group and their deeds. Owen and Goldeburg were involved in a hydrogen gas scam from 2008-2010 when the SEC caught up with a convicted Owen of securities fraud. The interestin puppet master in these games is Goldenburg. I refer many to the Gary Weiss article available on the net, titled, The Mob on Wall Street. Give readers a link into the workings of this class. By the way readers, yes Murray Goldenburg was involved with NIR.
My honest hho company quest.
The failed hho scams are many. The only really active public company now pushin the hho technology is HLNT. You'll find some interestin threads on their Ihub board. None more interestin than the present one started by a poster named xrayview. I've also posted many links to HLNY directors as well as their various sub companies and their ownership, status as a company and their knowledge of the hho technology they claim to be selling.
Those interested should read the latest posts and responses to xrayview. As I said, I've also posted on the subject but those posts are no longer available to read.
I answered my own question?
are ya kiddin me dude. I don't have any questions. This whole thread links back to bad science and false claims by those tryin ta profilr the HLNT hho unit.
The HLNT unit is a low hydrogen producing product that is over priced at $1800.00. The regulation of the hydrogen per RPM's is simply wasting BTU's (power & fuel source). Someone claimed in a post that the oxygen produced in the electrolysis process had some combustion enhancement value. That's nonsense when you're talkin about less than .25/ liter per minute. It means or adds nothing.
The total nonsense banter back and forth by posters here and on the HLNT rag is interestin at least. The attempt to justify an over priced hho unit that produces less fuel (hydrogen gas) is the real point. Anyone can read all day on hydrogen and auto makers interest. The norm is a discussion on liquid hydrogen that would entail huge infrastructure changes, investment and control. Not at all interestin to those who know the effect and production of hho. I'm involved in this science and have been for a long time, to a greater extent than all of ya know.
My initial posts here and on the HLNT board were all related to my search for a public company that was involved in hho, was honest and understood what was needed to set them apart from the scams that have been layed down and have failed. I can assure you that no company I've looked into to date is even close to maximizing the technologies potential. Even a bigger concern to me is the management mentality that this technology attracts. It attracts those game players who love buzz words like hydrogen to build a house of cards around.
I've only identified one company so far that has the technological knowledge and integrity to do this right. The company is ECMH and to my knowledge they are not in the hho game yet. I was alerted to their interest by listening to a interview their CEO did on hho/hydrogen fuels. I'll p[ost a link to that interview on this board in another post.
I gave ya the reason.
Read it bro.
This might unbaffle ya
If ya don't inject oxygen the O2 sensor doesn't detect more oxygen and richen the air/fuel ratio which ya want ta do the opposite. The HLNT unit injectes a very small amount of hydrogen and also the oxygen that poses the O2 sensor problem. A garage type hho builder mistake.
Are ya sure ya want to continue down this path and destroy the nonsense which you are tryin ta sell? I warned ya about goin down this road. You're not comin up aces here dude.
Woog?
A dude named Les Price was convicted in a shortin scheme called Bermuda Shorts and Larry Wilcox was the FBI inside guy?
In either scenario.
Laundry or cold shower, should you ever end up wearing the soap. What is this The Flintstones?
Try ta comprehend this lyme.
A Hydrogen Flame is invisible. This is a concern because if there is an ignition from the engine intake it would not be noticed until something else burns. Hydrogen Gas is really an energy carrier (or Catalyst) that feeds the source and is not a consumable fuel in and of itself. Hydrogen gas enhances the burn efficiency of whatever it comes in contact with. Unlike other gases which really burn and are consumed during the process Hydrogen coverts back to water where it came from to be re-used again. If it mixes with too much oxygen it will spend its stored energy very quickly in the form of a flash back. Pure Hydrogen will not Flash Back in an ordinary atmosphere environment
Injecting HHO gas into the vehicle's intake tells the O2 sensor that too much oxygen is going into the vehicle's combustion chambers so the computer makes the gas mixture richer. This can actually decrease fuel mileage on HHO gas injected cars until the sensor is told to lean the mixture of gas to air, which is where drastic fuel mileage savings can be achieved along with emissions reduction. When running pure hydrogen the onboard oxygen sensor is not told to make the gas mixture richer so this is one less component to worry about when installing a hydrogen fuel injection unit.
This may or may not make hh v hho easier for ya ta understand. It’s not a huge issue as I stated in an earlier post but these are the scientific facts. You can accept them or not.
I knew I shoulda answered with.
Take more cold showers. Answer woulda been more fun.
Are ya gettin what ya want yet, lyme?
Lyme boy quote post 1
“Explain this with links to back what you say”
Lyme boy quote post 2
“Explain that. Don't toss me into a bunch of links with HHO systems. Explain your statement -->”
The laundry?
By that I mean this.
Many systems vent off the oxygen and use pure hydrogen gas so the don't have o2 sensor problems ta deal with. You may be mistakin knowledge for con man tactics. I'm use to it. I've tried to make it simple so it doesn't all fly over your head. Seems I've failed.
Really? I'm not understandin what?
Please enlighten me. I'm all ears if ya really want ta go there.
Google "hho oxygen seperation".
Read and listen until you're tired of it all.
Now that would take some braindeads CEO's Hugh.
But it is the pinks. I'm lookin at a scam now that pulled in a local plumber and made him their Fall Guy CEO. In the NIR model I think you'll find a different type. These are the "pay me and I'll convert shares everyday for ya." Who needs a product type of CEO.
lyme boy.
It's the hydrogen bro. Many systems eliminate the oxygen in order ta have pure hydrogen gas. Not a necessary step but the complete burn is all about hydrogen. Probably nothin ta argue about but it is the h you're after in the hho apps.
Cburg.
You're askin for info on hho and hho companies that many don't want you to have. I have plenty of info if you're interested. Need you email so it gets to ya.
That's a roger to do it right Cburg.
If ya understand the science and read my post you'll have the general idea of how it needs ta be done. No one but ECMH or another engine/ECU related piston engine company could do it. The method HLNT is usin is a joke.
My last stand?
Really? Wanna explain that dude? Probably not. Ya don't like what I post? All facts pal. Do ta wanna dispute any of it or are those facts better left along while you make nonsense claims?
Who ya talkin to?
Loanguy hasn't got a clue about the technology. Must be talkin ta me.
The funniest thing about the situation in Bedrock to me is that Fred's ole buddy Barney has rolled over on em like he's Betty at 2am in Hot Pants.
Ya ok.
So now he looks like Fred and is stupid too.
Very good point JJ.
They even reported the 49% as potential per the Framework Agreement. Now a stock promoter named Tobin Smith is misleadin potential investors with non existant equity claims. I think the moron just went braindead. Too much thinkin about his image and share position while the camera was on. Facts got fabricated again, this time it's undeniable. Dude even talks about his exhaustive DD. Dude's an idiot.
Fred was stupid.
I've said this from day one.
You need to read air fuel ration. Map the ECU at variours RPM's to read the amount of hho being produced and control fuel per the mapping and R&D reasults.
This may make it more simple to understand. A typical air/fuel ratio is 14.7/1. The higher the RPM's the more fuel needed. Your MAP or MAF sensor reads the air and controls the fuel injectors to keep the ratio at 14.7/1. More air taken in, more fuel needed to keep the ratio constant.
Now suppose you have an hho unit that produces 2 liters of hho per minute. That hho is injected to the air intake. The MAP reads it as air. As you increase the air reading you also increase the fuel the ECU injects. Therein lies your problem. All you are doing is burning ther fuel more complete because of the hho present. Your system reads RPM's and increases or decreases the hho per the RPM readin. The theory is that at the lower RPM's you need less hho to help the engine burn the fuel more complete. What you are not doing is controllin the air/ fuel ratio. I hope this is sinking in.
In order to use hho to maximum potential you need to set air/hho ratios and fuel (gasoline) needed to run efficiently. At the 2 liter / min hho production I mentioned your hho/air ratio is different dependin on the air the engine is taking in. You want all of the hho you can produce and never need to regulate hho going into the engine. Instaed you set ECU fuel intake at various RPM's. You will never run at the standard 14.7/1 ration. ay idle you may be at 30/1 because of the low air intake and high hho percetage in that air. At 3500 RPM's you may be at a ratio of 20/1 because more air is being taken in and the air/hho ratio cahanges to a higher air percentage. These are my calculated numbers and need to be tested and set after proper testin.
At the end of the day your engine only knows that it is getting the needed btu's to run at optimum. A 30/1 ratio is very lean. Much less gasoline needed and the engine runs great and cool. At 20/1 in higher RPM ranges you are still using a lot less gasoline.
With this type of ECU control of air/hho/gasoline you are at the most efficient level possible. You inject less gasoline, burn it more completeand produce almost no emissions.
That's the opposite of what should happen.
You should be monitorin the air/fuel ratio and adjustin that per the amount of hydrogen you're producin. Why would you limit or regulate down the free hydrogen fuel sourse. Makes absolutely no sense at all. You're banterin back and forth with another HLNT investor tryin to justify bad science.
I'd like you to post them again.
Now you're thinkin straight.
We wouldn't want to mix up dumb and corrupt.