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Right on, BB!
I hope you are right that soon there will more than one large entity interested and buying. with the current one buyer, he can keep the price depressed and low so long as he accumulates SLOWLY. But when there are two or more, that will not be possible and the result will be a muted (at first) bidding war and the price will be under pressure to rise consistently. Certainly the more info gets out the sooner this will happen. furthermore, they will accumulate up to 90 M shares EACH if they are serious players.
Some entity is accumulating for quite a while and has the MMs keeping the price low and stable as they accumulate shares up to the 10% limit without filing that is about 90M shares.They will probably continue to do this as long as there is no PR or news that drive the cost of shares up and there is no other retail buying pressure - witness the daily volume has become low again.
Here is why! It is not the desire of those currently manipulating this stock. Please stop with your silly and constant assertions without basis.
I have been batting this around in my head for a while now, and it now seems to me that there is only one possibility that makes any sense.
We start with the (mostly unexplained) fact that NWBO management has chosen to (or must for some reason) remain silent. I work with the belief that the long term will be good and that is in the bag. The problem is NOW (from here to there). It is clear that there is no longer any retail buying and that volume has dried up. The question is who is controlling the current trading? Some believe that it is the shorts in full manipulated control with the help of the MMs. The problem with this is that the price seems to have settled into a very stable price level, with but a very minor but regular very slow penny decline. With a short in control, the price decline could (and therefore would) be much sharper than we are now experiencing. There is so little retail buying at this time to buoy the price up. Not much to write home about for a short. The only reasonable alternative is that this is very slow but steady accumulation by a large entity, be it a large commercial investor, or a large pharma looking to accumulate their initial 10% on the QT. They have no interest in collapsing the share price as would a short, but they want to maintain a low, stable price over their period of accumulation before they reach 10% at which point they would have to file with the gov. As there are not many sellers at this time of pause, the accumulation will be slow and take some time - until they reach some 90M shares. This would give them a foot in the door. This also explains why they are not too concerned with when the PRs from NWBO will start to drop. For a short that would spell disaster if they are not nimble enough to cover quickly. But for an accumulator, at worst, their time to accumulate cheaply will disappear, but it is basically good news for them as well and they need not fear the possibility of news dropping at any time.
The only puzzle is WHY is NWBO remaining silent? there are many theories, choose the one you like best - I have no idea. the simplest might be - just believe them about the journal embargo, or perhaps due to regulators or BLA etc, or due to some contractual deal for BO or partnering or, or, or....
I should have posted this as a new post, not directed as a response to any single poster. Here it is, open for comment to all:
I have been batting this around in my head for a while now, and it now seems to me that there is only one possibility that makes any sense.
We start with the (mostly unexplained) fact that NWBO management has chosen to (or must for some reason) remain silent. I work with the belief that the long term will be good and that is in the bag. The problem is NOW (from here to there). It is clear that there is no longer any retail buying and that volume has dried up. The question is who is controlling the current trading? Some believe that it is the shorts in full manipulated control with the help of the MMs. The problem with this is that the price seems to have settled into a very stable price level, with but a very minor but regular very slow penny decline. With a short in control, the price decline could (and therefore would) be much sharper than we are now experiencing. There is so little retail buying at this time to buoy the price up. Not much to write home about for a short. The only reasonable alternative is that this is very slow but steady accumulation by a large entity, be it a large commercial investor, or a large pharma looking to accumulate their initial 10% on the QT. They have no interest in collapsing the share price as would a short, but they want to maintain a low, stable price over their period of accumulation before they reach 10% at which point they would have to file with the gov. As there are not many sellers at this time of pause, the accumulation will be slow and take some time - until they reach some 90M shares. This would give them a foot in the door. This also explains why they are not too concerned with when the PRs from NWBO will start to drop. For a short that would spell disaster if they are not nimble enough to cover quickly. But for an accumulator, at worst, their time to accumulate cheaply will disappear, but it is basically good news for them as well and they need not fear the possibility of news dropping at any time.
The only puzzle is WHY is NWBO remaining silent? there are many theories, choose the one you like best - I have no idea. the simplest might be - just believe them about the journal embargo, or perhaps due to regulators or BLA etc, or due to some contractual deal for BO or partnering or, or, or....
No, I do not agree. I have been batting this around in my head for a while now, and it now seems to me that there is only one possibility that makes any sense.
We start with the (mostly unexplained) fact that NWBO management has chosen to (or must for some reason) remain silent. I work with the belief that the long term will be good and that is in the bag. The problem is NOW (from here to there). It is clear that there is no longer any retail buying and that volume has dried up. The question is who is controlling the current trading? Some believe that it is the shorts in full manipulated control with the help of the MMs. The problem with this is that the price seems to have settled into a very stable price level, with but a very minor but regular very slow penny decline. With a short in control, the price decline could (and therefore would) be much sharper than we are now experiencing. There is so little retail buying at this time to buoy the price up. Not much to write home about for a short. The only reasonable alternative is that this is very slow but steady accumulation by a large entity, be it a large commercial investor, or a large pharma looking to accumulate their initial 10% on the QT. They have no interest in collapsing the share price as would a short, but they want to maintain a low, stable price over their period of accumulation before they reach 10% at which point they would have to file with the gov. As there are not many sellers at this time of pause, the accumulation will be slow and take some time - until they reach some 90M shares. This would give them a foot in the door. This also explains why they are not too concerned with when the PRs from NWBO will start to drop. For a short that would spell disaster if they are not nimble enough to cover quickly. But for an accumulator, at worst, their time to accumulate cheaply will disappear, but it is basically good news for them as well and they need not fear the possibility of news dropping at any time.
The only puzzle is WHY is NWBO remaining silent? there are many theories, choose the one you like best - I have no idea. the simplest might be - just believe them about the journal embargo, or perhaps due to regulators or BLA etc, or due to some contractual deal for BO or partnering or, or, or....
your response does not relate at all to my post.
You are right on this point - there is no competition for the foreseeable future. But if they take a few more years to get there, who knows what new treatments may be developed.
Here is what I wrote on "zero risk" back on June 21 on iHub.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=169198923
Again, another thread making a hulabaloo over a nothing burger. Some have used the term "zero risk" perhaps unartfully, but probably meaning that the risk level has been diminished, even if not totally eliminated. With nothing much else to write about, we get these meaningless threads with insignificant points of difference that most of us could not give a damn about. Even I engaged in this for a bit for lack of anything more significant to write about. Really a waste of all our time. We need patience.
I really do not think we need TA to tell us what is happening..
The market in NWBO is totally controlled, and seems to be kept at its current level. either because a buyer wants in at this level and is slowly accumulating, or because some short interests want to drop the price further, but not at any cost. So for now that keeps the price relatively stable. There is very little buying pressure to drive the price higher.
This it seems will continue until further news is made available and brings new buyers into the market and greatly increases the volume and the share price. Unfortunately my forecast for the near term is: low volume, sidewise price movement, UNTIL NEWS, at which time there will be a larger pick up in volume, and significant increase in share price. I suspect this is becoming pretty obvious to almost everyone at this time. The one exception may be if a large buyer becomes convinced of the truth of the long term prognosis before any news and decides he wants to get in early before the big move and starts pushing up the price.
I agree Meirluc, unless you have insider information, no choice is "logical," it is merely a pointless guess.
Who are the buyers (bidders)? The current Bid/Ask is a good example of my question? The Bid is at $0.6599 for 46,906 shares while the Ask is at $0.6600 for 11,422 shares. You would think that a REAL buyer will not be so concerned with the $0.0001 extra he has to pay to gobble up at least the 11,422 shares on offer. Yet it just sits there with no trades happening at all! What exactly is going on??
But not enough to move the price any.
BB, I am with you 100%, this is what should be! But unfortunately in our real world, we have to deal with all the negative forces, like it or not, to move forward. What surprises me, is that with so much potential revenue in the game, not a single large player is willing to break rank, and start buying in a large way.
I am sure not many will agree with me, but I think with so many BILLIONS in future revenues, it is not out of the question for say a large bank, insurance co, or say Musk, Bezoz, Gates, Buffett etc. without any pharma know-how, could bid and buy NWBO, and them hire a Pharma like say Pfizer (or you name it) to run NWBO on their behalf. That would cut them in for a share of the BILLIONS in future revenues. No real reason to count them out.
Cheaper?
Why provide shorts this specific information. It tells them how much time the shorts can continue shorting with impunity (or not and informs them to be on guard).. Keep them guessing. Unfortunately, it also keeps the longs in the uncomfortable position of needing to guess as well.
And even then it is not zero risk, as we saw with Dendreon. There can still be significant risk in commercialization, market share, high cost of goods, competition etc.
Are you still "slowly selling"? Have you changed your mind on that, or still following through with your plan? Are you nearly out by now, or still substantially invested?
Guys, arguing about Woodford is like rearranging lawn chairs on the deck of the titanic. That ship has long sailed. No one cares about him anymore.
IMHO, it is one of three things:
1)A single big buyer has started buying.
2)Someone has heard some rumors (leak) that might be true.
3)Fear of being locked out of a good news PR over the long weekend.
No. what ever weight he may or may not have in the market, you are only giving him more weight by giving him more air time. He is not worth it.
Whether pro or con, at the first mention of the name Adam Feuerstein I stop reading the post and move on to the next one. Writing about him makes him a factor - where he is not!
That has always puzzled me as well??
So why do people fall for it?
It is wise not to conflate the "quiet period" whatever its reason and the silence due to embargo due to journal requirements. Their rules are different and their timing is different, even though there may be some significant overlap.
They all look pretty happy!
What is the proposed "best execution" requirement? How does this work? how does this favor Nite vs Citadel? Please explain more fully? Thanx
BSB, I wonder if you could show us a typical screen shot of your Bloomberg Terminal of the level II bid/ask quote for NWBO. All I get to see id the bid and ask. Very often you see something like a large volume of bid say 50,000 at say .70 then a second later that changes to a bid of 1,000 at .7001. I doubt that the bid of 50K at .70 went away. Cn yo still see the bid of 50 K at .70 on the level II screen. The same sort of thing happens a lot on the ASK as well. Is this an attempt to "hide" the 50K bid at .0001 lower and only show the 1K bid to the retail investor without a BT? Is this a manipulation tool or is something else going on here?
shorts have cowed the longs into the belief that now is not the moment for a long to buy aggressively with their apparent control of the market and ability and willingness to short and cap any serious possible increase in share price, no matter how good the news. Score one for the shorts, Zero for the longs..
BUT the game is not over. For now the sign that this is not going to be allowed to go anywhere is that the buyers are mostly not buying on the ASK, they are letting the sellers meet their BID. This is not a recipe for SP increase.. This will have to change with the buyers be willing to become more aggressive and and be willing to buy on the ASK! this will be happening in the near future when the log jam is broken by news. Journal article, clear and definitive TLD PR, ASM notice, more regular flow in info from NWBO, news on automation, news on regulatory submissions, news on patents, news on future directions, DCVAC-Direct, combo trials, news on compassionate use in UK, news on MHRA movements to approval, enough news so that AF and the shorts can not twist all of the great stories to come. Enough news to scare the sh-t out of the shorts! COME-ON LP, the ball is in your court. Do not allow some lone peer reviewer hang you out to dry while he p lays golf. It is time for you to use the leverage you have and demand rapid action on the journal article - every day delayed could be another life lost to this terrible disease..
So is Hefner going to be our $50 M buyer to finally make some sense of the stock price?
You've got to be kidding!
I do not agree, LP has made her mistakes, but ultimately she wins because she has the science on her side.
That is not what I said. You have put words in my mouth.
Give me a break, whose consensus is that? You and your shadow?