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marty_lewis,
I don't care what your impression of me is. I do however believe that it goes to your credibility that you post information about someone that you can't back up and are not man enough to retract your direct statements.
This is the behavior of a dishonest coward.
Bob,
What's the latest on having multiple thread for OTC:BB stocks. The last I heard, the rule was that for OTC:BB stock, only one thread could exist.
Is this rule still in effect?
If yes, why?
The first hint should have been the meeting of Dr. Hemi and Dr. Hook.
If JXM has been posting reams of positive information about a company and someone says that we shouldn't listen to him because in the real world he's an acting, but unemployed, veterinary proctologist making his stock picks with a dart-board, it gets deleted. Even if I know it's true.
Geez, don't give away my stockpicking secrets!!!
Hi Marty, I think I know what kind of post you are talking about. The kind where somebody makes an accusation and then the other person proves that the accusation was baseless...that's the kind, right?
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How about over here.
I am asking you to back up your accusation.
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=97151
Posted by: JXM
In reply to: marty_lewis who wrote msg# 1461 Date: 5/8/2001 5:44:07 PM (ET)
Post # of 1620
One thing to consider is that the unfettered attack that has been waged against Bob on this thread by multiple people, sets a precedent for what the attackers believe to be the proper rules of engagement.
I actually think that it is a good thing, because one of the problems that I have had with iHub's policies is that the integrity of somebody touting a stock is very relevant information and the current policies seem to consider attacking a person's integrity to be a personal attack.
What the people on this thread have said in a loud voice is that questioning a person's integrity is not necessarily a personal attack and it opens them up to the same scrutiny.
To this I say to the Bob Bashers "Good Job!!!!". This thread will provide a wealth of reference points on how exactly to attack their integrity in a manner that they themselves consider acceptable.
BRAVO!!!
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Posted by: marty_lewis
In reply to: JXM who wrote msg# 1590 Date: 5/8/2001 6:56:58 PM (ET)
Post # of 1622
you and your crowd have spent the last three years questioning everyone's integrity except your own. if there's nothing there about someone you target, you and your crowd fabricate things by asking questions that are really accusations but you put a question mark at the end of the sentence instead of a period. if that fails, you and the vigilantes make vague references to imaginery misdeeds, that only exist in your own minds. bob allowed this to run rampant at si, & he is allowing you and your friends to continue this behavior here. this site will NEVER be a success if bob doesn't change, and people will NEVER join in numbers as long as you and your friends are given free reign.
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Posted by: JXM
In reply to: marty_lewis who wrote msg# 1592 Date: 5/8/2001 7:15:02 PM (ET)
Post # of 1622
Are you absolutely certain that those are *my* tactics?
If you need places to look for links to my approach, let me know.
Here's one place to start (I make several posts on this thread, not one of them an attack. I wonder where CYSS is today)
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=9064807
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Posted by: marty_lewis
In reply to: JXM who wrote msg# 1594 Date: 5/8/2001 7:40:32 PM (ET)
Post # of 1622
you posted to me, I posted to you. you imply that the problem here is with touts that are upset with si bob. I included you in my post officially, not the underhanded way that you included me in your post by making the post to me. I am not a tout, I am not a paid promoter, I don't get free shares, but I am questioning the whole bob scenario. that upsets you. I cannot help that situation.
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Posted by: JXM
In reply to: marty_lewis who wrote msg# 1600 Date: 5/8/2001 7:55:51 PM (ET)
Post # of 1622
The difference is that I never accused you of being a tout. You did make specific accusations about my behavior. Did you read my posts on the CYSS thread? Did you find anything in my posts where I was questioning somebody's integrity? I attacked the business model. Please note that you say "you" in reference to me in multiple places. This is a direct accusation and I am asking you to back your accusation up with proof.
JXM on BIFS (several references of my posts starting from this point)
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=14289563
My actual first post on the BIFS thread
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=14282978
you and your crowd have spent the last three years questioning everyone's integrity except your own. if there's nothing there about someone you target, you and your crowd fabricate things by asking questions that are really accusations but you put a question mark at the end of the sentence instead of a period. if that fails, you and the vigilantes make vague references to imaginery misdeeds, that only exist in your own minds. bob allowed this to run rampant at si, & he is allowing you and your friends to continue this behavior here. this site will NEVER be a success if bob doesn't change, and people will NEVER join in numbers as long as you and your friends are given free reign.
Posted by: jenna
In reply to: IH Admin (Bob) who wrote msg# 1839 Date: 5/11/2001 2:59:51 PM (ET)
Post # of 1886
Pardon me.. but I don't think anyone who doesn't trade and talk stock talk and analyze has the right to 'quote policy' and have any say in what can and can't be done on IHUB. Those of us who spend virtually 11 hours trading and another 4 hours analyzing and research will not tolerate the 'couch potatoes' who do nothing but attempt to put their foot into everything to quote policy. Policy can only be determined by qualified individuals like Bob who do it for a living. Others are just doppelgangers who have no idea what its like to actually trade and teach but only know how easy it is to PRETEND TO HAVE AN IDEA of what its actually like.
IT IS ONLY IN THE HANDS OF ACTUAL TRADERS and I for one would totally dismiss anyone with about as much knowledge of the trading world and the message boards as my Shih Tsu who just learned to do his 'business' outside after 6 weeks. I don't think there is even a controversy here. THOSE WHO SPEND HOURS and HOURS PONTIFICATING have no idea and would be totally PARALYZED if actually facing the trading arena.... Those who would trade, trade, those who pontificate have no qualifications for anything and should sit on the couch with a big bag of fritos, open Jerry Springer and start to root for his home team.
If one has shown no ability to trade, analyze or know a stock from a kumquat, can't quote policy and will absolutely no credibility and whose only accomplishment is the ability to start a thread and pontificate.. That's all the time I have for this discussion. Some of us trade and have a real day job.
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May I humble myself before you
-The Great and Lovely Poet
Yes, you, the Great and Lovely Poet may humble yourself before me. And bring me a pepsi while you are at it.
it means "oh, be quiet"
I just wanted to point out that this post that I am responding to conveys every drop of venomous disdain that you appear to have for anyone who is not writing a check to you.
Bob, what was the answer on whether or not is okay to say "Just STFU"?
bornslippy,
Cool name...
101 Grub, like the freeway that goes by my house...West to ventura, east to Hollywood. I should have gone for it as well as the 100 grub.
JXM
I kid you not
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=100000
You get 1 wish now.....don't blow it by asking for a pony.
Poet, you have the 100k post on iHub. Congrats.
actually, you got dinged over on SI for making stock related posts.
yes, and I haven't figured out how to make sure that I get it.
Bob, are the private messages on the same numbering sequence as the public posts? If so, isn't possible that the 100,000th post will be a PM?
Grubbage
Interesting, I got some very nasty PMs from the SI folks who were bullish on ECNC. And now I assume that anything that they are involved in is dirty. Just one of those things.
Sounds like we don't have anything to duke it out about...which is ok, I am getting beat up pretty severely on SI right now.
Cheers
JXM
You can't honestly believe that the other side of the coin does not exist. Even today Knight is caught red handed on a security by shorting 2M shares but the bashers blame some internet poster as a P&D when in fact the problem lies right there.
I believe that the other side of the coin likely does exist. You make the assumption that I have never been critical of shorts who use personal attacks rather than attacking the underlying fundamental model. Because I am not focused on this at the moment, does not mean that I have not made a practice of it before. I could probably drag up some links, though it may take a while. Or you could just ask A@P if JXM has been critical of him in the past. That will get you your quickest answer.
You made some argue that I have been pro on stock and turned on some because the fundmentals changed so you are practing a catch 22. If you talk or dare to do the costly endeavor of due diligence and then even more dare to post or share willingly your findings it is wrong
I have never made any comment about any of your actions in regards to any stock. I have no idea what stocks you have been pro on and then changed because of fundamentals. I have no idea where you got this idea.
You would have the entire OTC removed and in fact it has been coming to light in numerous cases that it is market influence NOT some internet poster that manipulated the security. Only narrow minded people and newbies fall for that crock. I know and I have posted numerous compositions on 144 shorting(preselling unregistered securities especially in the OC market.) However you want to focus on P&D then show me how many you have accused has been convicted by the SEC of that crime. C'mon show me the proof ....
I agree that the market influence is the biggest of any stock, however, in thinly traded stocks with low floats, I believe that message boards can move a stock significantly. I have seen this happen first hand.
The only stocks that I recall where I have "bashed" are CYSS, BIFS, AZNT, ECNC. There are likely others. I provided links on this thread and the Ihub Bob thread for CYSS and BIFS. You can go see my style of bashing if you like. AZNT and ECNC have too many freakin posts on them for me to find where I was active.
JXM
I wouldn't use it to describe anyone in this forum, so I don't have a definition.
BTW: Grubbage is my way of saying Grub...I got the 777th post on the thread. It was not namecalling.
Oh man, I am going to run out of time to hit all of your points effectively....but I will try.
No you are accusing Bob of that not me. I stated "Fester" ...
Incorrect, I am not accusing Bob of that at all. I was paraphrasing your statement and I think that it will turn into a semantic argument anyway.
My point is that the people who have often been labeled "bashers" do not receive any financial gain for their endeavors.
You seem to be a little bias here also. If you capitalize on a lie if not right.
You are mistaken, and that is my point again. I have never, not once, shorted an OTC:BB stock. I have never talked negatively about any stock that I was actively short. The only stocks that I have shorted have been listed Nasdaq stocks. I think I covered all of the bases there.
And I am not aware of any of the so called "bashers" having short positions in the stocks that they are supposedly bashing.
Without a lie you have no pump and dump. SO when ever you call someone a P&D I doubt very seriously that you can show the Lie if you were challenged to provide a factual underlying basis. Now if you can;t then it's a personal attack. HELLO!!!
Just the other day, a guy named marty_lewis made some direct accusations about my tactics. I gave a couple of links that showed that I was able to expose the "Lie" based on factual underlying basis. I did it in a professional manner and I was attacked by the longs.
You have not demonstrated any proof that this urban myth of "short and distort" exists. The fact that so many of the OTC:BB stocks that are pumped, end up shut down by the SEC, gives a pretty strong indication where the distortion exists.
I'd like to know what Bob's qualifications are for this job besides his former position at SI?
I hear that Bob was a dirt farmer.
Dunno, what is the definition of a crony (in this context)?
Grubbage
BTW: Am I considered a "cronie"?
I put one right in my first post to you.
Bob can;t stop P&D but he can fester Short & Distort especially for Off shore Canadians who need to spin distortions to gain profit.
Your spin of the urban myth is that Bob is catering (fester) to off shore canadians who are short stocks and distorting the truth for profit. You are accusing Bob of having a bias for someone, so that they can make cash on shorts.
that I have a problem with selective and bias administration practices
When in fact, it is clear that his bias is truly against P&D practitioners who are doing their best to put their own spin on stocks for their own profit.
So where are these off shore canadians on these message boards? Show us where Bob is showing bias toward them so that they can make a profit.
Sure, there are people who meet the description of a "basher". But by putting the "childish spin" on it that they are offshore canadians shorting the stock, you are doing exactly what you are complaining about.
Let's Party!!!
If you do not like the perpetuation of these so called urban myths, why are you partaking in the activity yourself?
Bob can;t stop P&D but he can fester Short & Distort especially for Off shore Canadians who need to spin distortions to gain profit.
Interesting that you complain about urban myths which surround you and then perpetuate another....
I need something to rave about...is this the right thread for it?
Hey, I was smart enough to live in an area that has state provided power. No blackouts in my neighborhood bub. Funny how that works though, huh?
They do edit out some profanities in PM and apparently one at least one if posted publicly.
Listen Chorn, I have had it up to here^^^^^^ with your crap. Shouldn't you be leading your merry band of miscreants in a parade today? It is Miscreant Pride Day isn't it?
Do you know if it also does it in public messages?
xxxx, I don't know
(your answer should be above)
The "S" word does not get edited.
Bob,
Why does iHub edit out profanities in PMs? Is it really any of iHub's business how I phrase my communications in PM?
JXM
yup! That role was a defining role for Val.
If I step over a line, I am sure that Matt will either delete my post or I will get suspended.
But I am one of those people who thinks that a lot more damage can be done by statements that fall well within the TOU, then by a few harsh words.
Did you ever see the movie Tombstone? In the scene at the gunfight at OK corral, Ike Clanton starts whining once the bullets start flying and Wyatt tells him to either fill his hand or get out of the way. I think that marty is Ike Clanton.
or we could further the comparison where marty, as Johnny Ringo, says "Isn't anyone here man enough to play for blood?"
and my reply is "I'm your huckleberry"
Actually, isn't the Parking Lot Matt's territory?
I suspect that I won't be able to rely on Bob here.
And you probably think that saying STFU or GFY is worse than someone making direct accusations about someone, and that person then refutes the statements, and yet you still won't retract your accusations.
I bet when you were a kid you were one of those wimps who would run up and slug somebody and then run back to your mommy crying so that you wouldn't get hit back.
If you are going to throw a punch, at least stand up and fight.
Well, maybe you should turn me in for saying bad things and test the theory.
Or you can take them to heart.
But you do care enough to whine about your mistreatment by Bob and to malign me, don't you?
But then again, you have probably already forgotten what you said about me.
Hey Bob, when is it ok to say STFU and GFY to someone?