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Not for one minute was the first filing a mistake. What we have here, is a (to paraphrase Cool Hand Luke)is an evolving situation. They are jumping through hoops and following advice of the both the accountants and those street smart Noo Yawk lawyers. Its either about closing a partner, releasing the cell, or fighting off a hostile takeover. Next week will be more exciting than this one, but of course, that's not saying much, is it? GLTA except a couple of you, you know who you are!
His ethos lives on.....(and on).. LOL
Nice to see you back, your winter will be half way by now I guess.
SLTD has some major changes coming in the works. You might want to read the stickies. Mucho debate about a potential reverse split, and upgrade to NASDAQ. Plus acquisition news of imminent closure on MDE, change of fiscal year, board of directors members addition. And yet many on this IHUB board don't see that this is all adjustments being made for a future with potential!
The first thing you do is take it away from the rubbish tip, and clean it up. To show to the appropriate clients. Got to get it to the right market. And most denizens of the tip don't recognize the real value either. Interesting analogy.
Thanks for the clarification on when the numbers are coming BuckyLaw. I guess that means, does it not, that the 90 day period for the annual means 'up to' 90 days, doesn't it? And technically could come earlier? Though unlikely to be imminent.
LOL, the only thing is that I don't know what to call this quarter that we are awaiting the results of. 4th quarter, or second? Does that make the one we are in now the fifth, followed by the sixth? Just laugh, trying to get some levity in here!
In the Oct - Dec quarter, they may have been handicapped by the move to the larger facility (3x remember?). The 3rd quarter was not a bad result, its just that this board had become to expect too much, I accept my part of that guilt. I guess I'm cautious to predict since we all got burnt that last time. Either way it will be a good result, we know they are working, and increasing their capacity with new employees etc. Long and strong, GLTA
I'm hunting for other scams like this!
Bets? That's a rigged outcome you know. There is no way that yesterday's closing was coincidentally the same loss as the day before. The first day, two days ago, was on purpose as well. Someone is taking advantage of the low volume, and the fact that its near the opening price to do this stunt to mess with our heads. IMO!
Hey, you're preaching to the choir with me T-rolls, but still nice to see it spelt out. Now a debate seems to be about when, (before or after the actual upgrade) to release the info on the cell and the partner. I'm for holding it back.
It could, of course, be broken into two releases on different dates.
1.) The cell is finalized and ready for market.
&
2.) The announcement of a partnership for the above.
Either way, like so many others today,
"LETS GET THIS SHOW ON THE ROAD"
GLTA
Would it help if we sent you pictures of gold bars in a vault at the end of every message? (ala Moneyrunners!)
By the way, they are looking at a different set of bars right now! LOL
Well at least so far, the volume rate is much higher than yesterday.
Off we go, into the yada yada yada!!
From one blue suit to another!
Maybe we can get the retirees association to start putting panels on the NCO and Officer clubs at the bases out west. Gotta start somewhere!
If it came down to it, I don't think $50 Million is enough to totally start a manufacturing plant from scratch and get to a marketing position. But he has stated that was never the plan. License others. Maybe with a clause to give orders back to SUNWorks when needed, so we can install our own. Maybe something like that. And we don't know if the license would be exclusive or not, or by continent. Many of you are right, there is an awful lot we don't know. He said he would choose a manufacturing partner by the end of 2014. Big picture: they are 36 days late tomorrow. I can still live with that. That's me. GLTA
Well that was just malicious by someone obviously mimicking yesterday's close. Maybe they did that one too.
Ha, I would refer you all to my "conspiracy theory" post earlier today.
Maybe not, but being sued and losing sure would be a kiss of death to the legal company representing SLTD. Loss of prestige, reputation, fees etc etc. No, I agree with Maverick that they wouldn't even take us on if there was something deceptive or just plain missing. Nope, the silence is for other reasons. Reasons to protect the fact that you are walking around with the most sought after baseball card in your pocket during recess. You only got it yesterday and you don't want the bully to find out!
EGG SACK LEE!!
Your point on that comment is lost on me. What are you saying? Worth it, not worth it, don't bother, what?
Yet another, and more powerful example, of looking at it Maverick. Good one!
"As we look forward to 2015, we believe that we will once again make dramatic progress in the value of our Company and its influence in the world." James Nelson, Xmas 2014 letter to shareholders.
I'm sorry to hear you lose your patience. Are you not intrigued by the idea of moving up to the senior exchange, and how that will be a better platform from which to announce to the WORLD about the cell? Southern Californian solar installers don't need to have an international audience.
I see it also, and its been happening for quite some time. There are those who say you can raise the price of a stock on the OTC by constantly "slapping" the ask. I buy my stocks in bulk to save on broker fees, so don't do that. But feasibly, you could.
The opposite is true for lowering or stopping increase. And what you are pointing out, to me, is someone doing the same to the Bid.
Mr. Nelson some time ago (like before Christmas) spoke of large forces being against the success of this stock. (I believe this was on a different board and I only saw it as a quote, not from him directly), but to me this is the manifestation of that. What are those 'large forces'? Let your conspiracy theorists run rampant. MM's, shorts, business competition, (remember the PR attack SLTD did on SCTY) or foreign enterprise protecting their own solar industry. But it wouldn't take much on this exchange, the OTC, to fund a commitment to keep this stock down and attack the cell by attacking the company. Remember the light bulb and GE? The intermittent wiper blade and Ford?
To me our relief will be on the higher exchange. One where there are more eyes, more supervision (SEC), and less MM games.
Maybe, and I apologize if my response was strong. But I'm pretty sure Mooon posted that last night and I'm aware that he has done a lot of diligence for us longs that he has shared willingly and openly. Helping us all. He, and others, don't have to share all the good news they have discovered. I know why he posted it, and it made sense at the time to me. An idea of a blueprint as to how it can/has been done. And recently too. Maybe seeing it out of context makes it not very clear.
Oh, man, that's a cheap shot. He put it there for DD'ing people to be able to see how its done. We are taking a very similar path.
Wow, impressive! I found that link, the one to the lawyers recent accomplishments, both comforting and very informational. Thanks for that. I had been to the lawyer's site, but hadn't explored deep enough to get to that. Good one. May I suggest it for all of us? Long and strong.
I wonder who their lawyers were!
Our stock price just remains rather staid,
In spite of efforts Mr. Nelson made!
But the future remains bright,
as we will continue the fight.
At a higher level after upgrade!!!
And Canadian Solar, CSIQ, we might add, is up 27% at the moment!!
Could that be us on our next acquisition? Later this year or early next?
There had been some talk here of a reverse merger, and nothing specifically has ruled that out yet. Some speculated for a while that RGSE might be the target. Anyone seen the price today? Ouch, ouch, ouch!
Actually, if you think about it, investing in any stock does require a level of blind faith. You will never know the complete information and have to work out a comfortable position and decision with the info you are allowed to have and get. Insiders always know more and earlier, hence insiders. Constantly needing reassurance and getting scared of your money in the company may mean you are in the wrong stock or the wrong venture.
One board participant stated month's ago that Mr. Nelson said he was not big on R/S's in a communication. Your anxiety is allowing you to take it out of context and blow it out of proportion. Now we have a high powered legal office of NY Wall Street sharpies with the agenda of getting us upgraded and it is a method of jumping the price to go up very soon. Surely you realize this?
Insiders have sold some small bits based on their millions of holdings (not large chunks as you say) of stocks. Its their reimbursement. When you redefine it with inflammatory exaggeration like that you do enter the realm of bashing in my book.
Those questions last year were about a R/S to boost the price, and were speculation at the time. The R/S now is for a specific reason! Upgrading. The ends justify the means in this case.
I believe the plans for the cell are well down the road, to include a partner. I can't prove that to you, but that is my belief. Upgrade, then announce. That's the plan I see coming.
Far from doom and gloom, this is an unbelievable time to get in on this, and for those, like myself, who have been waiting and holding for a period of time, the payoff is coming soon!
There is an upside potential on OTC, too, but it's not as sustainable
As we have seen, Alex, as we have seen and are sick of!
I had great hopes of the blockbuster on OTC. I now know that was never going to happen in the slums. If it is ever to happen, or even halfway, NASDAQ/NYSE is where it is way, way more likely.
SSSSSSHHH!
Nope, you can have a passive solar heating area added on. Sealed entrance, triple glazing, facing the sun, more glass than wall, spaced gap from the wall. Only needs wood heat at night and gray winter days. I know a lot about passive solar. Just make sure its in the right spot.
Oh are you on West Coast PR watch? LOL I won't have the stamina to stay up, nor the motivation. I don't think big news tonight, maybe news, but not one of the biggies.
But then, who the eff knows really? So many posts end almost apologetically, IMO. We're all guessing!
Don't worry though, I'll be checking in the AM, its just that I have been reduced to the laptop as the freakin' desktop (windows 8) is acting up with constant stuck downloads. Pesky Microsoft!
Agreed. You are on target I believe!
OK, OK, I'll take the last word then.
I'll stand by my quickly thought out example. If someone can afford to stay in a large house, I see no reason why they shouldn't. That's their call. They know more than anyone the price of heating, A/C'ing, etc for it, whatever system they use.
I'm sitting in my passive solar heated wing of the house (added extension) with the wood stove (blazing away with wood from the property), reducing me to a T-shirt while its subzero outside. I say this to explain that I'm with the program, all for both reducing prices and staying green where possible. However, everything is relative, just as all politics are local. My own personal choice would not be to upgrade the rest of the house with further insulation, or solar or anything else due to my age. The next generation, hell who knows where they want to live. So its not feasible for me to upgrade. I suppose for those far away, I should explain that our electricity here is TVA, hydro-electric and some local nuke, so we have some of the cheapest electrics in the country, and also get natural gas.
Love the debate, if you want to continue, send me your email.
I have some disappointment also. Mid year last year, I was predicting on this board that this would be at a buck by Xmas. But the spike to .31, followed by the slow fall to today's price are deflating. However, what that has shown me is that the stock will never 'organically' grow on the OTC exchange. Nature of the beast. And so, and I believe this is Mr. Nelson's agenda, he has taken on these fiscal and corporate twists and turns to accomplish the upgrade to the NASDAQ or NYSE. You don't just upgrade one day, you have to have the right price, the right board structure, the appropriate stock divisions to alleviate deviation. etc etc. So they are not isolated, but part of the same action and goal. Upgrade! In the meantime, and I'm not out to convince you of this, it is just my opinion based on a belief; the prototype of the cell is under negotiation with partners. Actually, he has told us that. I think, by now, its further along, but he is waiting for the next exchange to announce it. An exchange where the validity of the stock will be noticed and rewarded more predictably and positively. GLTA, long and strong!
Our favorite stock, Solar 3D,
Sends out PR's nearly weekly!
But the price stays too small,
cause it won't change at all!
Seems we'll have to wait for the NYSE!
Release of quarterly or yearly financials (not sure which now, but either will do me fine), news on partnership and/or the cell (anytime)(though I hope it waits till after the upgrade), news of going to a senior exchange (pretty much anytime now), updates on the patent (anytime), completion of the MDE acquisition (any day now really). Plus any other news Mr. Nelson wants to surprise us with!
I think I got it all!
Hey I met him at the Mother Earth thing in Pennsylvania. He'll be at the Wisconsin one this year, first time they are having one in your state!
Not sure I agree with you. Lets say triple glazing a 3,000 sq ft house, new insulation, roof, pipe insulation, solar panels, etc etc. And if that owner was 55 years old. Is it worth it, if one had the lump sum to shell out, to do so?
But whatever, we are on the same team, lets not drag it out!