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What's more democratic than elections.....The SC stepped in before Super Tuesday to ensure that....You speak of John Roberts, 3 liberal judges agreed they couldn't...Like Bush v Gore an expedited ruling was necessary....
So the SC agrees what CO did was undemocratic......
You got what you wanted with the immunity case now you sound like whiney spoiled children not getting the whole cookie jar......Will you whine if they find 9-0 in your favor (decent chance they will)
And make all the excuses you want but dems slow played charges, its their own fault they are now under the gun...
Simple fact trump has not been charged with Insurrection....Right?
Supreme court found CO could not be taken off the ballot using Section 3 of the 14th and that is exactly what CO tried to do.....Right?
9-0 means nothing eh.......note the goose egg
That is total bullshit.
So CO didn't try to keep Trump off the ballot using 'insurrection'????
He has been
And I don't see any insurrection charges....
Yes, Jan6 was bad, very bad indeed......A wake up call to the USA.....
So couple other points need to made after that agreement...
First and Foremost....... Trump should have been charged with insurrection, then there would be many mute points as of now...
Dems now have used righteousness to be anti democratic to......CO as an example
I could easily see the progressive wing go against moderate dems just like the repubs and lower themselves to a Jan 6 type ordeal....
In the name of righteousness, it always a problem too as history points out....If dems had risen to this time in our history, you had 3yrs, and govern for those times,,,,perhaps things would be different.......Dems have only themselves to blame that Trump is the front runner....
Gotta go for now, have a good afternoon
How Democrats Could Disqualify Trump If the Supreme Court Doesn’t.
Even without legislation, could a Democratic-controlled House refuse to certify a Trump victory?
How Democrats Could Disqualify Trump If the Supreme Court Doesn’t...The Atlantic
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/how-democrats-could-disqualify-trump-if-the-supreme-court-doesn-t/ar-
(No doubt progressives could actually be this stupid .........too)
Near the end of the Supreme Court’s oral arguments about whether Colorado could exclude former President Donald Trump from its ballot as an insurrectionist, the attorney representing voters from the state offered a warning to the justices—one evoking the January 6 riot that had set the case in motion.
By this point in the hearing, the justices had made clear that they didn’t like the idea of allowing a single state to kick Trump out of the presidential race, and they didn’t appear comfortable with the Court doing so either. Sensing that Trump would likely stay on the ballot, the attorney, Jason Murray, said that if the Supreme Court didn’t resolve the question of Trump’s eligibility, “it could come back with a vengeance”—after the election, when Congress meets once again to count and certify the votes of the Electoral College.
Murray and other legal scholars say that, absent clear guidance from the Supreme Court, a Trump win could lead to a constitutional crisis in Congress. Democrats would have to choose between confirming a winner many of them believe is ineligible and defying the will of voters who elected him. Their choice could be decisive: As their victory in a House special election in New York last week demonstrated, Democrats have a serious chance of winning a majority in Congress in November, even if Trump recaptures the presidency on the same day. If that happens, they could have the votes to prevent him from taking office.
In interviews, senior House Democrats would not commit to certifying a Trump win, saying they would do so only if the Supreme Court affirms his eligibility. But during oral arguments, liberal and conservative justices alike seemed inclined to dodge the question of his eligibility altogether and throw the decision to Congress.
“That would be a colossal disaster,” Representative Adam Schiff of California told me. “We already had one horrendous January 6. We don’t need another.”
The justices could conclude definitively that Trump is eligible to serve another term as president. The Fourteenth Amendment bars people who have “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” from holding office, but it does not define those terms. Trump has not been convicted of fomenting an insurrection, nor do any of his 91 indictments charge him with that particular crime. But in early 2021, every House Democrat (along with 10 Republicans) voted to impeach Trump for “incitement of insurrection,” and a significant majority of those lawmakers will still be in Congress next year.
If the Court deems Trump eligible, even a few of his most fervent Democratic critics told me they would vote for certification should he win. “I’m going to follow the law,” Representative Eric Swalwell of California told me. “I would not object out of protest of how the Supreme Court comes down. It would be doing what I didn’t like about the January 6 Republicans.” Schiff, who served on the committee that investigated Trump’s role in the Capitol riot, believes that the Supreme Court should rule that Trump is disqualified. But if the Court deems Trump eligible, Schiff said, he wouldn’t object to a Trump victory.
What if the Court declines to answer? “I don’t want to get into the chaos hypothetical,” Schiff told me. Nor did Representative Jim Clyburn of South Carolina, who served in the party leadership for two decades. “I think he’s an insurrectionist,” he said of Trump. Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, who would become speaker if Democrats retake the House, did not respond to questions sent to his office.
Even as Democrats left open the possibility of challenging a Trump win, they shuddered at its potential repercussions. For three years they have attacked the 147 Republicans—including a majority of the party’s House conference—who voted to overturn President Joe Biden’s 2020 victory. More recently they’ve criticized top congressional Republicans such as Representative Elise Stefanik, the House GOP conference chair, for refusing to commit to certifying a Biden win.
The choice that Democrats would face if Trump won without a definitive ruling on his eligibility was almost too fraught for Representative Jamie Raskin of Maryland to contemplate. He told me he didn’t know how he’d vote in that scenario. As we spoke about what might happen, he recalled the brutality of January 6. “There was blood all over the Capitol in the hypothetical you posit,” Raskin, who served on the January 6 committee with Schiff, told me.
Theoretically, the House and Senate could act before the election by passing a law that defines the meaning of “insurrection” in the Fourteenth Amendment and establishes a process to determine whether a candidate is barred from holding a particular office, including the presidency. But such a bill would have to get through the Republican-controlled House, whose leaders have all endorsed Trump’s candidacy. “There’s absolutely no chance in the world,” Representative Zoe Lofgren, a California Democrat who also served on the January 6 committee, told me.
In late 2022, Congress did enact reforms to the Electoral Count Act. That bill raised the threshold for objecting to a state’s slate of electors, and it clarified that the vice president, in presiding over the opening of Electoral College ballots, has no real power to affect the outcome of the election. But it did not address the question of insurrection.
As Republicans are fond of pointing out, Democrats have objected to the certification of each GOP presidential winner since 2000. None of those challenges went anywhere, and they were all premised on disputing the outcome or legitimacy of the election itself. Contesting a presidential election by claiming that the winner is ineligible, however, has no precedent. “It’s very murky,” Lofgren said. She believes that Trump is “clearly ineligible,” but acknowledged that “there’s no procedure, per se, for challenging on this basis.”
In an amicus brief to the Supreme Court, a trio of legal scholars—Edward Foley, Benjamin Ginsberg, and Richard Hasen—warned the justices that if they did not rule on Trump’s eligibility, “it is a certainty” that members of Congress would seek to disqualify him on January 6, 2025. I asked Lofgren whether she would be one of those lawmakers. “I might be.”
The scholars also warned that serious political instability and violence could ensue. That possibility was on Raskin’s mind, too. He conceded that the threat of violence could influence what Democrats do if Trump wins. But, Raskin added, it wouldn’t necessarily stop them from trying to disqualify him. “We might just decide that’s something we need to prepare for.”
refusing to jump ahead of the Court of Appeals on the matter
Supreme Court Denies Jack Smith's Extraordinary Gamble
https://www.newsweek.com/supreme-court-denies-jack-smiths-extraordinary-gamble-1855121
On to
The unsigned order from the high court granted special counsel Jack Smith's request for the justices to decide the issue. The justices are set to decide the question: "whether and if so to what extent does a former president enjoy presidential immunity from criminal prosecution for conduct alleged to involve official acts during his tenure in office."
Trump immunity claim taken up by Supreme Court, keeping D.C. 2020 election trial paused
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-immunity-ruling-supreme-court/
Well, Smith did ask the SC, they are taking the case and it will be settled once and for all....
Speak clearly then, that was a side note, I do have it right about Smith.....
Jack smith didn't specifically ask? Now they will, just not they way you want them too? I think I have that right
Jack Smith asked the SC......The SC is taking the case,,,,,,,,,But The SC didn't jump through the hoops Smith and dems want......
First its a careful what ya wish for, Secondly the SC jumps through hoops for no one.....They will however make expeditious rulings when needed....
The CO ruling is a case in point.....Dems will do about anything to distract from their feeble record the last 3 years.....Too bad you didn't govern for the times.....
No you are and its a shame, once credible people are willing to stoop as low as their political rivals.......Sad, especially coming from you dear lady...
The Hill,,,everyday at 6, news nation, thanks for confirming my first observation
They said dems are stupid.....section 5 of the 14th
However, all 9 Supremes noted stupidity today....
What a dumb ass you are its on news nation right now.....Direct TV channel 307
Past that I use Channel 200 the news mix channel with six split screens,,,,,CNN, Fox, MSNBC, BBC and the two weather channels
You progressives get all out of whack when people don't follow what you think they should be doing,,lol
Well paid too ;) lol,,,,,There is a conspiracy around every corner now eh ;)
'The Hill' is on right now
And you ignored my NYT quoting him a saying it, twice.....Can't trust partisans about anything, they are all crooked
Waiting on 'The Hill',,,my fav,,,,,,Other than that news mix to watch all the idiots act like,,,well idiots......Its almost all for entertainment value now as they trip over how to spin this or that....Today, CNN an msnbc spinning the CO ruling and you know how fox is hammering away....
Thanks CO & dems.........No more we stand for free and fair elections,,,,That day is officially done
A lot of Hullabaloo over a hypothetical from a judge....
Cable news is getting desperate........But it amazing what they all choose to leave out or report and even ignore completely....
I gave you one, and you're ignoring it:...;) Seems to be a thing..Call it Karma
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=173970030
Oh contraire.........did you respond to this,,,and
I told the board at the beginning I'd go along with McAfee with any decision as he seems fair...My guess if he rules against Fani he will be called a closeted trumper on the take ;) As is the progressive MO on any disagreement..
Lots of Dems bashing the system as of late,,,,
Yes McAfee said it, did I need to put in bold?
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=173969678
repetitive masturbatory crap...probably better than the adoration and self adoration crap progressives use in their denials :)
“The state has admitted that a relationship existed,” Judge McAfee said earlier this week. “And so what remains to be proven is the existence and extent of any financial benefit — again, if there even was one.” He said that even “the appearance of” a conflict could lead to disqualification."
In Trump Case, Thorny Conflict of Interest Question Looms
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/15/us/politics/conflict-of-interest-trump-georgia.html#:~:text=%E2%80%9CThe%20state%20has%20admitted%20that%20a%20relationship%20existed%2C%E2%80%9D,appearance%20of%E2%80%9D%20a%20conflict%20could%20lead%20to%20disqualification.
I remember a thing or 2 also.....Maybe selective hearing or wishful thinking ? Anyhoot I think we agree on the political consequences and how they can get worse....As I said before and from the beginning she should have stepped down rather than start the circus...The case is more important than her
Yeah? I remember the discussions ;) The Free and Fair Election Champion banner dems portray themselves as, took a big hit after today's ruling....
Guess RFK Jr is safe now too?
Don't think this is how we got a Trump?
Would love to hear the rebuttal... Although I did leave this out,,,11yrs old too, imagine now...and to answer Janice's "what?" On what inequality...
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=173968399
(for context The topic was the phone pings introduced)
Used as corroborating evidence along with all the texts, calls, cash, dates of contracts and the witnesses it could help build a pretty good case.......
Gotta say all in all they put on a pretty weak case, that said, put it all together it may well push it over the edge....McAfee said from the beginning even the appearance of would be apart of his decision...
We will know soon enough, but too late to repair the political distraction and narrative played into, things can only get worse in that aspect...
SCOTUS Colorado was expected.......Who's not admitting they were wrong? LMAO
From someone who fought the idea of this decision....That's pretty rich coming from you and your prior posts...
Will agree Trump won't get his immunity......
As one example
If SCOTUS Won’t Enforce the 14th Amendment, We Should Worry How They’ll Handle the 22nd
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=173887046
Used as corroborating evidence along with all the texts, calls, cash, dates of contracts and the witnesses it could help build a pretty good case.......
Gotta say all in all they put on a pretty weak case, that said, put it all together it may well push it over the edge....McAfee said from the beginning even the appearance of would be apart of his decision...
We will know soon enough, but too late to repair the political distraction and narrative played into, things can only get worse in that aspect...
Still say Fani should have stepped down from the beginning. Only whiners are those who excuse her bad judgement and how this plays out in politics....Poor Fani ?
So, nope, I've held steady on Fani,,,,CO too....McAfee will decide and those phone pings Willis claimed as irrelevant may well turn the tide against her.....Phone pings are used daily in courts of law now.....
SC,,,,Dems just can't pick and choose candidates they don't want.....I would guess section 5 comes into play....
Congress holds the power of enforcing the 14th
Anyhoot, expect dem outrage,,,,,
Its a stain on an important case and always will be now........Hand the win to the right
Its a circus now, don't expect partisans to be as reasonable as you just were.....to the contrary
Wades qualifications are also questionable, its amazing dems didn't want the best and the brightest.....(sound familar)
This could well be Fani's second disqualification in this Rico case....
At least you all didn't disappoint, I'll make 1000 worthless posts stored away soon enough ;)
Yeah I missed those little press releases by biden (like his UAW photo op)......Didn't see dems on MSNBC and CNN every night advocating for them or the working class etc, like they've done for the other priorities mentioned which shows how narrow minded the dem party is now....Especially within these three years...
Its down to 2 extremes which 70% don't want and neither of them giving a rats patoot about the majority in the middle...
So take the idiocy of the dems the last 3 yrs mix it with how we got here....
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=173925306
And you've got where we are.....Scotus tomorrow, bad look for dems for trying,,,,,then they will hear immunity Smith wanted....How dems could screw up all the legal cases is beyond me, but you have and have fed the narrative for abuse of power....May not look good for Fani either, regardless she has now tainted that case...roll eyes
Which is just more on top of all the rest......what a 3 yrs
(Make it 920 unread messages ;) This is last one today,,,, so have at girl, all this stuff doesn't really matter and others can feel free to pile on the rest of the night........
Have a good night
Edit,,,And Haley won DC,,,glad to see her get a win.....Never know, could be surprises down the road,,,,People in the middle would give just about anything for a different choice than the two thrust on em...But the extremes don't care...
GN
Wow! There is a rewrite of history....again......You dems are getting as good as the repubs.....
Not a peep during the nurses or teachers strike, nor UAW till Biden did his photo op and as for the rest of it, well I'm sure it must be to embarrassing for you to comment on.....It was like trying to remember all of trumps idiocy back in the day.....Who'd of thunk Dems could ask for the ball, drop it, kick it, lose it and then give it to the other team.....
I hate to disappoint but the polls you dems ignore and have ignored for 3 yrs put abortion lower on the list after Economy, immigration and inflation and ability to lead.....
And yep missed your reply, mailbox pack full (600+) of unread attacks,,,,,,,,the first 8 words is all ya need to move on with the old view.........
And I'm not into teaching kids America is bad,,,Screw Desantis and The Dems, seems you 2 were made for each other and now can only exist with each other...
Doesn't matter,,, there is a whole list of Progressive ideals that have gotten out of hand,,,so, next time you wanna bitch about trump and half the country .......There is a reason you have to
From this morn,,,,
Whites are bad, The US is bad and always has been,,,,The US is racist.....American history is racist,,,,,,Gay rights are the most important,,,,Cancelling is the way to go, screw free speech,,,,,,Lets worry about pronouns,,,,Trans Athletes beyond common sense,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,DEI above merit, Police suck, Immigration? Guns are bad not the inner city crime that produces the gun deaths they tout....End bail, make shoplifting almost legal, ignore the homeless that line the downtown streets.....Student loan stupidity,,,,,,,,,,,Now using power against a candidate,,, off the ballot,,, charges and over charges brought by progressive DAs that stretch the law, staining the legit charges. ...Afghanistan, Balloons, Giving a Arms dealer for a basket ball player, 5 billion for hostages,,,Not knowing where to walk off a stage....Fewer Press Conferences than even trump....Wont even give a super bowl interview.... Recending executive orders that protected the border and made Houthis terrorist..... Allowing US bases and ships to be attacked 150 times,,,,,,Slow playing Ukraine and bowing to Putin's blackmail.......Sanctuary cities now understanding the true cost of illegal immigration......Any Idea the true cost of inflation and the death of the American dream.....Not to mention your constant demeaning of 1/2 the population that voted for Trump.....
Did you see Jill speak out during teacher strikes
Did dems speak out for nurses
Do dems even understand the dangers of the the police shortage
Did you see dems support UAW except for 1 photo op.......(1 endorsement doesn't speak for rank and file)
Did dems ignore Illegal Immigration till their stunt....(polls went further down afterwards so no one was fooled)
No your policies represented about 20% of the population and all you do is talk about Trump......Its just a huge FU vote out there....Sorry if it offends, people are sick of PC beyond belief too......My god of it weren't for trump you'd be beaten by 90%........So Americans also see that you just count on winning by default, not your representation of the population at large......
Certainly were should remember our past, good and bad, teach it as such and in 'context'......
But progressives went to the extreme, and of course one extreme is met with another..... Dems were supposed to be the example of good honest intellectual reasoning not go off the deep end and that is exactly where progressives took us and now dems as a whole are painted as such.........
So you painted the picture yourself, instead of holding yourselves above the frey, you fueled division with you own divisiveness, forcing extreme views on people that only you have and were out of context, leaving out the key ideals that we were built on and represent.......
And the timing has just been perfect for that and many other progressive priorities these past 3 yrs.......You couldn't have written it this way....
gloomy predictions........Trump is up, eh.........Not one person has said anything about the indians....Progressives want to harp on it, teach it as if it weren't a part of civilization evolving, like slavery itself.......
But Noooooooo......Progressives just can't see that was then and we 'were' a great country setting up great ideals for the people to grow with.....Taking on the greatest power in the world at the time so people might live free and without the tyranny of Britain and europe....
So just teach kids we were bastards, not people that were ahead of their time,,,,tell the truth but in the context of the times...
Yeah lol.....Progressive history,,,America Bad, Founders bad all slave holders,,,Everyone racist, still are....White people bad all racist........
Scored a lot of points there......and with the exception of progressives, most are sick of it.....most dems aren't progressives, making it the majority of america disagreeing with your sense of history and America as a whole, and your priorities as opposed to the many
https://www.newsweek.com/middle-class-rebellion-against-progressives-gaining-steam-opinion-1597397