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Meat in the PR's RDave??
Come on dude. How long does it take for ya ta see that the PR's are structured to say nothin that will hold the company to anythin. These PR's are designed to toss out and let the post crew do the rah rah about nothin ta see who bites. The PPS answers that no one is bitin. It all works just fine for the insiders usin those preferred shares though. Just toss out those timelines through posters time after time with no results. Hoss, financials, dongfeng, transparency, RV sales, Grants, city vehicles, John Deere testin (my favorite) and on and on. It's easy fellas. Just toss out some names and possible events and let your inside postin crew do the rest. That's how it goes down when ya have a company run by a fraud felon. Now who wants to step up and tell me "that was in the past and means nothin now"? Old news right? How about the same old game? That fits better. This company has already reported that it received over a million in Grants, has a 100,000 sq ft facility, contracts with cities and whatever else they can make up as needed. All total BS. Yep, it's old BS boys. Now tell me how the new BS is gonna happen one more time please. You've been tryin ta no avail every since I found this trash heap and it's baggage.
Hey rainman.
Not all of us feel that way. I'm not sure how any poster has the rocks to tell someone in your shoes how to post, act and feel. Some of us have been on to this game for years and have posted that today was comin fast. Now ya got courts and prosecutors draggin their feet while you blow in the wind. Gotta feel real nice from your seat havin some dipsht tell ya not ta worry about Corey livin high off your coin. Looks ta me like another Rumble in Rosyln is brewin. The first one had employees bailin out left and right at NIR. Tucci's two blockheads got more done in an afternoon than anyone I've seen yet. You boys need ta get your group tagether with your lawyers and drop in for a little Come to Jesus Meetin with the perps. Leavin a call back number at the front desk aint gonna make the dog hunt.
Hey Stick, HLNT now too?
How do ya think I want that to go? Better yet, how did it go different than I wanted it ta go. Let's see what ya got besides the smoke Stick. Get back on this one ASAP and then I'll tell ya what I waqnted in that case. Save a post and add the info about my foreigh entity ya claimed I have. Hurry before ya get that email ta shut the hell up.
He left out a couple more Hugh.
Dude just aint gettin it. I'm waitin ta hear about my foreign whatever he referred to. Which a those poster catagories do ya think him and jnk fall into? I'll add a few more that read this rag
investigators
Present NIR employees
A California Senator?NIR investor
The selected investors that are gettin paid
The ones testifing
The ones who believe they may be testifing soon
The ones who emailed Dworkin
Corey's wife
Hedge Fund managers
Present funded company CEO's
The SEC, DOJ and FBI
Those in varies lawsuits with NIR
Those waitin to file a Complaint
Investigative journalist
Attorneys
Canadian shortin entities
A Prime Brooker
Lots of S. Florida folks
It is if new money paid old and the invested return went into NIR pockets while a lockdown was in place.
Should get more on that tomorrow cdog.
jnk your post content chnaged bro.
Woops. Serious accusations ya say? What is fiduciary responsibilty jnk? Whice business practice did I mention that has ya bunched? Was it the one where I used the Investor Contract and Note Holder Financials as my source? I'm not sure why you're so friggin jiggy about your Florida comment ya posted? I could give a rat's azz about that. Same with the Mizel?Palmetto thing. That was just noise ta me. Forget em both and post whatever ya want about NIR. I'll let ya know what I think about it.
Sure.
Hey Buff.
My boy jnkie had ya as gagged and put away by some wannabe private individual who's name got mentioned in print. Are ya actually free now?
Yup jnkie, a real laugh a minute.
You've proven to be what you haven't claimed. Don't let that slow ya down though. I love shootin the breeze with ya. I've posted a sht load of names here that would rather remain private and no one seems ta want ta talk ta me about it. Even posted my emaill address for em. Now Buff gets sanctioned by some cat you seem ta know all about? When ya stop backpeddlin why not post who that is. I'll mention their name everyday just for the opportunity ta make a new friend. I'm tryin ta turn over a new leaf.
otcdd dude.
Dworkin knows and will tell that story. Look into Envision Capital and MedGen as in: Gross - Envision/MedGen = Net. A case of NIR workin hard to keep those companies strong like they reported to the investors. Nice hedge. Let me make it simple.
Investor puts 100k in NIR hands
NIR puts 20k in their pocket
Nir loans company 80k
NIR forces company ta kick back 25k for a net 55k received
NIR converts shares on an 80k note amount at a 60% discount
Corey goes to selected charity eventCorey
Corey does business with selected US senators husband
The Senator is an NIR investor
Corey shuts the redemption door on the investors
SO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? JUST DOIN BUSINESS AS CONTAINED IN THE CONTRACT LANGUAGE AND HONORIN THAT FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO THE LOCKED OUT INVESTORS, RIGHT JNKIE?
jnkie my boy.
Now you've gone from a simple in over your head futures brooker that had Coreys vacation schedule to an expert of the goins on down in Florida. Same Florida that ya claimed Corey wasn't in durin the Dog show. All a the sudden you're a bit more multi dimentional. Maybe Buff is in Washington DC right jnk? The more ya talk, the less ya say and more ya claim ta know, bro.
Will do jnk.
I've never posted on the Mizel case for reasons that are mine alone. Don't care about Mizel one way or the other. Wrong tactic from day oner in my opinion. I've posted where the dirt is. Looked at Investor contracts and Company Notes. The language is clear to me. The gold is in the breach not the language. NIR is scared ta death that a decision is gonna come down that they are in breach of ever single note. From the investor position it's all about fiduciary responsibily and the breaches. As late as today I've poted the list of names to sit down under the light and start questionin under oath. Mizel and his Palmetto whatever are way off my radar jnkie.
Too bad the NIR investors didn't have the option of shortin NIR.
Like NIR did them. Right jnk/Stickler?
Make some sense jnk.
I'm no investor or shareholder either. Neither is the DOJ but none of us are going anywhere. Buff just might be in Florida at a charity event. So what? Likely has a laptop. He might see Corey there handin out NIR investor coin with the new squeeze in tow. So give it another shot jnkboy. Why would Buff not show up here again? Gert with NIRstickler and come up with a reason that holds some H2O pal. H2O as in Deep Water.
Gottcha rainman.
I'd be fried too. Time ta drop the hammer on the perp.
Why jnk?
You and him did have that special relationship. Ya told Buff he was fulla crap about the Florida Dog trip in error. What makes ya think he's MIA now?
Are you askin me if I'd like to buy your NIR position?
"Who is what guy"? "make 1000%"? I'm not gettin your post.
As early as 2006 NIR was usin Dworkin as the funded company go to guy at NIR. Corey isolated himself and paid Dworkin big bucks to interface with the companies and investors. Dworkin, NIR, Envision Capital and MedGen had a special relationship. A complete searh of all MedGen related transactions will provide an international view of hedgin. Dworkin, Corey and in house attorney John Schechter approved everything as the Committee.
Dworkin was placed as the NIR frontman for investors and funded companies. NIR/Dworkin would use Envision Capital as their Deal Finder. Envision would charge 10% or so to the funded companies and kick back to NIR. Once NIR had a company hooked and they'd come back for another loan Dworkin would tell them they needed to hire a PR Group or no fundin would be approved by the Committee. MedGen would fill that role even though they were not a PR group nor ever did an agreed upon PR work. This little kich back scam would net in the 25% range of the funded amount and was fronted for Dworkin again by Envision Capital and MedGen two Boca Raton neighbors. This left Corey isolated and freed up to deal with the Gelmon brothers and their crew of associates. That include the husband of NIR investor Senator Mimi Walters. Michael Walters worked with Steven Humphries who shared an office with Gelmon. Humphries and Dworkin were both arrested and pled guilty to fraud charges. They are tellin their story now. The link below tells about the NIR team jumpin ship when the heat got too hot. MedGen did the same and closed their doors and ran. There's plenty more to find and dots to connect for prosecutors. Look to Walters, the Gelmon Brothers, Eric Noveshen, Paul Kravitz and Jonathan Schechter for plenty more on the unfoldin story. Humphries and dworkin need to be asked and answer the right questions. If they aren't asked, i suggest NIR investors should be goin after those that fail to ask them. It's time to turn up the heat, not sit back a wait per some lame attornies suggestion. If ya don't throw punches ya don't win fights. Throw a few jabs at those who don't want a real fight. They are in this game and need a little reminder.
http://www.hfmweek.com/news/156066/nir-group-employees-jump-ship.thtml
Hugh, I take it that you mean the NIR v HLNT case?
A very interestin case indeed. Seems the ultra non transparent HLNT owes NIR notes somewhere in the 10 million dollar range. That ex HLNT CEO Steven Humphries who was got caught in a FBI sting opperation and pled guilty to securities fraud is now cooperatin with the DOJ to reduce his sentence. Upon his resignation Humphries appointed another convicted felon Mel Robinson as CEO and sole director of HLNT. Robinson the appointed his Arkansas neighbors as HLNT Directors including some plumber as the frontman new CEO. All of the talk here on this board is always about the so called projects that Humphries was involved in. Namely an agreement with a Chinese auto company and a simple hho hydrolysis unit. Robinsons first claim as CEO was that HLNT would become transparent and reporting. Well it's been over a year and that never happened. What did happen is that Robinson and directors created a new class of Preferred shares that convert to common shares at a ration of 1 Preferred for 10 Common. Last year that class was increased 4 times and now sits at 100 million shares. In true non transparent fashion no one knows where those shares have all gone. We do know that Directors were issued em thougfh. Seems to me that Robinson knew this HLNT thing had a short life span and that he'd better get while the gettin is still good. Remember Mel and friends created those shares and don't report on them. Lots of people are watchin HLNT just as they were when Humphries was playin his games. Humphries was workin with lender (10 million dollars worth) NIR Group who now has HLNT in court. Humphries also shared an office with suspected NIR shortin partner Michael Gelmon. Humphries was appointed as HLNT CEO by the husband of California Senator Mimi Walters who is a big NIR investor. Her husband, Gelmon and Humphries all worked hand in hand with NIR. NIR is under investigation now and Humphries pled guilty to securities fraud. Gelmon is in Canada where shortin is the game and Walters is under a rock hopin no one knocks on his door. Meanwhile Humphries appointed another felon buddy Robinson who was right there with the group all along and the games. Does anyone here wonder why this pps is tankin? Look at your people folks. A real crack team ya got here. Lookj into Robinsonson past games. You'll have a ball. HLNT is just business as usual for him.
I can come up with real claims.
Wanna go there?
All he had ta do is convince investors that the companies were in great shape. That's were the fiduciary responsibility comes in. Therein lies the con. See ya need companies that will sell their soul (shares) for a quick buck. Bout 60% of the funded companies just wanted money for shares to pay salaries. That's it. Shares mean nothin ta them and everythin ta NIR. So everyone plays ball for awhile and gets happy. The 40% tried ta do business but when word about shortin and Consulting shake downs got out they went inta litigation mode. Problem is that once NIR had em under them no other fundin was available. So to stay alive they go back to NIR. Bout this time the 144 restrictions are up and investors want a return. Corey had ta play the Madoff MO the whole time and toss around the M. Lynch NORMA 7 billion dollar fund thing day after day. Some of us here knew the game and told it like it was or better yet how it was about ta be. No investors posted here then. Why would they? Most thought we were a bunch a wackos with a grudge I imagine. Hell, Corey spelled out the business model and it made sense. You give me a 100k. I get 80k a that working for ya right away. We get shares at a 60% discount no matter what the pps is. We sell them shares next day. Can't lose, right. Corey knew better. The company CEO's knew the game. We knew how it all worked but the investors were duped real good. They invested so they didn't have ta think or learn about this crap. Corey told em the companies were in great shape and bein watched by his crack crew. The sasme ones in court for the backroom con games with the deal finders. Is the farmer responsible for watchin the hen house? Especially for those who bought him the hens?
BSWB I would think there are a bunch that RS'd in the last 2 years or so.
Not sure what that would mean to anyone here. NIR could care less as long as they have room under the AS to convert shares. PPS or the float means nothin in the NIR Model. Same with the investorsx. As long as the companies convert under the note terms the whole deal works for them (the investors) Todays situation says that many companies were not converting or creating room under the AS to continue convertin. Seems the c ompanies knew the same thing Corey knew. That is that this thing had a lifespan before it imploded. It just takes several court battles and a bunch a nonconvertin companies ta bring it all down. The smart ones just sat back on the high ground and watched it happen. The Model just doesn't cash flow with companies that don't produce a product. NIR knew that and the question now is "how did they hedge that sure to happen event?"
yes everyone here does have some agenda.
Most of the info producers are happy ta help guys like you, the investors. I wouldn't like gettin my ass kissed while i pay for vacations either. Problem is, that's what you're doin and it aint gettin better or taken care of. I'm sure ya didn't expect ta be in this position. You're dealin with folks that are gonna tell ya whatever it takes ta buy time. If ya wanna stop that ya need ta take to a place they don't wanna be. We call it deep water. When ya talk about drowning when ya have em there, they tend ta listen. Organize and figure out how ta get there.
That's a classic Marshall Rusty.
A table from 2007. So since then REI returned 100 million of those shares and reversed the remaining shares as well as all the others on that list. All listed on your 2007 document are also insiders who would have to report any share sale. Can ya post any share sale by an insider? Seems ta me ya got another agenda cause your posts and claims aren't holdin water. All this personal enrichment talk comin from you with no backup is gettin pretty funny. Looks like the plan to steal the Data Center has the failed perps a little jiggy. You're always about three steps behind buddy. Learn ta live with it.
Ya want DD dshade?
I'm very DD'd up on HLNT and all involved. Pick your poison pal. Ya wanna talk about the people runnin HLNT or the technology? Or should we do both? Let's take it anywhere ya want, your call. I'll post the solid DD and wait for anyone to dispute any of it. Technology is flawed and useless as a product for a public company. A perfect fit for those runnin the company. Too much light on this subject could be a real problem ta answer, right bro? I'll help ya clear the smoke so ya have a little of that promised transparency if ya wanna go there.
Why should I contact Chen?
Get a new attorney. your agreement is a problem but it did carry a fiduciary responsibility that has been breached or so it seems. The last time dudes with a short fuse showed up Corey got to settlement mode real fast. Ya won't be talkin to the Three Stooges ya mentioned. You'll get in house legal. the last thing the others want is to be on record tellin investors another bs story. You aren't gonna win the BS valuation argument. That was well thought out on day one. The notes are real and the fee comm is based on them. Seems your money went out, less commision, kickbacks came back in and as many conversions of shares took place as possible to pay overhead and grease wheels. I'm not sure what you consider a waste of time but walkin in and askin the tough questions seems to work a lot better than payin an attorney ta tell ya ta sit tight. All just my opinion bro. Comin from a dude with a proactive temper.
Hey R77.
What's the story on Dworkins claims from your perspective? Were you or anyone ya know lied to by Dworkin? Did Corey trot him out to deliver a bs message to you investors or not? Why are you dudes as a group/class not going to roslyn for a face to face meetin and explaination? You're receivin total nonsense in those letters. I'd be askin about the trip to Florida. Was a donation made to that friggin dog group? Were any redemptions made once you were locked out. Where are those evaluations of the funded companies that were reported so positively? What's the story on the "deal Finder" kickbacks to NIR. Start real simple with those questions and one on how the funds under management were calculated and by who. Bad answers and ya file a Complaint as a group. Depose Dworkin and Yellen. Bring in Steven Humphries too. Ask him about Gelmon and Walters. Ask about the plan to fund companies and then have Dworkin and Envision Capital demand a kickback/consulting agreement from those companies. Where did that money go that was listed as loans under mgmt? Ask about the contact of MedGen shareholders by foreign corps that charged to sell shares. Several of these guys are fightin for their freedom and will not be real interested in perjury under oath right now. Should cost 20 investors about a K each ta get all the answers ya need. Lay a foundation and it'll lead ta more good questions.
Ya have ta answer to published financials WDog. That's a bit of a problem now that the lights are on. Better to let folks here play the net profit guessin game. We've had the million dollar profit posts, the Hoss comin soon posts, the financials out anyday now posts, the website tomorrow posts and anythin else the group can think of posts but no reality to any of it. All that and we're well over a year into that new transparency PR promise. Picture is pretty clear to me.
Be patient Firsk, your day's comin.
Put you question in front of those that count. No one here pulls that trigger although we load the gun.
The funny thing about that post is that ya probably believe no one (like NIR) saw that possibility. So if we take your numbers we have this: NIR is reportin a 10 million dollar asset and ECMH is patin debt with shares. Did ya think ya were breakin new ground with that info dude? FIRSK already told ya that NIR told investors that they do great DD and all the companies funded are doin great. What is it that ya claim ECMH is doin wrong again? I yhink they are workin with NIR ta get debt paid as they can. There are no lawsuits between the two that I can find. I've never heard NIR speak about ECMH or ECMH diss NIR. Doubt they are buddy buddy but can assure ya both sides are smart enough ta understand the other. Is that what bugs ya? If so, good for you. I don't think either cares what you or I think either. Not now anyway but NIR did ask me ta back off cause I know and share too much.
That;s correct and this is the last time I'm gonna address the nonsense. I have no relationship with any public company I've ever posted about. No ownership/equity position, no business dealings and the same with NIR. I don't care what NIR wants ta do with ECMH or what ECMH wants ta do about NIR. My interest is in certain technologies, people in those technologies and certain other individuals for other reasons that are off topic here. It's probably pretty clear by now that I don't give a rat's ass what anyone thinks about me or my posts. I usually post to get a response though. Don't really care if it's positive or negative. They all contain info I can process. Ya might sxay I'm in the opinion business. I'd venture ta say that I get more than most. I already have the answers so I don't need questions answered. How ya like that?
Partly correct.
Remember that I was assigned certain technologies to DD. ECMH is totally energy related and their technology came out of govt. funded programs. I did know him from activities goin on around Stanford in the 70's. Reconnected in the 90's while doin DD on rotary engines and fuels and those that controlled them. Some write that I'm connected to NIR in some way. Not true. I first heard of NIR in 2005. I'm not closely related to NIR or ECMH. What companies are ya referrin to that Webber worked for and I posted about? My posts have always been related to the technology.
Stickler, I came to this board years ago cause some dude on a R Bull board kept askin me dumb questions about NIR and refered to this board a lot. Go do your DD and you'll see that fact. I'm no exemployee of NIR or any NIR funded company. Consider me a dude who does DD for other folks. Almost always energy related but also related to those who make claims and have loose ties to energy realted organizations and technologies. Prior to that I just looked at certain people for several reasons. Combine the two and ya get the pic.
You're right flashman
You're tailgatin me bro.
Bet with the house or against the house? What if ya can do both? One side pays ya ta win at the other. It's a lock bro. No game like it and they line up ta partake.
Another jnkman type attempt?
New handle, same nonsense. Should be NIEGrasper not Stickler. Seems the stickler part goes out the window when this dude talks about anyone but NIR.
Wh was in the room when they said that? Sure he knew what to expect. Ask some a the companies if they did that crack DD on the business. Ask the ones who know if Corey knew Dworkin was playin his extortion game. Dworkins already tellin his story about what happened on the inside and who knew what. Ask some a the companies who's tellin the truth. It aint Corey. It aint about evil. It's all about greed and money. The dude preyed on those he was friends with. Some are gonna like that less than others and likely have a long memory. Dude is just like Madoog but had a different twist. Both wiold look ya in the eye and say anythin needed ta get what's in your back account. Why even discuss his valuations? Maybe the "smartest guy in the room" thing should be changed to "the dude who signs our paychecks"
Dude, I've been tellin others what was gonna go down at NIR for over 3 years. Now you wanna step up and act like ya had the know and gave it to us? Bottom line is you wouldn't even be postin here if I hadn't posted about HLNT that you need to protect. Watch what happens with them too, just like I've posted. Ya forget that these dudes here on this board have read my stuff for years. Your post is makin ya look pretty outta the loop or different agenda motivated.