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chocherita, on Yahoo Finance it's BBDA.PK
huppo, Brian did not promise 2 PRs per week. He said "if needed", this is "if and only if". He mentioned he will not turn into a PR machine. All what he meant is he will communicate enough but not on fluff. There will be a PR only when there's something substantial to PR. He also provided the rough time line for his plans. Refer to his video and CC for more details.
stock_hippie, from the available information it seems they can and they will but like anything in the real world, they need time. The good news is that the company seems to have a plan and is working on it. The even better news is that "they" now refers to a new owner (Potencia) who has been there done that not a wannabe who still needs to prove they can cross the realm of dreams to the real world and might fail in the process. The new owner is already in the real world and BBDA has been hinged to an already moving tractor that's gaining speed by time and can benefit from ALL its existing resources including network of relations, distribution, and from its experience in bringing products from concept to shelves. There are many stages any startup business needs to cross and BBDA has crossed a good number of those stages in one jump through Potencia. A dream for any investor.
This does not seem a P&D stock or a management that's trying to sell shares to collect money but rather an existing company (Potencia) that needs BBDA as a new arm to complement and leverage itself and it's a mutual benefit for all parties. It's beneficial for Potencia to put BBDA in full speed and soon.
My advise to you if you are not of the patient type is to watch trading at the end of the day and better end of the week. Also do not consider the 0.0001 price step but rather consider to a price range. If you bought in the range of [0.0005-0.0008] you are in a good position. If in [0.0001-0.0004] it's even better. If things materialized as expected and hoped, you'll be happy in the future to have bought in the range of [0.0001-0.002] and will be envied for that by the new comers.
If you can not afford to wait for a couple of weeks for minor developments and a couple of months for major development that this is stock is not for you.
GLTA.
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Posted by: stock_hippie Date: Friday, May 08, 2009 12:08:01 AM
In reply to: Wyatt Lee who wrote msg# 67833 Post # of 67846
for god sakes ,,cant they put the stuff in the stores...?
diggerodell, this was mentioned in the YouTube video and last conference call. You can find links to both on the board. You better to listen to both if you haven't already.
There's a 3rd way to increase PPS: Profits.
diggerodell, the point of RS was addressed recently and the company answered that there's none planned at least for the near future. Moreover, in the last CC Brian said that there could be a buyback in the future. Combining both info implies that if an action is needed to raise the PPS (if production did not succeed), chances are they will resolve to buying back rather than RS (again, if an action is ever needed).
intheclouds, I'll reply bit by bit:
>> "Ask any marketing person and they will tell you, timing is everything."
A person saying so would be targeting a very short time span and possibly looking for P&D. Tomorrow and next week it will make no difference if this PR was announced 8 AM or 2 PM.
>> "Same in the market; if you want the shareholders to get the most bang for their buck you'll put out PR right before the bell or a few hours before the bell."
Then you are not talking about shareholders here. This is useful for flippers but not shareholders. On the contrary, a shareholder does not like to see his shares run at the open due to temporary uncontrolled pressure only to fall mid day. A shareholder would be a happy with a good PR any time of the day. This is again good, it says the company is not into P&D.
>> "Heck right after the PR came out we had what close to 16 million buys and only 5 million sells. IMO if they would of put that out this morning we might of not had 86 mil sells and could of been in the .0007 range."
I think BBDA had days with a better sell/buy ratio during the last week without even a PR so today's PR probably was not the reason for today's sell/buy ratio. Also I did not follow the trading at the end of the day but I think it slowed down after the PR so again releasing it before hours would not make much difference.
All IMO, GLTA.
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Posted by: intheclouds Date: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:39:40 PM
In reply to: GreenHarvest who wrote msg# 67195 Post # of 67199
Ask any marketing person and they will tell you, timing is everything. Same in the market; if you want the shareholders to get the most bang for their buck you'll put out PR right before the bell or a few hours before the bell. Heck right after the PR came out we had what close to 16 million buys and only 5 million sells. IMO if they would of put that out this morning we might of not had 86 mil sells and could of been in the .0007 range.
jinvest73, everything is risky not only down here. Even driving your car is a sort of risk. What I'm talking about is manageable and toleratable risk. Everyone has his own risk tolerance but if my numbers from post #67190 are correct then this would be beyond risk, it would be a guaranteed miss out.
Again, this is only about the current situation which might change say next week.
intheclouds, the PR timing has nothing to do with the bell. They got news and they announced it, as simple as that. As another poster said it, this shows that they are not trying to influence trading. It's just they've got news and they PRed it!
pointdexter02, bid/ask info after hours here is useless. Look at it only during trading hours or a little before the open (with cautious).
And you know what's worse with flipping now too? To ensure selling then buying you need to sell at the BID then buy at the ASK so at a 0.0005/0.0006 bid/ask you need to sell at the BID of 0.0005 (because it's too hard to sell at the ask of 0.0006) then wait till the B/A moves to 0.0003/0.0004 to buy at 0.0004 (below your selling price). I see this not likely to happen not unless you flip over a couple of weeks and during that time we can not know what will happen with a stock that seems to by building up pressure every day. Yes it could fizz at the end and go down but currently I see flipping down for more shares is a big unnecessary risk. My advise is to hold whatever you have, sleep on it, and thank God for whatever you've got. If you want more shares then buy more without flipping.
GLTA.
jinvest73, this is a risky advise in current conditions. Juggling shares hoping to get more at a lower price while the stock could run at any time could end up in a chase and losing most of the shares one attempted to flip. For example in today's trading if you succeeded in selling at 0.0006 it's not likely to get any at 0.0005. Maybe another day but again a day could make a lot of difference here.
THECRAPSMAN, yes you could've flipped at 0.0007-8 to rebuy again at 0.0004-5 but you could've also missed a big run and ended up with a fraction of your original shares or buying the same shares at a higher price. You need to take your decision based on the potential of this stock and your risk tolerance (risk of missing out). Remember also that "could have" is useless here. At the time it was at 0.0007 you needed to be SURE it will go down in order to sell to rebuy later, were you? Don't blame yourself for playing it safe.
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Posted by: THECRAPSMAN Date: Monday, May 04, 2009 10:20:41 PM
In reply to: dmc622 who wrote msg# 66972 Post # of 66988
Well dmc622 I got 0.0002.0.0003 and have not flipped a DIME yet.Sometimes i wish i would of flipped at 0.0007-0.0008.and rebought at 0.0004-0.0005.But i didn,t.Anyways i think it would be a TOTAL waste for me to sell under 0.005.So what i,m saying is i will not be one of the FLIPPERS until 0.005 or higher.
Jdub33328, I heard about Drank not too long ago. Yes it's a competition but a good one. The anti-energy drinks market is new and if there's already one or more drinks out there BBDA can gain the following benefits form this situation:
- Educating the market. BBDA's Koma does not need to educate the market about the concept if there's already one or more pioneers out there who've done the job so Koma can benefit from this with an readily educated market when it rolls out.
- Drank can help in identifying the market acceptance for the anti-energy drinks concept by seeing how things are going for Drank so BBDA/shareholders can expect how Koma may fare too.
So, I want BBDA to have a competition and a good one too. Welcome to Drank and all Koma's competition to pave the way and prepare the market for it.
GLTA.
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Posted by: Jdub33328 Date: Monday, May 04, 2009 2:56:15 PM
In reply to: firebag1 who wrote msg# 66851 Post # of 66903 [Send a link via email]
anyone ever heard of this? Sounds like it could be competition for Koma...but I've never seen it before.
http://consumerist.com/tag/anti-energy/?i=5013314&t=meet-drank-the-anti+energy-drink
WayneC777, I agree with you and I have no problem with such answers for a first time CC with a CEO who is new to the stocks arena and has been with this situation for a very short time. I'll take the CC as a way of getting to know each other and for Brian to know the shareholders' concerns, just a friendly meeting and an informal discussion, no problem. However, I'm expecting the next CC not to be the same and to get many of the first CC concerns and questions answered in figures and numbers and exact dates based on clear studied plans. If anyone is in contact with him please deliver this message.
I hope for the first; buying back. One of the questions I wanted asked in the CC is if there's a buyback but never expected it to get answered if happening or gonna happen. The reason of course is if this is announced the PPS will raise greatly once announced while it's best for the company to keep it down and buy slowly at low prices. Any 0.0001 raise would make much difference for a meaningful buyback of 100s of millions of shares. 0.0001 of 0.0004 = 25% more share for the same money.
I hope there's a buyback.
WayneC777, I have the following list, please add it to the CC questions:
- Start of distribution through the 2 new distribution partners
- Existing/pending orders for the product
- Expected market share
- Expected sales/revenue/profit
- Plans for buyback
- Expected time for uplisting
Miami_Stock, I won't discuss the percentage as this ratio is your own forecasting but you can not go as far as predicting that "there is not going to be any buyers". A stock going from 0.0005 to 0.002 (400%) will surely attract the attention of not only more traders but also another type of traders that would not touch a trible-zero stock and may consider the 400% PPS appreciation along with the company fundamentals as a confirmation to get in so that price can open the doors to a new level of investors that could create a new major support level if fundamentals are attractive enough. Without buying and selling the stock will freeze and no one will be able to buy.
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Posted by: Miami_Stock
Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:01:01 PM
In reply to: THECRAPSMAN who wrote msg# 65567 Post # of 65611
80% of people that bought today at 0.0005 are going to sell their stock if bbda gets tomorrow on .0020 and something good is going to turn on a disgrace cause everybody is going to try to sale and there is not going to be any buyers and you know whats going to happen your stock again is worst 0.0005, lets hope on webber clearing some issues on tomorrow conf call..
Jdub33328, I don't know yet if/how the questions will be compiled and relayed in the CC. Here's the CC, look in the Breaking News area: http://www.investmentnation.com
Good luck.
So the company needs to do an effort to clear its image on Pink Sheets. It's worth here pointing out to Brian that a buy back could benefit everyone, the company and the shareholders. It will probably result in a higher PPS which in turn could help in uplisting the stock.
Please ask about the following too. Any of this information will greatly help:
- Start of distribution through the 2 new distribution partners
- Existing/pending orders for the product
- Expected market share
- Expected sales/revenue/profit
- Plans for buyback
- Expected time for uplisting
Orca, a thankful effort but my understanding is that you helped the "owner" of BBDA not BBDA itself when you promoted the energy drink. BBDA is different from Potencia and as far as I know up to this moment they are two different companies when it comes to energy/anti-energy drinks.
Good luck to everyone.
blockbuster, again a nice design but try to use another color for the flowers as red usually indicates energy, fire, hot and alike which is opposite to the message of the Unwind drink (anti-energy). Try something in the blues or greens.
Thanx for your efforts.
jimbojones, TDA does not show L2 data for BBDA and Pink Sheets stocks in general. Even their real-time L1 bid/ask data is incorrect most of the time. It's worth writing to them though if you have the service already because with demand they might fix it.
pocket.change, I choose the first to the left for "Unwind". The ones with the arrows although good but the arrows imply action which doesn't go with unwinding. Left is best, the waves in the design look like slow waves from a flowing relaxing spring or someone on an inflatable chair in a calm swimming pool. The lines also are a nice simple touch.
Isn't there a way to add a poll to the board? Can the admins do it? Let's just do it for fun to choose the best design among the contributors and then announce the winning design and add it to the iBox as the board choice.
blockbuster, good design but no to "unwind". It's energetic and suitable more for the energy drink rather than the relaxation one. Keep the good work going.
blockbuster, my idea was not to get a design but actually to light the fire in parallel to what the company has been doing especially that there's no final design as of yet. I know this will not happy but just wanted to speak my mind out.
Good effort blockbuster. I'm biased to the one with nature. I imagine a public contest to design the Unwind can graphics where fans design and vote for the winning design. A drink designed by the people, for the people, and chosen by them too. This event alone can be a good way to attract interest and raise awareness of the product. Just an idea.
diddi, you can not refer to the last run without knowledge of the structures then and now. What if the PPS resistance to appreciate is coming form a slow share dumping? A wise management should be buying back at these low prices either for the company or individually. I say one of the top priorities is to get a clear and updated share structure as well as a the company plan regarding their future share structure if there's a buy back in the horizon.
navy_seal_team_one, forget about runs. Just compare the share structure vs price for the 2 companies now. I'm sure a lot would be happy if BBDA's PPS reached the same range EESO is trading in now.
navy_seal_team_one, I'm not advocating the $1+ PPS here because this would need a miracle but I have to make a correction about BBDA vs EESO shares. EESO float seems to be more than that of BBDA's (about 1.6 times BBDA float). This is from my post #59824 (corrected).
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...a quick comparison shows the following (sources are iBox on BBDA and EESO boards):
EESO SHARES STRUCTURE:
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New O/S: 1,688,609,857 confirmed by MOJOCASH 3/6/09 (4 million reduction BUY BACK)
3/20/09: 300 million restricted stock put into special account.
Total: 1,988,609,857
A/S: 2,000,000,000
BBDA:
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Common Stock Outstanding: 1,069,087,549 shares as of, November 5, 2008.
Authorized Shares: 1,405,000,000
This says the following:
BBDA O/S = 53% of EESO total O/S.
BBDA O/S = 63% of EESO total O/S minus restricted.
BBDA A/S = 70% of EESO A/S.
I could not get the float for both to compare it too.
EESO went from around 0.0002 in September 08 to above 0.04 in February 09 (chart below):
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=EESO&p=D&yr=0&mn=8&dy=0&id=p07047913539
I'm not trying here to say that BBDA will follow suit as EESO but to show that it is almost sure that BBDA's current share structure is not a hindrance to reaching a high PPS (we still need to compare floats to be say this surely). If BBDA's management proved a value then the PPS can see similar levels.
math_man, it's a move in the right direction. Acquiring another company would cost cash or shares (not good) but acquiring the services makes them focus on production while leaving the distribution to a specialized company so everyone does what they do best.
Good luck to everyone.
I need a second opinion about the meaning of last PR. The PR meant acquiring "the services" of Alternative Beverages as a partner not acquiring Alternative Beverages itself.
Thanx in advance.
THECRAPSMAN, flipping is a part of any stock trading. A healthy stock should not suffer from flipping and flipping is necessary for providing liquidity. If everyone bought and kept their shares you'd never be able to buy any for yourself (except for a very high price). Of course the price would skyrocket by then (demand and no supply) but this is another story.
GetRichOrDieTrying, this is a smart and valid notice. My opinion is that looking at the situation form the buyer's end shows the following:
- The time now is very sensitive for Potencia and they do not have the luxury to venture in buying another business unless there's a real benefit from it and addition to their current business.
- The reason Potencia bought BBDA could be closing BBDA and getting it out of the energy drinks market but in fact the benefit from this would be minimal considering that BBDA's Koma is not yet out and there are already many established brands out there. It's more rational IMO to believe that there's an added benefit for Potencia, for example directing BBDA to target another niche market besides the current Potencia Latino market. A strategy that might work.
- Potencia has already been there done that and this means that they could evaluate BBDA before buying it based on experience. They do not seem to me like naive investors fooled to buy an nonfunctional company. It seems to me that they saw something valid and beneficial to them and decided to get it.
- The date of buying marks a transformation for BBDA. I see it actually as a new company as now BBDA works as a part of a bigger mechanism instead of an independent wannabe company. This system can push BBDA forward due to many factors. BBDA could be now going in a different and better direction. Now it's being supported by another company that has already launched a similar product and can give good guidance and avoid try and fail actions.
All this needs to stand the test of time but I see good potential.
Good luck to all.
MrBigz, which L2 service do you use?
A little correction:
This says the following:
BBDA O/S = 53% of EESO total O/S.
BBDA O/S = 63% of EESO total O/S minus restricted.
BBDA A/S = 70% of EESO A/S.
dumar, a quick comparison shows the following (sources are iBox on BBDA and EESO boards):
EESO SHARES STRUCTURE:
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New O/S: 1,688,609,857 confirmed by MOJOCASH 3/6/09 (4 million reduction BUY BACK)
3/20/09: 300 million restricted stock put into special account.
Total: 1,988,609,857
A/S: 2,000,000,000
BBDA:
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Common Stock Outstanding: 1,069,087,549 shares as of, November 5, 2008.
Authorized Shares: 1,405,000,000
This says the following:
BBDA O/S = 53% of EESO total shares.
BBDA O/S = 63% of EESO total shares minus restricted.
BBDA A/S = 70% id EESO A/S.
I could not get the float for both to compare it too.
EESO went from around 0.0002 in September 08 to above 0.04 in February 09 (chart below):
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=EESO&p=D&yr=0&mn=8&dy=0&id=p07047913539
I'm not trying here to say that BBDA will follow suit as EESO but to show that it is almost sure that BBDA's current share structure is not a hindrance to reaching a high PPS (we still need to compare floats to be say this surely). If BBDA's management proved a value then the PPS can see similar levels.
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Posted by: FatFinger6 Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009 8:07:37 PM
In reply to: dumar who wrote msg# 59771 Post # of 59823 [Send a link via email]
BIG? EESO has about the same size share strucure and its trading around .02, 1.4B is perfect for me..allows for a decent fill
chevdawg18, did you mean Bloomfield Investment Club?
Dinero709, still early to tell. Looks like it's still heating up. Keep watching to confirm direction and estimate the magnitude of the leap if any but I see a strong candidate for some good fireworks.
TimberinTN, thank you. I see water only now with a potential energy drink. I think I'm not missing anything.