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Nope. "Shearin said so" is the ONLY "Proof"
You know, the same Shearin who said his goal was 1000 machines by EOY 2014. Neat goal huh? I like goals. Especially when they are not credibly achievable. Why didn't Shearin just claim their goal is to put a Zazzz machine on Mars for aliens to have access to MMJ?
Let's not forget that some people here call folks out for accidental omissions, yet they are excused from their "honest" mistake of tripeling monthly revenues in the OneBode deal.
And now the spigot has been opened to the latest pumps:
4/20
And
CNN's Weed 3
Yes 420 brings plenty of attention to MJ. Duh. But not once has the date provided any significant tailwinds for the public MJ market.
And 2 years ago the mmj market got a "Gupta bounce" when Sanjay publicly reversed his position on MJ. Sure it was a significant moment, but once again, a short lived, temporary bounce that is not reflected I. The current MJ market.
It was NOT a "Sale"
AG supposedly receives $10k/month from Healthy Home and if the full amount is not paid by 2016, OneBode is returned to AG. It's basically a lease to own deal that will never result in $3.5m for AG just like the $1.7/1.17m Jurrassic Water order fell thru.
It's detailed in the Annual Report on OTC Markets.
Hmmm...Interesting Timeline There
So 30 minutes ago, I stated for the first time that I sent Shearin an unanswered email regarding CA dispensaries interested in Zazzz and somehow in that time, you emailed Stephen and he responded that he never received such an email?
Maybe it is you who should provide email backup that Shearin said he never received said emails from me or the other I know sent notes to him.
That is a Complete LIE
I know he has been sent several emails regarding Zen Healing in LA because I and several others have sent him emails regarding this dispensary.
Lies About Everything?
What like......AG has utterly failed to meet their COO's stated goal of 1000 Zazzz machines in operation by EOY 2014? Or that the OneBode "sale" is a farce? Or that the $1.7m or $1.17m JWS order failed?
Please expand on these untruths about American Green
Seriously?
It's not that hard to go into my sent box. It's also not so hard to just retold whatever I please.
Bottom line here is that Stephen knows I sent him the email. Why don't you ask him about unanswered emails from shareholders about CA dispensaries that are interested in Zazzz.
And give me a break about the minor omission in the post about Exhale. I accidentally said they had "no Zazzz" machine when I was intending to type "no operating Zazzz machine".
Please tell us more how ERBB was such a good buy from .06 all the way down to .0069 and that ERBB should be at $1 if not for MM manioulation. Talk about zero credibility!
Small Gap Above at a Penny
That's about the only positive going for ERBB right now. That gap will likely close in the next few days, possibly even tomorrow. Of course,miss purely a technical play as AG is still a fundamental disaster.
Yes Congratulations
You are up a mere 10%. Of course that is if you aren't one of the people who have been claiming to buy at all the other great entry points you noted at .06, .05, .04, .03, .02.......
And as for the "ruling" that was supposed to blast ERBB through the roof......amazing that we are green afterwards. Or maybe it isn't. Maybe the hype train here completely misjudged the significance and application of said ruling.
Please Qualify this Earning Optimism
And why is it everyone is expecting earnings to be so great?
Because Lord Shearin said so? The same guy who claimed he could see 1000 Zazzz machines operating by EOY 2014? The same guy responsible for numerous PRs about corporate partnerships that have all failed? The same company officer responsible for PRs about asset sales that never came to fruition? The same guy who released a PR about exponential growth in AGs sales of cultivation products that were somehow not reflected in the last earnings report?
I just don't see it. From someone who is close to the growing community in the country's largest mmj market,I'm don't know a single grower who uses OGTea, Jurrasic Water or Truth Lighting, much less even heard of them. Even after sending numerous emails to Stephen regarding dispensaries in CA who currently use standard vending machines to sell THC product, he doesn't respond. For cripes sake, I had a dispensary all lined up and excited about Zazzz but Shearin never responded to my emails to get him in touch with the owner.
Please explain why the upcoming ER will be so great other than "Shearin said so."
MMs Dude, MMs
It's the MMs. Has to be. Couldn't be anything else except maybe Freddy Kruger but I don't think he's a specialist for ERBB anymore because he was replaced by Wonder Woman.
Thanks for Keeping it REAL
While there are numerous external pressures facing American Green, it is by absolutely no means the MMs keeping ERBB down. To claim so or to claim ERBB is worth $4b is only to lie to oneself.
Management is completely inept. Shearin has produced a bevy of errors, broken promises and failures to the point where he has zero credibility left. Only the most deluded supporters still find comfort in Stephen's games. I'm on the fence about AG being a complete scam and that alone says to me this goose is cooked.
It's refreshing to see reality seeping into this forum. Many of us have been clouded by last year's reaping of major profits but the fog has lifted and all that's left is a barren wasteland. I thought ERBB may be different due to a speciality in the marketplace with Zazzz. The dispensary infrequent in LA has 2 standard vending machines and they are fantastic for skipping long lines or getting small THC items. After seeing the success of these machines I was convinced the concept could be massive. If rolled out on a national scale, biometric vending machines could be a cash cow.
Instead for AG, getting a working vending machine to market has been as easy as milking a cash cow with tweezers. The legal, software, and "wrapping" delays are a load of the other stuff that comes from the back end of a cows mate. The positive PRs are completely unfulfilled.
Realit bites, and ERBB sucks
It's the MMs Fault Mueller Ruled Against MJ
That is not a fact but it may explain why ERBB isn't at ten dollars today
Sanity.
As I said, MJ is NOT being rescheduled today.
First of all the ruling today would NOT have given way to rescheduling, it was a decision being made by a lower court judge on whether the federal prohibition of MJ was "Constitutional".
Second, she clearly did NOT rule in favor of MJ today.
Third, I don't think the decision matters a whoop for the MJ market or ERBB. American Green's bigger concern should be getting past any state legal clearance issues for Zazzz. Even in a state like CA that currently has little to no regulation of vending machines in dispensaries, AG can't get their Zazzz machines operating. Numerous dispensaries in LA have vending machines. Why can AG get a Zazzz into Harborside in SF? I would think Steve D'Angelo would be excited to try out new tech in the industry.
Fourth, I'd love to go back and read the last 2 weeks of posts hyping today's ruling by Judge Mueller. "Better buy now"...."I'm loading up because MJ is being rescheduled April 15"......"the decision was delayed to buy the govt time to prepare for an epic change"......
The hype machine pounds away at the lifeless heart of ERBB trying to resurrect this dead horse.
"Very" Legal, Seriously?
Is that like being "very" pregnant?
I know MJ will be legal. It's practically legal in CA and other medical states. I spend about $3g on MJ each year and that with friendly discounts.
Did you know there are multiple bills to "legalize" it on a federal level and on many state levels?
Blame Everyone Except ERBB/AG
Blame the MMs, blame the pharma industry, blame the legal system. Sure maybe the last 2 are legitimate obstacles but let's not kid ourselves.
AG is in the toilet because management cannot execute. Period.
There are many Davids who have stayed many Goliaths. Little Ol Apple took on IBM from a garage. MicroSoft and FaceBook were developed in college dorm rooms.
American Green has used professional media and significant capital to "develop" their wares but this has gotten them nowhere. By now AG was supposed to be operating 1000+ Zazzz machines. Instead there are 2 machines that are loosely confirmed operating, the a/s count is almost maxed, and revenue is nil.
So why is this the fault of anyone other than management?
From AG's Quarterly Report Released Feb 2015
Who know wtf with the alleged OneBode sale? The ER states OneBode was not profitable for AG (big surprise) so AG "sold" OneBode for $3.5m to Healthy Home. From the look of it, Healthy Home is allegedly paying AG $10k a month and by January 2016 will either pay the balance on $3.5m to fully acquire OneBode otherwise ownership will return to AG.
Yet another completely misrepresented "deal" announced by Shearin. See below for notes from AG's Feb 2015 quarterly found one he OTC Markets website.
ONEBODE COMPANIES
On June 17, 2013 American Green Inc., formerly known as Tranzbyte Corporation, entered into a Binding Letter of Agreement to acquire all of the membership interests in OneBode Ventures LLC for $500,000 and OneBode Holdings LLC for $2,000,000.
During the fiscal year ended June 30, 2014, the Company determined that its managers were not able to build and maintain the sales infrastructure necessary to profitably operate the OneBode companies based solely upon their product sales, alone.
On July 7, 2014 the Company announced that it sold OneBode Holdings LLC and OneBode Ventures LLC for $3,500,000 to the Healthy Home Company. The Agreement provides for Healthy Home to pay a minimum of $10,000 a month until the remaining balance of the sale price is due during July 2016. Healthy Home has the option to return the rights to the OneBode products at any time until July 2016 and will pay an additional $500,000 for the rights in the event it meets certain sale benchmarks until July 2016.
American Green Inc. completed the acquisition of the OneBode companies during September 2014. At December 31, 2014, the receivable from Healthy Home was $3,475,000 and the remaining assumed acquisition debt to be paid was about $763,000. Deferred costs and revenue accounts are equal to the remaining receivable balance from Healthy Home. All costs in excess of the receivable amount have been expensed
Shearin is Just Living the American Dream
He's barely covering his cheese from the wind. The new macro-world business plans are not to innovate but to emulate and hopefully make enough money doing so that you can pay for any legal consequence.
I'm surprised ED*C even partnered with Amercan Green. If I was the other company I would have just continued developing their machines and challenge AG's patent ownership. There is no legal backup of AG's claims to the Tomassi patents, ONLY PRs from AG which are about as binding as KY Jelly.
ZazzzNetwork Collecting Cyberspace Dust for AG
The Zazzz Mach 2 was designed to collect dust on Earth while the ZazzzNetwork is setup to collect dust in cyberspace. Once enough dust reserves are collected between Earth and cyberspace, all the Zazzz machines activated since January with blast off into outer space, spinning so fast they will turn the dust into Planet Zazzz.
I feel a PR coming about this real soon. Possibly a live streaming event or radio broadcast.
The only thing that could stop these plans are the diabolical MMs who should not be confused with those adorable hard-shelled chocolate candies. The MMs are evil mind manipulatiors who control all the dust between Earth and cyberspace.....
4x? Try 10x, Almost 20x
420Investor first recommended VAPE around 8pps!!!!
Then again at 6pps!!!
And again at 4pps!!!
Terrible. Is that guy still in business?
PL, I Do Nothing with ERBB
Like many here, I'm venting my frustration for the abysmal performance of American Green as a company and an equity. The share price is a direct reflection of the horrific execution of business objectives. I really thought AG might be more than just a penny stock, PR hype machine. Not long ago Stephen was communicative, responsive and cordial but recently he is ducking any serious discussion about AG's operations which makes my fraud sensors go off. It seems as if he knows the end is near but he is playing the ostrich defense of burrying his head in the dirt. The failed $3.5m OneBode sales the failed $1.7/1.17 Jurassic Water sale, the failed partnerships, the failed Zazzz Mach 1, the failed Zazzz Mach 2, the failed 1000 machines in a year........this man has left nothing but garbage in his wake yet some champion him as if he is Lord of the Rings.
I have a large ERBB position that was paid for and then some during the 2014 MJ market bubble. Since my last sale around .06, I have built a small swing trade that has gone to pot since the first buy at .0125 down to .008
I'm just waitng for a technical bounce to dump that asap.
Let's not pretend I'm one of the more "active" ERBB board posters. In 6 months I've posted approximately 2 posts per day, same amount as yourself and a wee fraction of others activity.
HF's Zazzz is NOT a Basic Unit
It's the convoluted, flatscreen, oversized dust magnet otherwise know as the Mach 2. The same unit supposedly sitting in several MJ shops NOT operating. As of earlier this week, according to Exhale Med Center the machine delivered on 3/23 (PRed about in February) is "still having problems".
Maybe the Hempful Farm's Mach 2 doesn't require ID but it's still by no means basic.
I'm talking about a unit like Zazzz Mach 1 but with just a payment and selection keypad/interface. No digital flatscreen crap with hires product displays. No driver's license or verified vending crap. Design or adapt a sleek newer vending machine, slap a Zazzz wrap on it and start getting salespeople promoting the brand to dispensaries. Unfortunately even wrapping a Zazzz machine leads to weeks of delays according to American Green last year. Or was it legal clearance? Or software glitches?
And out of the alleged 50,000 ERBB shareholders (of which on 3900 follow on Twitter and 1850 on iHub), I still find it odd there are absolutely zero photos of an actual customer using Zazzz. Independent media of a working Zazzz in the wild is about as easy to find as a unicorn. There has to be shareholders in WA, KY, AZ or CA willing to scope it out and snap a pic. The excuses for the lack of media are nearly as believable as stories of unicorns. I'd go to ExhaleMed myself but not until their Zazzz is up and running.
The Zazzz Mach 2 is a colossal waste of time, money and manpower considering AG couldn't even get the Mach 1 running. The folks at AG put the horse before the cart.
I think the best line I've read on a message board was posted today and it went something like this:
ERBB shareholders are like mushrooms, they're kept in the dark and fed bullsh..
Yes. AG Needs a IDless Zazzz
Yes, there are plenty of basic vending machines out in the world, even ones that sell THC products. Check out the website for Zen Healing in West Hollywood, they have 2 standard machines selling THC product.
Why doesn't AG make a machine that doesn't require ID like the ones at Zen Healing? It seems like a no-brainer. In California, as long as an MMJ patient has proper ID to enter the shop, they can access the vending machines without having to input additional ID.
If AG had an IDless Zazzz they could immediately start making revenues in CA. Instead, they are wasting time, money and energy building an over-complicated machine.
AG Needs an IDless Zazzz Machine Stat
Why are there no basic Zazzz machines that don't require age verification?
In places that only sell non-THC hemp products from Zazzz there should be machines that do NOT require anything other than a form of payment. To the same point, there are shops in CA that have vending machines like the simple soda machine type. Those machines can only be accessed by qualified patients who enter the shop through a security checkpoint in order to buy flower, wax, oil, prerolls and other THC MJ goods from the vending machines without having to provide additional verification.
It seems like a no brainier to have a Zazzz machine that doesn't require ID.
Also, AG should have put money into developing smaller machines instead of that ridiculous, over-complicated flatscreen. I'm surprised the Zazzz machines can fit through doorways.
Zazzz has so much potential but for every step forward there has been ten steps backwards.
Can You?
Nope. Who knows? Maybe it was a trading/investment group signaling another group. Maybe it was a fat finger not entering the extra zeros. Maybe it was a small fry just testing the waters. And yes, maybe it was a MM sending some sort of signal.
There are endless possibilities but I'm not foolish enough to claim with any certainty.
Depends on Who You Ask
Ask a clown and they will tell you it was a MM "signal"
Ask someone with a brain and they will say it may have been part of a large order that was not executed in one trade or maybe it was a small fry salvaging what is left of their money
MJ is NOT Being Rescheduled April 15
That is extremely misleading to suppose Judge Mueller's ruling will immediately result in a rescheduling of MJ.
The judge's ruling will decide if federal MJ prohibition laws are unconstitutional.
Mueller is part of a lower court. Should she decide in favor of MJ, the decision will undoubtedly be appealed. Ideally, the appeals will go all the way up to SCOTUS.
A favorable ruling would unquestionably be good for MJ as a whole, but there is no guarantee it will help the publicly traded MJ market, specifically ERBB.
Your PMs Say Differently
ERBB causes people to act a fool. Hey I would too if I expect the stock to be $1 but it can't even hold a penny.
"ERBB Should Be at $1"
LMAO
Give Them a Call
When I typed that last message, I meant to say no "functional" Zazzz machine but didn't look over the post closely enough to notice the omission. My bad. Either way the Zazzz there does not work. Give EMC a call, Dimitri the owner is a decent guy. One of the budtenders told me the machine is having problems and does not work. She didn't know what sort of problems.
Bottom line the machine isn't operational and right next door is a shop with 2 basic vending machines selling flower, wax, oils, prerolls, candies, THC breath strips........no bs flat screen interface, no swiping any driver's license....just out in cash money, make a selection on the alphanumeric keypad and boom......,you just bought weed from a vending machine.
I cannot believe it has taken AG this long and still nothing!!!
Exhale Med Center UPDATE
Stopped by the other day. The Zazzz machine is there but is giving them problems, as in its not operational. Of course, one could just go around the corner to Zen Healing and get flowers, edibles, concentrates and other THC products from one of their two vending machines.
All Interesting Points
But I am starting to think American Green is nothing but a scam. I hate to say it because I made a lot of money off ERBB and really thought this company had a unique edge in a fascinating new market.
The failures are absolutely astounding. It is so bad that it would appear if Zazzz is just window dressing to make create the illusion AG is doing what they PR about only to avoid SEC interest.
I feel like a PR is on the horizon, and it will probably be another "groundbreaking" Zazzz placement that doesn't come to fruition. I mean how long ago was it that Exhale Med Center was announced yet STILL NO MACHINE. Why even release that sort of garbage PR when you can't back it up?
Those Links are as Successful as Zazzz
Here's an Analogy
Think of American Green as a rusted out 69 Mustang in the front lawn. The car has no wheels and is sitting on 4 cinder blocks. The wire set is fried. The exhaust manifold is rusted out.
And now think of someone complaining that the car isn't running because their is no gas in it. Sure, it takes gasoline to fire the engine but there are about 100 other fixes needed before the car is road worthy.
In that analogy the MMs are the gasoline.
Basically, ERBB has the potential to be a beauty but the MMs and SEC are not what is preventing the stock from soaring. A lack of buying due to a lack of revenue due AG's inept management is the real problem. I'll say it again, if AG hit even 10% of Shearin's claim of 1000 machines by December 2014, then I highly doubt ERBB would be below .01
If 100 machines (10% of Shearin's claim), that would be some revenue!
Instead, there is barely 1 machine in operation with empty promises of 20+ machines that were supposed to be "activated" per a PR from JANUARY!
Fair Enough
We don't need to rehash the MM discussion but I will end with this;
The claims of MM manipulation has become the "excuse" for ERBB's poor performance and it is just not the case. Sure, on any given day there may be some shenanigans but over the past 12 months, the share price erosion is due to American Green's inability to create revenue.
Someone here claimed ERBB would be trading at $1 if not for MM manipulation and that is utterly preposterous.
There are numerous obstacles for the MJ industry;
Legal firewalls
Pharmaceutical companies
Law enforcement
and 80 years of propaganda.
But there is absolutely zero buying pressure right now and that is reflected in the share price
This is Contingent Upon AG Being Successful
Your questions are all relevant but ONLY if AG was fundamentally gangbusters, which we all know couldn't be farther from the truth. You are acting as if there is this massive buying demand for ERBB and buy orders are not being filled because MMs are only filling sell / short orders. Bottom line is nobody is buying ERBB and it has nothing to do with MMs. It is because AG is a complete failure when it comes to executing operational objectives. And this is something that plagues the entire MJ sector. None of these companies are making money, only empty promises.
The MMs are NOT "putting the brakes" because there is almost no interest in MJ stocks.
I've never had a single problem buying or selling ERBB, therefore I'm not ready to call for MM manipulation.
Yes and No - Technical Bounce is Likely
I do think there could be a substantial technical bounce over a penny and I will start buying to play that. The technical indicators are bottomed or very near the bottom.
Your analysis of the April 15 deadline is incorrect. Institutions and big traders book their losses at the start and end of the tax year. There is the adage "sell in May and go away" which sometimes leads to a cyclical pre-summer selloff.
Regardless, ERBB is a pure stinker right now. Fundamentally the company is a complete disaster since PRing in January about "activating" a load of Zazzz machines that are only actively collecting dust instead of revenues. This board has completely misconstrued the upcoming ruling from Judge Mueller as if her decision will immediately take effect and reclassify MJ the same day. Folks, the ruling could have major historical implications but it will not be realized for quite some time so if you are buying under the guises that ERBB will blow up pending the ruling, you will be sorely disappointed.
For a long time I defended AG management but at this point the delays, the nonsense....it's just inexcusable.
Pump the Brakes
First of all Mueller's ruling WILL NOT remove MJ from the Schedule I status. That is a gross misinterpretation and distortion of the case. Her ruling only decides whether a lower court judge finds medical MJ prohibition to be unconstitutional.
Second, IF Mueller rules in favor of MJ, it will absolutely and unquestionably be appealed. There is too much money and decades of propaganda commuted to keeping MJ illegal. Ideally, the ruling will be appealed all the way up to SCOTUS which will give it federal jurisdiction.
Let's not pretend like this ruling is going to break open the floodgates to MJ legalization on a federal scale. If you are expecting that you will likely be disappointed. Legal action takes time especially on the federal level. To suggest that somehow this ruling will remove MJ from Schedule I, effective immediately, is just downright incorrect.
Now this is not to downplay the significance of Mueller's ruling. For the MJ legalization movement, Mueller's decision could set an important precedent that will be a stepping stone towards the end goal.
NWSun It was an MJ Market Bubble
Think 2000. Any company with a dotcom name was given absurd valuations. Pet food sites were valued higher than the revenues of the entire industry. Look up that Shark Tank guy Kevin O'Leary's multi-billion dollar sale of his digital kids site to Mattel only to have it become on of the worst business deals in history. Or how Mark Cuban made billions selling HDNet and then added to his fortune by shorting the company that bought his business because Cuban knew what a sham HDNet was. These are not conspiracies but reality.
That's what happened to the MJ market in 2014. The market became a frenzy fueled by potential, investment money and greedy groups preying on retail players. ERBB and many others were caught up in a frenzy.
Just like the Internet bubble, the MJ bubble helped weed out the frauds. The SEC did its first round of sweeps keeping the market in check. Eventually some winners might last long enough to share in the inevitably enormous MJ market but most will fall.
The MJ market will undoubtedly be enormous. The medical and recreational potential is vast but the possibilities for the industrial applicational of hemp could be a billion dollar empire. I sincerely hope ERBB can pull it off but each day I have less and less confidence this company has what it takes, particularly on the management side.
DOJIs Everywhere, Value Still Nowhere
Technically speaking ERBB may experience a bounce. The DOJIs signal that ERBB selling pressure may be easing and there is a possibility of a double bottom since today and yesterday's lows did not close under the lows in early March.
Unfortunately the fundamental picture of American Green is as indecisive as the DOjI candlesticks. Recent news of a collaboration between an AG competitor did not go over well. Personally I'm on the fence with the partnership. Neither company has been successful at generating revenue. The other company would benefit greatly by avoiding legal conflict from AG's patents. Maybe AG gets access to their software and other resources can be pooled but like I said, both companies do not currently generate money with their MJ vending machines.
And STILL to date, there is absolutely no independent media of a Zazzz purchase, much less a recording of a THC product sale from Zazzz. We've heard plenty of silly excuses why there hasn't been any shareholder video of a Zazzz purchase especially that MJ patients would want to be identified but that's hogwash. As a shareholder, as a MJ patient, I'd be happy to shoot a clip of myself purchasing flower from a machine, especially for AG/ERBB.
There is no excuse for these delays with Zazzz. Launch issues, software issues, legal issues....the claim if 1000 machines by Jan 2014 is a laughable tale by now and 12 months since the Zazzz launch yet only 1 machine is loosely "confirmed" to be in use at Hempful Farms. Herbal Elements, Doctor's Orders, Seattle Caregivers and Hempful Farms are the only known deliveries of Zazzz but look how that has turned out. Herbal Elements Zazzz didn't sell a damn thing and now they shop is allegedly "allowing" AG to place the new Zazzz machines first before taking delivery of their machine. If Zazzz was even remotely successful, HE would be making sure they were first in line to get the machine because they wouldn't want to miss out on the revenue. Doctor's Orders' Zazzz machine was never operational and the is currently not listed in the pathetic Zazzznetwork website. Seattle Caregiver's seemed like it would bring life into the Zazzz zombie but is yet another failure after a ridiculous live turdcast at the shop, followed by supposed legal or software issues (same bs delays that plagued HE).
So zero for four on Zazzz. That leaves the other cultivation divisions which are equally as laughable. A botched $1.17 or $1.7m deal for Jurassic Water Systems was a real slap in the face. OGTea is supposedly a real winner on the revenue side but seriously folks, it will take decades to scale that business and as someone who once grew over 50 plants on a 3 month cycle, I would probably not use the product. Truth Lighting also will not be able to keep up with the developing LED market unless it scales immediately becuase by the time real revenues can be generated, more established electronic manufacturers will be entering the game.
I really believe AG is trying to establish a credible, legitimate business but the Zazzz delays, the unfulfilled PRs and an inability to generate revenues are destroying the stock. American Green is a complete joke right now. Even if ERBB experiences a bounce and makes the stock a technical buy in the short term, the long term picture for ERBB continues to be bleak.
SS Also Predicted 1000 Machines by December 2014
There are some here who predict ERBB will be 1pps
I predict the world will end because of a catastrophic natural event.
I wonder which prediction comes true and in what time frame.