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That's a contradiction in terms
You can "attract" talent by offering bonus and/or stock options or RSU. But you do the typical "can't vest for x amount of years"
Bonus is approved based upon performance. You don't sell, or get new customers, you don't get a bonus. It's that simple
You sell a ton, you get rewarded. Some companies do big bonus AND additional stocks.
Current management doesn't appear to be doing this, nor following this formula.
I don't think we are strict enough on them. You often hear "you won't eat this. Well, when you are starving, you will"
That being said, no bonus or money because you're not selling. Well, I'm sure you will pick it up so you can get paid. If not, you will "starve".
Sounds bad and strict, yes. But these are investors monies they are playing with. I'm not interested in rewarding people for coming in last place. You failed? No worries, here's 1 million shares that you can sell ASAP, and also, here is a 5% raise and additional bonus. Maybe next time? Go get'em sport!
Yeah, not gonna happen.
IMO, I think we should be able to TAKE their shares and whatever else if they keep screwing things up.
No revenues? You're not selling? PPS keeps going down?
Sorry, gotta take those shares back from you.
That bonus? yeah, not gonna happen. Should be happy that we are still paying your salary. In fact, how about taking a pay cut to ensure the company has funding
If you believe in this so much, then you wouldn't mind doing that. If you know this will be huge in the future, then its a sacrifice others will make
Who was it that was supposed to get a huge 25 million dollar bonus and turned it down? I think it was Cook, right?
Yah, take that lead and do that. Lots of CEOs have $1 a year salaries. Granted, those are huge million/billion dollar companies. But, put your money where your mouth is. You will be worth hundreds of millions if you get sales and PPS going up
Time to suck it up and see how much you can sell knowing that YOUR OWN MONEY IS ON THE LINE
just my 2 cents
nothing but love and luck to you all. I missed out this morning on buying. Still got my other positions locked up and wanted to jump on this. Oh well.
I may have missed the train, but I'm happy to see it's finally going back in the right direction
keep going PCX. Maybe I'll be able to catch it another time
Well, what you want to do is put in the typical "you can vest 25% of the shares after 1 year" and you won't be "fully vested" until 5 years.
Therefore locking up those new awarded shares (at least 25% of them) for at least 1 year. Granted they are able to do 25% every year after, and fully vested after 5 years. But, by then, it won't be diluted, stock will be up, revenues, profits, etc.
This also fits into the same time frame as Visser where he is also locked in for almost 5 years
not sure if anyone posted this, didn't see it on any other posts
what I like about this is, it says it's not on the back, but used in the glass. Very interesting. As long as it gets mentioned
http://www.mobile-apps-news.com/guest-post-how-liquid-metal-gorilla-glass-2-may-be-in-the-next-iphone?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=guest-post-how-liquid-metal-gorilla-glass-2-may-be-in-the-next-iphone
I just like it to be associated to become more known and hence, more future business and exposure
thanks, excellent point. Will take note of it then and not waste my time anymore
not insider trading if he was told something that everyone already knew, which is they shipped out 4 prototypes to companies
You can easily put together a lovely power point demonstration with "projections" IF those companies accepted the prototypes
In addition, because he would be buying into the company, he would be part of the company, and therefore not insider trading (as he's not trading, but being the company itself).
In any case, they most likely said in their power point presentation, that these are "estimates" and made it clear without his help and business, they wouldn't be able to deliver on those orders.
The man knows how to read between the lines. They don't have to tell him what the companies names are, exact numbers, etc. He knows what the end result is, especially after building up his business to what it is today
violating NDAs and giving out "secrets", as well as telling him what the earnings are going to be in advance, is insider trading
This is true. But something just made him jump "ALL IN".
that has me relaxed on this, regardless of the stock price that it is at. We aren't expecting this to be at $1 right now.
With his "all in", we KNOW it will get to $1...and then $2...and so on.
No World Series/Super Bowl over night, but we are on the right path.
Question is to those who are holding, can you keep waiting? I would think that's an easy "yes"
I can't tell you how many times I wanted to jump out. when it jumped to the .40s, or last week when it jumped to the .37 range. I'm in at a good solid .29. I could have made a few bucks easy. But why am I not selling?
Well, we all know why. Quick bucks are good, but long term investments win in the long run. I'm not in any hurry for a huge pay day. When it happens, I can look back and say "I got in at .29 and now look where its at!!"
EXACTLY. That's what I'm thinking. Granted, we haven't gotten rid of the "Owner" or "General Manager", but what we do have now is a new "Manager" of the team, and the rebuilding now begins.
In terms of sports, we all know that can take at LEAST a year for improvements, and you are looking for a "championship" team in 3 to 4 years.
I do believe this is the case
well, I WAS going to jump in and invest on this, but it doesn't look good for outcome
its good to hear and see people are still buying, but price is still falling
I was under the impression they were not going BK, but was going to get financing.
I'm guess that is not the case? Or is that what is going on, people haven't heard that it's a done deal with financing so they are freaking out and bailing?
I know coal is beaten up by Obama administration, but thought we were doing plenty of exporting of the coal to other countries, like China. Also, if Obama is booted out of office and a Republican is put in, won't they ease the coal problems and get that back running?
Still doing my own research and DD, but wanted to check in with you all and see your opinions.
If I don't invest, I wish everyone the best and hope this bursts back up where it's supposed to be
Thanks in advance
Yes, excellent question and concerns. I know that would have me definitely concerned as well.
However, we don't know how big the potential customers are. Could this be HUGE multi-million dollar contracts?
Here is something very interesting. We know that they shipped out the prototypes end of 2011/beginning of 2012. This just so happen to be when they were also trying to get a deal with Visser.
And here is my thinking. These possible prototypes shipped out to 4 places. LQMT knows that IF they are to be accepted, they need someone to be able to build them out and ship them. Who do they go to? Well, they are going to go to Visser and use his business and spaces to do these orders
That's the big key that has me smiling. They know that IF they get these contracts, they may be HUGE and they can't wait and waste time on finding a place to do these orders AFTER they are signed. So they get Visser in the works, show what they will need to have created and made, amount of them to be done, etc.
Visser then knows that this is ground breaking contracts that will push it forward for even more in the future. To him, this is NOT a risk, but calculated investment.
LQMT doesn't want Visser to come in and make a quick buck and want HIM and HIS business to keep making all of this. Perhaps these contracts that may be signed are for 4 to 5 years, hence why they lock up Visser and his company and machines. This will ensure that they will keep making whatever it is for those 4 to 5 years (and possibly more)
So in summary. Visser knew of the prototypes. Saw projected numbers and what will be needed IF the companies decided to buy the prototypes and have them produced. LQMT then needs Visser to have his company make/produce, ship out for x amount of years. Visser then decides to invest to keep this company afloat and sees that this is just the start for major contracts
I'm also assuming none of these deals are with Apple (duh), nor govt (Navy). Even with a large investor like Visser, they may not be able to tell him anything (or maybe they can now that he is already invested)
So very interesting to see what is coming down the pipeline.
Just remember, we are pretty much at the bottom right now (or close to it). Bottom appeared to be .11 or .12.
Yes, dilution may send it down from what it is. However, that is a few weeks away and this could be up a little bit more. This "could" be in the .40s by the time they vote and approve the dilution. It "may" drop down back to the .30s or .20s
However, what we don't know is what announcements (if any) that may be done between now and then.
They "may" come with a PR saying that the prototypes have been tested and 3 out of the 4 companies are going forward with purchases. The purchases may be for "x" amount of money per year for "y" amount of years.
Visser may know that these are in the pipeline and sees the future of the company as a whole. He knows that will be just the starting point of everything and will build on that.
This is part of the problem. We are left in the dark, waiting for news (any kind of news). Due to NDAs, and deals still in the works, they can't tell us. They can't even tell us of "possible" customers. They have to pretty much wait until it's a signed and done deal before sharing it with us.
Its all up to you on whether or not you want to wait a few years for big returns. If you want to do day trading, or watch stocks that will do some more "moving" and "jumping", you can try Dell, Zynga, or Facebook. I heard they are doing plenty of "moving" and "jumping"
I put in a sell order for $1.25 for liquid metal. I wonder if it will go through.
On a better note, volume is low. Hopefully this means those pesky damn day traders are gone. I know they are a few in there waiting to dump (like they did this morning).
It appears people are still waiting on WWDC. It almost appears they may not show the new iphone, which is fine. I'm waiting on Visser to say something to help
Also, I know that Visser is saved from the dilution, however, he may still vote AGAINST doing it. IF he is for it, there must be a reason. No way he wants the price to drop, even if he's saved. Doesn't make any business sense
There is obviously a reason for it. We say its to pay off debt, or funding for something else. But, and correct me if I'm wrong, isn't LQMT out of debt with the HELP from Visser? Thought he paid all the bills to keep the lights on, and also has a more money to ensure that they are in biz for rest of 2012.
So that being said, like the great mysteries of life, WHY would they still want to dilute with 100 mil more shares. And the next best question is, what is Visser voting his shares on? (the ones he HAD before May 1st, as we all know the ones he got now don't count as he didn't have them before May 1st).
It's not much voting power, but his 7 mill shares to vote is still good chunk of change. If everyone adds to his to go against it, it shouldn't pass. But then again, board of directors and management still hold the most and could still have it passed. We are all leaning towards it
Then another thing that comes to mind. IF Visser does NOT want the extra 100 mill shares of dilution, AND he knew this in advance, AND management is still going to pass it through, then I wonder if that will piss him off, or is he just going to roll with it? I think since he knew it in advance, he is probably FOR the dilution. This could also be why that was written into his contract that he is saved from it.
I guess I can add this to the list of questions for the ASHM, but doubt anyone would answer them. They could be answered before the meeting, but who knows.
What really needs to be done is more PR. Not to boost the stock price (that would be nice), but to keep us in the loop and reassure us that everything is still going right on track.
THROW US A BONE OR SOMETHING, ANYTHING!
that's my story, and I'm sticking to it
haha, that's thinking positive my friend!
we know it won't happen, but nothing wrong with trying to add a little spice to LQMT.
ahhh, yah you're right. Good call. I totally missed that.
Carry on then
thanks!
Haven't seen this posted yet. You only get a quick glance at what the back will look like. Any thoughts? Can't fully tell if it's liquid metal, or something else
This looks to be recent as of yesterday
http://stuffmideast.com/2012/06/11/130416/is-this-the-new-iphone-5-now-on-video/
Apple stuff should be kicking off shortly. Expect huge announcement for iphone 5 with liquid metal used in several areas, more than previously thought
I think they were waiting to announce this later in the week, but they may be pushing it up today, or not tomorrow the latest
I expect them to have a briefcase chained to his arm, with the new iphone 5 in it. He'll have to have people help him open up the briefcase, and then we'll get to see a sweet, new designed, sleek iphone 5 with liquid metal back cover and new type of glass
He will test it in front of everyone by dropping it a few times, and show no scratches and problems
This will bounce like the price way up
lets rock it
yeah, that's what I'm thinking. However, I don't know WHY you would do that considering that the Apple event lasts all the way until Friday. Plenty of time for any announcement
As we keep saying, don't count on it. If so, then icing on the cake
ouch! That is horrible. i really hate that guy.
I wonder when Jon Stewart is going to have him on his show again so he can give him his dues. The last few times was awesome
I still like this for long run, so I may be jumping in soon anyways. I was wondering why this had dropped so much, and now we all know why
good news is, I'm sure you all know this is gonna bounce back up anyways. I just want to get in on this and enjoy the ride with you all
Once I'm in for sure, I'll be on this board more often
nothing but love and luck to all for PCX
ouch! What's going on over here? I've been watching this for awhile and looking to buy, but I'm all vested elsewhere. I was about to move over to this and I see it keeps going down.
I do like the adjustment of 10 down to $6, so that is very optimistic. Even at $4 is pretty decent. I thought when I was able to invest here it was going to be back in the $3 range
any reason why its going lower? This appears to be a solid investment. I thought all the financing was worked out and it appears a nice shake up in management was done to get this baby rolling.
Should I not even waste my time investing?
If no rumors of the BK was even done, it would still be in the $3 range, so that was a pain. I almost jumped in a few weeks ago at $3.30 range and I thought that was a steal.
any and all feed back is greatly appreciated
to redfisher. I can't respond to PMs.
I understand what you're saying, but I wasn't pointing out to anyone specifically. I was, however, stating a fact that people are freaking out and therefore, "are what they are". I thought I used a word that was not in poor taste, nor a "naughty word".
But I also don't want this a big bashing board like yahoo either, so point is taken.
I'll be sure to keep it clean and "above the belt".
thanks
it appears someone freaked out and sold almost 150k shares and dumped it to what it is now, how awesome. At least it shows about 150k of shares was sold that helped bring it down
week is not over yet, and you would think if anyone was reading these boards, we kept saying the same things over and over
#1. don't bet on apple announcing they are using lqmt technologies
#2. especially don't count on it used in mac book pros, etc
#3. this WWDC is going on ALL week, it's only Monday people
#4. don't base the stock on this hype anyways, this is a good long term hold and buy. with Visser on the job, we'll be back to revenues and profits soon
I need to listen to my own advice, and stop looking at the market
week is still young, at least we got rid of whomever had all those shares and we can build it back up.
rock on
yup, my point exactly. we got plenty of time for so many things.
For all we know, LQMT is used in some, or all, or none. They (apple) may not feel the need to even mention it being used or high light it at all. They may say "oh yeah, it has liquid metal in it, but it's just the sim injector card, but that's already in our devices". Or it could be used in something else and it's not a priority to tell others that it's used
who knows. But, like you said, we got several days. People flipping out because it's not announced ASAP is stupid.
People shouldn't be betting on it in the first place. I know I'm not. If so, icing on the cake.
As far as I know, I believe this goes until at least Thursday.
That being said, if anything was to be announced, it would be today or tomorrow (if anything at all) that relates to LQMT.
yup, I don't either, it's stupid to be honest, but whatever.
Even though I'm in this for the real long run, I just find it more annoying than anything. I don't typically watch it much because I'm not looking to sell, but I do like to see how it's going here and there. Seeing it up .33 this morning was more like how it should be, and then watch how EASY it goes down is insane
oh well. not much you can do.
Nice, volume has finally picked up, but it appears a big sell off to bring it back down again. good lord, really?
The apples stuff JUST kicked off, to those who are panic and selling off, just stop
Plus, you SHOULDN'T be banking on the apple announcements anyways. I highly doubt they will bust out right at the opening and say "liquid metal! liquid metal! hey everyone, liquid metal!"
one way or another, investor or employee, he wants to make a lot of money and make sure the company he owns, or fully vested in, is successful.
It's nothing personal, only business. This man knows how to do business. With his business, and warehouses at his disposal, and machines to do what he wants, he knows he can make it successful. He knows he will be able to design, produce, and provide parts or whatever is needed for business to strive and be profitable.
Unfortunately, we may have to wait a year or so for the "profit" piece. But, as we all know, he is locked in for 4 to 5 years. This means he's not rushing to make things happen over night. He knows it will take a couple of years to break it out. And this is how he succeeds. Patience, tactics, and good business mind.
I have no doubt that by the end of this year, if things don't go his way, he will find a way to clean house and either take over, or make sure this thing won't fail. He won't allow that to happen.
future looks good, just have to keep on waiting (like so many of you have been doing)
any time Watts.
If you hear anything back from the board, let me know and I can also add the answers to my list. In case others ask in the future, we can have it handy.
Otherwise I'll keep the list of everything so I can send it out before the ASHM
I also agree, nothing but icing in the cake
IF there is going to be any LQMT announcement, I highly doubt it would be today anyways
Today and next couple of days is last chance for investors to get in before this jumps with any news.
If not, we all know what we need anyways. Visser is the man to get it and we are all in the same boat
roger that. I'm going to add it to the list. Some of this "may" or "may not" get answered before ASHM. If not, I'll have the list put together and send it out a few days before for more "tweaking" and rough drafts
Hmm, very interesting then. I say this, because Visser only has 7 million on record and all the others are AFTER May 1st, so those won't count
He has to have known about this in advance while finishing the deal that they just closed on. So that being said, I wonder if he voiced any concern on adding the 100 mil shares
Better question is, since he signed the deal and didn't leave it after knowing they wanted to do the additional 100 mil, he definitely stayed. Does that mean he is for it? And if so, then why?
Lots of tough questions there. Granted the deal was already inked months ago, but I'm sure he could have left it at any time. He never left the deal and kept it with fully knowing that management wants the 100 mil shares.
Wish we could get his take on this and what he wants, and of course, why
Right. And they are saying all these shares are before May 1st. So not only does he have shares he bought on his own, but also the agreement.
Of the 50+ million shares he has, or 10%+ of the company, how is HE voting those shares.
Would be interesting to see how he is voting, and IF he is going to vote for the dilution, then WHY. Of all people, he must have a good reason and we know it's not due to greedy management that already work at LQMT
Yah, I see what you're saying. But my thing is, what IF, and this is a huge what IF, is that they ARE banking on the announcement by Apple for not only the iphone5 to use lqmt, but additional devices, including new ones they are debuting.
Then that shoots the stock up and blow up happens.
Then they are looking to add those additional shares a month AFTER this happens. Doesn't the timing on the vote seem to be a month apart? The WWDC is happening this week, the ASHM to go over the dilution is towards the end of June. IF its approved, wouldn't the extra 100mil shares not be available until sometime in July, or August? Or is it going to be available sooner?
Lets say its approved and will be in full force in July the earliest. The stock has been blowing up for all of June, then they make an extra 100 mil shares available in July for more to buy
Or am I thinking way off base on this?
Like i said, it's just a theory/hypothesis as to why they
#1. have the guts to issue this large amount of extra shares
#2. seem confident that it will pass
If its voted down, then so be it. But it's almost as though they are confident that they know it will pass. Whether that's due to the apple thing, or they really control way more than all of us put together. Does Visser get to vote on it as well?
If he does, then you have to wonder WHY he would approve it (if he does). What's his reason for approving? I'm sure he has a good reason more than current management.
stupid hypothesis, could the reason to add the extra 100 million shares is related to a possible Apple association? What I mean is, if they are expecting the stock to blow up, and they want MORE people to buy and invest because they may run OUT of stocks, so they want to make sure they have enough to get even more investors to buy in, to increase the company value even more?
could be a huge buying frenzy and major investment firms are buying up huge chunks. Adding more shares means they have more available for others to buy
like I said, stupid hypothesis. Just trying to think outside the box, and find the logic for adding so many more shares
Fully agreed. As other stated, he wants to be a BILLIONAIRE and leave a ton of money for his family, and a legacy. I think this is his shot as IF he owns 50+ million shares, AND at $1 a share, that's 50 million in the bank
His ultimate goal in 5 years, simple. Get back to NASDAQ and get it back to the $20+ per share. He has plenty of money, patience and time to wait 5 years before using those shares. 50+ million shares x $20 = 1 billion. I bet this man still won't be happy with just that and wants it to be way more in 5 years.
So, future is looking bright, just gonna have to sit tight and watch him make waves, smack down management, do some house cleaning, and get this ball rolling.
It sure did. Anyone want to take another hit and push it to .31 or higher? haha
hats off to you, taking it for the team.
likely reasons:
#1. It's Friday and no one is looking to sell
#2. Everyone is waiting for next week
#3. People are actually buying, but not enough to move it up more where it should be
I was figuring it was going to end at .34 to .35 today, but guess people had a huge sell off last couple of days and dumped it down to where it is
I believe with #2, people are holding for the WWDC next week. People should be holding anyways, but it also appears people are trying to get in this cheap and just before the WWDC. My problem is, people need to quit selling at so low and if you're gonna sell, hold off selling until its in the mid .30s. But hell, what do I know. doesn't matter to me anyways as I'm not looking to sell anytime soon
Also bought a good amount. Just sit back and relax and enjoy the show. Can't watch it every day, every minute. It will get annoying after awhile
Yes, thanks to all that shared the info. They got lucky with a very good low price, pretty much doubled their money and then some. Wonder if they held when it spiked to the .60s. Are they still holding? Sorry, I'm not sure if anyone answered that
In any case, if they are still holding, then that's definitely a good sign. Wonder if they knew about possible Visser deal as that is around the same time frame that they were in negotiations? Or just a coincidence?
Like many have said, Visser is a bull and he is going to lead this to the promise land. Not going to throw his money on a long shot
I also do like the sound of a LQMT sponsored car. Wait, could it be possible to use LQMT IN A NASCAR vehicle? Would that make it lighter, stronger, and more aerodynamic? Guess question would be, is it even legal to use without NASCAR approval?
hmm, all interesting
wow, very interesting. Looks like they got in on a good low price too.
I was shocked, like you said, that a big bank like them would buy into a penny stock. Unless they believe it won't be a penny stock within a year or so. Who knows, but interesting indeed.
good call on that one. wonder if they are still holding