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harley53, I believe that is the sad reality and result all the character attacks on the CEO has lead too. If he had posted those holiday wishes to all shareholders you know there would have been many posters using such well wishes as a basis for negative remarks. Tough to be in a position when good intentions continously get spun into some of the stuff posted on this board, and usually just best to remain silent, and keep it on a busisness level.
Here's a link posted by ant on 2009 populations
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=57128309&txt2find=population
The state of New York has approx 20 million I believe, so considering Canada only has approx 30 million that put the product in a much greater congested area in New York. All good for advertising purposes....
Where would that word have come from? If not a verifiable source it's not worth the time it took to write it, and may do more harm than good.
The last known numbers we have are from Oct. 25, 2010 and the O/S was close to 6.43 billion shares at that time. Since then we have traded over 2.2 billion shares, and with all the 9.99 million share blocks that have been sold over the last month, one could assume the O/S is substantially higher now. For the purpose of keeping this questions fact based (last reported O/S) I will use the numbers from Oct. 25 2010.
I am wondering what you see with this company that will likely make the share price achieve your goal?
6.43 billion x .0033= approx 21.2 million dollar market cap.
6.43 billion x .01= approx 64.3 million dollar market cap.
What do you see coming to fruition to substantiate even a 21.2 million dollar market cap, let alone a 64.3 million dollar cap?
Just curious
There is a considerable difference in your choice of related discussion topics based on based on the current company standings.
Discussion of Lowes expansion should be a topic of speculative discussion since we are in a "TEST PHASE" of the retailer, and there is a possibility of future expansion in this retailer in the near future. This topic is certainly a possibility.
Discussion of WNBD share price going to .10 is not completely out of the relm of possibility, but with the current revenues being generated not very likely in the near term.
You may discuss anything you want related to WNBD, be it possible, hopefull, or pie in the sky, but IMO the smater investors/traders really shouldn't have to wade through the less theoretical BS to see near term possibilities.
Maybe I should have explained this a little better, so you would understand why I stated not out of the relm of possibility (which equates to "out of the relm of probability") While I'm at it I will answer another of your questions to help explain.
Discussion of WNBD share price going to .10 is not completely out of the relm of possibility
Then can you explain to me how it was possible for WNBD to reach .05 pps? Their sales back then were lower than than they are now...not understanding if sales are more now, we show see higher than .05 now right?
I believe this part is lol.
Production and thus income is our main goal for the year.
All JRB keeps doing is offering candy to the kids to lure them in with these website updates as he dumps hundreds of millions of shares on their heads. Totally unbelievable how they keep falling for the same ole BS time and time again.
What's the easiest fact to see with WNBD stock can be seen on this board thanks to historical post viewing abilities. It is a fact that some of the people that have been following this company for the past five years have attempted to use this board to create selling pressure based on twisted facts and opinions posted as facts. There is nothing wrong with flipping any stock, but new investors/traders need to use the posting history feature to read old post from members in order to seperate the real facts from the BS opinions stated as facts. This applies to both sides of the trade as well.
Actually according to the IDS filed with pinksheets the closing was to take place on Jan. 1, 2006, so anything before year ending 2006 is misinformation in regards to WNBD, and the post should be modified or deleted from the board.
So the statement part of the post about the CEO being incompetent, that is immediatly followed by a question in regards to Mr. Hicks' addition to WNBD, was basically nothing more than a cheap shot given you have no information on the possible impact Mr. Hicks could bring to Winning Brands. I generally wait until I see evidence, performance, or lack there of, before I pass judgement on others who are privy to information that I don't have.
Again, a perfect example of a CEO's incompetence! What does he think Mr. Hicks can do, that Mr. Fantus couldn't?
Everyone be careful tonight as you bring in the New Year, and good luck wishes to all....Happy New Years
There are many different views/opinions that can be garnered from different people reading the same text. Both views at this point are opinions, both views may contain a cretain amount of information that becomes reality in the future, but since more information is needed, both side of the point of view should remain open minded. When I read the latest blog concerning Robert Hicks it raised more questions than the article provided answers too, and even the answers it contained can be construed into different opinions. You see, the deeper you look, the obvious becomes not so obvious. Let's take your post on Robert Hicks for example:
Robert Hicks - Ex-Walgreen's Store Manager?
Again, a perfect example of a CEO's incompetence! What does he think Mr. Hicks can do, that Mr. Fantus couldn't?
While most companies hire geological survey crews, large scale sampling assays from load ore deposits, but no...not us, we have a prospector lol. I picture an old man with a long beard and dirty hat wandering the valleys with a pick and pan in hand lol.
Fact: WNBD is a speculative issue in a speculative market.
Fact: Speculation means:Taking large risks, especially with respect to trying to predict the future. Therefore forward looking
Fact: If you are waiting for facts you have removed the speculation from the market.
Fact: By removing the speculation (future predictions) from WNBD or any other stock you remove the opportunity big rewards.
Fact: If you wait on facts, you will buy the highs, and that's a fact.
It's a pretty simple connection there ant..."there are ties that bind"
WNBD has relationship with Lowes (US and Canada)
WNBD has relationship with Woolworth (Australia)
Lowes and Woolworth have relationship (Australia)
Things may or may not further develope for WNBD within the new co-joined relationship between Lowes and Woolworth in Australia, but this type of DD is what successful speculators look for in the early stages. "The Ties That Bind"
FFF, why do people continue to have such a disconnect between between speculative growth investors, and typical penny stock flippers? At this point in time your anology about WNBD is correct, but that is looking in the present or the past. The word speculation is based on future projection, thus the term speculative investment. When/if the WNBD begins to mature financially (through revenue growth) which is accomplised by selling the pretty little bottles of Winning Colours, they will begin to attract a different type of investor as opposed to the current penny flippers. Those investors are considered growth speculators, and will base their investment decisions on current or potential financial profitability of a WNBD. Therefore, the amount of pretty little bottles of Winning Colours being sold is of utmost importance to attract the type of investor with an attention span longer than a minute/hour/day/week/month.
Good for you
That kinda makes sense to me, but others don't see it that way lol.
To be blunt, if you see no petential or no future with the company or management, why hang around. I can assure you if I get to that point I will sell and move on to greener pastures.
I hope Mr. Nobody can ignite a new flame in WNBD, cause the pride filled CEO is losing a hell of a lot of my confidence leading into the New Year...
Dennis, FFF, and Wrinkles said it best earlier...and I agree with all those posts...If we have not heard a LOWES update yet...it's probably not happening...
Dec
30
New Personnel Arrangementsby Eric Lehner
.Steve Fantus has been associated with Winning Brands during 2010 as a Key Account Manager. His primary responsibility in this role was to present Winning Colours Stain Remover to new account prospects and maintain dialogue with the buyers of targeted retailers. Steve was performing this function on a part-time, performance based compensation model. A traditional, full-time position opportunity has emerged for Steve with a non-competitive consumer product company, completely unrelated to cleaning. He has our blessing to accept this position as a solid career move. We have thus been cooperating to ensure the orderly transfer of his prospecting activity to our team, with a new member to take over some of Steve’s former responsibilities.
We would like to introduce Robert Hicks, of Houston, Texas. While Steve’s background was with manufacturers, Robert’s focus has been with retailing, including Walgreens, where he has gained a number of years in store management experience. Robert’s University education is in marketing, with a minor in Spanish. He is particularly well suited to the management of relationships with accounts with chain store operations, and in-store promotional activity. With initial Winning Colours Stain Remover deliveries to Walgreens’ Duane Reade pharmacies scheduled for sometime in January 2011, and other retailer relationships likely to move into more extensive collaboration during the year, Winning Brands is ensuring that it has the internal core competency to support operations from a retailer’s point of view.
Robert’s role with Winning Brands will be discussed with shareholders further as his activities are operationalized.
It is therefore with pride that I can say that Winning Brands has a new long term friend in Steve Fantus, and vice versa, and that we all welcome Robert Hicks into the new opening. Change can be a positive thing if it is embraced as an opportunity to become better in all that we do. .
Best wishes Steve from us all, and welcome aboard Robert!
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You must be on the wrong board. Don't see those "too da moon" post here. Generally a pretty level headed bunch of supporters with a confident, grounded, and realistic vision of future potential as the company grows, and the share price lags.
You must have conviently overlooked this part of the post, but as I expected I got a silly answer that dodged the question posed.
These are hypothetical questions, but are being used to prove my point that "sales matter"
Let me end this discussion since we have differing views on many fronts regarding company growth vs stock price, but let me end it with a couple of silly little questions for you since you seem to continue with the skewed logic of "sales don't matter" and the only thing that matters is how many people know about the stock.
These are hypothetical questions, but are being used to prove my point that "sales matter"
1) If WNBD reports 20-50 million in revenues next year with a profit margin of 45-50 percent, will it still be trading at .003?
2) If P&G reported 100 million in losses next quarter, or for that matter even missing sales projections, would they still trade at $65.00 per/share since everyone knows them?
Maybe not considering I only spent one year working in New York City, but I haven't been closed up in a closet the rest of my life either. I don't know all the particulars of each persons characteristics, but I do know there are some deep pocket people there, and they all have stains at one time or another. The expansion into New York is a great opportunity for WNBD/winning colours to gain exposure simply due to populas demographics. It creates an opportunity for effective advertising due to the congested conditions of the major metropolitan areas. All are good signs conditions for growth.
Another important possibility to keep in mind is:
There are many suit wearing, up-tight, money mongering, deep pocket investment banker types roaming the streets of New York everyday. This person may not enter the hardware/paint store locations in that area, in fact they probably have hired help for their housework/home maintanence projects, but their introduction to Winning Colours could come as early as next week since these people aren't immune to sickness. With the current retail locations in New York, and the addition of counter displays to appear in Duane Reads beginning next week, there is a great possibility the exposure of the stock will increase along with the product exposure. I would also imagine many will become aware as WNBD begins targeted advertising in that area.
With the ticker symbol on the bottle, it's possible there will be many New Yorkers in DD mode in the near future.
I'm gonna explain this to ya one more time, although I really don't know why since you haven't gotten it yet.
The WNBD business model clearly spells out what will be required to achieve sustainability, and that is to sale X number of bottles of product per day/week/month in X number of locations.
As you can see there are two parts to that process: retain X number of retail locations, and generate sells of X number of bottles by sell-through.
WNBD has achieved one part of that process by attaining the number of retail locations required to meet the milestone projections of retail locations for self-sustainability. If you go back and read the CEO blog, you will see where they have shifted focus with part of their work force, and have commenced initiatives to accomplish the second part of their goal. They have begun follow-ups with current retailers, shipping sales tools (counter displays, brochures, ect..) as well as in store training, distribution rep training, additional advertising (in store and area advertising) all in order to meet the goals of the second phase of self-sustainability.
While all this is going on they are continually adding additional distribution partners (retail and comerical) they are advancing into trials with US national retailers, in the final phases of GSA approvals, ect... Now I could really care less whether you are a shareholder or not, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how their business model is slowly working to fruition. The questions one has to ask himself/herself is: Will I be enjoying the sweet taste of the fruit as this business plans comes to fruition.
I'm not trying to determine why anyone is selling, but answer this question. Have you ever seen L2 on WNBD with a spread on the ask of almost 100% between 2 MM's (low 3's) and the rest of the pack at or above .0059? I've been here 3 years and never seen a spread like that, so it only leads me to believe somethings up, and someone is trying to hold it down.
You are absolutly correct, and I have never seen L2 set up as crazy as it's been for the last week in the 3 years I've been here. Something is certainly strange!!!!!
This will Turn and there is a reason it stays down for now.
Dec
29
Winning Colours Write-up in Sundry Scene Magazine
by Eric Lehner
.A nice spread is now available on-line and in the printed magazine, put out by Lancaster/Five Star for retailers in the industry. This was planned earlier this year, but the publication had been delayed for a number of reasons. Live link below to see the item in context (go to page 12/13), or the spread itself can be clicked and enlarged.
http://sundryscene.epubxpress.com/wps/portal/sundry/c1/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os3iLkCAPEzcPIwMDTw9jAyM3Pz-vEHdPI_dQM_1wkA6cKgycjSDyBjiAo4G-n0d-bqp-QXZ2mqOjoiIAlXU3Pw!!/dl2/d1/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS9ZQnB3LzZfOFRSSDRGSDIwMElIMzAyRk5OSlRHSTJHMTY
I do find it interesting that pinksheets hasn't placed a stop sign (no information) as opposed to CE since they have been filing some reports in the past.
I'm certainly not making any excuses, only stating facts. It's quite possible, and almost assured that the attorney will have to verify all the information contained within the initial information and disclosure statement before pink sheets will upgrade them to current information. There is a possibility they could be upgraded to limited information pending any additional required disclosure.
Sure it's done all the time, but the filings/financials are generally in proper order when they are uploaded to pink sheets. Thus the reasons for the additional 45 days for the attorney letter to be filed after financial information is submitted to pink sheets, and still remain within the guidlines of the required criteria.
I'm not sure when SNRS retained their current legal counsel, or how familar they are with the past filings of the company. Since there hasn't been an attorney letter filed since SNRS filed their Initial Disclosure Statement in August of 2009, I'm sure there is quite a bit of due dilligence being preformed by legal counsel if they do their job correctly. Also, since SNRS was never even upgraded to limited information status after filing their IDS, it's quite possibly more disclosure information is reguired by pink sheets, along with the attorney letter before the upgrade will be complete.
Not that I think it will happen, but the only way this POS moves is to have new peeps come in lol. Your thoughts seem a little selfish, and without new buyers it goes nowhere.
15 less stores to potentially sell Winning Colours?
The 15 store closures will affect 1,300 workers, many of whom are expected to be offered posts at other locations. The stores to be closed are in Wisconsin, Ohio, New Jersey, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, New York, North Dakota and Vermont.
As a thought.... I think it would be a great idea to bring the racks for all in store demos that don't currently use them, and set the available product in the racks during the demonstration process for consumers to buy. Prior to leaving the location the manager could be asked if he would like the rack to be left behind so they could re-stock it with their next order.
Makes you wonder if Lorne brought some display racks along with sales data from retailes that have been using the racks to pitch the idea to store managers?
Dec
18
What is the value of a good product? It can be more than one thinks.
by Eric Lehner
.We occasionally receive photos from shareholders, taken on their own initiative, showing what they find in the field (where Winning Colours Stain Remover is sold or used). We do not ask anyone to do this, because it may contravene store policies. However, much can be learned from the information, on various levels. Two recently received photos prompt a brief overview for you of our retail pricing.
The first picture shows a hardware store shelf, where Winning Colours has a single facing for the large bottle, but the Winning Colours is missing. That’s because the Winning Colours is sold out. Store personnel told the shareholder this, adding that more product would be arriving on Monday. Notice the shelf price: $12.99 (The MSRP is $9.99)
The second picture shows a general merchandiser’s store shelf, where there is a cluster of Winning Colours small bottles being pulled forward from the back of the shelf as product is removed from the front. Notice the shelf price: $5.97 (The MSRP is $3.99)
It is surprising how often we have heard about Winning Colours being sold for more than the MSRP. We have no control over this as a legal and practical matter. Over the long term, the market itself regulates prices. Naturally, we feel that there is an important difference in the consumers’ mind between our MSRP and the actual posted sticker price. Our view is that in settings where Winning Colours is sold for more than the MSRP, product velocity suffers. Velocity would likely improve to compensate the store’s forfeited margin with higher profit through volume. When stores try to obtain more for a product than the MSRP, it constitutes an experiment. The extremes of these experiments have been interesting to watch. A few days ago, an independent storefront in California, who just came on board, felt very comfortable selling their first 4-ounce Winning Colours for $10 based on what the product would be doing for the customer. We have also heard of a retailer in the South who was charging – and I am not making this up – $39.99 for the 30.7 ounce bottle, based on what they felt it would do. I have been told from time to time that Winning Colours Stain Remover should be higher priced, while (fewer) others feel that it should be lower because generic cleaners are lower.
Our view is that a generic spray cleaner sitting on the shelf in a supermarket priced at $2.99 for a 25 ounce bottle is not the proper benchmark of what it is worth to consumers to solve problems. Clearly there is a wide range of opinion; it is ultimately highly personal to the consumer. We feel that $9.95 for the 30.7 ounce bottle and $3.99 for the 4 ounce bottle strikes a perfect balance of the various factors. At the MSRP prices, Winning Colours is truly affordable for any household and delivers terrific value (especially because of the dilution factor), while at the same time being high enough in price so that the supply chain that manufactures and brings these products to the consumer through the retail distribution structure can survive and prosper.
In 2011 we will be sharpening our focus on communications with our existing retail partners to learn what their experiences are in this regard, and to share our general findings with them. Improved velocity in existing stores is a highly profitable form of growth and is at the top of our agenda for 2011.
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