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The last trade was at 19:29 for two giant shares at 17.05. All previous shares traded at 17.94.
Who are the fools that are being fooled?
What is your time frame. And I hope soon.
Market down under 2%.CDMO down over 8%. We always seem to fluctuate more than the market either up and down. Curous to see if buy volume exceed sell volume and by how much. If yes, then another big order will have been placed and filled.
Unless they sell the company which I think won't happen until the two expansions are completed and up and running in 2023.
I would think nobody is going to pay for two unfinished projects. There is always a chance that there will be delays, cost overruns, issues upon inspection and so on. We don't get rewarded for being on schedule with the two expansions but we surely get smacked down hard for any little hiccup. That said, I hope we sell ASAP and at a discount³ even before the two expansions are completed if that is what it takes sell the company.
If the big boys buying and holding shares mean only good things are in the works then all one would have to do is buy stocks with a strong backing from the big boys or IIs.
Why would one even bother reasearching companies with improving profits in a good sector when all you would have to do is follow the IIs?
IIs buy all kinds of companies based on value like Buffett, a mix of high risk/high reward, dividend income, high growth, small caps of different kinds, mid caps, large caps, you name it. There are mutual funds for all of the above categories and more. IIs allocate their money across many sectors. It's called diversification. That said I would rather be invested in a company with high institutional investment rather than low but that doesn't mean that things cannot go south.
I just hope they sell soon for whatever the company is worth or even at a reasonable discount plus we are going to recoup our R&D expenses and get maybe more than a few crumbs for Bavi because the longer the wait the greater the chance that something is going to go wrong like maintenance shut downs which we had or worse.
I hope we respond by going up. I wouldn't be surprised if we go down because some institution put a buy order below the current pps and then the MMs drop the price to fill the order. Of course this screws the institutions who did the same thing but at a higher price but that doesn't seem to matter as this keeps happening over and over again.
Are the MMs working on another friendly institution ordet?
It could be that the big boys are just about done loading up. May our ship sail soon.
How do you explain that? That is why I said sell the company for whatever is worth and be done with it. The stock market has gotten so far away from its intended purpose of allowing companies of all sizes to raise capital to fund and expand their operations.
It has now become nothing more than a place where the MMs set the prices as they wish to benefit themselves and the big traders of all sorts at the expense of the companies and their shareholders instead of the pps being determined by supply and demand.
Look it up on linkedin and facebook. She lists one year experience at CSM 2010-2011. She is on her 4th job since then. If she was smart she should have gotten a lot more than what she probably got to destroy our trial. So much that she could have retired.
The name is Jeanette Bleecker.
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Yeah but will they move it up as much as they took it down on the same amount of shares? At this point I would say sell the company for whatever it's worth now or even less and be done with it. It has been a very long ride.
CDMO was up early while the sp500, dow and nasdaq were down. Before theTuesday session CDMO followed the averages. Hopefully, we continue our uptrend even when the market is down.
I was misunderstood. The quote was taken out of context. I said if this was a bull market and the pps was much higher but the company's future net income prospects looked bleak who would pay a premium over the current pps. Nobody would.
Likewise, the company would not accept a premium over a very depressed price when the company's future income prospects look great. The future income prospects should determine the buyout price much more so than the current pps.
The buyout price would be based on projected future net income for years to come. If this was a bull market and the pps was much higher but the company's future net income prospects looked bleak because of increasingly more fierce competion and waning future demand and other problems who would pay a premium for such a company?
Yes but I like to see them pay a higher price and not put an order in at a price lower than the current price and then we sit and watch the MMs drop the price and scoop as many shares as they can and deliver them to the grateful II buyer(s) while we get screwed again. How many times did the pps drop with the buy volume exceeding the sell volume?
Anybody have any idea how many shares are owned by retail. If IIs own about 120% some of which are owned by two or maybe more IIs, we just don't know how many shares, how many shares could be left for retail? Are we somehow being squeezed out instead of the shorts?
If you look at the Twitter buyout you will see that short covering never pushed the pps above the buyout price. Blackrock could be the biggest shorter which allowed them to buy at lower and lower prices. We had many down days when buy volume exceded sell volume. And then all those large trades at the close at the same time were probably Blackrock's.. They could not have done it without the cooperation of the MMs.
It looks like it was all orchestrated and went on for quite a while.
If they own 25 million shares they need another 6 million to approve a cheap buyout. We might be bought out around 10 per share? I believed that with so many IIs owning stock this could not happen as there could never be one of them owning 50% of the outstanding shares.
Did twitter have any shorted shares? Because the stock never traded above the buyout offer of 54.20. Still trading under 54. Did the shorts cover their positions already? All stocks should have a percentage of their shares shorted.
The buyout price needs to be approved by the shareholders. If the majority of th IIs are working in concert with the buyer then yet we will get a price below what the company is worth. Will the company point out all the positives, profitability and easy growth potential or will they work for the buyer instead of the shareholders? I wouldn't discount that the the IIs and BOD will do this. This is wall street, high finance, intricate backroom deals that benefits them at our expense.
Why isn't CDMO moving like HALO maybe our biggest customer? We have a lot more in common with HALO than with the biotech sector. Compare the one month and six months charts of both stocks. Shocking. HALO has also been getting the large trades at the close but nowhere near as much as CDMO. Does any body know if those end of day large trades are mostly buys or sells. It sure looks like the MMs have been working hard for one or more funds and tossing CDMO around like a rag doll in the process of filling their orders. Seems like one or more funds are putting in a large order and the MMs spend the trading day manipulating the pps to give them the best possible price. It's strange that it happens every day.
Today up almost 5% on just a little over 30k in volume. It will probably be taken down and finish lower. I love to be wrong here. You also gotta love all those takedowns during the last hour. They're almost automatic We do go up also during the last hour but nowhere as often as we go down. Also, that ubiquitous large end of day trade. What's up with that?
Somebody is playing games again with the calls. There are 1612 contracts for the april 14, 25 calls. Let's see the pps go above 25 in another eight days. Or probably they will expire worthless like the 1400 call contracts did last month.
Those 1400 25 March 18 calls to expire worthless. Either someone lost something like $140k (I believe they were purchased around the time the pps dropped to 17 for around one dollar per contract) or somebody sold those contracts to themselves to try to start a rally after they loaded up. We saw a modest rally. I opt for the latter.
March 18 25 calls.
1400 contracts for 140,000 shares. That is a big bet. Whoever it is I hope they are right.There are also 170 contracts for the 20 calls and 81 for the 22.50 which were not there about a week ago.
The pps dropped below 25 on Jan 3. I doubt anybody would have bought the 25 calls before then when they would have been in the money. Buying calls and puts that are in the money defeats their purpose as you are putting more capital at risk.
I don't remember Bayer for 4 billion. I think it was Abbvie for 2 billion.
We've seen it happen so many times. It seems like whem the MMs want to sell some shares they raise the price. When they want to buy some shares they lower the price. Usually during the first hour. Then the price almost always reverses itself. Almost always on very little volume that shouldn't cause such price swings. Another pattern is the sharp drop in price during the last hour with a big transaction at the close. Sometimes we get a price increase instead also with a big buy at the close. It looks like manipulation.
Maybe he really needs the money right now and/or can put it to benefit him more than if he didn't cash in.We just don't know. I would be worried if other insiders start selling.
Add another $6-8 a share for the 400-500 million R&D expenses. Another 95 million for the Bavi milestone. And how do you put a price on the 15% royalties? Bavi is in two phase II trials as a combination drug. Phase II trial drugs have fetched billions. We would get 15% royalties for how long and what is the potential number of drugs Bavi can be combined with? Bottom line Bavi is worth something at this point and more later if the trials are successful.
10 reasons why biotechs could be hottest sector in 2022.
https://www.griproom.com/
Griproom is a really good site.I found out about it when preciouslife posted one of their articles on here.
10 is not a good reason for cdmo as we already are maxed out on IIs.
Welcome to the land of manipulation. It could have been some hedge fund selling and buying at the same time while pushing the pps down. It sure seems strange how the price moved up towards the end. We have seen so many times where the pps reverses itself during the last hour of trading or it just goes down or up sharply, mostly down.
Thermo Fisher purchased Brammer Bio for 1.7 Billion. Brammer had 250 million annual revenue. Sold for 7 times revenues. Brammer Bio co-founder was Mark Bamforth. Any chance he was the one that pushed for the new viral vector expansion? Will it lead to an acquisition? Will the viral vector be sold, if sold, separately or bundled with the current business? Or will Green just keep expanding? Not to be forgotten how the Bavi business will be handled. I wouldn't mind a sale in the near future. Just tired of riding this thing out.
I saw at nasdaq.com the after hours trades. There was one trade of 70k sh at 32.14 right after 4pm followed by two more trades at 32.14 of little over 1000 shares. Then there were a few trades of 10 to 100 shares with the last one at 32.50. I hope the stock market bubble doesn't pop because there is a good chance we'll go down with ut.n
I agree with everything you said except for one thing in 5 (d). I have also seen stocks gap up bigtime only for the pps to flatline for the rest of the day. I think this would take out the day traders as they cannot make any gains trading a stock that doesn't fluctuate in price. We can only speculate as to who was doing the buying and who was selling in such a tight range.It could be some funds unloading some and some other,new or exsting, funds buying. The MMs are able to and can keep the price steady to facilitate the buying and selling.
This is only an educated guess on my part. I think the MMs and funds view the stock market as their turf and wouldn't want retail making any money long term or by day trading. Flatlining a stock that has very good reason to fluctuate a lot in a single day would keep the day traders away.
The MMs and funds also like to relieve retail of their shares by dropping the pps 3-5% on very little volume only to see the pps shoot back up very shortly. We have seen this many times with CDMO recently. JMO.
This is from the nih.gov web site.Data from 68 countries and 2947 U.S. counties shows there is no discernible relationship between vaccines and cases
Also, the data shows vaccines efficacy is 38% way below the 95% the manufacturers trials showed.
Maybe the new buyer if that is the case showed up when the pps was much higher and gave the MMs a buy order under 20 to low 20s. We got no bump from beating the earnings estimate but then got clubbered because of hgen.
The decision makers at the FDA didn't buy hgen stock
Any chance they loaded up on mrna stock?
What do the MMs have to gain by always trying to get shares to give the IIs the price they want? Maybe the CDMO MMs and the IIs have a relationship that extends to other stocks besides CDMO. The MMs benefit by always having buyers for their inventories in different stocks and they are reciprocating by helping the IIs buy CDMO shares at lower prices. Do you think that the CDMO pps would be higher had it not been for all these IIs buying in with the MMs helping them get shares at lower prices?