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Wamu has the SUN behind them. Wait and see.....
I think we should give the corrupted officials at the fdic another week and then start sending our complaints right to attourney general barr.
Thank you for your efforts.
Hillary was last seen at the adrenochrome rehab clinic with billy and prince andrew.
Get lost . Do something useful with your life time.
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Everyone go and ask the fdic when they will re-distribute the illegally seized wmi assets .
Its time to prepare for legal for action against the corrupt and incompetent fdic.
I really have enough of their endless corruption.
Have a nice day.
Fdic was contacted by a board member recently and actually got a repsonse , do we have any updates on that ?
The fdic , jpm and jamie dimon are still not released from the illegal wamu robbery until they pay up or give back.
Have a nice day.
Read my previous posts. The one with the rant.
The design of ihub is deeply flawed with its one topic endless discussion.
Everything gets lost.
I will never do anything here after wamu is done.
I hope the las vegas party planning is the last thing ill do here. ;).
If you made the right mistake to buy into any class of wamu shares you will make a good amount , i would not care a bit about it anymore ... cant change it anyway anymore...
Imho theres no real difference in hitting an out of stadium home run or hitting the other out of stadium home run ... if you get what i mean.
my bank effed up the release of a quarter of my q shares and i cant even sue them.
I am still hitting home run to the effin moon anyways .
Have a nice day.
Ps.
I also think that was a "mistake" some were tricked into.
Just dont give a damn. Only a 1000fold gain. Oh no... really horrible.
Jamie dimon got his karma , as everyone. He goes to bed as a criminal corrupt imbecile every single day trying to convince himself that what he does has any value.
First of all ... believe is not a good investment strategy.
I am here since at least 09 maybe 08 i dont even remember anymore its been so long .
Why would i try to pump a stock i do not even own anymore... read my posts.
And again passive aggressive behavior.
Go into nature and look at some green trees or something.
its good for you.
Ooooooops me thinks you forgot to substract the liabilitys like bank deposits, issued bonds etc pp.
Have anice day.
We had more than one bankruptcy case and will have more than one source of $$$ .
Two seperate but entangled bankrupcys ... wamu holding itself and wmb the loan servicer.
we got shares in coop the loan servicer and are still the owners of wamu holding which is still in the process of becoming the other source of $$$.
Tbh i have no better answer for you other than this that.
I guess you need to read through the documents for yourself if you want something more specfic. Have fun with that ;).
We are dealing with an unprecedented amount of corruption and incompetence ... a huge effin mess.
These criminals at jpm and sec and fdic need to un-steal a whole bank.
The big rewind of the biggest bankrobbery in history.
Btw. Jpm and goldman were the biggest owners of common shares on the last trading day. Jpm owned over 300 million common shares.
Maybe thats why there were 500million shares non released... they dont get to participate in our wmi windfall as a slap on the wrist.
Maybe ask yourselve how the actual f they could illegally seize a 300 billion bank holding without going to jail.
United banana states of america is the sad answer.
This mess is so huge that if rico punishment had been used by susman, and i am shure could have been apllied, we would have gotten all of jpm and ford motors on top.
All imho.
Have a nice day.
That 400 billion $ number unfortunately unrealistic .
JpMorgan ... the biggest bank in the western world? traded at a ~420 billion all time high valuation. With less actual asset value.
That 407 billion estimate for wamu is probably assets without liability .
Wamu was big but not as big as jpm or hsbc etc.
Wmi had many valuable assets but also debts.
Go and read the kccl document from dr.Archaya i posted earlier .
That explains it relatively easy.
Have a nice day.
Clearing the fog about 75/25 .
All imho.
It was about washington mutuals subsidary wmb(ank) that was renamed wmih and is now called coop.
Originally "bancrupt" wmb then > reorganized wmih then > renamed mr.cooper.
The old company washington mutual holding aka wamu has aparrently not much in common with the newer wmih which is actually the old loan servicer aka the wmb(ank) which was "legally" seized.
They tried to fool the public with that.
Very deceptive , took me a while to see through this mess too.
I dont now why they thought that this was so important but they did this anyway.
Always remember these are incompetent and corrupt imbeciles.
I guess wmb aka >>> wmih aka >>> coop asset is the right to service wmis vast loan portfolio and that 200million? or so they got if i remember correctly.
It is "only" the loan servicer . Still a profitable business .
We all got shares in that loan servicing business according to the 75/25 formula.
But no interest in moneychangers no more so ... i sold too early a long time ago. Keep your shares, it may go up for another 5 dollars i guess. No investment advice btw.
I believe thats also what AZ is trying to tell you guys about in his very good but sometimes cryptic posts . Its all a charade of company name changes to hide the real wamu mess from the public.
The big first original washington mutual holding windfall is still on its way.
The remaining escrow shares are diamond encrusted goldbricks.
Everthing only in my humble opinion.
Have a nice day.
$ CALCULATIONS FOR PKQ + RANT
No guarantees here.
Imho the p and k shares were non accumulative , interest paid out anually .
Wamu p series were 3 million 1000$ shares issued, 7.75%pa interest x 12 years : 1930$ per p share .
Worth a combined 5 billion 790 million $ after 12 years.
Wamu K series were 20 million 25$ shares issued , around ~3 to~4%pa x 12 anual: around 33 36 $ per k share .
combined around 700 million after 12 years.
if WMI HOLDING ,remember seized wmb was an empty very poor subsidary, 2007 positive assets of 45 billion book value at 3%pa interest for 12 years we are looking at 64 billion $ coming back to our common q shares.
64 billion : + 3%pa x 12years accumulative interest : ~1.2 billion shares =
~53 $ per common q share !
Thats my personal $$$ estimate.
If that professional doctor for accounting Sankarshan Arachaya is still right then WMI was worth 145.5 billion according to jpms own numbers,
http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229100603000000000011.pdf
plus interest, at 3%pa thats ~172$ per common share or without ~121$.
Thats also were our shareprice would be if wamu was still in business ... 100$+
Then jamie really effed it up.
That would explain his recent heart attack.
But it really does not matter to me if its 53 , 121 or 172 $ ...
for now its 0. We will find out which number is right eventually.
And to all the people who think that those are ridiculously high numbers ... no they are not . Eat my shorts. ;).
Jpms book value is 225 billion and trading at 288 billion... they can pay up our 64billion ... they had 12 years to save for this.
And wamu was not a small bank (wmi holding) and at no point in time was it bancrupt.
It was attempted robbery by bankruptcy organised by jpm project west and the corrupt sec and fdic and they were too incompetent to know their own laws and regulations. Fdic can not seize a holding like WMI was and still is...
Effin imbeciles... jamie dimon too.
Maybe thats why the notsohonorary judge walrath was worried, that one day mr. nelson was talking $$$ in court (and silenced him), that jpm might need to bancrupt itself to pay us the full 145.5 billion. lol.
Some will remember this ; "he (susman) could have gotten more".
Also always remember this :
the fdic, jpm and jamie"lying""throatcancer+heartattack"dimon are not released until they pay us book value plus interest for every wamu issued loan, owned building, mining rights, our art collection they gifted away in jpms name, and every rusty nail in the wall of our branches ... these criminals attempted to steal from the shareholders of washington mutual.
And if they don't i have a good 50 years left to bring those criminal bankingcartell members down.
And i will.
By letting us wait here for 12 damn years they created themselfes real enemy.
Think of all the homes these criminals seized from working people in 2008 and kept + sold ... only to be saved by the working mans and womans tax money afterwards ???
The whole banking system is only made and set up for robbing normal working people!
Good luck we wamu shareholders dont need anymore.
This was settled years ago.
Everyone go and ask the fdic questions everday about wamu!
Have a nice day.
I changed my timeline for our financial windfall to "whenever it finally happens" .
And it will happen 111%!
It actually happened years ago, it just needs to be made official with actual distribution of $$$.
Its just that when i invested here in 09? I figured it would take about 3 to 5 years to deliver the 4 billion cash they had as leftovers, thats the average lenght of a chapter 11 bankruptcy... only later i realized that jpm attempted to rob a whole nonbankcrupt bank. At no point was wamu bancrupt with its billions in postive assets.
Jpm is just a criminal organisation with better connections to corrupt goverment agencys and wanted more business in the westcoast and wamu just wasnt a member of the bigbankingrobbercartell.
How wrong i was... i terms of lenght and being off by 40+x billion.
Its our luck or fate that these criminals are so arrogant that they fxcked it up. Seized a holding called wmi with no corrupt law behind it.
Wmbank they,fdic, could legally seize but it was a totally empty shell, merely servicing wmiholding owned loans.
I bet CEO Killinger and friends were some really smart guys and forethought that plan to steal the whole bank. They transfered every asset to wmi holding and only left a fxckyou note for jpm in wmbs empty safe.
just imagine the redheaded raging Jamie "lying" Dimon when they figured that out.
the bigboys got served a total humiliation by some local bankers out of seattle. lol. Makes me grin bigtime.
We are imho now the record holder in terms of length of a chapter11 bankruptcy with 12+ years , mainly due to the high level of corruption in our case. The other one was one an asbestos company and it took them 11,5 years to get that out, we surpassed them last year...
Every day of delay means more cash to be made for jpm out of our money... thats the simple reason for the decade long delay in their shxtshow.
Long story short...
Someone here figured out that it took about 10? Months to settle each class, maybe thats something to go by ... that would implicate a windfall by this fall since we are officially done since december/january.
The thing is ... nobody knows the future for shure. Could be literally anyday now,but it does not matter to me anymore ... we have our golden escrow markers and it will happen, whenever it finally happens.
Ps.
Imho 75/25 doesnt apply for wmi holding assets. that was only for wmb ligitation assets aka shares of coop. Prefs will get their facevalue plus interest and the "rest" will go to commons. But thats all a non issue. Both investments were great. The first one was extremely good , multiply ones money by a cool 1000+ or 10000%+ if bought at 10$, but the latter one is off the charts, one of the best investments ever,a fortune, multiply by tenths of 1000s. ;)
Imho even the pre bancrutpcy investors will get their money back.
Apparently the corrupt fdic,just recently, found some ,yet ,unkown amount of billions in off balance assets in their accounting,they found them over at jpms offices, at least they legally prepared for that, lol.
What a bunch of incompetent corrupt imbeciles.
We are all good. We won this years ago.
Jamie "Lying" Dimon maybe a billionaire by now but he got throatcancer caused by lying too much and heartdisease caused by being stressed all day instead. Not so good...
Here you go, jpm 10k lists OUR off balance sheet assets, i expect a minimum of 45 billion (07 book value) plus interest of 15 billion
http://www.secinfo.com/dJ5e.m8v.b.htm
That ol' cowboy contributed more to unraveling this mess than a lot of other posters here although a bit cryptic in his own way sometimes ...
People are just frustrated because they lack the necessary patience or some have their "agendas". Just my 2cents.
Imho this saga drag itself down the road til 2021.
Historic trading data... Does someone here know where I can look up the last months of wamu q/p/k trading / stock quotes?
Thanks in advance.
We move forward... Til 2021... I somehow doubt that our story will be resolved/funds distributed before the trust is closed down.
GLTUA
Plus jpm was the single largest holder of wamu common shares at day of the non bancruptcy 25 September 08. They had around three hundred million shares! These banksters will actually pay a third of our hush money for the heist of wamu to themselves. At least they know how their own game works.
Second largest was goldman BTW.
Dmd what about liabilities? Your calculations kinda ignore that a company is not just assets piled on top of each other...
I see the minimum for a (realistic, although still wishful) recovery at our known number of ~24b from document 1. Which is, at 5% interest for 10 long years, just shy of 40b.
On the higher end, considering that wamu never was bancrupt but declared bancrupt and unsuccessfully robbed by its banking business by some panicking/greedy cretins from fdic/jpm, a full recovery of the 2006 book value of ~50b, if I remember correctly, is completely possible. Add 5% interest and we come awfully close to that indian Dr. A's Number of a little over 80b.
Of course plus still incoming interest payments for continuing loans being paid of in the future.
If we consider that investors in the fully crashed down lehman brothers got a recovery of over 60% of their investments.... We are just fine.
I came to the conclusion that I'm sitting very comfortably in the same boat as bonderman and tepper. And these guys seem to be very quiet and OK with the proceedings of this charade... Although they thought they will manage to kick me out of their boat... Last time I checked I'm still in it.
And this discussion about 75/25 or not... Who gives a f about it. Either way we will get a ton of currencies.
GLTUA
Yes.
I lost my login and have been silent and but kept checking the board... Luckily I was able to recover my stuff.
We truly are a bunch of relentless bastards up jpms bottom haha.
GLTUA.
Nothing to see here. Don't read. Go away.
https://bpinvestigativeagency.com/jpmorgan-chase-ordered-to-produce-wire-transfers-of-borrowers-payments-to-trust/
JPMorgan Chase Ordered To Produce Wire Transfers Of Borrower’s Payments To Trust
Posted by Bill Paatalo on Feb 26, 2018 in Blog | 1 comment
Things are going to get real interesting now! On February 15th, 2018, the following Order was handed down in the Circuit Court for Palm Beach County, Florida. Here is a little background on this case.
The Plaintiff is current on his loan that was originated in 2005 by Washington Mutual Bank, F.A., and has never been declared in “default.” However, having become aware that serious defects may exist over the title to his property, Plaintiff sought answers to the most basic questions. Who owns my loan? And, who is receiving my payments?
As most readers can guess, the answers to these questions have been met with great resistance and animosity by Chase’s counsel. This begs the question, why would JPMorgan Chase, as the alleged servicer for the Plaintiff’s loan that is not delinquent, fight tooth and nail over having to disclose this information? I believe we may have the answer to this question within the next 9-days. This is because the Court, upon a Motion to Compel evidence, has just Ordered JPMorgan Chase to produce to Plaintiff, “(1) wire transfer history for Plaintiff’s account reflecting payments made to JPMorgan Chase Bank, N.A. and forwarded to Wells Fargo or any other entity via wire transfer; and (2) servicing agreements between Chase and Wells Fargo authorizing Chase to service the loan and enforce the note and mortgage.” (See: Proodian V Chase Order)
I believe the rationale behind this Order stems from the fact this is a non-default situation. Chase’s attorneys are struggling to defend this action because they cannot rely upon the worn-out “deadbeat trying to score a free house” argument. I’ve been saying for years now that the banks may have dominated the narrative in the foreclosure realm thus far, but they are going to be in big trouble if/when the masses of borrowers, who are “current” on their mortgages, begin their own crusade for answers as to who owns their loan, AND WHERE ARE THEIR PAYMENTS GOING? Until these questions are properly answered through verified evidence, no one’s title and money is safe.
Things are going to get very interesting now!
Bill Paatalo
Private Investigator – OR PSID# 49411
BP Investigative Agency, LLC
____________________
My conclusion is that jpm is purely servicing our wamu loans in these cases, but have to act as they do it for jpm itself because of the illegal theft and sale of wmb's parent company assets, and as long as wamu's loans will get paid back, we will receive that eventually, therefore this story will go on for another 20 years. After the court delays are over we will hear that ching ching every month/quarter/year with a bulk payment for the last 10 years and a fair and reasonable start.
Even Brian Rosen is tired of (t)his show, he's already with another law firm.
GLTUA.
Dont you know that this document 3.1a was never there and its only a scriveners error ;) . Just trust the fdic . Not .
They only had the power to seize the wamu bank , they overstepped the law and their authority when they seized the wamu holding as well . A solvent holding . This was absolutely illegal at the time .
And that is their problem ever since .
Now they have to somehow legalize this "mistake" .
Do not forget that the hedge funds were confronted with a "colorable" insider trading threat , which means death sentence , maybe , if there really is a cap on prefs , they didn't fight because they got a deal that would make them less but still a lot of money an at the same time make the insider trading threat go away .
Also jpm was the biggest shareholder in wamu in 2008 on day of seizure and , they would be actually be on the common share side and just happily pay themselfes more when and if prefs are capped .
We will see , in either scenario there is money to be made .
Isn't the preferred equity claim defined by their face value , therefore limited ?
I have never read anything were it actually states "prefs are not capped anymore and could recieve more than face value" , several docs state that the funds will get split 75/25 based on their claims ... and then leave out the essential answer what the "claim" actually is .
I dont know what to think about this 75/25 split discussion anymore...
It doesn't really matter anyway by now .
Just ask the people at the fdic directly , they usually answer these questions (if you dont mention wamu) .
Share the answer if you get a response .
Susman lawyers ...
As disappointing as these answers are which we are getting from representatives ...
i bet that they get in real trouble if they talk about confidential / redacted documents / backroom deals .
I would be very surprised if anyone would get any straight answers from them .
Read the documents ... its all in there ... thats what i do when i'm in doubt about getting filthy rich .
Jpm needs to pay book value , fdic is not released .
Just my 2 cents .
Interesting post , it matches kind of what the dr. Archayasomething said in his letter to the court ... .
About that 75/25 matter ... I second this question : Does anybody else have any legality ( on AZs) thoughts on that interpretation?
My personal view is that all gets divided within those percentages .
I'd love to be wrong .
Bkshadow is admitting that money could be coming to "us" ... hahaha ... irony at its best .
Would you explain why the fdic is still not released from their wrongdoings ?
Here is the blast from the past post you were referring to .
Great post by yourself btw.
great blast from the past about wmb fsb 1
"JPMCB needed WMB/FSB" OCC consummation letter: "At the time of entering its bid, JPMCB advised the FDIC and the OCC by letter of its need to immediately after consummation merge WMBIFSB into JPMCB and to have CUSA immediately assume the credit card business acquired by JPMCB as a result of those transactions."
That is because JPMCB was broke and "needed" the cash rich WMB/FSB because they were broke, more broke than the FDIC claimed WMB was, hence the "need" for the theft, and their credit card subsidiary CUSA was also broke and needed the cash from the WMB credit card business. Just look at the records for those unregulated derivatives I posted previously and see which bank was really about to fail.
I still say that WMB/FSB was not a WMB subsidiary but a direct WMI subsidiary and we own the Master Note for $18.67 billion as well as WMB/FSB. The SEC records I have downloaded do not discuss an acquisition by WMB of WMB/FSB anywhewre I can find. They do discuss WMB/FA and WMB (state Bank) merging into WMB/FA (national bank) and then changing the name back to WMB, but WMB/FSB (national bank) was always a different animal from WMB/FA. There are lots of new "official" letters and documents with dates that are very close to the WMB theft purporting that WMB/FSB was a WMB subsidiary, which I believe to be false revisionist history. Why then was the $18.67 Billion Master Note and all the money transfers even necessary? WMI managment said it wanted the $3.67 Billion in cash in "a more well capitalized bank" within the WaMu Group" (Hochberg 83, see footnote 302) and effected the transfer to a new account at WMB/FSB. IMHO
The Purchase and Assumption Agreement never states WMB/FSB anywhere. This was taken by "merger" not by sale under receivership.
If someone has documents showing that WMB/FSB was actually always a subsidiary of WMB after the name change merger or WMB/FA prior to the name change merger with WMB(state bank) show me and I will shut up.
[WMB/FSB could never have been a subsidiary of the original WMB (state bank) which demutualized in 1983 with the acquisition of Murphy Farve (Kerry Killinger)]
Wikipedia:
Acquisitions
Since the acquisition of Murphey Favre, WaMu made numerous acquisitions with the aim of expanding the corporation. By acquiring companies including PNC Mortgage, Fleet Mortgage and Homeside Lending, WaMu became the third-largest mortgage lender in the U.S. With the acquisition of Providian Financial Corporation in October 2005, WaMu also became the nation's 9th-largest credit-card company.
A list of Washington Mutual acquisitions since demutualization:[19]
* Commercial Capital Bancorp, California, 2006
* Providian Financial Corporation, California, 2005
* HomeSide Lending, Inc., Florida, a unit of National Australia Bank, 2002
* Dime Bancorp, Inc., New York, 2002
* Fleet Mortgage Corp., South Carolina, 2001
* Bank United Corp., Texas, 2001
* PNC Mortgage, Illinois, 2001
* Alta Residential Mortgage Trust, California, 2000
* Long Beach Financial Corp., California, 1999
* Industrial Bank, California, 1998
* H. F. Ahmanson & Co. (Home Savings of America), California, 1998
* Great Western Bank, 1997
* United Western Financial Group, Inc., Utah, 1997
* Keystone Holdings, Inc. (American Savings Bank), California, 1996
* Utah Federal Savings Bank, 1996
* Western Bank, Oregon, 1996
* Enterprise Bank, Washington, 1995
* Olympus Bank FSB, Utah, 1995
* Summit Savings Bank, Washington, 1994
* Far West Federal Savings Bank, Oregon, 1994
* Pacific First Bank, Ontario, 1993
* Pioneer Savings Bank, Washington, 1993
* Great Northwest Bank, Washington, 1992
* Sound Savings & Loan Association, Washington, 1991
* CrossLand Savings FSB, Utah, 1991
* Vancouver Federal Savings Bank, Washington, 1991
* Williamsburg Federal Savings Association, Utah, 1990
* Frontier Federal Savings Association, Washington, 1990
* Old Stone Bank of Washington, FSB, Rhode Island, 1990
Don't see Washington Mutual Bank FSB here. I see other FSB's but not WMB/FSB......did Olympus Bank FSB become Washington Mutual Bank FSB? Nope it was acquired by WMB/FSB not by WMB.
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Olympus Bank
FDIC Certificate #: 29806
Status: Inactive
Closing history: Corrections
Acquiring institution: Washington Mutual Bank FSB (#33891)
Federal Reserve ID: 421070
Date Established: 1916-01-01
Bank Charter Class: Savings associations, state or federal charter, supervised by the Office of Thrift Supervision (OTS)
OTS Docket #: 4116
FDIC's unique #: 42640
Numeric code: 33
Regulator: OTS
AND WMB/FSB Merger - Without Assistance
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Washington Mutual Bank FSB
General FDIC Certificate #: 33891
Status: Inactive
Closing history: Merger - Without Assistance
Acquiring institution: JPMorgan Chase Bank, National Association (#628)
Federal Reserve ID: 2187071
Date Established: 1994-04-15
Bank Charter Class: Savings associations, state or federal charter, supervised by the Office of Thrift Supervision (OTS)
OTS Docket #: 11905
FDIC's unique #: 54060
Numeric code: 33
Regulator: OTS
Read more: http://www.faqs.org/banks/Washington-Mutual-Bank-FSB-33891-Park-City-Utah.html#top#ixzz17LR2ovI2
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=57419713
Credits to civil war general
Btw , I am still positive about my investments in wamu stock back in 09 ... but one has to be realistic ... the fdic will drag this twisted saga out as long as they can > 2018
A little billion dollar reminder .
R203
Off-Balance Sheet Lending-Related Financial Instruments, Guarantees and Other Commitments - Loan Sales- and Securitization-Related Indemnifications (USD $)
Amount of residential mortgage loans, private-label securitization by Washington Mutual
165,000,000,000
Amount of residential mortgage loans, private-label securitization by Washington Mutual, Repaid
78,000,000,000
Amount of residential mortgage loans, private-label securitization by Washington Mutual, Liquidated
49,000,000,000
Percent of residential mortgage loans originally sold or deposited into private-label securitization by Washington Mutual, Average Loss Severity
59.00%
Amount of residential mortgage loans, private-label securitization by Washington Mutual, Remaining
38,000,000,000
Days Past Due, 60 or More
Summary of changes in mortgage repurchase liability
Amount of residential mortgage loans, private-label securitization by Washington Mutual, Remaining
8,000,000,000
http://www.secinfo.com/dJ5e.m8v.2a.htm#1stPage
+ wmi 24 billion + interest
have a nice day .
"Other borrowed money (includes mortgage indebtedness and obligations under capitalized leases) 137,180"
Smells like wamu . Haha .
I check the board almost everyday ... But i am now limited to one post .
I am happy to see that the overal sentiment is still positive about our escrows .
Keep it up . Haha .