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Down down down according to the Peter plan. With all the potential to profit with shareholders at .0006 the fact he keeps blowing it shows he really is a complete idiot that no one really should trust with a dime, that the SEC needs to investigate & should be serving time according to the several just laws he has broken.
lots of attention on this stock.
Going down, down, down I'm sure Peter's proud
This company has the best product.It's sad to see the struggle.
Let's not sell ourselves short, Peter's been doing enough of that for us. .01 should be possible for this company even if Peter replaces himself with a deaf dumb & blind Chimpanzee. .15 or higher is a realistic goal if he can get this together & show this company is for real this time instead of his usual pattern of serving up a bunch of bologna that just ends up being in his imagination instead of real like GLI.
I agree. Peter plan needs to do more than be the tweeter man. There is enough potential & interest here. We just need to stick with a plan long enough to succeed, instead of hyping up a company that won't even exist like GLI. It's about time for the real news, definitely taking longer than expected. Is anyone making ANY money already on this? Anyone think this will hit around .15 or higher by new years?
So what do you think happened with GLI then
keeping shareholders stuck down here seems like it's part of the Peter plan! This could go way up, but look at who's in charge. All the efforts through social media I have seen could probably be done by a tweenage girl after her homework & after school activities. What real hard work has anyone else seen in creating success, anyone find out anything different about GLI than I have? I feel scammed.
I stocked up on a lot before, but sold after it shot up. Been buying more of these cheapies under .02 though. Hope to see more buying opportunities like this for a little while longer, then once I take full advantage of stocking back up I am sure it won't be long before we see this go in a more favorable direction. With the several products offered, in the several different profitable industries like fertilizer, personal mineral supplements, pet & livestock, even facial masks all just using organic clay with trace minerals, Excelerite will be successful in my lifetime. There is no way anyone who uses Excelerite properly will want to go back to using other products like Monsanto is offering for fertilizer, or any main brand personal mineral supplement that only offers 24 or less minerals.
This company has huge potential. I was on board last september as we shot up from .02 to .19. This should be in the dollars considering the high quality of the product offered.
Patriot1776 what a joke! To see patriot act on the Peter plan, & talk about $100 on this is just funny! Who has this pumper convinced? ANYONE? Who thinks he will lose money just like anyone who still supports the Peter plan after the lies & securities fraud has been pointed out? .0009 would be a lot more likely under this Peter plan, even if we see some more from the tweeter man. A big shame, what a scam this has been, GLI ha!
Pump it up, right patriot1776, maybe the lies peter has been telling when committing securities fraud will go away like that, right? Ridiculous. Let's all get real! The Peter plan is to scam all the shareholders out of everything Peter can! He doesn't care if he blatantly lies to you, or omits necessary information! Just keep on giving him your money, if you want, regardless of the facts & knowing what he has done to others. Bologna. Peter needs to see justice served, accept the felony sentencing & time behind bars so he can't keep harming our society while I try to make it better. Peter's criminal activity can not continue to be rewarded, if we actually care about our society he needs to be stopped before anymore damage is done.
The Peter plan is just to scam all of you! He lied consistently about GLI, and now what? .0013? If any of you are smart, and ever want your money back, all us shareholders should sue Peter for securities fraud. I was only interested in investing in GLI, it's not just about money, it's about making the world a better place. Peter is not smart enough to make money honestly, he has to trick people apparently. Justice needs to be served, felony sentences are called for.
This has the potential to skyrocket, hopefully soon like this week. After going down to .0010 of course there is lots of room to go back up. I think that considering we were at least at .05 around a year or so ago, before we started hearing about the bitcoin atms, we should at least get back there again soon hopefully. The ability to profit has always been there imo. what is sad to see is the shares get made meaningless & nearly worthless while we get statements that at times seem to have nothing to do with the reality. At least DKM is doing the audit now, should be done soon by this point anyways we shall see how this goes
I spoke with Charles Klein at DKM. We discussed the 5-5 statement that the company has again retained DKM for the audit assignment. I mentioned that at this date it made DKM look bad, & was told that really the date was 6-19, and not their fault but then they went on vacation. We agreed about the fact that confusion has been created. Why is it that when I check to see if the truth has been told, I find something that is different than I have been lead to believe? The laws are clear, I hope justice is served.
.0009 has nothing to do with me. Truth is something that I am not surprised others don't quite see as necessary, especially among this group, apparently. If you think any of this floundering is my fault, call Altman yourself, find out the facts before you blame me for trying to reveal them. I hope for success, but prefer to go about it honestly, unlike some people. I understand that in search of money, profits, others may lose sight of just about anything else, regardless of the laws. It really is sad. Go $CEHC! right? I was supporting mainly executive education, what happened to that, everyone, if you don't like what I found out & have to say about it, what do you think really happened then?
Figures. Glad someone did something to at least get this moving while we got more tweeter fluff. Even if it does seem kinda pointless to lose money so you can go right back down to where you started. I hope this thing does get bumped up. It's the only hope I see left for this at all, is going up in share price. I'd like it to hit at least .005 again.
Tweeter fluff? no surprise. Let's not fool ourselves about being fooled. Altman made things clear to me. This does have the potential to go up a lot from here, but what I have been finding out only alarms me.
Peter wrote back again, here are the Email's:
Peter, I wish I could say it seems like you have been busy. Again, GET REAL! You want to talk about what seems a little UNFAIR? Have you thought about the harm you have done? You talk about hiding behind a keyboard, & making wild statements, what have you really done lately besides play with your..Tweeter, Peter plan? Considering REALITY, your statements seem pretty wild to me, even ILLEGAL. I have been attempting to confront your behavior, & establish the true facts, not exactly what I would call hiding, or wild statements, in REALITY.
Please do not use anymore tactics to avoid accountability, including but not limited to:
Lying by omission, distorting the truth, disclosing only what is self beneficial, put others on defensive, degrading, quibbling over words, points out others inadequacies, totally inattentive, silence, pay attention only when it benefits self, deliberately vague, make a big scene about minor points, attempt to confuse others, tell others what they want to hear, agree without meaning it, use I don't know as an excuse, claim to have changed by doing something right once, put off any obligation by saying I forgot, divert attention away, builds self up, minimizes the situation.
Being aware of a few errors in thinking may help: Closed thinking, is not receptive, critical, makes no disclosures, good at pointing out faults of others. Lack of effort, unwilling to do anything found boring or disagreeable, uses I cant which means I wont. Lack of interest in responsible performance, finds responsible living to be unsatisfying, responds only if netting immediate payoff, has no sense of obligation. Lack of time perspective, expects others to act immediately on demands, makes decisions on assumptions not facts, does not use past as a learning tool. Views self only as a good person, focuses only on own positive attributes, fails to acknowledge own destructive behavior, builds self up at the expense of others. Power thrust, has a compelling need to control every situation, refuses to be dependent unless someone can be taken advantage of, uses manipulation and deceit. Uniqueness, views self as different than others, cuts fear of failure with super-optimism, quits at the first sign of failure, expects of others that which he or she fails to do. Ownership attitude, has no concept of the ownership rights of others, views people places & things as objects to possess.
Like I already told you, I did speak on the phone with Mr. Altman today. I am very glad I did, even if you don't seem to be. I am sure you can understand at this point I fully believe you committed felony fraud. Mr. Altman told me he almost had a heart attack when he read the release about GLI accepting bitcoin! Providing quality American education to Africa is helping make this world a better place, I believe justice is worth standing up for in this case.
Do you think NOW may be a good time to release some current & accurate information about what is really going on, to all shareholders? I would appreciate answers to the questions I have been asking, at this point. I believe others would also like to know the full truth & what I just found out about GLI, without further delays.
On Jun 21, 2014, at 7:13 PM, peter@bitcoinbrandsinc.com wrote:
Hi
You sure have been a busy fellow.
Please send along your full name, address, telephone number, and proof of share ownership in CEHC. It seems a little unfair that you are able to hide behind your keyboard making demands, wild statements, and none of us know who you are or if you have proper standing to do so.
I am glad you enjoyed the interview today.
Cheers-
Peter
> Peter I forwarded a message to altman. Still using tactics to avoid
> accountability? Do you really think your interview today helped, or will
> help, at least by monday, this week, this year, decade, lifetime or even
> millenia? Does playing with your.. tweeter make you think you're helping,
> Peter?
>
> I would appreciate the questions I have been asking answered. You do have
> other shareholders, that I am sure would like to know current info. Do it
> already, what are you waiting for? When I called DKM I was told you may
> not have even been able to pay your retainer.
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>>
>> Date: June 21, 2014 at 3:33:30 PM MST
>> To: "david@ildafrica.org" <david@ildafrica.org>
>> Subject: CEHC
>>
>> Hi Mr. Altman. I am interested in what exactly
>> happened this past year with your involvement with CEHC & trading GLI to
>> Peter. Your trade & the following results with shares being made
>> meaningless & nearly worthless got my attention.
>>
>> Please get back to me at your earliest convenience to discuss in further
>> detail. I would very much appreciate any help from you in establishing
>> certain facts. Peter did make some statements to me in Emails that I did
>> find alarming & do believe are cause for further investigation.
>>
>> Thank you
>
Had an interesting phonecall with ALTMAN today! Guess what he had to say, anyone? One of the most significant statements was basically that when he saw the release about GLI accepting Bitcoin he said he almost had a heart attack. I think the evidence that we have not been told the full truth is now overwhelming. Are any other shareholders intent on seeking justice? I would appreciate it if you would please let me know if you are interested in seeking justice. Consider this from Mr. Altman's perspective, bringing American educational services to Africa is honorable, what happened so far seems very unjust imo. Thank you.
Today's Email: Peter, are you still too busy playing with your...Tweeter? I have already begun hearing back from private attorneys about the felony fraud charges I have mentioned. You should know I am not the only one who believes I can win this case. Do you really think ignoring me will make this situation go away? If you don't want to at least answer my questions about the ATM's, you are convincing me those funds are going to be better invested retaining counsel to hold you accountable for your actions. I am sure Robocoin is interested in doing business anyway.
How long are you going to ignore me & leave other shareholders wanting to know what's up too? Again, I encourage you to be accountable. Create success through achievement. What are you waiting for? It's been 45 days since your 5-5 statement, so the aggressive efforts to complete to 10k & 10q seems more like a bad joke again, even though you seem to pat yourself on the back anyway. Do you find this entertaining, or have a lack or interest in responsible performance?
Are you at least understanding, clearly, I am intent on seeking justice. I do believe that if you continue using tactics to avoid accountability, your attempts to weasel out of the consequences for your actions will be counterproductive. Be accountable, create success through achievement, even if just for your own sake, as a selfish weasel, to prevent further illegal activities & the consequences they may bring sooner or later.
1ATM=Sad Here is another Email I sent: Peter, I would encourage you to start obeying the laws. Omission is a failure to do something, especially that one has a moral or legal obligation to do. For you to lie to me about making shares meaningless, & then ignore me is proving my point Peter. Other investors have seen all these Emails, I post them on investors hub, & believe it or not other shareholders also want answers now! FYI, I have also forwarded these Emails to law enforcement officials, SEC, & private attorneys for review.
Now is a good time to start being honest with shareholders about what is really going on, without any further delays. I consider myself to be further violated under these laws EVERY SINGLE DAY that passes. You do have other shareholders that deserve the truth too, & not to mention the legal obligations you have to tell the truth, instead of lying either blatantly or by omission. I am sure you know by now it is felony fraud charges to directly or indirectly to do any of the following:
1. Employ any device, scheme or artifice to defraud.
2. Make any untrue statement of material fact, or omit to state any material fact necessary in order to make the statements made, in the light of the circumstances under which they were made, not misleading.
3. Engage in any transaction, practice or course of business which operates or would operate as a fraud or deceit
If you want to continue to omit to state any material fact neccessary in order to make the statements made, in the light of the circumstances in which they were made, not misleading, that will only help prove my point Peter. Considering the number of tactics to avoid accountability you have already used trying to weasel around what you have done, you might want to realize your current actions are counterproductive to that part of the Peter Plan. Be accountable, create success through achievement, or be prepared to accept the consequences for your actions.
Look at what Peter's done! Can't believe anything he says, even if it's in the news releases. Look at last year 6-10 & 10-21, then look at this year, 4-21 & the May statements. Have you read his Email's to me, & seen how he uses several tactics to avoid accountability, including lying? The laws I looked up in response in a few states carry felony charges. Look at the facts involved, the reality of the past & present! Peter likes to avoid the current facts, likely to replace his fear of failure with superoptimism & overconfidence. Acting like that shows an error in thinking. I have asked him, on more than one occasion if he has ever thought that being accountable, & creating success through achievement may help, but Peter avoids that question, giving me my answer that way. So let's be real, we are still waiting for the current info. May 5th we were told mgmt was working aggresive on it, & DKM was again retained for audit on 10k & 10q. I called DKM to let them know Peter was not helping their reputation, this makes them look bad. They know their are deadlines, in May. It's June 10th, remember 6-10 last year, & see how disappointing that was, same with waiting the 45 days from 10-21 last year. This is nothing new, it's all part of the Peter Plan. Watch this magician pull rabbits out of a hat, but know it's all been an illusion when it comes down to it. Do you think Michael Jordan would seek damages from someone that did nothing wrong? His Airness, or former Miss North Carolina?
Today's Email I sent: Peter, I don't appreciate being lied to & then ignored, I do not believe your actions are even legal. How do your actions even make sense to you? There are legitimate ways to profit, along with shareholders, especially with education & bitcoin. Considering the laws I listed, are you able to answer my questions honestly now? I am concerned about you being able to withdraw bitcoins from my ATM's, as I have mentioned. Have you actually considered that being accountable & creating success through achievement may help? Do you think CEHC shareholders should know the current facts, now & without further delays?
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Monday, June 9, 2014
Subject: Attn: OIEA
To: help@sec.gov
Hi, I am writing to inform you of the issues I have with Peter Klamka, of CEHC. Last year 6-10 & 10-21 we had news releases that now have nothing to do with the current reality. Mr. Altman traded his company GLI apparently for 3 million shares around .05, shares are now meaningless, & went down to .0009! Bitcoin has enough scams surrounding it, services already seen as "dubious activity" associated with money laundering & financing terrorism.
If you read the messages, you will see Mr. Klamka lies, Blatantly, & by omission. Saying that series a prefferred stock has always had significant voting rights disclosed for years is an untrue statement of a material fact. The issue was amended, & restated in its entirety on 12-16-2013 & the fact shares were made meaningless was not disclosed to investors for several months, until 4-21-14. Peter continued denying this to me, even when confronted with the facts, showing me he knew it was wrong & doesn't even want to admit what he's done. You can see I have included the laws for Delaware, where I believe CEHC is incorporated, along with New York, where I believe Mr. Klamka is, & AZ where I am. I have also listed several tactics to avoid accuntability that, being able to identify, may help. I would appreciate this being looked into soon. I hope you have a good day. Thank you
Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2014
Subject: [Fwd: Re: My own Bitcoin ATM's]
To: "peter@bitcoinbrandsinc.com"
Peter, In addition to the tactics to avoid accountability I have already mentioned, others include lying by omission, distorting the truth, disclosing only what benefits self, and attempting to confuse others.
"On December 16 2013, the Company’s Board of Directors amended and restated in its entirety the rights, powers and preferences of the Company's authorized but unissued Series A Preferred Stock and the Company filed an Amended and Restated Certificate of Designation with the Secretary of State of the State of Delaware.
The 80% voting rights of the Series A Preferred Stock essentially renders the voting power of the Common Stock, or any other outstanding voting securities, meaningless. The shares of the Series A Preferred Stock were issued to preserve Peter Klamka's control of the Company. The shares of Series A Preferred Stock are not convertible into any other securities of the Company, including Common Stock, and therefore do not dilute the Company’s outstanding Common Stock. However, in the event of a liquidation of the assets of the Company, the liquidation rights of the Series A Preferred Stock are superior to those of the Common Stock. After the preferential liquidation rights of the Series A Preferred Stock and existing and outstanding classes of preferred stock are satisfied, there might not be any remaining assets for the holders of the Company’s Common Stock."
That comes from the "current" report filing 4-21-14. Several months after the fact, and half a year from 10-21-13. You took away voting power, making shares meaningless, & in liquidation you might leave shareholders with no remaining assets. Are you going to act like you think you may or may not be sure about what has really been going on, while stubbornly remaining overconfident about the future, regardless of present results?
Have you considered that being accountable, and creating success through achievement may help?
I see the potential for CEHC to go up from .0014, & support education & bitcoin. You've just kind of weaseled around a lot of these issues I mentioned though. Will you be restocking my ATM electronically? I am suspicious already of you continuing to find ways to make my investment meaningless & nearly worthless, so how much access do you have to these ATM's? Can you withdrawal bitcoins, or only resupply them that way?
On Wednesday, June 4, 2014, <peter@bitcoinbrandsinc.com> wrote:
Hi
I think I understand what you mean by the shares making the shares meaningless. The company has always had a preferred class of stock that had significant voting control. If you review the historical filings, I think you will see the preferred shares and their voting rights were disclosed for years.
I don't comment on the price of a stock. I am a long term holder building a fantastic company.
We remain beyond excited about the prospects for both CEHC and the bitcoin economy.
Best-
CEPHAS HOLDINGING CORP
Peter Klamka
CEO
Sent another Email to Peter@bitcoinbrandsinc.com that listed laws, didn't hear back from him after the previous Email.
New york laws I looked up include- General Business
§ 352-c. Prohibited acts constituting misdemeanor; felony. 1. It shall be illegal and prohibited for any person, partnership, corporation, company, trust or association, or any agent or employee thereof, to use or employ any of the following acts or practices: (a) Any fraud, deception, concealment, suppression, false pretense or fictitious or pretended purchase or sale; (b) Any promise or representation as to the future which is beyond reasonable expectation or unwarranted by existing circumstances; (c) Any representation or statement which is false, where the person who made such representation or statement: (i) knew the truth; or (ii) with reasonable effort could have known the truth; or (iii) made no reasonable effort to ascertain the truth; or (iv) did not have knowledge concerning the representation or statement made; where engaged in to induce or promote the issuance, distribution, exchange, sale, negotiation or purchase within or from this state of any securities or commodities, as defined in section three hundred fifty-two of this article, regardless of whether issuance, distribution, exchange, sale, negotiation or purchase resulted. 2. It shall be illegal and prohibited for any person, partnership, corporation, company, trust or association, or any agent or employee thereof, to engage in any artifice, agreement, device or scheme to obtain money, profit or property by any of the means prohibited by this section. 3. It shall be illegal and prohibited for any person, partnership, corporation, company, trust or association, or any agent or employee thereof, engaged in the sale of any securities or commodities, as defined in section three hundred fifty-two of this article, within or from the state of New York to represent that they are an "exchange" or use the word "exchange," or any abbreviation or derivative thereof, in its name or assumed name unless it is registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission as a national securities exchange, pursuant to section six of the Securities and Exchange Act of 1934, or unless it has been designated as a contract market by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, pursuant to section five of the Commodity Exchange Act. 4. Except as provided in subdivision five or six, a person, partnership, corporation, company, trust or association, or any agent or employee thereof, using or employing any act or practice declared to be illegal and prohibited by this section, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. 5. Any person, partnership, corporation, company, trust or association, or any agent or employee thereof who intentionally engages in any scheme constituting a systematic ongoing course of conduct with intent to defraud ten or more persons or to obtain property from ten or more persons by false or fraudulent pretenses, representations or promises, and so obtains property from one or more of such persons while engaged in inducing or promoting the issuance, distribution, exchange, sale, negotiation or purchase of any securities or commodities, as defined in this article, shall be guilty of a class E felony. 6. Any person, partnership, corporation, company, trust or association, or any agent or employee thereof who intentionally engages in fraud, deception, concealment, suppression, false pretense or fictitious or pretended purchase or sale, or who makes any material false representation or statement with intent to deceive or defraud, while engaged in inducing or promoting the issuance, distribution, exchange, sale, negotiation or purchase within or from this state of any securities or commodities, as defined in this article, and thereby wrongfully obtains property of a value in excess of two hundred fifty dollars, shall be guilty of a class E felony.
More Email's: I think I understand what you mean by the shares making the shares meaningless. The company has always had a preferred class of stock that had significant voting control. If you review the historical filings, I think you will see the preferred shares and their voting rights were disclosed for years.
I don't comment on the price of a stock. I am a long term holder building a fantastic company.
We remain beyond excited about the prospects for both CEHC and the bitcoin economy. Best-CEPHAS HOLDINGING CORP
Peter Klamka
My reply Email:
Peter, In addition to the tactics to avoid accountability I have already mentioned, others include lying by omission, distorting the truth, disclosing only what benefits self, and attempting to confuse others.
"On December 16 2013, the Company’s Board of Directors amended and restated in its entirety the rights, powers and preferences of the Company's authorized but unissued Series A Preferred Stock and the Company filed an Amended and Restated Certificate of Designation with the Secretary of State of the State of Delaware.
The 80% voting rights of the Series A Preferred Stock essentially renders the voting power of the Common Stock, or any other outstanding voting securities, meaningless. The shares of the Series A Preferred Stock were issued to preserve Peter Klamka's control of the Company. The shares of Series A Preferred Stock are not convertible into any other securities of the Company, including Common Stock, and therefore do not dilute the Company’s outstanding Common Stock. However, in the event of a liquidation of the assets of the Company, the liquidation rights of the Series A Preferred Stock are superior to those of the Common Stock. After the preferential liquidation rights of the Series A Preferred Stock and existing and outstanding classes of preferred stock are satisfied, there might not be any remaining assets for the holders of the Company’s Common Stock."
That comes from the "current" report filing 4-21-14. Several months after the fact, and half a year from 10-21-13. You took away voting power, making shares meaningless, & in liquidation you might leave shareholders with no remaining assets. Are you going to act like you think you may or may not be sure about what has really been going on, while stubbornly remaining overconfident about the future, regardless of present results?
Have you considered that being accountable, and creating success through achievement may help?
I see the potential for CEHC to go up from .0014, & support education & bitcoin. You've just kind of weaseled around a lot of these issues I mentioned though. Will you be restocking my ATM electronically? I am suspicious already of you continuing to find ways to make my investment meaningless & nearly worthless, so how much access do you have to these ATM's? Can you withdrawal bitcoins, or only resupply them that way?
I Emailed: Peter get real, you made all the shares meaningless, and at .0014 they are nearly worthless. Those are facts. You can keep on talking about these fantasy networks, & profits you see coming, but face the reality of here & now! I am not interested in continuing to be a shareholder for months & years after you made shares meaningless & seeing lack of results after 6-10 & 10-21 last year. I have already sold off most of my shares since you made them meaningless anyway, I don't want to do invest in someone who spends their time finding ways to do things like that to shareholders.
Warren Buffett explained investing as buying large amounts of shares in companies you can have a controlling interest in, & sacrificing current purchasing power for more purchasing power later. I did not mind the volatility, as CEHC was dragged down to .0009, I took advantage of buying opportunities. For several months after you made shares meaningless, you did not disclose this information to shareholders. CEHC is not considered an investment at this point in my opinion, since you intentionally made shares meaningless, & they are nearly worthless now.
If you put 1 ATM in all 293 places listed that would still cost about $586,000. I think that for a company that is what should be already happening now, a personal goal is more like me trying to set up a couple even. CEHC having 1 ATM now is a sad result, is it even the $20,000 type, or the $1,500 type? So, if I buy a couple of these ATM's, you will restock them electronically for me?
After expecting CEHC to be current within 45 days last October, I am sure you can understand why you have lost credibility at this point. I was interested in supporting GLI, & executive education because I want to contribute to society, make this world a better place. I appreciate you mentioning that the 10k & 10q is being worked on, but I think if you will continue to operate at this pace it will not work out. Months & years of holding shares I can't consider an investment now since you purposely made them meaningless & now they are nearly worthless is not an option I am comfortable having to accept.
What did Altman have to say about the Peter Plan when he found out? I think an investigation into the Peter Plan may be necessary based on what I have seen, specifically the trade with Altman & your actions afterward. To make shares meaningless, take away votes & keep yourself in control even after the horrible results you have created is bad enough. To not disclose that you made shares meaningless for several months, as they became nearly worthless clearly shows how much you care about harming shareholders. There are legitimate ways to be successful, along with shareholders, especially offering education & Bitcoin, so do it already. I don't think any of your shareholders have ever wanted to be tricked or scammed into thinking they are buying something they are not.
Peter Emailed: I am doing well thank you for asking. It is exciting to have enthusiastic and energetic shareholders like yourself. My compliments on your diligence.
I do take exception to your statement that our shares are meaningless and worthless. I am confident that our shareholders and everyone in the emerging Bitcoin economy will profit in the months and years ahead. I believe bitcoin will be as big as the Internet.
I don't follow what Yahoo prints. I do follow our audited financial statements. I believe a large portion of the reported debt to is to myself and other friendly shareholders who are committed to the long term growth of your company.
The share count is accurate as reported in the last documents filed with www.sec.gov.
I don't really follow what you are saying about the census. We intend to have a national network of automated bitcoin solutions. There are numerous anticipated revenue streams some of which are obvious like transaction fees and some of which are less obvious like advertising on the receipts and screens.
Regarding stocking ATMs, bitcoin atms can be stocked electronically. With the push of a button, the machines can be reloaded with bitcoin. We intend to provide that service to entrepreneurs who purchase machines from us and join our network.
I agree with you that bitcoin can be used for less than acceptable activities but so can US dollars and any other currencies.
Some of your questions like the results from GLI and how many atms we ordered can't be answered in a private email. We are diligently working to finish the 10K and 10q so all of your questions can be answered at the same time the news is available for all of our valued shareholders.
Here is my reply: Hi Peter, how are you? I have already mentioned a few tactics to avoid accountability, others include diverting attention away, using I don't know as an excuse, paying attention only when it benefits self, and quibbling over words.
You're not sure about the debt, and shares given away? Total debt mrq listed on yahoo key stats currently at 2.53M.150,817,919 shares issued & outstanding according to 5-13 statement. You don't know about that, Peter, Really? Do you see how that sends the message you do not care at all, enough to even think about it, even when confronted?
There are apparently 293 incorporated places with 100,000 people or more as estimated by US Census Bureau 7/1/13. 293x$2,000=$586,000 & that would be a network of ATM's that I could have a lot more hope for. So why are you talking about having 1 ATM now instead of 1 in EVERY state at least, 50x$2,000=$100,000! This network is something that needs to be getting done already, not something you can continue to hope, expect, & intend to do. Is the 1 ATM you got for CEHC the $1,500 version, or at least the $20,000 type? How do you even plan to keep it stocked with Bitcoin if you do get the near constant business you seem to expect, for $15,000 a month income? What are the differences in features? I mainly want to own these ATM's so you will not be able to continue to spend your time finding ways to make my investment meaningless & nearly worthless. I am concerned about the focus of CEHC being all on Bitcoin now. Apparently all Russian individuals & legal entities are recommended to refrain from transactions involving Bitcoins, services viewed as "dubious activity" associated to money laundering & financing terrorism. There seem to already be scams involving Bitcoin's, & not wanting to be involved in that, believe it may be prudent to investigate. What have you done with all the money, how does yahoo list revenue ttm as $1, and total cash mrq as $28? Information I find regarding Michael Jordan & Miss North Carolina further concerns me.
WHAT IS UP WITH GLI? WHAT IS UP WITH ALTMAN? These are specific questions I would appreciate an answer to, I believe all shareholders would, especially after 6-10 & 10-21 last year.
Peter Emailed me, here it is: Thank you for checking in with us. I will do my best to answer your questions as completely as possible. I am not sure what you refer to when you say, "given the debt and shares given away" so I can't address that concern. If you have a specific line item, I would be happy to go over it with you. We do in fact expect to have automated bitcoin vending solutions in major cities both company owned and through a network of entrepreneurs, landlords, and business owners. If you are interested in purchasing, I would be happy to help you. The costs of the equipment range from $1,500 to $20,000 depending on the features and size. You need to consider your jurisdiction and local laws as you develop your business plan.
There are numerous potential revenue streams available to our company as an owner, distributor, and lessor of Bitcoin machines. You must see significant opportunity for yourself since you are exploring becoming an owner yourself.
Your previous emails were unlike any that we have received regarding a serious inquiry so it might not have gotten a proper response. Please fill out and return the attached due diligence form with the market you intend to operate in and someone will contact you. Sincerely Peter CEO
I just got that Email, haven't responded yet to peter@bitcoinbrandsinc.com. The form was 8 yes/no questions. I mainly want the ATM's because I don't want Peter to find ways to make my investment meaningless & nearly worthless, & to keep him out of the equation. Still nothing about GLI, & he claimed not to know about the debt & shares given away which shows how much he cares or thinks about that imo.
Here is the Email response I got back: Thank you for your note.
Management is working on completing the 10k and 10q.
Our company intends to have a network of automated bitcoin solutions owed by the company and also sold to entrepreneurs such as yourself. We expect to offer turn key solutions that would include hardware, locations, and various fee based services.Regards-Bitcoin Vending Network
And my response:
This is frustrating. Is this response from Peter? Being vague is a tactic to avoid accountability, so is telling others what they want to hear, or being agreeable without meaning it. Considering the debt, & shares given away, a network of ATM's you hope to have is kind of a joke, and might want to include at least 1 ATM in every city, in every state next time you have that dream. Not surprised there was NO MATH in the response I got explaining how you plan to make this PROFITABLE for the shareholders, now that shares are MEANINGLESS! After expressing interest, more than once, in setting up a couple of my own ATM's this response seems unproffesional & discourages me, to say the least. Let's be real, you say you are intending to have people like me buy these, I am here trying, & this is all I get in a response, really? NO specific's on how to actually buy a couple of these? Have you sold ANY like this? After 6-10 & 10-21 last year, & the results now, your claim mgmt. is working on things doesn't comfort me.
What is up with GLI?
Peter made shares MEANINGLESS, nearly WORTHLESS! Master's right this thing seems hype based, not math based. Management is a disaster, & who knows if Peter Plan can even pull this off as a successful scam, or is too busy playing with his...Tweeter? SEC needs to investigate, before Peter hurts anyone else, what about ALTMAN, trading GLI for 3 million shares? What's up with GLI now? Last year we got news that is not AT ALL reflecting the current situation imo, specifically the $3,000,000.00 mentioned on 6-10 & the 45 days from 10-21 we expected to get current. What is really telling is that with all of the debt that has been racked up, & millions of shares that Peter Plan made meaningless, the entire focus of CEHC is apparently on 1 ATM that takes only $2,000 to get started, & no skills beyond using a smartphone. The ATM will still need to have consistent, almost constant business like I explained already just to reach even $15,000 a month. Who knows where it is even located? Does Peter Plan think it will be the hottest thing in town, red carpets & bouncers needed, hours long line around the block? $15,000 a month is still nowhere close to what we were told to expect from GLI. How will Peter even keep that thing stocked if people do buy $100,000.00 of Bitcoin a day? How does the Peter Plan make sense to ANYONE since he made shares meaningless? Even if this does become profitable, who can be proud of doing business like this with Peter? I was supporting GLI, & executive education, not interested at all investing in a $2,000 ATM. I could have set up more than 1 personally & avoided Peter Plan making my investment MEANINGLESS & nearly WORTHLESS. I feel mislead.
Here's the short response I got back: Thanks for your interest in the Bitcoin Vending Network. Your question seems more suited to be answered by someone who deals with investor relations and not retail sales of automated bitcoin solutions. I will forward this to the appropriate person for a response. Sincerely -Bitcoin Vending Network
And my response: I am still interested in setting up a couple of Bitcoin ATM's. I have not gotten a response from the "appropriate person" I think all shareholders deserve to know the current information by now. Is Peter too busy playing with his...Tweeter? At .0016 this doesn't seem to be helping, or working at all for shareholders, who already had their shares made meaningless by the Peter Plan. It makes sense that having NO skills beyond using a smartphone to operate these ATM's would be appealing to Peter. If the entire focus of CEHC is now on this 1 ATM, apparently, it only makes sense I set up my own so Peter doesn't continue to find ways to make my investment meaningless & nearly worthless.
Peter needs investigating! I sent this Email, Hi, I am interested in setting up a couple of Bitcoin ATM's. After investing in CEHC I might as well do this directly. For $2,000 to start, as a CEHC shareholder, I am concerned with this being the main focus recently. I invested more than $2,000 in CEHC to support GLI, shareholders should know what's up. Specifically, the math needs to be explained. $15,000 a month from 1 ATM means 5000 transactions at $3, 5000 bitcoins at $585 is $2,925,000.00! 5000 transactions in a 30 day period, would also mean about 167 transactions every 24 hours, or 1 nearly every 10 minutes.(6.9 i think) That still just makes $15,000 a month, & if the location isn't open 24/7/365 the numbers are more grim. Even charging $10 will take 1500 transactions. Looking at news from last year, 6-10, and 10-21 this is not what I expected. Please explain to shareholders, without vague further delays. Tweets haven't been helping, obviously at .0014. Today is a good day to enjoy Memorial Day, tomorrow morning is a good time to take care of this business. (no response yet, ANYONE know Peter Plan's math?)
Peter Plan needs investigating, this is Bologna! It was almost a full year ago, on 6-10 that we were told $3,000,000.00 expected from GLI, starting August! In October we were told 45 days expected to be current. Here we are in May, and Peter Plan is not current, or even discussing GLI. Peter Plan instead focused on MAKING SHARES MEANINGLESS, which he did not disclose to investors for months, as he continued to make them nearly worthless too. These ATM's apparently only take $2,000 to get started! After investing a lot more than $2,000 to support GLI, & Education, this is like a slap in the face. How many people will even be able to buy Bitcoin from each ATM? If Peter Plan wants to make $15,000 a month off these, at $3 a transaction that's 5000 transactions he expects, at least 1500 if he charges $10. At $500 a bitcoin, it will take about $750,000.00 to $2,500,000.00 to stock 1500-5000 bitcoins. THINK ABOUT IT, DO THE MATH, CAN ANYONE SHOW MATH THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THE PETER PLAN? Bitcoin is over the $500 mark now too! Even if he makes $15,000 a month off an ATM, that's not close to the $3,000,000.00 we have been lead to expect from GLI.
More Tweets! Bid at .0012! No news, TWEETS! How does that make sense to ANYONE? even Peter Plan? pumping up his ATM that only takes $2,000 to get started apparently. Where is ANY MATH that shows Peter coming close to the $3,000,000.00 mark with any of the bologna we have been getting served up? I don't see the math adding up with these Bitcoin ATM's at $3-$10 a pop unless Peter Plan seriously gets his head out of... neverland & sets one up in every major city. At $2,000 each there should be at least one in every U.S. State now for SHAREHOLDERS TO PROFIT. If you look at the number of shares he's given away, 150+ million, it should be at least the $100,000 needed to be in every state. With another 600 million shares on the way though, who knows what scam Peter Plan is cooking up? It seems like a scam's coming that will be so obviously ridiculous that he had to start by taking away voting rights, & making shares meaningless, which says a lot to begin with.
Anyone think SEC should investigate? misleading investors maybe? I feel pretty mislead, after hearing in October 45 days expected to be current, & here we are now at .0014 otc pink limited info says sec reporting is delinquent. Aren't there fiduciary responsibilitys? Making shares meaningless, nearly worthless, & pulling another 450 million out of his...hat again shows that this is more of a scam imo than a real company. PETER PLAN EVEN EXPLAINED IT TAKES $2,000 to set up one of those stupid bitcoin ATM's! I could set up more than a couple, but they still bring in only about $3-$10 a transaction. To meet anywhere near the $3,000,000.00 mark peter would have to do a million transactions at $3, or at least 300,000 at the rip off of $10 each. WHO THINKS THAT IS LIKELY TO EVER ADD UP? MATH? PETER might need one of those in every major city if this is going to EVER BE REALISTIC, but if it is profitable you know HE WILL LIKELY FIND A WAY TO TAKE IT ALL & LEAVE SHAREHOLDERS WITH MEANINGLESS SHARES
Did you hear Peter's interview on Thetechranch? OMG! What tween doesn't see offering a Hello Kitty Debit as a valuable service that contributes to society, right? I guess that's one of Peter's biggest accomplishments. I wonder if shareholders saw any profits from that, or if he took it all then too, maybe even Michael Jordan feels like he is owed some of that $ too now, idk? Who tries to CHEAT EVEN HIS AIRNESS?? The PETER PLAN, ha! This could pop soon anyway, it has to go up soon or Peter will actually have to let shareholders profit if they get in down here & it goes up, my guess is that PETER WON'T LET SHAREHOLDERS PROFIT, & we will continue to see Peter's focus on cooking up ways to MAKE SHARES MEANINGLESS & NEARLY WORTHLESS. Who knows what direction this will go from here, banking, prisons, lunar mining, whatever rabbit he can pull out of his...hat, again, idk?
Shouldn't be any surprise to see Peter's focus seems more on excluding shareholders than actually taking care of business to become successful together. Tricks are for fools without the wit to make it honestly. Altmans trade is what got my interest, & is just one more sign of the lengths Peter will go to & how little he cares. We haven't been hearing about GLI lately. I wonder if Altman told him where he could put these shares, they got crapped on anyway, since the PETER PLAN is to MAKE SHARES COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS.
I'd love to see it hit .03! Why do you think it will soon? IDK, with the PETER PLAN becoming obvious, as he makes shares nearly worthless & completely meaningless. Now is there ANYONE yet who believes Peter is fit to run a company offering executive education?