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All of this is speculative until details are known. No prudent investor is trading shares because someone said so in this forum. They do their own DD and evaluate the risk vs reward opportunity before pulling the trigger. I see a lot of holders/traders trying to speculate aggressively and this in essence sets the expectation and as a result even if the details are positive it falls short of the aggressive speculative expectation and the stock retreats. We have seen this one too many time with this stock.
It's great that EPGL has 'a signed deal' with a company far greater in size than COO. However devil is in the detail. Until then we have a long way to go. The task for EPGL is to put their heads down and toil hard for the road ahead is only steep with competition and for them to successfully monetize and continue to generate value for their long term share owners.
Good luck.
Typically EPGL behaves like any other pink sheet stock i.e. run up to the news and retract on the news. So what we are seeing is no different.
I have no reason to believe that this negotiation will be any different than what COO's was. EPGL does not have the leverage until a patent is approved. This new company that has signed with EPGL could be interested in a specific technology of EPGL or something more. None of this will be known until we know what the contract details are. It could be a development agreement or it could be a leasing of technology for a prototype. The size of partnering entity doesn't matter if the agreement is not material in expectations, which once again is relative.
I have seen this game one too many times with EPGL stock and I just have tuned myself to not set any expectations of this stock. It will save some heart and pocket aches...
Absolutely, they keep having conversations with lots and lots of Blue-Chip companies and have agreements with some as well. In the end, all that matters is what does a contract translate into i.e. what does it mean to the bottom-line?
It need not be immediate but not over 3 years either.
It's undisclosed so let your imagination run wild - it could be a cent to multi billion dollars. Some longs actually believe it could be multi billion (don't know which world they are living in).
But then all of that money is required for R&D so no one is seeing the light of day on that one...may be the top 2 holders see something
Now you know the novelty issue was filed jointly once again hardly anything will be realized by EPGL on that deal as well. COO knew what will get them the novelty they co-patented it without any promise for revenue to EPGL. Now I don't know if EPGL can monetize that again.
All wonderful forward looking statements that I want to believe in which may turn out to be 'not so great news' for EPGL holders, based on historical performance!!!
I appreciate the performance of this stock to date from sub penny days but I don't know where is this headed
Skids...may be this type of volatility invites more traders to the floor - who wouldn't wanna earn 10% in a day
EPGL is going to really stick it to Google...hmmm
This article suggests otherwise. Not trying to be a downer. Trying to understand what to do with my EPGL holdings...Any insights from longs, shorts, pumpers and dumpers?
http://venturebeat.com/2016/01/09/google-patents-a-wearable-that-tells-you-to-take-your-medications-when-you-eat/
I bet the tweet/press release will be something like this:
As mentioned we won't go into 2016 without a press release. Here's the press release...
Press Release:
Hope all of our shareholders and the greater investment community had an opportunity to get the deals on EPGL shares before Christmas and post Christmas. We wish to thank our share holders for their continued faith in us and would like to wish them a very Happy New Year.
In 2016, EPGL will deliver on the much awaited contract as we are even closer to signing the dotted line with COO. Expect to hear from us within the first 2 weeks in the new year.
Note: They never said they are going to come our with any news...that will move the pps...why assume....
I have 4 points to make and would love to hear feedback on what fellow board members feel on each of these
1. I am hopeful but want to be realistic. We expected something similar last time only to find out that there needed some arbitration to continue negotiations. I carry no expectations so as to not get disappointed if the news is counter to optimism that is suggested.
Obviously CVI is trying to get this know-how at the cheapest rate possible. Just because the market is a $50 billion plus market doesn't mean that someone that at the design phase of the technology gets to realize 20-30% of it. Do they? Also is the royalty or comp negotiations annual or for lifetime of usage? Does it matter?
2. Does a chip maker inside iPhone, get paid 20% of phone sales, may be they do they. Or is it that the chip technology is so old and riddled with competition that they don't get to demand such revenues. Just asking. There is the whole manufacturing, and sales infrastructure that needs to be accounted for as well.
3. I don't know what revenue expectations the market has baked in the current PPS in its move from 0.01 level to the 0.05 levels.
4. Lastly, what happens when all the multi-million long share holders go to sell in the market to realize gains, let's say when we the dollar land in the future?
I am curious and hopeful!!!
The latest smart case patent has no reference to EPGL and only under individuals Dr. Markus and Mr.Hayes
So what would happen if they spin off another company and keep these patents (smart case) under that company and outside of EPGL?
This is too funny
Whaaaaaaaat????? (Read it in SloMo for effect...)
I don't think anybody guaranteed this for flippers but certainly somethin positive if u were Long
Now I am happy
Oh oh!!! Interesting developments - so much to digest
So what was Novartis meeting with EPGL for? Would have loved to be a fly on that wall - beeh he he
Let's say, Novartis claim was granted as filed and it covers all sensors, as some suggest, would COO be ok with using EPGL design, if patent granted, and not run the risk of paying royalty to Novartis/Google?
My head is spinning already
No, I had only invested 5% of my assets as a gamble today it's almost 20% of my assets. That's because other stocks have fallen significantly.
I am hoping this would become 80% of my investments, by appreciation, for me to retire. If not, another deadwood stock in my list of non-performing assets. :(
I am hoping that EPGL can update us on status of contract negotiations.
So google did not respond, now what have we seen our PPS soar? Were more investors waiting for GOOG to respond before they decide to invest in GOOG v/s EPGL?
Please someone explain what's "progress in patent prosecution of corporations"?
This is in their latest tweet
I am sure most folks are thinking great buying opportunity, not !!!
I cannot wait for this to move to higher tiers - need less volatile aspects of this stock
Huh? Once no one needs to validation by GOOG they are an established entity.
About EPGL it's still a start up. It has done most things that are not typically possible:
DTC chill lifted
OTC higher tier
MPDD outsourced
New ideas and patents jointly filed
Newer ideas being developed
Newest ideas being conceptualized
I am worried that the last 3 accomplishments should not turn like MPDD
Look at MPDD, what a promising product. I though this would take off and revolutionize the back pain market, instead close to being shelved.
I find that in the past year or so, there has been so many opportunities to inject this technology that EPGL is losing focus on its core business.
Actually, I don't even know how Michael and others in management would define their core business to be.
I feel like their actions are very amateurish like a kid in a candy store, getting easily distracted.
Also with the statement about looking for partners, is COO still in the mix? It has been months of talks correct after the lawsuit threat.
Do you think they, [GOOG], care? The competition does not end with somebody having the technology.
We are interested in big time players buying into our technology to adopt within their products and ready to pay a premium for it.
Also, understand there may be more than one way to skin a cat.
To me as an investor, how are they, [EPGL], able to monetize off of this technology is important and I don't see anything to this effect.
The analogy is similar to a smartest student in class with a GPA of 4.0, what good does this do if such a student is unable to land a job? That's what I am concerned about.
Please open your eyes.
I am long too in this but one shouldn't be blind. I have not seen a revenue generator.
Such PR and continuous promise of PRs every 2 weeks feels like a dangling carrot.
Also a request for EPGL management is to conduct themselves professionally.
Google is not going to care to even read this PR. Something sounds more and more fishy than I want to believe. Demonstrates desperation.
We want genuine updates that demonstrates company's progress than some random 'Sky is Blue and EPGL will become green' update.
I liked the working with financial partner update that sounds progressive
I truly hope we get updated information on:
COO negotiations
Intel discussions or contracts
ATT contracts
Agreeing to work together with any of these companies does not create revenue streams. There is a long way ahead. We want to see how EPGL will monetize this.
I humbly request that EPGL behaves like a 300 million market cap company instead of someone throwing tantrums.
I am reminded of an other company that had great product in the tech space, had Visa backing it but once they moved on, the stock tumbled from dollar range to sub penny.
My request in drawing this parallel is it is important to get the contracts for protecting shareholder value. So stay focused.
Such PR antics may be detrimental to the long term viability, in my opinion.
Could it be Siemens or EMD Serono?
Good to know I have been waiting. I hope they don't PR it as you said. However, they like the approach of generating interest if history reveals anything. Others in pinky land use this as P&D - buy on the hype sell on the news.
And when are we expecting to hear this?
Hmmm interesting week
No word on COO negotiations
No word on INTC
ATT and EPGL in a joint development agreement - not sure what will this mean for revenue
Or Novartis conversations
Now more ideas!!!!
Are longs interested in how fast they are able to whip up and patent ideas? I think they are using the dangling of carrot not sure for what means. It's still pinky and suspicions galore
Please stop with ideas and deliver. Get a CFO? What's happening with MPDD vendor?
Why isn't anyone asking for concrete developments? - there is always something fishy when concrete deliverables are yet to materialize.
PPS fight by Hayes and Team through Twitter is as unprofessional as it gets!!!
I am still hoping for something concrete and taking us higher than the current PPS level.
Please don't disappoint EPGL
Thoughts and Ideas are great. However, I am growing tired of repeated antics through PR and the stock winding back on the news. I hope we are able to break this trend. If this repeats like other times then something isn't working and I am worried it will make the company desperate for pps rise and cause to make wrong decisions.
Recommendations are to continue on the work, bag contracts that generate revenue, develop ideas that has revenue potential and time idea's release to the market. One wouldn't want to release product ideas before the market is ready.
Keeping fingers crossed.
This phase too shall pass...
What is the support to move this anything higher? They have been talking about their product ideas for sometime now. Time will tell if they are able to generate revenue off of these ideas and patents.
There are lots of companies that are developing technology that these giants may be having conversations with that doesn't make anything real. I expect the pinky land mentality to persist until evidence of revenue stream is presented to the market.
Focus on the business not the stock price, let it settle where it may.
As a long shareholder most have invested in the business value not just for the short term return.
Happy to learn of the progress but interested in what's materialized.
Go EPGL longs!!!
Why is EPGL resorting to cheap tweet messages in the recent times? Some of the messages make them (read EPGL) look so unprofessional.
If you have the technology that you claim you do, which I and most longs believe and have invested for sometime now, you don't need to resort some cheap thrills. My 2 cents please take the high road and don't worry about responding to all noise.
Rather EPGL focus all the energy and resources towards bringing patent pending ideas as revenue generators.
Best wishes for a sound and long future.
I think it's the same news through another channel. Market will continue to discount such information until material dollars start to flow. IMHO
I am excited about the news to come. However I still feel that there are too many shares afloat and doesn't fit the demand n supply hence the volatility.
I am worried the same will be true after the news too as there is no SUSTAINED interest in the stock in the market. i.e. Too few new investors
So, the rats can continue to bring the price down with such a little volume. This is just my opinion even though I will be happy if I am proved wrong.
Now if COO negotiations panned out this way, I will be surprised what's in store with Intel, if something is active or with ATT.
Either the contract that they entered didn't have any acknowledgment of EPGL's work or they feel EPGL does not have enough dough to come after them.
This could turn up like Viringo v/s Google issue on patents
Hopefully EPGL is not acting like a patent troll.
Work with T:
Now it seems like new patents are being filed with T. Which I guess is a good thing. But could this be like other updates from the past where all of this is a one sided story and there is no opportunity to validate, see the progress etc...
Work with COO:
We have not heard of any update on the negotiation with COO. Contracting process is usually deliberate process and more times than not, it's a p***ing contest between legal teams. I hope we make progress.
Work with INTC:
Someone in this forum mentioned about a couple of months ago, when INTC interest was revealed, that INTC was changing things at their Hudson, MA plant to make way for a new technology and there was much speculation about EPGL.
Also, in couple of tweets or reports EPGL themselves had indicated future of EPGL will depend on what INTC wanted to do with EPGL. I have been waiting for a nugget about this and nothing has come through in the past 3-4 months. It is frustrating.
It would be good to hear from CEO Michael Hayes about his vision for the company and really address questions related to where does EPGL go from here. Tweets are broad based and silence from leadership just feeds more speculation.
I want to believe in EPGL but it has been over a year we haven't seen any change since the stock climbed from 0.01 range to 0.05 range. I am fortunate and thankful for this return but I am not ready to invest any additional dollar into this stock until more clarity is provided.
Hope EPGL finds success soon !!!
Why does Cooper not release material instead of EPGL?
What does intermediary mean in this release? Negotiations, happening or stalled?
Are they thinking that publicly airing this will help in their negotiations?
Someone please comment on these concerns.
Consistently their PR has caused the stock price to tank. This leads me to believe that the price was already baked in with this information.
The question is:
Did we get anything substantial that was proclaimed that we didn't already know?
If this is how information continues to be released then we will not be seeing a PPS increase for a long time to come.
I am not doubting the claims it's just that there is no validation from any of our partners and it's frustrating for a lot of longs and some are using to create a panic in the short term.
I also feel that each time if I sold on the run up to the news and brought back again after the dip in price with a PR release, I would have made a better return than how it has turned out as of Friday.
Get us some validation EPGL!!!!!
Has anyone heard of this?
http://www.arrow.com/iotimmersions/mobile/
AT&T and Intel are part of this
I have seen this over the past year that the PR if at all gives a momentary boost to PPS or some sort of a run upto the news. Then due to lack of sustained interest pushes the PPS down. This pattern has been constant.
I am not raising my expectations until the sustained interest materializes. It's all paper money for most longs unless we intend to trade like some on this board.
Good luck EPGL!!!!
Just an other day of trading sideways!!!! I am still perplexed that EPGL has no salaries in their admin or I am not reading the financials correctly.
I am waiting for the Vegas party. Make that happen soon EPGL!!!
In the p&l I don't see any salaries. Is that accurate? Any insights would be helpful.
I am a little disappointed with the word 'new beginnings'. Does this mean COO or Intel is not progressing the way EPGL management had hoped for?
I hope there is something concrete coming out of these discussion with T and previously stated partners
Anyway seeing PPS fall is not a good feeling, but then it's all paper money unless realized. Let's hope the PPS will rise this year significantly. It's the 3rd year since restructure, no?
Long n Strong!!!
I think the company mentioned that they will 'begin' the retirement starting Jan 31st, 2015 even in their original PR or messages.
I think some of us may have interpreted that all to happen on this one day.
I think they have been transparent some of us may have rushed to conclusions on this one.
Go EPGL!!!!
Vuzix, a company from NY, claims are joining forces with Intel..... They connect chips to wearables. What's EPGL's role?
http://reut.rs/1DcLUxJ
Can someone please clarify? Also they are claiming Intel is investing by capturing approx. 30% of their holdings