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I can say this has all been very educational, so I wanted to thank CLDR for that at least. I have learned to pay more attention to which market makers are interested in a stock and watch the trading patterns for a few days before sinking a single penny into these pennies. In fact I may have learned that I have only picked one penny out of 40 now that has went anywhere, and that was only up 250% on a small position after 2 months! Perhaps it's time to stick to dollar stocks and minimal gains and losses.
But then another thing I might have learned is I've also started to wonder what it would take to play this same game on another penny stock. Let's see.... You need some sort of news and pumping to build volume. (A few buddies to help with that?) You will need a huge bag of shares to put on the Ask. And you need to beat everyone else into the queue on L2. For added effect, you should have 2 accounts I guess, so you can pass shares back and forth for a few days to build volume. During that time, dumb suckers like me will go "OOOOOH! Here comes a 10 bagger!" and buy in too. Its important to have a big bag though, because you don't want to run out and give the poor suckers a way out for little loss. And finally, you quit shuffling, sit on the ASK, and wait for us dumb suckers to sell back to you at a loss. It's pure genius I say..
*grumble*....
I agree itrader. I'm switching over to the TMX Powerstream, which seems a few bucks cheaper than what Quotestream puts out, but the same data. Unless someone has a better one for pinkies.
I'm UBSS. lol I never see mine show up on iHub L2, of course Thinkorswim doesn't seem to show the L2 for any pennies. This has been my every day sell submission at .0002
I'm just wondering then if it's hopeless enough that we are better off sucking it up and taking the 50% loss and sell at .0001 rather then holding. The only thing I see the lock doing is scaring away prospective buyers, and creating the panic that the MMs want so they can scrape up cheap shares. I mean I can have patience on this one, and step away for months if there is a concensus that this will live to fight another day. But if the odds are good that a RS is coming after they release their new product (at the end of March right?) while the lock is still in place and the stock doesn't move, then a 50% loss might be the best we can expect.
I would but waiting for funds to clear.
Perfect! Thanks!
So reading that, and tell me if I'm wrong... I see a 65M share (.0001) sell at 12:47, and it might actually have been 70,652,776... That just plain sucks! But the flip side is, did anyone on here get some of those? Or is this the opposite game going on... They are going to build fake volume on the low side to give the impression of a sell-off now? Oh the games.
14:37 2500000 at .0001
14:25 7500000 at .0001
14:02 2599998 at .0001
13:26 2499999 at .0001
12:49 5799999 at .0001
12:47 64852777 at .0001
12:38 3000000 at .0001
12:35 2500000 at .0001
12:20 25000 at .0002
12:08 3150000 at .0001
12:01 2100000 at .0001
raw data
0.0001 2500000 OTO 14:37:12
0.0001 7500000 OTO 14:25:55
0.0001 600000 OTO 14:02:26
0.0001 1999998 OTO 14:02:02
0.0001 1500000 OTO 13:27:29
0.0001 999999 OTO 13:26:39
0.0001 4000000 OTO 12:49:26
0.0001 1799999 OTO 12:49:11
0.0001 6100000 OTO 12:47:59
0.0001 9000000 OTO 12:47:59
0.0001 4752777 OTO 12:47:11
0.0001 9000000 OTO 12:47:11
0.0001 9000000 OTO 12:47:11
0.0001 9000000 OTO 12:47:11
0.0001 9000000 OTO 12:47:11
0.0001 9000000 OTO 12:47:11
0.0001 3000000 OTO 12:38:06
0.0001 2500000 OTO 12:35:59
0.0002 25000 OTO 12:20:50
0.0001 3150000 OTO 12:08:15
0.0001 2100000 OTO 12:01:36
Thanks Cassandra, I'm at work and they have java blocked so I can't get to it. That's why I was hoping to get another site to use. I'm dropping Ihub L2 also, and thinking about picking up a new one in a few months. The L2 has really been inaccurate, plus not have Java here means I have to try to remote to my computer at home. IPad doesn't have it either ot I could use that... *grumble*
By the way guys, if you ever plan to cancel the L2 subscription, they word it so when you cancel, you actually still get billed once more and get one more month. Wasn't happy about that either.
Let's get some good mojo going! (Double posted so had to put something in here...)
81,427,776 shares traded? Is there a site I can go to that shows how many were sold at .0001 and how many at .0002?
Haha, I had a facebook moment there and was looking for the Like button...
I have a tendency to be just that... BAAAAAH! lol
I learn lessons all the time with pinkies. Last one I learned is that .0001 isn't as bad as it can get... A R/S of 2500 to 1 occurs and then the price can go down alot further!
I think this is dead on. Slow volume yesterday and squat today in the first hour. This is just phase 2 of that plan. After a week or so of fake high volume, now they sit back on the .0001 and wait for the weak hands to toss their shares on the fire like a losing lottery ticket that's worth nothing. They want that ".0001 per share is better than nothing" mentality to propogate (and for that matter, I am only helping that, huh?)
It's just like Battlestar Galactica! This has happened before and will happen again. We need to find a way to break the cycle. It starts with not selling your shares below your break even, so lets at least stick to that one.
The only thing I ask myself every morning when I see that is... "How did they slide in there already and my stupid sell order at .0002 (whose status is showing as working) which was submitted at 6:50am, still isn't on the board." Grrr
Then the optimism begins its decline.
Just pondering, but volume wasn't big yesterday. Does anyone think it was because there wasn't the same MM at the top of ASK that was on BID? I think I saw HDSN at .0003 all day, so ETMM might be the only one left playing on .0002. Is that a sign of anything?
Good Morning everyone! Here's to the power of positive energy. GO CLDR!
It is looking like everyone is getting more and more disinterested and the frustration is building here. Less and less chatter. I'm going to try to remain upbeat. If I can sell today at .0002, all the better. But if I can't and I continue to be stuck, then I'm just going to keep hoping for that breakout, or that the MM games will finally come to an end... Honestly, what else is there to do? GLTA
Wow, really 79,794,998 shares @ .0001? yuck! That seems really high. So then to have a total volume around 93M, there were only about 13M in .0002s?
I would wager that those .0001s were mostly Average Joe's who heard about the spreading DTC chill on the stock and bailed while they could (if they could). So theoretically, if those same Joes bought in at even .0002, thats $16000 spent, $8000 lost. Just perplexes me to think an MM is playing this game over $8000.... and that was probably a good day where the volume of .0001s was high.
So to go further with a previous post, HDSN fell off .0002 late in the day, so they only had an order of about 13M out there? Could be a good indicator that they are almost done with this game. Or could be that they were nearly out of shares, and are now replenished with 79,794,998 more shares yesterday to play with today...
I think yesterday was HDSN. Did anyone else notice that the volume pretty much died as soon as they fell off the top of the queue? I swear that about the time where we hit 90M, ETMM went to the top on .0002 and HDSN moved to .0003 at that point. On the BID at the top of .0001 was HDSN. So at that point, HDSN's order ran out, so they were no longer able to keep shuffling shares to create false volume, sucking more folks in. Maybe ETMM was busy elsewhere in that last hour, who knows. I'm going to keep an eye on it today to see if the volume suffers when the top of ASK and BID are different MMs.
Exactly how I feel goof. Although it makes me feel like a conspiracist. Lol If you take a step back and forget the fact you have cash sitting on this, it's actually pretty ingenious and as far as I can tell not illegal, even if it is totally evil to do to us investors! As far as I can tell, anyone can do it if they have a huge stack. The only thing that needs to happen every day for them tho that we can't do is they need to get in the queue before everyone else. and the do it consistently.
Really, how the hell do they get in the queue before the rest of us have a chance? I submit orders through ToS/TD at all hours. 8:30am, 7:00am, 5:30am, 10:30 the previous night even. All show as accepted and working in my order screen. Yet, you guessed it, the next day.. guess who is in front of me. HDSN or ETMM. Showing a 7:10-8:15am entry time. and my order typically isn't in the queue until 9:30, occasionally up to a half hour earlier.
It obviously has everything to do with who you trade through, and that tells me the folks on E-trade should have alot less trouble selling, yes? Then I chewed on that a little further and began thinking that maybe the typical Etrade average Joes were cutting into the profits of whoever is doing this so they requested that chill so they could limit things to only their shares being bought and sold. Sneaky?
Not the first stock I've seen this with either, so it seems like this is working as the market is intended to.
And I'm just curious, has anyone here had success selling at 0.0002?
Thanks dream! I have heard that before. I may give that a shot.
ETMM has a bottomless order on both. That's why it never gets to the average Joes... IMO, I think that Hudson and ETurd are both doing the same thing. buying and selling shares internally @.0002, building a false volume to try to entice new buyers in. People like me seeing some good indicators and solid PRs buy @ .0002, but quickly realize that we have no chance of climbing or even selling at .0002, so eventually we tire of having our money here and dump at .0001, where they again are sitting with bottomless buy orders. A nice racket. I just can't figure out how they consistently get in queue before everyone else.
If I may, since it doesn't look like I'll be doing any trading today of CLDR, I'd like to ask a slightly off-topic question. I'm rebuilding my trading workstation and was wondering if others would share the names of software they use. I am on Thinkorswim right now, and honestly their platform is nice, but seems to not cater well to Level-2 on pennies. This led me to start using Ihub for that, but now it appears to not be displaying accurately, so I'd like to replace it too. What do others use outside of their trading platform? I've search through Ihub for forums, but don't see any related to recommended trading software. Thanks
It's easy to feel hopeless with this situation. Buying at .0002 was the easy part, it's the selling at .0002 that has been impossible. 4 days on the ASK now after buying 25M about a week ago and not a single share has sold because of those two hogs sitting there with bottomless orders. All the chill order does, to those of us that can still trade this stock at least, is take away volume and potential buyers.
Only way out appears to be the door that reads 50% loss. Getting into this stock was my worst decision yet. lol
Well put Jaime.
wow, ok. Thanks! I'm not trusting ihub on this stock from now on.
I really appreciate that. So you are seeing it on your TD Amer trading platform? Are you seeing the others on there too?
I subscribed here so I could see the Investors Hub one, because most of the time I don't see anything on level 2 in my thinkorswim/td platform, unless i have an order, then I can see mine and nothing else. I should have been specific about which L2 huh?
Does anyone else have the issue where they can't see their orders on the level 2 for this stock?
I am sure the logic for he/she waiting until .0003/.0004 is that could indicate the shorters are done?
I really want to believe that CLDR has potential! The proposed product concept seems like it could have a solid market, perhaps even being one of the first into this arena, but the bottomless 2s (no doubt shorters) with no price wiggle is discouraging.
Now maybe after a year in pennies, I guess its possible that I still don't understand how level 2 works on micros.. lol For someone who wants out until the shorting is over, how does a typical trader dump their shares when you have ETMM and HDSN with what seems like 100s of millions for sale? Worse yet, they are somehow getting in line during premarket, even though my sell orders usually never show on the board until 9:30, despite submitting them at 7am? It seems like the only way you can sell is if their pile drains down, and then you are risking a sale right at the breakout point into 3s. Of course I know we always have the option to sell immediately to ETMM or HDSN for a loss at .0001 if you like! No win.
And while I'm on a roll, the other frustrating part is I can't even see myself on the board. I use Thinkorswim which always shows up as UBSS, and have a sell in right now, yet I don't see UBSS anywhere on that board. Is my level2 jacked up? Anyone else seeing this?
I never even knew that website existed. lol Thanks for sharing the link, even if everyone else might have already known about it. I can say I've been bought 22M in Feb and I'm UBSS so not sure why I don't see them there. great site tho
Thanks Jim!
Zdenko Vrba has a blank facebook page. Also, looks like a female. lol IE: no help there. or perhaps it should have read Ms?
Anyone have any additional news on what happened to YSX Ventures? I'm still early in my digging on the previous property owner to NWTT. (Or at least one that exercised the "Option" on the property) They sure sounded excited about this venture, and were well funded supposedly with 1.5 Million. Should have been able to get in there and extract something if I read the numbers right, so what happened? Anyone? I'm adding information I found about the previous owner to YSX at the end.
http://www.allbusiness.com/banking-finance/financial-markets-investing-securities/5017192-1.html
TORONTO -- YSV Ventures Inc. (NEX BOARD:XSV.H)("YSV") is pleased to announce that it has acquired an option (the "Option") to earn a 100% interest in a property (the "Property") consisting of four contiguous claims in the Zarn Lake Area, Patricia Mining Division, Ontario. The Option was acquired from Hawk Precious Minerals Inc. (the "Previous Optionee") through an assignment to YSV of the Previous Optionee's interest in an option agreement between Summit Resource Management Inc. (the "Optionor") and the Previous Optionee. Both the Optionor and the Previous Optionee are Ontario corporations and are arm's length parties to YSV. The Previous Optionee is a reporting issuer in Ontario.
The terms of the Option provide that YSV shall have the right to earn a 100% interest in the Property upon the payment to the Optionor of $25,000 on or before January 31, 2005 (which has already been paid), $50,000 on or before January 2, 2006 and $100,000 on or before January 2, 2007 and by incurring exploration costs on the Property in amounts of $125,000 on or before May 1, 2005, an additional $200,000 on or before January 3, 2006 and an additional $200,000 on or before January 3, 2007. In consideration for the assignment of the Option, YSV has agreed to issue to the Previous Optionee, subject to regulatory approval, 150,000 common shares. The Optionor and the Previous Optionee will also retain an aggregate 3% net smelter royalty in any and all production from the Property.
Prior to the acquisition of the Option, YSV had no active business. The acquisition of the Option and the proposed financing described below are both part of a plan to reactivate YSV as a mineral exploration company. YSV also intends to make application for listing on tier 2 of the TSX Venture Exchange.
The Property
The Property is located in the Zarn Lake Area, Patricia Mining Division, Ontario, approximately 18 km east-southeast of the town of Sioux Lookout. The property consists of four mining claims, comprising 35 units, covering an unsurveyed area of approximately 567 hectares. The Property also includes the Alcona Mine that was developed to a depth of 305 feet with lateral development during the 1930's. YSV has received a report prepared in compliance with National Instrument 43-101 that recommends a $525,000 exploration program on the Property to further delineate the mineral occurrences.
Page 6 of http://cnsx.ca/Storage/1010/88741_Form_2A.2-_Quotation_Statement_Execution(revised)-RL.doc
Newco 1 was formed to serve as a holding vehicle for certain assets in anticipation of the Amalgamation. On December 23, 2002, Newco 1 acquired, from 1179785 Ontario Limited, options to acquire (i) four (4) unpatented mining claims (the “New Millennium Option”) in the Zarn Lake area, Patricia Mining Division, Ontario (the “New Millennium Property”), and (ii) six (6) (subsequently expanded to eight (8)) unpatented mining claims (the “MZ Option”) in Catherine Township, Larder Lake Mining Division, Ontario (the “MZ Property”). Newco 1 issued to 1179785 Ontario Limited 500,000 common shares at a deemed aggregate value of $30,000, plus an additional $20,000 cash payment in consideration for the New Millennium Property and the MZ Property.
That's pretty accurate. If it keeps lifting the price up though, it could be pictures drawn by a 1st grader, or a book report on Moby Dick for all I care. lol Then again, it might just be....
Stone Quarry Pictures and Gold Previous Exploration Report from otcmarkets.
I guess this one hadn't been linked either. If it had, sorry for the repost.
http://www.otcmarkets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=42615
along with the last one
http://www.otcmarkets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=42618
http://www.otcmarkets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=42618
Not sure if it had been posted yet or not.
Exactly. I'm glad I have been around this board for a few and know who our regular posters are. Sure, some divisions exist over and sometimes the debate can get heated, but nobody is going to pay attention to a stock unless they want to make money. I still respect everyone's opinions here because I know alot of DD is going on, so I like to take it all into consideration. Oh and many of you have helped me too!
Anyway, that made it easy to immediately recognize the "new" posters who were chiming in about where this stock was going and regurgitating anything they read, true or false, just to suck more folks in.
The folks I pity are the ones that saw the board as one of the most read, came over, saw all the crazy hype, and bought in and are now hoping for that next PR just to recoup cash from those .0008s they picked up. I think their time will come though. After all, this is going to run to .25, right? Or at least that's the rumor.
They went to the bathroom... Oh and lunch before that. So their focus was elsewhere for a brief period. But don't worry, they're back again, and lighter, and re-invigorated, and super sharp ninja focused!
Or maybe their computer screens were blurry so they bought new large screen plasma TVs with the money they made yesterday on their shares so now their screens are in clear again and they can re-focus!
Either way, get ready for another NWTT climb! ha
What I focused on was Canada Corp.
Regarding NWTT new subsidiary Canada Corp; the company is seeking to retrieve geological test results from the previous owner of the property. Canada Corp. intends to do this to share more details about the property and furnish its followers with a better view of the property's huge and untapped potential in the mining industry.
I think moo recognizes that when they put any new news or PR out anytime during the trading day, it does nothing to the price really. It has to build momo and speculation to really take off. Like revving the engine with the clutch in and then popping it. Try to spin out in 2nd usually just causes a stall. Unless its a powerful engine that is.. lol By the way, sitting back on the buy. I really feel like they are gonna do whatever it takes to get another spike. Hoping 4 is the floor.