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Pay we are still hugely undervalued even given the 1.5M Cetek and guestimated 3-4M HTI Revenues and the higher than expected O/S. It is all about "expectations" and because the revenues were disappointing some here want to write off everything good which is totally absurd.
Now we have the newly discovered Fermilab government projects (just reconfirmed by Rams discussion with Barbara at HTI) and of course none of that revenues/work would have been included within the 2012/2013 annuals.
Also the fantastic news that Hilal has finally begun reporting has been overshadowed by the disappointing revenues. Because we were so severely undervalued we have nowhere to go but up from here and way way up once FH begins explaining in a PR what the future government contract means for investors. NOTHING EXCITES NEW INVESTORS MORE THAN THE PROSPECTS OF A COMPANY WITH A HUGE GOVERNMENT CONTRACT.
I will say one thing since Hilal has finally begun releasing at least "something" in my mind he has bought another week or so before he needs to clear the deck with more specifics. If however we hear nothing more within the next week or two, I am in your camp of creating quite the stir over at 19 Commerce St., including contact with the Poughkeepsie Journal, Gov't officials, CNN, 60 Minutes, and whoever else will listen but let's hope it does not come to that.
You are incorrect, both Hybrid-Tek and Belanger have always been referred to as wholly owned subsidiaries of Cetek Technologies as stated within the PR's going back to 2006
Orange you have sadly been misguided or simply have not been paying enough attention to the dynamic and amazing business operation over there at HTI.
While you have been watching the weeds grow in the back yard over at 19 Commerce St and keeping tabs on Hilal's maroon Caddy you have totally ignored (and let me borrow Whatscookin catchy phrase) the bleeding edge technology within the confines of HTI.
I sincerely hope for your sake you merely work as a P/T tool for an MM and you have not personally used your own funds in their little scheme.
No, the financials have always clearly listed Cetek Technologies "as the company" with Cetek Corp as one of the subsidiaries along with Belanger and HTI.
THE REPORTED REVENUES DO NOT INCLUDE revenues from Hybrid-Tek. The subsidiaries for the 1.5M revenues include Cetek Inc and Belanger only. Yes Cetek Inc is a subsidiary of Cetek Technologies.
The crown jewel of the entire operation is Hybrid-Tek. When Hilal last released financials back in 2005/2006 the Hybrid-tek revenues were NOT included at that time either for unknown reasons.
I would guesstimate HTI revenues are betwween 3-4M giving Cetek Technologies a combined 5M in annual revenues. HTI has 16 very high tech skilled employees average salaries and benefits between (80-100K). We currently sit at a market cap of less than 1M due to Hilal's 7 years of silence and the NSS.
Hilal is silent no more and the NSS folks (Orange are you listening?) are about to get squashed !
Ram I believe when Hilal reported revenues from 2005/2006 at that time he again did NOT include revenues from Hybrid-Tek.
Could you pull up and post the last reported revenues from 2005/2006 as I can not seem to find that report at the moment
I will 2nd that! There have been others who have contributed mightily to Cetek DD but no one comes close to what Whatscookin has uncovered and shared with us all. Also lets credit WC with all his memorable phrases ie "bleeding edge technology" and his uncanny ability to interpret and then describe in poetic beauty his thoughts on paper.
Oh Oh , I may have gone too far, I can hear Penny pounding the keyboard now in reply. (just kidding Penny, so relax)
Penemy I want to add one more thing, if Hilal feared too much power control in the hands of a only a few SH, he would have purchased billions of those pre-split shares in the .0001's. Think about it, he could have bought up the entire O/S for next to nothing.
Why didn't he ? Because he doesn't pay any attention to the SP nor does he give a rats ass regarding the best interest of SH.
As Whatscookin has stated and I concur, SH will be seeing a large return on their investment because Hilal has allowed the SP to remain in the toilet for seven years during his silence while he built a Ceramic Empire in the dark of night.
Cetek is one of those once in a lifetime stock investment enigmas like a tightly wound spring that has been wound tight for 7 years and when this thing pops it will be like that of a sweet bottle of champagne.
Penemy I hate to blow holes in your possible scenarios but a few of them just do not make a whole lot of sense. While you are focused on the power of shareholders and believe Hilal may be planning some major battle to be waged vs large SH that is not where he is focused. Hilal has a laser focus on growing revenues and expanding his business and that is it period.
Hilal may despise the flippers and certainly lacks great fondness for long term SH but you as an investor are looking at things from an investors standpoint while Hilal only cares about growing his business.
Also why would you ever believe after all these years of waiting major SH would suddenly dump their shares if there is no PR on Monday? One of your other scenarios that includes an increase of the A/S with total silence from the company is counterproductive to everything else Hilal is attempting to achieve.
Why would Hilal do the 6000/1 R/S to purposely get the SP up over a dollar and then immediately do an increase of the A/S WITH NO NEWS which would cause the SP to sink well below his original goal? He wouldn't.
Believe me I am no fan of Hilal as he has treated SH like trash but remember most of that is a result of him putting his business plans ahead of SH who are always in the back of the line. Now with the NY domicile move, ITAR compliance, $46K revival, the LAST thing he wants to see is the SP sinking because then there would be no new investors to come aboard should he later decide to increase the A/S for future business expansion.
Penemy, I do want to thank-you for all the excellent research you have done and shared on this board, your research is excellent but your theories of what may happen here are a bit wild and crazy.
PS I already checked out and visited the original Display-Tek site some time in 2013 (believe it was on Freedom Hills rd, Poughkeepsie. It had been abandoned by Hilal for several years and when out there I spoke to the new owners who were cleaning up the premise. Whether he has resurrected Dis-play-tek to 19 Commerce St is any ones guess
Captain Rick Apple very well stated and I am in complete agreement...... but you can bet your ships ransom Mr. Orange (No shares held aka Queens) and a few of his comrades will be here soon blasting away at anything that equates to common sense especially any favorable statements in support of Cetek.
Pay, I guess we are just looking at Cetek from two different perspectives. If one holds hundreds of millions of a pre split penny stock and the SP goes up only 10X it still reflects a very nice pay day. Not sure if you are primarily a penny trader (and its really none of my business) but I believe some of those flippers were looking for 50-100 baggers and realize now that may never happen (at least short term).
Personally I own a business and am a fairly conservative investor with primarily all S & P 500 equities and index funds with the one major exception being Cetek.
So you can imply all you want that Hilal will increase the A/S down the road after financials are released and he starts PR's as was his custom from 2001-2006. That's fine you see because for 7-8 years we heard absolutely nothing (zero) and if Hilal is in the position to makes those type of moves it will only be a result of an up list and the news we have been waiting for 7 years has finally been announced.
Pay that's not the point here.. NY domiciled means he has to do certain things here under NY law that are SH friendly, SH meetings, financials etc, where in NV he could hide under a rock forever.
WC and I might add that when Cetek was trading at .0001 and lets say a securities atty was offered 50M Cetek shares as a contingency he mostly likely would have laughed at the offer off as worthless. This will not be the case going forward with an initial trade of between .60- 1.20 per
For the first time in a long time because of the move to NY, I do not feel the legal route will become necessary but it is certainly good to know we have this option in our back pocket !
Pay please see mine of #25539
WC yes indeed , see reasons # 1-7 for only a partial explanation of why only 68 of the possible 500 SH reported in and I will add one more. The duration of the survey was only a mere 3-4 days.
New information is now coming in so fast and furious with so many new IHUB posters working OT that its impossible to keep up with all the new information ie Dr Gordon Love, Multilytics (in PA) AND we have not even gotten to the upcoming juicy/mouthwatering stuff from Hilal that he is compelled to provide now that we are in NY
DISREGARD MY POSTS 607 & 608- I did not see Multilythics had moved to PA until just now with Gordon Love. This thing called Cetek JUST KEEPS ON GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER= MONSTER SIZED
Ram .. Multilythics may have been dissolved by name only as a result of Cetek buying them and possibly the facility remains up and running under the Cetek banner but as everything else regarding Cetek, it remains a mystery
Ram according SC secretary of State Multilytics of Greenville SC was dissolved on 4/17/2000
RESULTS-CETEK SHAREHOLDERS SHARE COUNT HOLDINGS SURVEY
The survey reflects polling data from the commencement of the survey on April 14th through April 17th (midnight).
Sixty eight (68) Cetek SH reported in during this brief time frame
PRE-SPLIT shares owned 2,530,000,000 OR 2.53B
Post R/S share count using the documented 6000/1 (NOT 5000/1)
SHARE HOLDINGS = 421,666 O/S = 866,666 (if pre split 5.2B)
Of course the survey does not include holdings from:
(1) Some of our largest known shareholders (Ace and friends, Home)
(2) Large investors who were buying up hundreds of millions of shares during the mysterious volume spikes over the last 7 years
(3) SH who do not post on IHUB or do not know of its existence
(4) Numerous SH who have not checked in to Cetek message boards
for years having given up this stock for dead
(5 Cetek, Belanger, Hybrid-Tek employees
(6) Hilal's family members and trust
(7) Likely buy back of shares (since 2007) could be as much as
900M thereby reducing O/S from pre-split 5.2B
Given 1-7 I would be shocked if we did not have the float pretty much locked up.
The real amazing stat is 4 known investors who have been here forever and will be sticking around for Cetek party time that own approx. 24.2% of Cetek. Another 5-6 large reporting investors own an additional 10% of the O/S meaning 10 SH own over 1/3 of everything !!
The flippers will be gone (are gone) just as Hilal has wanted all along. Cetek is domiciled in (liberal and SH friendly NY) now and therefore Hilal will no longer be able to hide behind the wild wild west of NV law. This is by his own choosing I might add so the good part is finally just around the corner
Upon further review the "D" applies to new Nasdaq listings BUT also OTC stocks. The link provided by Homeboy references newly listed Nasdaq stocks that have been assigned the fifth symbol "d". The link when first reviewed appeared to imply the fifth symbol "d" was given exclusively to Nasdaq listings.
I have since seen examples of NEW OTC stock listings with the fifth symbol d therefore I must re-track my prior posts on this issue. Sorry for the confusion this has created.
Keith did you carefully review the link within Homeboy's post 25531?
Not spewing only citing what appears to be fact unless the "d" for new is a crazy coincidence but i think not.
CTKHD
Pay, not wishful thinking Cetek will be uplisted to Nasdaq. You need to carefully review the 5th symbol "d". The 5th symbol "d" is the key and the multiple sites I have referenced indicate "d" for the 5th symbol of a "NEW NASDAQ SECURITY ESPECIALLY AFTER AN R/S.
Homeboy nailed it! NASDAQ within 30 days or maybe as soon as MONDAY!
Home- Excellent discovery on the symbol designation and yes I do believe Cetek will be uplisted to the Nasdaq. The clincher is the 5th symbol "d" designating new for newly listed Nasdaq securities as this is just too much of a coincidence coupled with all the other huge and very positive developments uncovered by WC and others over the last few years. CTKHD
I can and will respect your wish to keep your share count close to the vest especially since you have been here since 1999 and may have solved the puzzle to the uplisting mystery. NASDAQ !!!!
Homeboy so we are Nasdaq bound? Could you please post your pre-split share holdings as the final tallies will be posted within a few days
King, please reference Ram's post# 25508 and the official document. Split is 6000/1 not 5000/1
King how do you know Hilal has only a few shares? He or his family members may have been buying during those unexplained volume spikes over the last 7 years.
King, have you reviewed the rights provided to shareholders in the state of NY? Obviously you have not. If Hilal were to do as you stated he would be exposing himself to one nasty lawsuit and unlike in NV he would be exposed butt naked to all. (not a pretty sight I'm sure you will agree).
Please get real, Hilal did not go to the trouble and added expesne of incorporating in NY just to hang himself under his own roof.
I am not exactly sure how things will play out here but your theory is rather preposterous to say the least.
Muga- Are you out there? Please report in your current Cetek current shareholdings for our very important survey-Thanks
DR Larzo-you have been one of our most valued long time Cetek shareholders with an extraordinary ability to analyze Cetek share structure.
I would think of all Cetek shareholders you would be one of the first to report in your current holdings. Hope things are okay and hope to hear from you soon-Thanks
Endwar-Where have you gone? We need your current share count holdings for our important Cetek share count compilation. Please report in.
Homeboy- Please "Come Home" to IHUB and Report Your Current Cetek Share Holdings for Our Important Survey
Chris Booth-If you are still with us please post your current Cetek share holdings for our important share count compilation survey
ACE- Reaching out to ACE, please post your current Cetek share count holdings for our important survey. Thanks
some prefer the suspense......just like everything else associated with Cetek
CETEK SHAREHOLDERS-Please post your current share count holdings if not done so already. If you rarely or have never posted on IHUB we want to hear from you.
Cetek Share Count Survey- I wanted everyone to know when all the returns are in and the results are posted, I will NOT be showing a list of each individual SH with his/her name and share count next to it (LIKE SOME DAM LEADER BOARD AT A GOLF TOURNAMENT).
Besides anyone can easily tally the shares and see who owns what on their own as its all out there for everyone to see
The only thing that really matters is our group effort in locking up up the float and judging by the returns thus far we as a group are succeeding.
We still need to hear from some of our old friends,Dr Lars, Ace, Endwar etc, where are you? We want to hear from you
Well now Rick, it seems the 2 or 3 biggest SH (on the IHUB board) are not on good speaking terms with the man so I defer to Ramspace.
I have to say, although I might be a bit curious as to if the NY tax break was Hilal's main motive for the change of domicile to NY, if I had only one question to ask before the click on the other end this would not be it.
Also agree if it were that easy for existing companies to avoid paying corporate taxes for a full ten years in NY then every single company would simply claim they were expanding. The end result would be NY state would find itself with ZEROo tax base for the next decade.
Penny- noted & documented
Proxy for 5M noted and logged-thanks
Done- thanks for the updated count