susie -- sorry about the initials

you'd think someone so well informed as her would have known, or at least attempted to figure it out

hap....nothing like being a first grade teacher on an informed political message board, eh?...lol!

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how can these people sleep at night?

just watching the liar, creepy liar, loser dems self destruct at every turn is the soothing elixir for a sound night's sleep

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What is reality?

for you and your ilk?.....hmmmmm, how about lying

In a desperate bid to sanitize his gathering and control how its attendees would be perceived by the POST, the MOVEON host emailed talking points to his guests. A copy of those talking points was obtained by the DRUDGE REPORT.

Fazio warned his guests: “Its very important that if you talk to the reporter, you stay on message. Remember, it is quite possible that our event will be the one the POST uses to represent the entire MoveOnPac effort this weekend.”

The key message for the event: “The momentum is finally shifting away from extremism. We will not accept a extremist nominee. This is not about conservatism vs liberalism or Republicans vs Democrats, this is all about extremism vs moderation and we're on the side of moderation.”

The MOVEON host reminded his guests: “We don't want to come across as leftist, liberal activists. We want to come across as we are- regular folks who are finally saying enough is enough to the extremists; that we're not falling for their extremist rhetoric anymore and we're finally going to expend the effort necessary to get our country back.”

Fazio: “Please stay on message and just know that ANYTHING you say can be taken out of context and used against the effort.”

Wake up man

advice from someone who is sleepwalking through reality......now that's rich!

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you'd feel your fear course through your veins

being momentarily overwhelmed by human animal fear in a traumatic situation is natural, and healthy to a degree.......for me personally, that would quickly be replaced by intelligent confidence

you might have to find it out...and i surely hope that does not come your way.

i don't fear death........and if you'd been around this thread for awhile, you'd know that my goal is to actually get that opportunity

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Got me pegged liberal, eh?

nope.....just adding my sarcasm to yours.......wasn't that clear?.........perhaps the soundbite threw you off, but that was added as a general reference to liberal thinking

Fearless here, too

the upside down world of liberal philosophy.....what a hoot!

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fear and vunerability has many disguises

i have not one fiber of fear in my entire being......real knowledge breeds confidence....try some!

a mumble jumble plethora of gobblety-gook platitudes

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I would like to express my graditude to all the firefighters and workers who have spoken out about what happened that day.

except for the ones who planted the explosives, right?

ya friggin whack job!

claim they heard explosives

when an elevator free-falls 80 stories, what kind of noise does it make when it hits bottom?

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looks like the speech police are working hard on this board today.....my analogy comparing a poster to a down syndrome mind didn't last long....lol!.....i reckon the truth hurts, and apparently leads to the standard-fare cowardice approach towards free speech by those who think they own it.......how quaintly liberal!

he hasn't had an epiphany

don't need one, i rely on the observable facts

the proof has been around for thousands of years

so when were you abducted by aliens?....lol!......and did they make you take an alien history class while on board the spaceship?

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yes the age of the universe is a moving target because of more sophisticated technology, what is your point

that the age of the universe(s) is a moving target

concerning the site, why did you put it up if you don't believe in what it says?

are you serious?.......information leads to knowledge and understanding........real due diligence involves reading info on all sides of the spectrum.........if you read an article, does that mean you automatically become an adherent to what it states?.......that's silly........are you saying you only read and post what you believe in?........seems a bit narrow-minded to me

never saw an answer to whether you believe aliens exist

then you didn't look at my past posts..........yes, but not in the form and fashion regarding the fantasies that most people believe in..............einstein's conclusions clearly state that even if a spaceship could be built for maximum speed, the limit to physical matter is the speed of light, which makes space travel in time and space form inefficient.......real space travel is not what has been envisioned, no matter how much they warp einstein's theories..........real space travel is not "of the flesh", it's "of the spirit", and the minimum speed of that travel IS the speed of light.......when and until mankind gets rid of the "star trek" mentality regarding space travel and life in the universe, then they will continue to live in their "everything revolves around earth" mindset

i saw you mention that the idea of creationism has more actual proof than evolution?

you must be looking at someone else's posts...........simply stated, design (which is obvious in everything we observe) with no designer is nonsense........what science calls evolution, the "shit just happens" philosophy, is actually God's precise system of progressive evolutionary creation, all within the realm of e=mc2

you seem to quote the bible a lot

that's because there is kick-ass information in it that can be found nowhere else....period!

is that your proof?

a real truth seeker knows that proofs almost certainly lead to more questions, and real living is the open-minded dedication to this personal adventure

and the article concerning the foot prints that are 40,000 years old, you don't consider that proof?

proof of what?.....and did i make comment on that article?......no.....civilization had it's beginnings in eurasia.....as the populations of the different races grew, this naturally leads to the expansion of civilization in it's quest for new land, elbow room one might say........the red man was forced across the bering strait by the yellow man over 80,000 years ago

i mean im really curious to what you think

then read my past posts

do you not believe dinosaurs existed for example?

yes they did, but as you'll note in my posts, the dinosaur extinction theory is another one of those fantasies being perpetrated as to why dinosaurs are extinct.......but the absurdity of its conclusion does help satify those impatient scientists who simply want to put a convenient wrapping on the subject......have you ever asked yourself how an asteroid strike, leading to a nuclear winter type scenario, where the sun would be blotted out for however many months or years, how only the dinosaurs were the ones extincted?.......all life depends on the sun, so all life would have been extincted, except those species, like certain frogs for instance, that bury themselves in mud and go dormit for many months on end......did man exist when dinosaurs did?....no

would NASA possibly finding proof of life (even if it was some form of bacteria or uni-cellular) on Mars in the next few decades

they won't....the optimum timing for life on mars passed by hundreds of millions of years ago......if life was planned for mars, it would have happened already

prove your ideals wrong?

as time goes on, what i know will be proved right!

you honestly believe the earth and the universe is just a few thousand years old

i merely posted a link that might give hap what he's looking for...........i'm not going to repost everything i've said regarding the subject, so if you'd like to get a feel for my views then look at my past posts

but i will say one thing......hap just stated that science now estimates the universe(s) to be 12-14 billion years old........the age of the universe(s) is a moving target for science right now.....why?.....because science's estimate are only a reflection of how far they can see into the depths of the universe(s)........the more sophisticated science becomes with their viewfinder, the older the universe(s) estimates get..........in actuality, the mature universe(s) are hundreds and hundreds of billions years old

again, please refer to my past posts before you pigeonhole me in some convenient stereotype

and hap, here's a link on the constancy of the speed of light, and don't be confused by those who try and bend and warp time and space, by bending and warping einstein's theory of relativity

The Speed of Light is Constant

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Furthermore, contrary to normal intuition, the Theory of Relativity tells us that light always travels at the same speed relative to some observer, no matter what the relative motion of the observer. Thus, light emitted from a moving airplane does not travel with the speed of light plus the speed of the airplane, it travels with the "speed of light", no matter what the speed of the airplane! In a vacuum, light always travels at a speed of 299,792,458 meters per second, no matter how its speed is measured.

Although this seems strange, it has been confirmed in many experiments. These experiments show that it is our "common sense" that is wrong in this case!

To be precise, what we usually call the "speed of light" is really the speed of light in a vacuum (the absence of matter). In reality, the speed of light depends on the material that light moves through. Thus, for example, light moves slower in glass than in air, and in both cases the speed is less than in a vacuum. However, the density of matter between the stars is sufficiently low that the actual speed of light through most of interstellar space is essentially the speed it would have through a vacuum, so we don't make much error by ignoring the difference.

The preceding statements about the constant speed of light refer to the speed of light in a particular medium, such as a vacuum. Within such a medium, the speed is constant, but light changes its speed when it moves from one medium (say air) to another (say glass). This change of speed at the boundary between two different media is the principle that causes a lens in a telescope or eyeglasses to work.

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/guidry/violence/lightspeed.html

"Creationism".......what are the links

this could help

http://www.godandscience.org/

and this is a quick guide picture tour

http://www.godandscience.org/love/sld001.html

so do you somehow feel important that you've put me in my place ?

i had no input regarding the intellectual toilet you find yourself swirling in.....you put yourself there

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what else can Bush say when he doesn't have a wire attached

thanks for admitting that you're part of the whacko conspiracy theory nutcase crowd........although based on your limited posts, it really wasn't hard to figure out

Bush does have a mastery of KISS.

and it's still too complicated for you, eh?.......hardly surprising, but so typically liberal!.........here's a suggestion, use you're fingers for figuring out how to put one and one together

hope this helps.....lol!

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Caught in a Perjury Trap.....Will Karl Rove Be Indicted?

no, you liar, liar, creepy liar!

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zit -- the evident fact that your own....blah....blah...blah

spare me!

by the way, the reports that Rove indeed was

we're supposed to believe that rove, the most brilliant mind in d.c., the political strategizing genius, bush's brain, is as dumb as a rock when it comes to the plame outing?....puhhhhhhleeeeeeeez!.....what does make sense is when novak broke the story, rove was one of the first to get wind of it, and contacted his political team to see what it meant.......he is gwb's political strategist, you know?......besides, getting a heads up on the next day's stories from an inside newspaper source is not treason

outed Plame and thus directly caused the virtually instantaneous disembowelment...blah...blah...blah

she was a soccer mom in d.c........besides, calimnious distorted disembowelments was her husband's expertise

at the highest levels of dubya's crew, from which it has long been established beyond any question that the Plame leak originated

emphasis, long been established......lol!........could be from a number of civil servant carry-overs in delicate privleged places, too

what punishment would you consider appropriate for those guilty of this foul treason?

hmmmmmmm.....suspend his law license for five years and make him pay $25,000 fine?

in the larger sense, and quite sincerely -- I can't help but wonder if you can possibly be prepared to give your whole view of things an honest reality check if it does turn out that you are dead wrong

i won't be!

Judge Orders Jail for N.Y. Times Reporter

try to think logically (does it hurt?).........if miller and cooper had gotten their info from rove, they would have spilled the beans long ago.......so the real question is, which bush hater are they protecting?

Lawrence O'Donnell

you mean that liar, liar, creepy liar!

anyone see clooney on the morning show?.......looks like he just got himself relegated to the moveon.org enemy list for stating that gwb gave a good speech

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the more brutal, repressive and anti-american their pres is, the more libs will love him

it really is incredible the depths they get to as a result of their hatred

and thanks for the post on ARTII SEC2 CL2.....amazing how simple and straightforward the constitution is, and how twisted it becomes as a result of a historically ignorant "we the people", combined with a press that has absolutely no sense of its prime directive as envisioned by our founders, and which allows the corrupting of the public square, as is highlighted by kennedy, "the hiccup lifeguard"

http://www1.jawink.ne.jp/koji-y/java/jhanabi2e.htm

Although God is able to control everything

God DOES control everything, but in time and space, God does this through the rules of e=mc2

regarding hap's comet comment....."here is some stuff that god is not controlling directly"

a random occurrence such as a comet may seem out of step, but i guarantee that this specific comet, it's exact orbit, it's exact size, it's exact make-up, where it was a million years ago, and where it will be a million years from now (as with all other space bodies) is as readily known and commonplace to the celestial hosts and beings, as it is for us here on earth to know what time it is

He often chooses not to intervene in things and to instead to let what we set in motion play themselves out

it is a very rare occurrence when God intervenes in time and space, especially when He already did by establishing the rules of e=mc2 in the first place........besides, your statement borders on simplistic deism and trivializes the very nature of God

sometimes with just a bit of help or hinderence from Him as it suits His purposes.

hardly!.....you make the Almighty sound like a puppeteer, pulling strings based on whims........the greatest benefits that are readily available to us humans, are the natural result of the choices we make......."doing the right thing", whether in the pursuit of truth, knowledge, and understanding, or just a simple choice we make in day to day life, has amazingly profound consequences..........the same can be said for the natural misery that can come from making wrong choices, especially when we consciously make those types of choices.........kinda like gravity in a sense

we can't force a group of people with a cultural imperative that is substantially different than ours, to act like us.

a constitutional foundation is/will be the hard-fought remedy, and will be a natural moderating mechanism

And by bringing the sects together, and mixing them with the mass of others.....we shall soften their asperities, liberalize and neutralize their prejudices

"The endeavors to enlighten on the fate which awaits their present course of life, to induce them to exercise their reason, follow its dictates and change their pursuits with the change of circumstances have powerful obstacles to encounter; they are combated by the habits of their bodies, prejudices of their minds, ignorance, pride, and the influence of interested and crafty individuals among them who feel themselves something in the present order of things, and fear to become nothing in any other." Thomas Jefferson

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people without souls, free thinking brains, and they are without hearts, without basic understanding of unalienable rights, they really are a waste of time.

a deliciously liberal self-portrait by you.........if you could paint it, you'd be rich!

besides, you lecturing people on how free thinking works?.......priceless!

priceless!........an all-sweeping deliciously liberal rant

Bitter you are, always finding fault with others

never!.......i just don't live like that, dude!......besides, that's your job

Karl Rove and Treason

bring it on!



Lawyer Says Rove Talked to Reporter, Did Not Leak Name
Sat Jul 02 2005 21:05:04 ET

Karl Rove, President Bush's chief political adviser, spoke with TIME mag's Matthew Cooper during a critical week in July 2003 when Cooper was reporting on a public critic of the Bush administration who was also the husband of a CIA operative.

But Rove did not leak the name of the CIA op Plame, Rove's lawyer said again Saturday night.

Robert Luskin said Rove never identified Plame to Cooper in those conversations.

"Karl did nothing wrong. Karl didn't disclose Valerie Plame's identity to Mr. Cooper or anybody else,' Luskin said to the WASHINGTON POST. Luskin said the question remains unanswered: ``Who outed this woman? ... It wasn't Karl.'

NBC's Lawrence O'Donnell claimed this weekend, 'Rove Blew CIA Agent's Cover'.

"Emails will reveal that Karl Rove was Matt Cooper's source. I have known this for months," O'Donnell said.

Developing...

http://drudgereport.com/flash1.htm

what if Rove outed Plame? Would you approve of an indictment and an investigation of what and when did W know about it?

bring it on!



Lawyer Says Rove Talked to Reporter, Did Not Leak Name
Sat Jul 02 2005 21:05:04 ET

Karl Rove, President Bush's chief political adviser, spoke with TIME mag's Matthew Cooper during a critical week in July 2003 when Cooper was reporting on a public critic of the Bush administration who was also the husband of a CIA operative.

But Rove did not leak the name of the CIA op Plame, Rove's lawyer said again Saturday night.

Robert Luskin said Rove never identified Plame to Cooper in those conversations.

"Karl did nothing wrong. Karl didn't disclose Valerie Plame's identity to Mr. Cooper or anybody else,' Luskin said to the WASHINGTON POST. Luskin said the question remains unanswered: ``Who outed this woman? ... It wasn't Karl.'

NBC's Lawrence O'Donnell claimed this weekend, 'Rove Blew CIA Agent's Cover'.

"Emails will reveal that Karl Rove was Matt Cooper's source. I have known this for months," O'Donnell said.

Developing...

http://drudgereport.com/flash1.htm

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US-backed death squads in Iraq

you're from a military family, right?.......growing up, did your family often refer to our front-line marines as death squad members?

pathetic!

one third of the angels rebelled against God and sin.

technically yes they did, but in reality, the vast majority of them were deceived

And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. (rev 12:9)

first, how many different opinions regarding who the dragon is are out there in the christian world?....."oh, it's china, or it's etc...".........there it is right there, the dragon is who it states it is......let the bible interpret itself

remember, lucifer was a created being perfect in all his ways, and amongst the angelic "grunts and peons", the concept and reality that lucifer could even entertain sinning, let alone actually commit sin, was so far removed from their consciousness, that they simply followed (like they had done for millions upon millions of years) without a second thought........sad to say, but deception, especially self-deception, is insidious

We proved in the Revolutionary War

au contrere......you're living proof of the ineptness of our education system, and the staunchly disgusting ignorance of some americans

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good points!

gee, funny how/why we never heard any, NOT ONE, story or editorial from the msm regarding the subject or on that perspective

i'm so mystified!

Bin Laden and Iraq (What the Media Said in the 90's)

nice find!...........gee, before gwb took office, there was plenty of info regarding saddam's al qaeda ties.......but the bush haters, including the msm, obviously don't find any credence in this info...........i reckon in order for them to recognize any ties, the only proof they would believe would be a news conference with saddam and bin laden

but the liberal world sure is consistent with their SNESNEHNE (see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil) mindset, and it is why they are more dangerous than the terrorists

sure wish i had the soundbite from diehard 2, where samuel jackson (zues) tells bruce willis (mcclain)

"i don't like you cuz you're gonna get me killed"

Throughout the document it mentions terrorism and it also talked about all the regions of the world. That post just came out of Afghanistan. In the introductory letter from Clinton he mentions terrorism as a serious threat plus he had his terrorism expert reporting directly to him.

lol!........by using serious words, we're supposed to believe clinton did all he could to warn an incoming president, and this nation's citizens about the dangers that were already here in this country?

and clinton's response?......clinton's solution to remedy this impending danger?.........it's in your post, right after your highlighted portion, and seems to state it all as to how serious clinton took it

The United Nations and the United States have levied sanctions against the Taliban for harboring Usama bin Ladin and other terrorists, and will continue to pressure the Taliban until it complies with international requests to bring bin Ladin to justice.

http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=6830606

gee, that should have scared bin laden enough for him to turn himself in...lol!

again, thanks bill for knowing about it, and for doing absolutely nothing!

perhaps you and easy could keep your bush-munching to yourselves over in tornado alley........why stink up two places?

From the report

hmmmmm.....one parargraph out of 45,000 words to make your whole conclusion?

oh, the obvious begs..........point out where the document states that al qaeda was in this country, because we know they were when clinton left office.........in fact clinton and clarke knew al qaeda was in this country at the time......and yet, no mention of that FACT!

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with all that you say, or that clarke said, or that clinton said, that terrorism was a top priority, that it was discussed weekly......if all that is true, then why didn't clinton warn an incoming president of that...........another words, why wouldn't this heightened anxiety be reflected in clinton's national security document?

put yourself in clinton's place......you're leaving office.....your administration is in a tizzy over potential terror problems.........seriously, what would you do?

well obviously, your statement regarding national security would reflect this anxiety.....did clinton's?

again....not one mention of al qaeda, and only four mentions of bin laden, with the preface in that 45,000 word document stating how hunky-dory everything was

and the context will set you free!............but you don't want to be free......you want to be a slave to isolating one word, or one line, or one paragraph, and pretend that's the end of the subject

sorry dude, i just can't live life like that