waiting for $20 for commons
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DG is this still Bear Stearns lmao
Are we 2 x value yer??
Are we rich?
Still waiting........
In order to stay current on what's going to happen THIS coming week READ last weeks board postings, or for that matter any weeks for the past 2.5 years
Speculation about settlement
Chart breakout news
Trash talk on mm manipulation
Trash talk against Rosen and friends
Pumping about 2 x value
End of week result = nothing
The crooks will prevail MARK THIS POST
This is a done deal just waiting to be screwed or sitting back for another 3 years of absolute nonsense.
This judge must be stupid if after all this she' s still floundering around..
Nothing has changed she ALWAYS punts when a tough decision is needed..
A judge that can't judge is no judge at all.
If you think powerful insiders, billionaires, millionaires, crooks, govermment stooges and elites are just going to roll over and give back billions because they MAY have done something 'shady' ... You are 100% WRONG!!
Even this judge is nowhere convinced there's been ANY wrongdoing and that's after nearly three long years.
Believing stuff written on a message board can be dangerous to your wallet and health...
There are no FACTS (yet) to support any serious settlement numbers that support the WILD speculation written here each day..
Be happy commons stay alive and maybe see a $1..
A few hundred thousand collected over the past few years will be great compensation for the vast majority of shareholders.
If you believe and are a long then not buying at pennies makes no sense and perhaps a golden opportunity wasted IMHO.
No one knows where and when this will end but the Kings of wall street and Washington will drag it out for a few years yet..
I guess that gives all true believers a chance to add and collect more cheap lottery tickets...
Always under 10 I get a few more lol...
there is NO WAY in today's financial environment that wamuq is going to be compensated at levels mentioned on this board..
The powers to be will not let JPMC go belly up and fail in order to satisfy common shareholders..
The law is NOT the law when it comes to completely destroying the 'governments bank'...
You can dream and dream but it's just not going to happen.
IMHO best play is buy as many as u can for low pennies and hope for a $1...
Take it for what you want...
The fact that after 3 years you and posters that pm you still feel the need to write to the court and are clearly concerned about the direction of this case tells EVERYONE here what I've been cautioning about.
This IS NOT an open and shut case. Commons will almost certainly be cancelled BUT as a lottery play buy what you cN easily flush down the toilet!!
All this speculation about settlement day after day is utter fantasy...
SHOW ME THE PROOF! SHOW ME THE NUMBERS!
5 cents and I'm back
Sold at 11 wahooooo
Love this penny game...
As for $$$$$$
That's obviously complete BS IMHO
Flip flip that's the game
Have we settled yet?
Is DG right?
I'll check in next Monday...
and every Monday for the next 5 years...
Great Great Point...
That quality clear thinking is EXACTLY why I'm out of this stock tomorrow but why new voices like yours should be heard..
You state the obvious and an easy punt again for this judge...
Ok so what's new about insider trading? Nothing... They may be found guilty and receive some lame punishment and then the judge just approves the POR ad that's it folks...
Then we"ll have posts wondering what the hell just happened....
There are two sides this case and sometimes it may benefit you to step back...
No more posts from me again... I know good news eh?
Money got settled late this pm.... Yippee no more daily postings about impending settlement talk...
Good luck to those who were always honest, respectful of other opinions and to you I wish you well. To the others who for nearly 3 years have been rude and blinded by greed I wish you well to, but any wamu money you receive won't change your personalities you will continue to be the miserable sob's you are today...
Thanks ilenes for being the classiest person on this board by miles and miles...
IMHO you have never pumped this stock or made mindless fabrications of settlement numbers etc.
You have been great and thanks for your reporting...
Happy wamuq 2012 2013 2014 2015 ,16, 17. , 18.........24
People lie and evade questions under oath and on the stand all the time Tbe question is what will the judge do, what is her next move...
Her history shows us she will punt and do anything to avoid making any consequential decision that firmly puts equity in the money and driving seat.
I've heard nothing to change my mind that this is a total farce.
Like smokers who take several attempts to quit before they do, I finally found the fortitude and strength to walk away from this debacle. I finally feel free having sold today and by Friday will have cash to invest in something worthwhile.
I'll pop in once a year to see how many of you true believers are still holding on...
Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeddd
R u surprised?
Our side has done a lousy job of putting real consistent pressure on these folks for two years and that's why they are willing to roll the dice and are no matter what is written here are not at all concerned..
Look the facts are if u were concerned that jail or prison was even an option you'd be squealing and doing any deal u can. The reason they will be deposed is they feel 100% comfortable they are protected and are ok.
Unfortunately too many people look at this case from one side (ours) and are unwilling or unable to realize there are two sides to this farce..
Thats why I can't stand this nonsense anymore because nothing is going to be resolved for years and years.
4 days and I'm out bye bye bye bye bye bye
Nice story but notice you left out ANY ending...
Some of us just aren't prepared anymore to hope and wait another 3 years for maybe, maybe commons not to be cancelled and to get a dollar or two.
You may want to waste your life chasing rainbows with pots of gold at the end but for me next Friday is it.
Either I hear a true valuation, real numbers, real expecttions of an end date or your favorite poster is gone, gone, gone...
That's nor being negative or unreasonable that for me is being sensible.
I just don't need to tie up another 3 years of my life on speculation and daily posts from supposed experts on a imminent settlement.
99.9% of everything written has failed miserably in coming close to the facts of this case. No one anticipated 3/10. No one anticipated Rosen, no one thought about Suusman being brought on, no one anticipated the weakness of this judge. No one anticipated the hedgies or insider training..
To think this will be tied up in a bow neatly anytime soon is just a fantasy.
You guys and girls have fun dreaming, but after next week I'm liquidating all my wamu stock and investing elsewhere..
Never in the history of a stock has anything like what is anticipated here by posters ever happened and IMHO in this current economic climate it won't happen here..
JPMC is the countries bank. It is too big to fail and IMHO does not have the resources to pay back the numbers loosely thrown around on this board without jepodizing it's own foundation. That's why there will be no settlement for years and if there is it'll be very very minimal.
5 days for me... Tick tock, tick tock...
I believe it was last year you also posted about a settlement over a weekend lol
I have also misjudged this many times and U are going to be as wrong now as you were them IMHO
There is absolutely no indication that anyone is panicking yet... Hey ask all your attorney friends who told us last year this was such a great deal...
Hedgies of course will take stand
Today you can commit perjury in full view of court and on national TV with a worldwide audience and not even get prosecuted...
Can you say Cindy Anthony... Lied to everyone and no one cares...Not going to be prosecuted..
Has Rosen lied?
Has JD lied?
Will the hedges lie? Of course they will...IMHO
So many are so naive to believe that a settlement is anywhere near close... Why??? Where's the evidence. Where's the pressure? Where's the proof?
Up until there is no way out they will fight. They have had solid representation from Rosen for over two years. He has avoided EVERY chance of making and signing a settlement and IMHO will continue to do so for many years... He is in total and full control of Judge Mary and the court...
We may not like it, but facts r facts...
Stock is at 11 cents... No volume, the market is totally convinced there will be no settlement anytime soon...
Good luck to longs... I'm out as of next Friday if nothing changes... Way too many more great opportunities to make money with than WISHING things were different here. No amount of great DD or speculation is going to make cents turn into dollars anytime soon...
I for one think two years is more than enough hoping justice would be done..
It's clear after this weeks farce that only the attorneys are making money and will drag this out and keep it going for years...
Why why why are you surprised??
Don't u understand by now what's going on??
We'll end up with nothing??? Judge will rule against us at the very end... You just watch..
She's just covering herself IMHO
Remember when and why we shot from 4 cents to 12???Because the marker knew a likely settlement was ready to be accepted..
The reason we are doing absolutely nothing for weeks is because EVERYONE knows this is a farce that's going to take years to work out..
This week is an absolute waste of time...
Post me a reply when someone of importance mentions commons are worth a dollar or two.. Until then this is sooooo predictable, so boring, so slow, just burning up millions and millions of dollars..
Congratulations to all the attorneys for making millions please spend it on nice things ASAP to keep the economy going..
Meanwhile us shlubs will analyze everyone of your moves while u laugh all the way to the bank...
Can you even comprehend how rich these guys are becoming keeping this farce going???
A once in a lifetime case to make millions for themselves!
NO MARKET MOVEMENT = NO DEAL is even close
If and when there's a HUGE spike north then get excited
You are correct sir...
That's what this is all about, the tax write offs.. There is no money or commons everyone has been told that time and time and time again but some here just aren't willing to listen..
This is about the taxes and control of the new company from BK... There has NEVER been any sign of any dollar amount mentioned ANYWHERE about settlement. It's a fantasy by board members.
Show me and others here the line in ANY court document that mentions a dollar amount going to commons???
Mmmmmm..... We're waiting!!!
Prosecutions of peeps now looks possible and so more attorneys more waiting more dollars wasted and more years ahead before anything is done..
Meanwhile the true believers will continue to micro analyze every single word as if they have any control over the final outcome..
Thanks for playing tick tock tick tock oooooh we've been hearing that for two years now lol
Chiron I agree 100%
you and I see this the same way more often than not
Going round in circles every month getting nowhere...
The judge is soooooo weak it's so transparent..
All she's going through is the motions and then won't have the courage to vote in our favor at the very end. It's so clear where this is heading...
After all this time it's just a joke to believe Sussman is some kind of hero. Far from it IMHO
Many years to go yet folks.
ilenes.. When is the next court date I have to get my blood pressure pills ready for?
What's your general feeling about where we are now?
Thanks for your tremendous unbiased and quality reporting of all that you've seen and heard in court.
Do you have a guess as to if we"ll see this tied up anytime soon or do u feel that I may be closer when I talk about many many months possibly years before we finish this debacle.
Agreed 100% and stated the same many times
Those that think we are the only ones watching this are shall we say ummm mistaken!!!
The market will 100% show us a day or perhaps two if and when anything REALLY major is around the corner, good or bad...
Don't think for one minute that if this is going to pop to dollars that people aren't going to talk...
Its clear that currently the market sees this as a joke and years away from anything close to any agreement.
Wait a little longer, no need to overpay IMHO because we'll be back at 4 cents before this thing is settled - Mark this post!
Havnt agreed with everything you have posted and I'm sure you feel the same about my posts BUT thank you for your efforts along with many others to try and swing this debacle in the direction of the common folk...
I want to wish everyone a fantastic week-end and a happy 4th..
I'm not sure when, but one day I hope we wake up one day and see this is all over and perhaps, just perhaps we are both pleasantly suprised and reasonably rewarded for our patience.
Again, Happy 4th to the greatest nation on earth...
Geithner to Consider Leaving Treasury After Debt Debate
Bair Leaving as well...
JD the greatest banker of all time to leave JPMC to take over at treasury... Wait for the headlines people,,
Settlement may, just may be closer if this development is true...
No one is going to prosecute the new treasury secretary
Oh this puzzle may just becoming clearer sooner than expected...
My head says years to go yet, my heart says please, please end this ASAP!!!
Happy Weekend to all
Last time there was any significant news we saw the insiders tell their buddies and we shot from 4 cents to double digits in two days with huge volume..
When you see that again that's when we'll know settlement is close.
Maybe days weeks or years but 100% insiders will let each other know first IMHO
100% agree... Now add for another 3-5+ years then you'll be closer
OMG.. What a disaster today...
Years and years to go yet... If your long you are really truly long.
Look up some history of BK's small than this one. Average time can be 5-20 years..
I've been the only voice of reason here for the past two years...
Either stay the course or get out. Always, always have that shredder ready..
Rosen, 7-10 days to settle and commons in control and in the money..LMAO- He is the biggest and greatest twister of words and manipulator I have ever had the misfortune to read.. Joseph Gobels would be proud of this mans lies and propaganda.
IMHO; It may be time to just put wamuq money elsewhere where it can be used to a greater return than likely will be seen here for years. This game is going to go on for many many years
precisely why this talk of immenent settlement etc is fantasy and bogus..
Anyone who knows about legal issues knows that if this is as a messed up case as could be possible...
All we have at this point is more attorneys and more loose ends that will take years to work out
Settlement and dollars? Maybe, but not for a few years yet..
Great response
Let me ask you. Who has been more right than wrong in the past two years here? Me,
On Friday we had 90% of the board once again predicting immediate settlement and a huge rise in share price this week. Once again people here were getting overally excited.
You may not like the fact that contrary opinion doesn't support the theory of turning pennies into huge dollars here, but ignoring FACTS doesn't change reality...
Do I believe we may see some compensation? Yes
Will it be this year or even next? No way
Will it be 2 x value $12++ ? Absolutely no way, that's a joke
Will anyone go to prison? No
If you hang around long enough you may turn pennies into a $1 or more, anything else is not supported by evidence or fact SO FAR!
LOL Another day and another week ahead of nothing but speculation and high expectation that this is going to end soon..
So sowwy but there are years and years ahead of us before this ends....
By the end of this week I guarantee that 90% on this board will be complaining about the mm's again!
Likely we'll see absolutely nothing new today. IMHO
IMHO
Too many loose ends now, too many attorneys involved, too many eyes on this now for it to end swiftly.
I could be wrong and will gladly be so, but we may have entered into a new phase where justice will need to be served at the expense of financial retribution for us..
One thing you guys always do is get ahead of the facts and start imaging settlement is close only a day later finding yourselves expressing surprise and dissapointment about events...
There is a sophisticated, intelligent and extremely well financed opponent here.
They will not give up billions unless there is no other options...
They have tons of options still available and years to pursue them...
WOW Settlement? LOL....
We are no nearer a settlement than we were before the mm's played their tricks again late Friday afternoon..
After 2 years u guys should have learnt this by now..
The sentiment on the board has changed to positive again, by next week you'll all be second guessing it all over again. This roller coaster still has years to run yet...
Settlement. Dollars LMAO
dg I have posted several times I totally respect your enthusiasm and postings. Two years ago you were part of the reason that I got interested in this stock. Z
However. You have been wrong time and time again about this case.
You know as well as I do there is no way we're going to see anything close to $12+ in any settlement... The numbers today are vastly different from years ago. If sometime in the next 5 years this BK does wind down, we may end up with a $1 or $2 but that's it.
Your numbers may be 100% correct but this will be a negotiated settlement whereby no one gets what they want.
Keep up your spirits one day Sussman may, just may start to earn his millions and control this case rather than let Rosen continue to dictate events ....
Still hopefull your 2 x value pans out but realistic of real factual events rather than pure speculation. .
LMAO
Oh hilarious... Never been so close to a settlement... Oh sorry that's just so funny, so far from tbe truth and just wishful thinking...
Excuse me for reminding you that we had Rosen in court state the deal was to be signed within 7-10 days and now we have more attorneys, more delays and the sides are further apart and fighting continues...
Settlement??? Not this year!!
Settlement... Oh you guys crack me up sometimes
Trust but verify... Read the court filings... Anything in their about a settlement date or numbers?
No..
Likely 2 x value by end of year
I can see us at 25 cents plus... IMHO
Maybe a liitle higher even though all the charts show us declining and more likely to see single digits once more. The BK will likely drag on into 2012 and by year end we should be in the 20- 25 cent range..
Or you can believe the other speculation for the past 2 years.
Thanks for asking...
william48
Absolutely... I also find it insulting and very poor that they don't have the decency or courtesy to keep us at least a little updated as to where we are, what they're doing and where they see progress (or not)..
For gods sake they're making millions can't they spare a second to let shareholders know what's happening??
The longer this has gone on and the way Rosen has run rings around Sussman I now believe Sussman has far, far less in his hands than posters on this board think. I think we may still be very dissapointed to find Sussman is all bluff and hot air... I don't think Rosen is concerned about ANYTHING that may come out in the depositions... Rosen is way, way too smart to let any of his people do any deposition if he's concerned.
I have always thought if depositions went ahead then we really have a weaker hand than first thought..
So far we have been late to the game, weak and chasing Rosens nonsense time and time again..
Come on folks.
JPMC just don't have the funds to pay us, that's the root of the problem. I believe if they pay us back, they may well go under. Wasn't that the whole reason this all started...
IMHO... Sussman, enough is enough... You've made millions and millions of dollars, either make your case, get us our $$$ settlement or walk away and let us find someone who can...
Another delay lol This is laughable and getting more hilarious each day...
The court case is becoming the biggest farce in BK history.
Millions still to be made by all the greedy lawyers.
They'll drag this out for years, you watch.
Bear Stearns
Have you noticed the similarity between our case and BS? No neither have I
Have you noticed how we are speedily moving towards closure of this farce? No neither have I
Have you noticed how the volume has risen sharply since we're so close to ending BK? No neither have I
Have you noticed the sharp rise in share price? No neither have I
Have you noticed the positive press realeases from the EC? No neither have I
Tomorrow? More disappointment and delay
nowhere near 2 x value whatever that is lol
I'm not so sure...
Like everyone here I want to see a huge win and $$$ however my consistent message for caution may be more accurate than dg or real...
We r being taken for a ride and being a witness to all that is bad and disgusting in this great country.
Evil, evil people care more about money than human decency.
Rosen, JD etc , they disgust me...
IMHO
She knows the financial and political implications of awarding us anything and therefore ultimately I believe she does not have the courage to do what is right here.
In the past 2 years she has always punted when there is a very crucial decision to make.
Her obvious good relationship with Rosen will eventually be our undoing since IMHO she will be cautious and give us little at best and nothing at worst.
I knew all along Rosens 7-10 days settlement statement was and is pure theatre.
More lawyers are now involved than ever.
This is going on for years and years and years..
Sad but true...
UZ
We r pawns in a game being played by financial and legal kings and queens.
Sit back and either be destroyed or maybe just maybe become the hero...
Either way you and everyone here have zero input as to where this finally ends, so just relax