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It's more than obvious that you haven't done a shred of your own research. If there is a deal with BN, then this thing is as good as in the air.
Why's that? It would all make sense and it would fit together with the original direction of IAHL. BN is no doubt the source of those airframes. It's the logical place to assemble the aircraft or source it as that's what they do. Their pricing is fairly in line with the target for the integrity. If you do a little digging, you can even see that they are hinting towards a new configuration being available. I've also got unconfirmed information that they would be able to assist in certification.
I would love to know if it's Isle of Wight. That would be like peanut butter and jelly.
If he can't put out a press release, then odds are that he shouldn't be telling you any details either.
Mr Bays might not have the ability to stop it regardless of what he says or thinks. It all depends on how the contracts are structured.
In any event, IAHL should be entitled to compensation if Thrush pulled out and it wasn't IAHL's fault.
And if the deal still can be pushed through due to the contracts, it gets a whole lot more interesting.
Furthermore, what is the status of the real estate deal? One would assume that it was part of the Thrush acquisition, but there is nothing definitive either way. It's not uncommon for a company to sell it's real estate and maintain a long term lease for what they use. It returns capital to the company for expansion as well as allows for some other accounting advantages.
There are just a whole lot of things that aren't answered and the forward direction isn't at all clear to me at this point for IAHL. At least with Thrush, there was an apparent plan and a method to execute that plan. For all we know at this point, they could be looking to buy a cupcake factory.
I also believe that Thrush wasn't the only thing going. The Thrush release also gave IAHL some credibility that most pink sheets never get. Integrity is a real project and they are working on making it a reality. The question comes down to: can they pull it all together.
I also think that the rumors about BAE flight systems is a reach. The price of the failed Calspan deal was just coincidence as was the timing of that deal falling through and PVD being in London.
I sold quite a bit yesterday and bought a lot of it back. That's part of the deal with these things. I'm still holding and still own an integer percentage of the stock. IAHL has possibilities but even through their best efforts things might not work out.
I'm still feeling very disappointed about the fact that we haven't heard from IAHL and we got the Thrush information in a round about way. In re-reading the Thrush release, it's not 100% clear that the deal is dead. Thrush doesn't want the deal anymore. But, not knowing the contract, there is always an outside chance that Thrush doesn't have a choice or will incur a penalty to withdraw from the deal. Normally, there is some sort of penalty to compensate the other party for their time and expenses when a deal is canceled.
As much as I like the idea of keeping dealings quiet to avoid problems (like people pestering parties over the phone) I think that there really does need to be some sort of release from IAHL addressing the Thrush deal and hinting at what they are aiming for moving forward. The June 18th release about "deals" is simply too vague at this point given the developments of the last couple days.
It's possible that IAHL is also lost and adrift at this point. They might have had a lot of eggs in the Thrush basket and keeping the eye on that ball to the exclusion of other opportunities.
It would be really nice to know what the next goal in this process is.
Sure, make me sound like the bad guy. Don't shoot the messenger.
I sort of made a mistake by mentioning my link. I can't give it out because it goes to a friend's server and you couldn't get at it without a user account anyways.
It's also nothing specific. It's more like a research report he's been compiling. I got him into this stock and he's running with it.
But, he's dug up an absolute ton of information. I guess that's what happens when you don't have a real job. He's been working hard on linking it all together.
Some of the major things he has come up with are:
The Integrity is the hot market at the moment. The Twin Otter and the Trislander are both going back into production after decades of no production. There are also at least two other aircraft aimed at the 20 seat market. If the Integrity can be sold at $1.9M, it should be a market star. The Twin Otter has about 30 pre-production orders at $3.2M each.
The second area he is big into is the middle east. Things are rapidly changing there and transportation is one of them. An inexpensive and rugged little hopper could be a very big seller in the future. He has some interests in Iraq and Afghanistan who are relying on rotary aircraft. A fixed wing solution is definitely an interest and something that can remain "hot" on the runway is attractive as all get out.
He's been talking to some other people and came up with a raft of aircraft companies and component manufacturers that are in trouble. The right person with some money, vision and enthusiasm could potentially combine these entities, buying them for pennies on the dollar and integrating them. Most interesting is that some manufacturers (a diesel aircraft engine manufacturer specifically) got into trouble. There is a market for the parts and at very generous markups. There was some mention of European manufacturing (Vienna?) for companies like Diamond that are doing well. The idea of vertical integration seems to have some legs to it in the small aircraft area.
There really isn't anything specifically about IAHL or Integrity. It's all circumstantial information that leads to the concept of IAHL and Integrity being a good one.
There was also some information that was posted here from a couple finance companies about IAHL as their client (Eureka and Hyde Park?). He had a little bit more on that.
He still is trying to figure out how England might fit in. He has a whole ton of stuff about EADS and BAE and really, it would take hours to go through everything he has there. There are a considerable number of articles about European aerospace companies, outsourcing and selling off segments. It's like a wiki system that he keeps cross-linking each piece of information in.
His conclusion is to keep buying to your limit of 100% loss risk. The risk/reward ratio, he believes, is firmly in the favor of IAHL shareholders at the moment.
The biggest weakness his research has is that none of it seems to actually tie IAHL to any of this. It just puts the Integrity in perspective as the right product for an emerging market. There is nothing on the players nor the company.
But this is all second hand information and nobody should base their buying nor selling upon what is essentially rumor.
After reading the link I got from a friend, I'm trying to get back in and CAN'T! This is starting to seriously tick me off. I'm still sitting on only 15,000 shares and I jacked up the limit to 0.017 for the balance of 85,000 shares and it won't go through.
Just for kicks, I tried selling 5,000 and it went through immediately at 0.16.
This is maybe too much strangeness for this simple boy to play with.
I've been sitting on a 100,000@.016 buy order since noon. I've gotten 15,000 shares. Got me stumped...
Is someone trying to cover somewhere???
Drawing any conclusions on the financials of the deal would be pure speculation with nothing to substantiate it.
I think Thrush may have turned a corner themselves. They admit that they now don't have the resources to work on Integrity. We know that their recent sales are strong and they may have decided that they now have the sales to justify them going it on their own at this point.
I am truly disappointed that we had to find out about the deal this way. I'm baffled that I was the one to trip over that announcement a day late.
But I don't think Thrush was the only deal. I think some other things are in the works. Maybe they will work out, maybe they won't.
I'm also fairly certain that the nonsense calls from people to Thrush didn't help the deal in the least bit. It only served to annoy Thrush and to draw into question how legitimate IAHL really was if Joe Q. Public was calling to see if the deal was for real.
That's my concern at this point. I shouldn't have found a release from yesterday from another company. I should have been surprised by an announcement from IAHL before that.
I will be very concerned if IAHL remains silent. The cat is out of the bag at this point and they need to address this development.
I may start buying if this keeps up.
No Thrush deal. Which is bad.
BUT, it also means that IAHL isn't just smoke and mirrors. The PR also says that IAHL and the Integrity are for real.
Well, IAHL is legit.
I don't think this is a P&D. If anything, it has the appearance a slump & dump. That's become one of the factors that keeps me in the stock. It comes down to the share count. If it stays 55M authorized, then at the very least this should see some spikes on idle speculation here and there.
There is also the fact that we aren't getting the PRs. That breeds discontent, worry and fear but it also eliminates the P in P&D.
The extra shares that brought us to 36M don't bother me to much if the story behind them is true. You had to expect it. Really, where are people going to make their money with this stock? Nobody can be as naive to believe that the company officers and insiders are going to forgo any substantial benefit from the stock.
But, that all leads to a huge number of shares that shouldn't be trading at all. I come up with 3 obvious possibilities:
#1 - New shares diluting the company - T/A and SOS preclude this.
#2 - The same small number of shares churning - Maybe, but to what end at these prices?
#3 - Market Maker games - Naked shorting? Something else?
There are a lot more, but those are my 3 favorites at the moment.
In the last 30 trading days, there have been 36,531,500 shares traded.
In the last 10 trading days, there have been 17,746,900 shares traded.
This seems like a huge percentage of shares trading. The question necessarily arises as to where these shares are coming from and who is trading them.
If the T/A and SOS are correct, this represents an astronomical percentage of the shares changing hands in 30 sessions. If you consider the number of people who are likely holding and the quantities they are holding, this means that these shares are turning over multiple times per week.
Given that the price hasn't moved that much, the pure profit motivation by active flipping doesn't quite hold. It also doesn't seem like it is active accumulation since the shares still seem to be "flowing freely".
An alternative thought would be that someone is generating volume purely for the sake of volume and doing so at a probable cost. Would anyone have such motivation?
Anyone with any interesting thoughts on this? (other than the usual scam theory as that one is pretty well established)
The commission had to eat a crazy amount of the transaction!
Ok, why would someone trade 600 shares? That's like $13 worth of stock.
Speaking of lawyers and bean counters, has anyone gotten a physical certificate yet? Do they say IAHL on them or are they still using old certificates?
Even if someone is messing with the stock, if IAHL is for real, they won't be able to for much longer.
Any substantial PR should get this moving. If it's particularly good and can be independently verified, the stock could take off.
If you want to feel better, just keep dividing $60M by the total shares.
I could sell here and make some money!
But I'm holding and hope that I don't end up a pig in doing so.
I might have to get out of this thing anyways. I'm starting to get a slight emotional attachment to it. I just really like the whole story and the way it's fitting together. This is either for real or there are some talented actors at work.
As for the volume in the past weeks, I think an appreciable amount of that was people panicking. First, there was the perceived 5/31/08 deadline for a deal being announced. People wanted in before and then when nothing, they wanted back out. As the price dropped, more people bailed thinking they could get back in lower if something good happened.
I also think the there are extra shares floating around out there. I don't believe that all the shares being given out in exchange for services are restricted. But that's not a bad thing. That's a good thing that they would take shares and it's expected.
If the company is buying, that accounts for some more volume and then lastly, I think there are still some shenanigans with the market makers. I don't think they can help themselves, it's just their nature.
So, if that is in fact true, you are holding back maybe your best argument against IAHL and using the veil of privacy rules to keep what might be your last/best argument?
Really, promotion is easy. Especially when you have some if any support from the people you are promoting. It would be child's play to put together a wonderful story about IAHL involving agreements with HAL to provide Indian manufacturing along with BAE designs linked to Thrush engineering and manufacturing facilities and US facilities and that's without making too much a leap and having an arm full of stories, articles and press releases to weave it all together.
And if someone is promoting IAHL, they aren't doing so well.
If one wanted to make some real stretches of the imagination, consider this:
"The company's executives are working around the clock due to time lines in other countries"
Other countries? Does that mean other than the one he is? So more than US and UK ?
And I would like to meet a legendary basher. That would be absolutely fascinating. I have no doubt that I would sincerely be impressed regardless of the ethical issues.
I suppose I should look around for one or at least see one's work.
I try to remain open minded and fair.
I know... it's a horrible character fault.
(But, I'm vindictive, sneaky and hold a grudge for ever. Does that make up any?)
Ok, then get the article from the source.
http://www.livemint.com/2008/02/24235204/HAL-in-talks-to-make-Honeywell.html?d=1
Real journalists? Apparently The Wall Street Journal feels confident enough in Mr. Raghu to be willing to publish his article on a site they are part of. And if you happen to do a little research, you will find that the jouralist in question happens to do an awful lot of work in the Indian Aerospace field.
At this point I have to seriously question your agenda here. One might even speculate that you have some substantial motivation to keep trying to downplay IAHL. I won't go so far as to mention certian terms
If you care to get something to substantiate your empty speculation other than misconstrued circumstantial points of interest or, as an obvious last resort, ad homen attacks then please. Please, please, please present them.
I am all too eager to shown that IAHL is a total sham. I'll gladly admit to being completely without exception wrong. But I'm not willing to do through your empty attempts at discrediting something neither proven true nor false.
Your Google-Fu is weak, grasshopper.
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/HAL-to-make-1-000-Honeywell-engines/316373/
"The engines are essentially used to power turbo-prop aircraft such as the Jetstream of BAE Systems and the Island Hopper of Integrity Aircraft Holdings, both carry around 20 passengers. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jetstream_41
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Aerospace
Hmmmmm.... British Aerospace
You saved on your car insurance?
Sorry, couldn't resist that one.
Anways, actually devoted a little bit of brain power to IAHL last night and can't see where there is any problem with the story we are getting other than it being a complete fabrication.
I'm still betting that there is more truth than fantasy here. I also am wondering what the deal structures are. I've got a sneaking suspicion that the deal isn't a straight forward purchase or merger. I'm thinking that there are some creative minds at work and are going to come up with something a little outside the norm.
What still comes to mind is the fact that IAHL apparently used no less than two different companies that specialize in mergers and acquisitions and they were booked as Q4-07 business. One of those firms specializes in aeronautical deals. I'm thinking that at least the Thrush deal has been in the works for a whole lot longer than we have been aware. I'm thinking that IAHL might have been formed FOR the Thrush deal. Really, once it was announced, it had to have been pretty far along.
I'm also thinking that Integrity was a cover story at the outset. I don't think Integrity isn't viable, I just think that Integrity wasn't the center piece of IAHL. The press releases about HAL(?) in India building Honeywell engines makes me believe that there is progress on the Integrity and that there is more going on than we know about. That press release about the outsourcing of engines to India mentions IAHL specifically. It pretty much ties them to Honeywell and affords them some legitimacy. Since the Indian company and Honeywell both have reputations they likely wish to maintain, I doubt that they would include a sham customer.
I also haven't seen Thrush distance itself from IAHL in the least bit. You deny rumors that could hamper your future. Thrush wants to grow and you don't grow by essentially taking yourself off the market by being involved in a deal.
Maybe.
This still is an OTC stock so the smart money is going to want to see their money back again and they are going to be very wary of dilution so common shares aren't going to be all that appealing to them. There always is the chance that the shares will vault in value, but they will want their money for sure.
I would imagine that there will some sort of senior bonds or some interesting twist with preferred shares and the common shares will be left mostly alone. Dilution is not in anyone's best interest outside the company and that is the group that needs most be appeased.
Really, dilute the share price down when it's collateral on your debt? That will only serve to call your debt and put you real quick in a world of hurt a-la Enron.
So, my thought is that the debt won't be tied directly to common shares. I also think that there will be pressure on the company to improve it's market valuation and that can't be accomplished through dilution. Depending on the structure of the preferred shares and if they are convertible, that might be the course of action. It would still keep pressure on the company to keep the share price up and service their debt to avoid conversion of the shares, dilution of the common and a drop in price.
Then again, they might just surprise us with a really nice private bond placement.
My take on that is:
IAHL
|- Thrush Aircraft
|- Bays Property
|- Integrity Aircrft
IAHL is the parent of 2 aircraft manufacturing comapnies and 1 real-estate company.
Greed apparently drives people to do lots of things. But why continually argue the same empty arguments? Yes, it's a pink sheet. Odds are heavily in favor of IAHL amounting to a whole lot of nothing. I mean, really, you are arguing for a most probable outcome and there is nothing to substantiate it. Next should be ad hom attacks as the dry powder runs short.
It's overly obvious that IAHL has no money otherwise moving through a pink sheet would make no sense. Statistically, going through a pink sheet in this fashion is a clear sign of over reaching your grasp. But, it also isn't a guarantee.
There are valid reasons for going the pink sheet route. I've explored them. If, from what I can gather, this company transferred for the amount I think it did, it might make sense. Has anyone ever really researched going public? Gotten down to sitting in a room with people who would take care of it and haggling dollars? I explored the route and got numbers. For me, it came down to the time frame I was working with as to buying existing or starting from scratch. The numbers get pretty intimidating pretty quickly.
However, once I had shares, the flood gates would open. I had a lot of financing offers that were contingent on having a publicly traded stock. The offers almost universally involved blocks of shares as well as notes. But as long as the shares were private, I had no offers.
In the end, I opted to stay private. The main reason was the inevitable having to deal with the characters that inhabit the land of pink sheets. I know without a doubt to my very core that people calling me to get information would be told in no uncertain terms where to go and what they could do once they arrived. It would be a poor move in terms of investor relations, but hey, I know myself well enough by now to know how that would all play out.
IAHL is moving very much the same as I had planned to. That's what's maintaining my interest. Bits and pieces of what's been said seem to fit perfectly. It's not until you try and read between the lines and make far reaching assumptions that things start looking sketchy.
Bottom line is that if IAHL is really doing what they say they are, it would seem to be going about as one would expect. It's not playing like your typical pink sheet but there seem to be the same shenanigans taking place on message boards. It's one more reason I'm intent on watching this play out. Even the share price isn't moving like a normal pink sheet. This one has some people thinking twice.
As I said earlier. Just play it for what it end up being. Keep your options open and there will be money to be made one way or another. The PRs are describing a horse but that doesn't mean it's not a camel.
Some here continue to call this all a lie. They are free to have their own opinion justified, paid for or otherwise.
But, we can simply extend their logic that everything we are being told is a lie to apply to them also. Everybody lies and almost any information can be twisted to fit nearly any argument.
But consider this extension of the prevailing predictions of ultimate doom and gloom. What if this stock performs much like it has at the hands of it's previous stewards? Say this stock does run up to only $0.40 or $0.50. Is this still a bad play?
Greed and irrational expectations have burned many long time holders of this stock. But there are also many who have profited and profited very well from it.
Even a stopped watch is right twice a day. Even a mirage company can make shareholders money once in a while too. After all, it's the heart of the entire pink sheet system. Run nothing up to something and make money before you are found out.
That gives us 2 options to make money. Option 1 is to play this like it's business as usual. Option 2 is that this is the exception to the norm and IAHL is as promised.
Maybe IAHL wasn't even set up to be legitimate. It's even possible that it has "accidentally" become something.
We had a little corner fast food Mexican place. It sold food as a front for selling illegal drugs. Your burger could be a burger or it could be something else. Funny thing was, they actually started making more money selling food. After a few years, they had a chain of stores and were making a lot of money and they are now selling out for millions.
So, even if those extolling the dark potential here are correct, that doesn't preclude anyone from making some money.
If they are wrong, then there is still the potential to make money.
If we run again in the near term, I will likely trim off some of my holdings. Bulls make money, Bears make money, Pigs get slaughtered. I've been a Pig a couple times and learned my lesson. (Why does it seem that you have to make a mistake more than once to learn???)
Anyways, I think a lot of people are again reading too much into a simple PR.
In a lot of ways, I wish the PR was never released. In it, IAHL as much as admits to breaking the advice of those stock rich attorneys and announcing something. In a deal of this size, I really have to wonder who that PR was addressed to and why. The PR troubles me to no end for that reason.
In the longer view, this would seem to imply a great future for IAHL. I have to believe that we, as shareholders, are going to get diluted in terms of ownership but I don't think it will be dilution in the traditional pink sheet sense and I think it will likely diminish our returns from "wildest dreams" to somewhere between "once in a lifetime" and "phenomenal". Those parties providing funding are going to demand more than their fair share, as is their right. It will just come down to how IAHL will accommodate them.
Regardless, looks like it will be a fun ride.
Wow. Order for 250,000@.014 sitting all day and all I got were 40,000. Doesn't look like I'll get any more at that price for a while.
What time is it in London? EST+5?
Never set AON on these orders. Usually, they are large enough that even partial fills make it worth while. But, every now and again, I get some stupid partial fill that is worth less than the commission.
My last order I put in last week filled 150,000 in 14 trades. I think that was a record for me for most partials.
I put a buy for a few hundred thousand at the ask and it's not tripping. No bites on it at all.
I'm basing my thoughts on IAHL/Thrush being a real deal.
First off, I don't remember seeing anywhere that 5/31 was a deadline. I think that came from someone's discussion on the phone. I could be wrong there.
Second, I don't know that 5/31 was even a realistic deadline to complete the deal. My last commercial property purchases took more than 6 months to complete. Just too many people need and want to stick themselves into the process and slow it down. Attorneys were (and are) the worst. They take to week to say something is ok when they could do it in a few minutes. And, inevitably, you have to chase them down to get the answers. That doesn't even address if you are going into environmentals and financing. Those can add significant time to a deal. I'm aiming to close on a property that the deal was signed 11/07. We are hoping for mid July if nobody else wants to put a wrench into things.
And then there is that whole inserting yourself into something. It's already been seen that there are parties who would love to get into the middle of things and likely sour the deal. There was a PR about some of that. Now, if you keep your mouth shut and don't tell everyone what is going on, the people outside the loop don't know where to meddle. That makes perfect sense to me. When making a deal, I don't tell anyone about it until its DONE. At any point before things close, it's possible for someone to scuttle the whole thing. Contracts have out clauses and they can be triggered by people inside or outside the deal.
My real-world take on this deal was 9-12 months to complete. That's still a ways off. It's possible to do it faster if you ride everyone to do it. But, from what we are told, there is a lot to deal with and take care of. There necessarily are a ton of people working on a deal of this size. Many of them are also going to want a piece of the action.
My current personal opinion here is that there is something real that may or may not come to pass. I don't see the usual pink sheet pump and dump here. That doesn't mean that it won't happen and that it's not the original goal. The sum here just isn't adding up to P&D in my book. It's actually looking like how I would do a deal.
I'm holding for now. I still like it and I don't have a problem in the world with the silence for now. I think any word could have detrimental impact on a deal. Let the shares drop. Maybe the company will buy them back at the lower levels.
They might not be able to tell us. At least that's my optimistic take on this.
I own private shares in 2 companies right now that are working on going public and they can't say anything during the process. They can't even tell me anything other than what they have systematically told me before. They are prohibited from disclosing anything that could influence a person's decision to buy or sell. That's my hope here.
The down side of such silence is that it sometimes is an influence on it's own.
Others have argued that because they are a pink sheet, such rules don't apply. But, it's not a matter of what the company currently is as much as a question of what they are working towards.
This is 110% conjecture based on a few bits gleaned from some PRs. They hinted towards reporting and moving up. Maybe that's all part of the deal all wrapped up in one package.
Maybe those extra shares that appeared are also part of this. After all, how is this going to be paid for? How is the "investment group" going to get their return? If 7M were out and at least 1/2 of those shares are claimed to be owned by people here, where do the investors get their return?? My bet is those extra shares.
Of course, reading all the messages here, I'm feeling less and less optimistic. Maybe we should all drink the kool-aid and be done with it all.
I'm not so sure that this could be considered dilution. It sure doesn't have the look nor feel of that in a traditional sense.
It's also making little to no sense to me that the company would remain silent and trickle shares out. Again, it doesn't follow traditional course.
Going back to where the volume started to build, I added up the total shares each day and over the period, the totals don't seem to entirely work for being the "new" shares to the market.
But the silence remains. That's what has me baffled at this point.
If it was the usual suspects as is claimed by some, the silence wouldn't exist. Some sort of artificial claims would be made to try and prop up the price and let more shares flow. But the shares aren't really flowing either.
Now, as for the contradiction in the reduction statement and the actions, consider that it's been nearly 2 months since that was stated.
Initially, there wasn't enough volume to support that the company was buying back. And, in the two months, things may have changed. The one thing that has been tickling the back of my brain on this is how the "insiders" are going to really profit from this if it pans out. They don't seem to have enough shares and inevitably, there are going to be lots of demands for shares from parties involved along the way. Everyone from attorneys to company employees are going to want a "free ride".
That doesn't even address all the insiders being 100% in agreement with direction as well as execution. I'm sure there are people inside as impatient as those outside.
But the silence has now become deafening. It's either really good (as in what most of us here seem to want to happen) or it's really bad as a few seem to so gleefully hope for.
The last bit that has me wondering is that I don't recall seeing anyone talking about their latest phone conversations with PVD. There were lots of those posts a few weeks ago. Now... nothing but questions.
As far as I'm concerned, my shares are what they are. Nothing. If this goes, then they are worth something, and if not, they join the Legions of Shame along with a myriad of other pink sheet companies.
In case anyone wants to play with some unconfirmed numbers, I've accumulated nearly 2M shares in the last 10 trading sessions. Add that to some other unsubstantiated claims and let your numerical inner child have at it.
As I've said before, I don't think that the Trush deal nor Integrity are going to be the problems unless they are all paid actors. Think about it this way, Thrush is up to it's baby blues with IAHL at this point with zero distancing. Do you think that they would risk their reputation on a scam for a few hundred thousand dollars if that? I'm more than willing to bet that any company such as Dole would not be willing to place millions in the hands of such an organization. Thrush isn't the only game in town but if there are problems we aren't aware of, then there is a slight chance.
The somewhat cryptic stream of consciousness emails we are entertained with do hold some interesting points. There very well may be situations that arose out of the control of the public face of IAHL. Hostile takeover might be one possibility. Think about how inexpensive it would be to buy an enormous block of IAHL. If the story is true, it would be a serious coup. And, honestly, aren't we all guilty of the same? Buying for pennies and looking for dollars. It's The Game.
Now, on a bit more off topic slant, I've gotten PM asking who I am and who I work for. Since I'm a free account, I apparently can't answer you privately. I work for me, I have my own companies, and I have no affiliation with any party I've seen mentioned on this board. I've got an engineering background (multiple disciplines). Investing over the years has led me to a bit of trading/speculation as a diversion. Pinks offer a lot of fun by watching people's responses to the games. I thought I would venture into the fray a little with this one, but if it bothers people, I'll stop.