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Well, your third point is the meaty one
Since all the joint learning by STWA and any client as they go along
could not
be subjected to restraints if it is never going to be publicised
But surely it would be known if TC had exclusive rights of
Any kind I?
Wouldn't that qualify as legally necessary?
Secrecy would be a totally unfair advantage?
Surprised this point has not been clarified already
AND....there is no point waiting for
the kind of information that will not be forthcoming
which will be proprietary...
and why begin at all with an NDA unless you are sure it
works ? ie without needing TC to prove it ??
Voila. Thus I have proved that contracts could
be announced at any time ! (but not today...or tomorrow...)
OTHERS WAITING FOR TRANS-CANADA ????
I find that hard to understand.
How would they structure the NDA, their relationship,
if Trans Canada was the telling factor ?
" we are prepared to do x y z ...but then anything further
is subject to TC "?
This makes the individual NDA;s pretty pointless surely ?
why bother starting the NDA?
GUGS is a Market Maker??
How does that square with everyone/ the cognoscenti
being thrilled because GUGS = Guggenheim Canada
etc???
SO : Analysis Please
We might break out
because
The traders wish it?
Or / and because they are realising
the time is nigh enough
not to risk missing it or losing out in
Some way?
What does "BMAK fell back" mean?
In this context.
And,theoretically, what is to stop BMAK (or anyone else)
reversing this fall back in the future, in ten minutes or
tomorrow?
When you have a moment....
JT - it's possible to read real or
Long term changes into a fall back ?
Or because it's a fall back by those traders/MMs?
I can see why losing a decimal place might indicate
a change of gear....
Glad I asked!
The response suggested a scene from the
Marx Brothers ' film "Day at the Races". .. when
they are satirising the language of legal documents
which seems to go around in circles until you feel
dizzy or tear the contract up..
But joking aside, great. Good to have an even greater
sense of drama re each passing day as well as a focus on
two dates, June 30 and July 31.
Even if it seems tempting to believe that none of this
would be happening unless TC were convinced of Aot's
Efficacy long before a real TC muscle was moved.
I want more than positive absences....Right Now!
Do we know when next month?
How was it worded?
Shi468 - yes, thanks for that
a lot of interesting stuff there
I have seen other comparisons between STWA and the Coking business (SCOK)
but good to see the many ressemblances.
over $10.00 by Christmas...2014.
Or 100.0090?
As in he is joking....about predictions. Or about
the irrelevance of fractions of cents within current
trading conditions
10 dollars by Christmas
Not 9.998
Etc
These remarks are formalities
as required by law
just as the first time investor is exposed to necessary disclaimers
which warn of the dangers and say there is no guarantee of the investor
not losing their investments ..
and so on.
Typical Sano
Whether that idea of money movement is based in reality or not -
(why would it not be or how would you know otherwise?)
More to the point, are you saying therefore that cash is a problem
at this point in our evolution ?
...or are you just splitting hairs as a supposedly objective
sage...actually for the sake of perpetuating the purpose of your presence ?
That, as always with you people, being the only substance within your posts.
WAVESLAVE.....that sounds
very exciting
but what does it mean ??!!
so you don't suffer too much
on a normal day
which is not today
as JT is not around
not sure what purpose is served by any
deliberate mucking around
Where is it and where JT ?
How can a supposedly documented event (on a scanner)
not occur ?
When does a reasonable activity, or promotion,
become something apparently less respectable, ie a Pump?
Back to life on the ocean floor.
Good work Pie
My money would be on the second, client information database
I wonder what the 12.35 timing on the same form was all about - when the promotion was paid for or
due to start
Anyway, maybe the final surrealism/turn-around here will be
a lot of green and changing figures..
leading into the coronation of King Gregg
a good and wise king
who never listened to his shareholders
out of context
JT. Some questions for you.
First, re the chart you posted re all companies lined up
for promotion: there is a column categorised 'cid' (I think)
and
Zero is listed as the only 'yes', the others being 'no'.
What is that?
Also, I really do dispute the idea that Gregg is only getting around
the Trans Canada problem: STWA is not obligated to avoid
the publicising of other news.
And the hiring of a 3rd party to 'outwit' TC would hardly be
un-noticed by TC..It would be tactless, a mistake, surely
Zerosum. Heroic effort.
Very big thank you
Thanks very much Zerosum.
That good post was a welcome reminder.
And stabiliser cf the wilder theories and accusations.
I have no beef with STWA management - insofar as it can be
Separated from PR etc
. Nor do I welcome my
frustrations being taken as such a beef- any more than I welcome
those who use the voluminous and obvious nonsense as a foil for
Views no less ridiculous.
Well said Shi
Myrka? Or anyone else?
Myrka has written with some assurance that all other NDA 's
will not progress until TC has provided its next support.
A bold statement that includes within its implications
that all other findings would be invalidated by TC...
or perhaps the hapless 9 will not even have dared to begin
any tests until TC's next move is known...?
How mighty is Trans Canada!
Or have I misinterpreted what was not intended as a
Causal link...?
.??
Myrka
no change re 9 NDA's ....because all of them are waiting for
TC's display of confidence?
That sounds a most bizarre methodology re what has
already taken place in general, not to mention the
differences between clients already in collaboration
I don't see what other cause you are suggesting tho
With respect JT
I am not an expert on your previous posts
or your views or on how others have reacted to these views
or on your reactions to those reactions etc
What I dearly want to know or to be re-assured
about is that other clients are not going to follow
the Trans Canada method...and (if they are or do) that
our Mr Bonser is capable of a very new tack which management
would endorse,not originate.
Shareholders cannot expect priority or even consideration
within many parts of this process..but I am sure that there
are other ways of representing STWA and its successes and
which change would stop the shareholders bumping perennially along
the bottom of the ocean floor....
This current method itself represents an extreme which is de facto
unnecessary and uncomfortable.
There is a middle way which is a better way - unless all these clients
are Trans Canadas in the making.
Forgetting Trans Canada
I sure hope that the other clients/ NDA signees choose to do things very
differently to Trans Canada...and soon... and with a view to a time scale
that most investors inhabit before their hair and teeth fall out
Upstream, Midstream, wherever and whatever, we need a client
to have other priorities than the secrets of their balance sheet and to
publicise it
Especially since our I R or P R seems unable to make any difference
and we sit and get older and poorer purely in tune with the Canadian
moneybags' capacity to stretch it all out
We need the market to be looking at another tune - ie at 9 NDA's
being tuned into a dynamic timeline and in tune with commercial music
being made by the successful trajectory of the first NDA
ie who gives a **** that NDA 1 is anonymous ? What counts is that it is
successful (big drum) and here come (little drums and woodwind)
NDA 2, 3, 4 ,5, 6..oh and here's the Brass section re new Patents and
(total Percussion section ) the PEG meeting....
THAT is what Bonser should be orchestrating...the tune of SUCCESS
not SECRECY
Thanks Lesl
That does help
A lot of focus on asking the right question
to the right person....when the general answer
is that no-one can know or prescribe how long
these things take.
The silence is looking definitely finite though.
My hunch is Wednesday this week.
Just after I've had to sell more!
Zerosum
To be clear : are you saying that there is no element of personal choice
within these Directors' documentations ? ie that these
filings in no way could have been avoided...? because the Options are
a scheduled formality as distinct from a collective mass Yes Please ?
If so, how about this : that the Filings show that no Directors are refusing
to take up the Options ?! None of them have said No Thank you ?!
Not that I am desperate for any more Good Signs or anything !!
It is very simple
NDA's are about Success and commercial value.that is
How they start and what they are based on.
They can be respected even while test results or new
patents are being publicised.
There is no need for this crippling secrecy on STWA's part.
They can focus on processes, midstream, upstream and
naming no-one....and the positive nature of tests can
be re- inForced by more NDA's being announced, more
Good news, an invitation to Peg
Each morsel of news would be substantive
Not fluff
Precisely because it would fit into a pattern of
success and it's momentum
As it is we get vast gobbits of news comprising numerous
Smaller bits of news congealed together and going
Back over very many unnecessarily silent months
Ridiculous
Well said lesl
Time for a new approach
All NDA's and clients can be respected
While the many kinds of success are publicised
Once it is clear they really are successful and
within a successful trajectory..
Let's hear what Bonser says
Whacky (with an h)
Was not worried anyway, deleted or not.
I very much doubt if you worry anyone
on this board. But don't let that worry you.
Well then Sox
You are clearly a thoroughly sound and successful
Person and investor
And obviously have every reason to be as pleased
with yourself as you appear to be
Learn the difference between 'too' and 'to' and you
could probably start a Sox Cult..
So JT....who is doing what today?
Where is that ton of green EOD tickers?
if that is not being too literal?
My last thoughts for the day
I guess it is important to accept that we never know
what is said and understood in these all-important meetings,
prior to the NDA's being signed.
It may be clear to the negotiators in situ that any intermediate publicity of any kind
would be counter-productive or that not much is negociable until the biggest or final
fish is landed - ie it might be construed as hugely disrespectful or presumptuous
to put out any PR's until the whole final thing is working.
What if it goes wrong and
there is no deal ? Would that be worse with or without publicity before the collapse ?
Maybe STWA tried to involve more Press but failed..but of course they can't really
use the Shareholders as a bargaining tool...." can we give them something now and
then just to keep them happy ?" etc.
Anyway, if this chronic caution has been due to STWA's nervousness re the past or
due to client insistence, it has gone too far : there must be a better way when there
is so much good information which cannot be compromised or compromising.
Well, I guess we will see how our masters, the MM's, will
perform tomorrow, once their forms are filled
A need for a new approach to PR
This is shaping up to be one of my worst days as an investor.
Disappointment, again.
This company is treating the investment community and process like some kind of
secret society : there must be a better way of handling information and
getting more investors in....starting with forgetting of the increasingly
oppressive nature of Trans Canada and by turning that support from TC into
a framework for a kind of positive publicity which serves us and makes the
actual name of TC irrelevant....the processes are the relevant factor and surely
there is a scale or kind of news that could illustrate that successful process
taking place and gaining momentum...meetings/testings ..all the material we now
know being presented as inevitably leading to the
successful outcome we also now know about..??
AND
to use that trajectory of TC's support as a kind of guarantee for the other
8 NDA's or however many new ones have been signed; with all the other news
also in support at the relevant time - rather than always being provided retrospectively
STWA and shareholders should dictate the scale of what is news-worthy : if Trans Canada is NDA 1,
that known process could be presented in support of all the other nuggets..NDA 2,3,4,5 etc all of which processes could have salient details for the investors, all presented in the
same timeline, also further supported by the new Patents being successfully tested,
the new Midstream and Upstream projects also supporting the momentum...being invited to
present at PEG
I wonder how many features of all these achievements COULD, with a slight change of
angle or emphasis, have been presented as really attractive AND substantive facets of
an investment ????
no-one is asking for flashy stuff : Just a timely use of achievements which can be
broken down into details within a really dynamic timeline that is also commercially real.
Thanks JT......But
while I accept the problems of Pennyland and the priority of leaving it,
the scenario you describe comprises nothing other than MM's...
as if there is no other channel or mode of investment or
as if all roads lead back to the same MM bunch....who then
agree between them what suits them best....?
surely that is not the case?
OK JT...But
what does all that MM stuff have to do with the volume today?
It is pitiful, the worst for some time.
Can transactions simply not happen because the potential buyers
don't like the terms being set ?
Points taken JT
But I was thinking more of the potential investors
whether institutional or oil-related
ie those who can see the good news or positive factors
whatever the formal document
or those who wanted to see first signs of
revenue, not forgetting the idea of getting in early.
I have no idea how the traders operate - but it seems
likely that they keep an eye on promising situations and
wait for the opportune moment
maybe our problem is that the potential distance still to
be travelled is so great that these traders have decided to wait
until things are proportionately that much further advanced
at these early stages..
Wow. Worth waiting for ?
after a week-end or so in which to digest the 10Q
and its many susbtantive nuggets
how is the global investment community reacting ??
4,000 shares traded; 2 cents down.
we are always talking percentages of a lifetime with this share !
Gee sh
and what's your explanation?
If "don't you just mind giving us one"?
it's a good omen
A lot of people can guess what's coming
Ideal time for market makers etc