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Multicore, dual-core, and the future of Intel
http://arstechnica.com/cpu/004/intel-future/intel-future-1.html
This year's IDF will go down in Intel history as a major shift in strategy for the company. While the rest of the industry, which has been less obsessed than Intel with pushing the MHz envelope, has been openly moving towards parallel computing for some time now, Intel's company-wide turn in that direction has been more sudden and dramatic.
At some point big SPARC64 boxes will stop
coming and Sun will either have to decide to rebadge
Fujitsu IPF boxes instead or get out of the high end
system business. If it is the former then obviously for
Sun it would be disastrous if Solaris wasn't already
running well on IPF.
I hope you're right, and you certainly appear to know lots more about the server markets then I do, but I just have these nightmarish visions of the days when the Andy Grove and Jerry Sanders pissing contestants, got their Lawyers to waste all that money, and all those years in court, and neither of them seemed to give a damn what happened to their companies as a result. I wouldn't be looking forward to a Deja Vu pissing contest, featuring different players. IMO, if Sun is going to need to do it anyway, then Intel should forget about courting Sun/Solaris, and concentrate Itanium Software development efforts elsewhere. If it is enevitable, and the customers want Solaris on Itanium, Let them tell Sun.
Win Win for intel
The Solaris on Itanium discussion stalls again
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/09/11/intel_sun_solarium/
IDF Fall '04 Everyone has seen the pictures of Sun Microsystems CEO Scott McNealy laughing with Microsoft Chief Steve Ballmer. The two executives tried to portray an image of pleasant compromise and newfound respect. If, however, you thought a similar respect between Sun and Intel was developing around Solaris on Itanium, you'd be wrong.
Sun's President Jonathan Schwartz recently resurrected the notion of the Solaris operating system running on Intel's 64-bit Itanium processor. His reference to the odd pairing stirred up old buzz and lead some to believe that Solaris on Itanic may actually happen. Instead, conversations last week at the Intel Developer Forum have confirmed that Sun and Intel are still mired in a political squabble that puts Solaris' future on Itanium in doubt.
Unfortunately, I heard there's bad blood behind the scenes on this whole Solaris/Itanium mess. The way I heard it, It apparently developed way back, when Sun originally announced they would not support Solaris on Itanium. AFAIK, at the time, intel used quite a bit of Solaris on their Fab Manufacturing Platforms, they wanted to move those systems to 64bit, and when Sun made their Itanium announcement, intel had no choice but to move all those systems over to other vendors, primarily Sun's competitor Microsoft. All of the Manufacturing systems..... except for VMS..... everywhere.
Imagine what a PITA that would have been for intel, switching operating systems as well as 32/64 transition. And I don't know how much licensing revenue Sun would have lost there, but I'd guess it was probably a bundle. The story, if true would explain why it looks to me like these companies hate each other, and that probably neither company has yet gotten over it. On the other hand, you know how these stories are, part truth, part BS., but never the less, an interesting bit of "trivia" IMO. In any case, IMO, unless Itanium customers demand it, I wouldn't be surprised if Solaris on Itanium never sees the light of day.
Atmel Cuts Q3 Guidance
Online Staff -- Electronic News, 9/10/2004
http://www.reed-electronics.com/semiconductor/article/CA452229?spacedesc=news
Chipmaker Atmel Corp. reversed its guidance for the September quarter Thursday saying that revenues would be down 2 percent to 6 percent sequentially.
The San Jose-based device maker had originally guided revenue for Q3 to be up 2 percent to 6 percent sequentially over Q2's $420 million. "The revision in revenue guidance reflects softer than anticipated summer sales, which led to lower than expected market prices for some of our products," George Perlegos, Atmel's president and CEO, said in a statement. "Our microcontroller and memory businesses were the most impacted."
There is a lot of activity going on at the Upstate NY Semitech facility recently. Immersion technology and EUV are going 'hog wild'. I'm pretty close to the facility and am trying to keep up to date on it's activities (it's in the papers weekly here).
*** I would like to see any info you get, thanks. Immersion is really interesting technology, however, I don't know if intel is going to use very much of it. Intel's recent announcement about not using the 157nm Steppers, and instead, to extend the use of 193nm steppers had many in the Industry speculating that intel would need to use Immersion to print 45nm structures until Extream Ultra Violet Steppers came along.....
http://tinyurl.com/4g43p
Intel cancels its plans for 157 nm lithography (Lambda Physik)
To write 45 nm features with a 193 nm source, Intel will need to employ immersion technology, a technique that increases the resolution of lithography tools.
*** But now EUV seems to be progressing faster then anticipated, so Immersion may not be the way intel is looking at going. On the other hand, intel may be using it already in some fasion, I don't know either way, JMO.
http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20040802tech.htm
Intel Achieves Major Milestones In EUV Lithography Program SANTA CLARA, Calif., Aug. 2, 2004 - Intel Corporation today revealed two significant milestones in the development of extreme-ultraviolet (EUV) lithography, a technology for making future microprocessors. The company installed the world's first commercial EUV lithography tool and set up an EUV mask pilot line, marking the move of this technology out of research and into the development phase.
Intersil Warns of Lower Q3 Sales
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/040909/intersil_warns_1.html
MILPITAS, Calif. (AP) -- Chip maker Intersil Corp. on Wednesday became another player in the semiconductor industry to warn investors of lower-than-expected third-quarter sales as it misjudged customer demand.
The company examined customer order rates and now expect to post revenue of $140 million during the period, significantly lower than the $154 million to $160 million range it previously forecast. The new sales numbers are also lower than the $144.2 million Intersil achieved during this year's second quarter.
Vishay Lowers 3Q Expectations
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/040909/vishay_outlook_1.html
MALVERN, Pa. (AP) -- Chip maker Vishay Intertechnology Inc. on Thursday lowered its earnings outlook for the third quarter, joining a number of others in the sector that have warned of lower demand from customers.
Vishay originally expected its third-quarter earnings to be flat compared with the second-quarter earnings of $41.1 million, or 22 cents per share, on revenue of $646.7 million this year. The company did not provide specific financial figures for its lowered outlook in a press release.
Taiwan tech firms' Aug sales sluggish, outlook weak
http://tinyurl.com/5zz56
TAIPEI, Sept 10 (Reuters) - Taiwan's major tech hardware firms posted sluggish revenues in August as back-to-school demand for personal computers failed to materialise, prompting retailers and manufacturers to slash prices to kindle demand.
Analysts say that even the seasonal Christmas boom looks as if it will be weaker than usual after Intel Corp. (INTC.O: Quote, Profile, Research) delayed a keenly-awaited chipset for laptop computers, forcing local firms to put off new product releases.
OK My Bad
Mike Magee has pics. I'm wrong.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18330
"Intel on Wednesday demonstrated....
No doubt the 'droids will insist that AMD has an insurmountable
lead having demo'd working silicon a week earlier than Intel.
I'm thrilled at intel's public demonstration, so not to nit pick, or anything, but so far, I haven't seen any Proof that AMD "demonstrated" anything at all. As I understand it, IDG News Service reported that AMD said they had demonstrated a working chip. I don't recall actually reading about any Journalists that have actually seen this so called "demonstration", and I'm still waiting for ANYONE INDEPENDENT, who can claim they were actually even there for the Demo at all..... except AMD themselves of course. So I guess we just have to "Take thier word for it" (cough).
The question I didn't hear any of these "brilliant Journalists" asking is; "Demonstrated for who? Or to who? The Tooth Fairy? It's the first question I though of, and why no Journalists did? Why you know something..... IMO, There's a fair chance that AMD might have even made the whole thing up.... Just to try and make intel look bad during their Public Demonstration of Dual Core at IDF. Talk is cheap, and so are Press releases. If you have it, show it publicly, but if you don't, then "say" you demonstrated it.
http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/08/31/HNamddualcore_1.html
By Sumner Lemon, IDG News Service
Advanced Micro Devices Inc. (AMD) has demonstrated the company's first dual-core microprocessors at its Austin, Texas, office, the company said Tuesday.
http://www.eetimes.com/semi/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=46200224
By Peter Clarke
Silicon Strategies
Four of the dual-processing core processors are being put into a Hewlett Packard ProLiant DL585 server for demonstrations being held at the company's Austin facilities, the company said.
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/040831/305770_1.html
SUNNYVALE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Aug. 31, 2004--Today, AMD (NYSE:AMD - News) announces it is demonstrating the industry's first x86 dual-core processor. During demonstrations held at the company's Austin facilities, AMD is showing an HP ProLiant DL585 server powered by four dual-core AMD Opteron(TM) processors manufactured on 90nm silicon-on-insulator process technology.
IDF Latest News Day 2
First Multi-Band OFDM-Based UWB Technology Interoprablility Over Wireless USB Demonstrated
http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20040908tech_b.htm
Intel Corporation, NEC Corporation, Texas Instruments and Wisair today showed their products exchanging data with each other in the world's first multi-vendor interoperability demonstration of the Wireless USB and ultra-wideband (UWB) specifications.
SAS, Intel To Deliver Business Intelligence For Linux On Intel® Itanium® 2 Processors
http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20040907corp_b.htm
SAS, a leader in business intelligence, in collaboration with Intel Corporation, will bring SAS®9 to the Linux 64-bit operating system on the Intel® Itanium® 2 processor. This capability is scheduled to be available in November 2004.
Intel Shares Findings, Platform Plans To Better Guide Businesses Through 'Transformation'
http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20040907corp_a.htm
Intel Corporation executives today shared unique perspectives on how CIOs are transforming their businesses through standards-based computing innovations. Corporate leaders also outlined future platforms and technologies to help IT managers accelerate their technology transformations.
IDF: Latest News Day 1:
September 7, 2004
Intel Unveils New Silicon Management Technology To Better Address Computer Maintenance And Inventory
http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20040907net_a.htm
Intel Corporation today provided a first look at Intel® Active Management Technology, a new technology that will give IT managers a new level of manageability over their networked computers - even those that are unregistered, inoperable or turned off.
Intel Discloses Key Emerging WiMAX* Silicon Plans
http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20040907net.htm
Intel Corporation today disclosed key technical details of its upcoming wireless broadband chip for WiMAX* products, which will enable long-distance, high-speed wireless Internet access for homes and businesses.
Intel Silicon Innovation To Shape Direction Of The Digital World
http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20040907corp.htm
Intel Corporation President and COO Paul Otellini today described new silicon innovations that will help guide the direction of the technology industry and provide new capabilities for customers and end-users.
SP2’s nice wi-fi feature gets us Intel connected
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18268
WE’VE HAD NO trouble whatever with the install of Microsoft Windows XP SP2 on our dandy little Centrino notebook, and just checking out the lobby of the Marriott here in San Francisco this morning, we’d occasion to use one of the dandy little features supplied with the upgrade.
Do you need a solution to WXP SP2 problems on your AMD chip? Simple, Get a Centrino. It's a nice article, but what I really want to know, is, who is this guy writing praises about intel, and what has the INQ done with The Real Mike Mageek
You don't seriously think the AMD is going to do well when Intel and the rest of the industry is saying things suck.
No I don't. On the contrary, I think most indicators from MB Makers, Vid Card makers, and Laptop MFG's all show a down Q3, so I don't think intel is an isolated incident, and more importantly, IMO, neither will Wall Street. I think the impact will be negative across the board, including AMD...... Regardless of contrary Droid fantasies on the other thread.
The point (joke) I was trying to get across, was that I was shocked that Mike..... "Slam intel at any opportunity".... Magee, must have been smacked upside the head by the "Fair Reporting Fairy" or something, because he appears to think so too...... I didn't think that he had it in him, and I didn't think I gave an impression that I thought about AMD otherwise, but I know, I know, my "subtle" sarcasm sometimes takes a little getting use to. Sorry
Hey.... btw, did ya notice my signiture emblem? Guess which side of the fence I'm on
Intel has a big miss but is AMD in the same boat?
Obviously this is bad news for intel. But some of the droids are crowing and saying AMD is on track. Anyone disagree? I think AMD is hoping for a big september based on Ruiz's comments. I think intel may already know whats coming in september...and other indicators seem to show that the economy is soft. Do you think INTC will get pounded tomorrow? The PE ratio is already at 17
Bad news, sure. Pounded tomorrow, yup. But..... And as much as I hate to agree with Mike Mageek (Cough Choke, Gag), I think there are deeper, and much more important, and troubling issues afecting computer sales, and I'm allot more concerned with that, then whether Droids are croaking or not.
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=3954569
Mike Mageek..... Reports Fairly
I know, I know, I could hardly believe it myself. Who would have thought, Mike Mageek detecting a trend that apparently so far has eluded the Droids.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18236
Intel warns chip sales below expectations
The third quarter should be a strong quarter for firms like Intel, but the remarks by the chip firm suggest that PC sales are not as buoyant as it had hoped.
Although it did not specify which particular components weren't selling as well as it expected, we do detect a trend here. Sales of DRAM and sales of other components such as LCDs have flagged for some months now.
Further, notebook manufacturers in Asia have reported weaker than expected sales in their own quarterly reports. And Nvidia reported sales were down for its last quarter.
Grantsdale may also have had an effect on Intel sales, as there were delays bringing it to the market and to the channel. On the 22nd of August, Intel drastically cut prices on its desktop processors, but it's too early to see if that will significantly spur demand. µ
One week after AMD said it has demonstrated a dual-core processor, Intel will use its Developer's Forum to provide the first demonstration of its dual-core technology.
I'm announcing a demonstration too. Last week, I "demonstrated" working Cold Fusion. I did it in my basement. Unfortunately, nobody outside my immediate circle was present at the time to verify that it really works, or how well it works, and I didn't do it publicly because..... well, never mind why. No, I'm not just making this up because my competitor is reportedly about to demonstrate a working similar model publicly. No, that's not the reason at all. And no, I can't show it to you publicly, or give you any specific performance details, just trust me, mine works better then theirs
IBM aims to set Intel-backed blade server standard
http://tinyurl.com/445nx
In a move that could create a de facto standard for blade servers, IBM - with the backing of Intel - is making the design specifications for the IBM eServer BladeCenter system available to developers.
IBM and Intel will provide the specifications with royalty-free technology and patent licences, and technical support. It will also offer fee-based support from its engineering and technology services organisation.
Just noodlin' now, but something is wrong here, logic wise.
1-You don't bitch if you have world class yeilds and you can't meet demand for your processors.
2-If demand is so good, why is AMD having a slow period?
3-And another way of looking at it, IF demand is so great, why would you expect it to get better in September?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. :))
* Ummmmmmm, maybe because intel paid off Hector Ruin to say that? Oh wait, I forgot, that excuse won't work for them this time. I know.... I know..... intel "strong armed" the entire planet, yeah, that's it. So, AMD's problems, once again, are all intel's fault. WHEW, I'm glad we got that straightened out.
Intel releases 65nm 70 Mbit SRAM chips — Cormac @ 15:16
http://www.digit-life.com/news.html?108089#108089
According to Intel Japan, with an official press release the company released a 65nm 70 Mbit SRAM sample made using strained silicon technology at its Oregon fab. This is not the first such chip, as in November 2003 Intel released 4 Mbit chip (0.57 micrometer2 cell size).
The novelty has the same cell size and over 0.5 billion transistors. Transistors have 35nm gates that´s about 1/3 smaller than that of a 90nm crystal. Besides, according to the press release, leakage currents were reduced by 4 times.
The press release stresses the reduced power consumption made possible by sleep transistors feature that disables unused circuits.
Volume production of 65nm chips is expected in H1 2005 at fabs in Oregon, Arizona and then in Ireland. According to Intel, the company will try to reduce production capital expenses by using existing litho tools (248nm and 193nm).
* Sounds like some sort of Phase Shift Litho exposure will need to be done, in order to reuse those Litho tools. It works, but reduces throughput significantly, so you need more Litho tools to meet the capacity requirements. In this case, it probably is still cost effective, because there are probably quite a few of those 248nm and maybe some 193nm reuse Litho Steppers available from the demolition of the Fab12 equipment. Since those have already been fully depreciated, can anybody say..... Free tools?
PowerLeap Breathes 2.8 GHz Life Into Old Sockets
Reviving Socket 423 To Almost 3 GHz
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040830/index.html
Today's situation is similar: Intel offers P4 models for Socket 478 with up to 2.6 GHz and FSB400 that it is technically possible to run on the old Socket 423, too. Luckily for PowerLeap, however, there are also some even faster CPUs that don't appear in Intel's specs: we received 2.8 GHz for the test; according to PowerLeap, 3.0 GHz models with FSB400 are available as well. While not exactly a steal for $349/€319, the 2.8 GHz version we tested can be had for $249/€219 and is not significantly slower.
Intel adds 90nm Celeron M mobiles
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/31/intel_ships_90nm_celeron_m/
Intel today extended its Celeron M 3xx family with a pair of processors providing 1MB of on-die L2 cache, double the 512KB built into the current line up.
IBM announces Intel Dothan Thinkpad
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18184
BIG BLUE SAID it has released a version of its Thinkpad notebooks which uses the Dothan 1.6GHz microprocessor, otherwise known as the 725......
Intel Updates on 65nm
http://www.reed-electronics.com/semiconductor/article/CA448633?spacedesc=news
More specific information on dielectrics, number of Cu layers, etc.
Samsung says half of all notebooks to adopt DDR2 by 1Q 2005
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20040831A4013.html
Samsung Electronics is claiming demand for DDR2 will pick up, on expectation that fully half of new notebooks models planned for launch in the first quarter of 2005 will adopt DDR2 memory, according to sources in Taiwan.
Second, our tests don’t reveal a clear performance leader among the topmost models of the Pentium 4 and Athlon 64 series. It would be imprudent to claim that a particular CPU architecture suits better for playing Doom 3: the Athlon 64 FX-53 is about as fast as the Pentium 4 Extreme Edition and the Athlon 64 3800+ equals the Pentium 4 560. We could continue drawing parallels longer, though.
The older Athlon XP CPU family cannot compete with the new Pentium 4 and Athlon 64 models anymore.
X-BIT Labs "must" have been paid off by intel.... No wait, I mean, it's Overclockers "Ed" that was paid.... No wait.... ummmmmm I mean, it was Anand that was paid..... no wait, a mistake, a mistake, who was paid off was..... Tom's Hardware Guide....... no, wait, wait, really, the person paid off was..... Oliver Friedrichs, senior manager of Symantec's virus response team....... no, wait, I mean..... ummmmmmmmm...... shoot, can I please get a Droid to help me keep this all straight? Thanks
Intel continued to be the fourth-largest supplier of flash memory, with a market share of 13.7 percent, compared to 10.3 percent in Q1. The company posted the best performance of all suppliers, with its revenue growing 40.8 percent from Q1 to reach $587 million in Q2, and its market share increasing by 3.4 percentage points."
Looks like intel took some market share from the top 2 nand producers while AMD/spansion grew but at a much slower pace.
I'm more concerned about the growth rates, then who took it from whom. After intel's flash pricing fiasco, I was hoping for some sort of strong turn around, which would show that intel still has the technology the vendors want, just that they were pissid off at intel's pricing. Seems like I got my wish. As flash contracts expire with other vendors, I anticipate the other "little lost lambs", will return to the fold. The infinitesimal Spansion growth rate compared to intel was just gravy
What I Don't Get.....
Is, where are the 50 billion stories covering this SP2/NX/AMD issue on the Inquirer? If this was an intel chip affected, ole Mike Mageek would have already done a 4 part expose on it. Why don't I even see it mentioned on their page? Am I just missing it?
http://www.theinquirer.net/
Microsoft recommends uninstalling SP2 to some AMD users
http://blogs.zdnet.com/index.php?p=406
According to a recently published article in Microsoft’s on-line Knowledge Base (KB), the hardware-enforced "no-execute" (NX) buffer-overflow protection that SP2 introduced to Windows XP – known as Data Execution Prevention (DEP) – has caught its first offender and it’s a legitimate piece of software (a driver, in this case). Though such incompatibilities weren’t unexpected and can usually be overcome (see below), the resulting behavior on afflicted systems goes a bit beyond what Microsoft says will happen if a DEP violation is detected and, worse, the only guaranteed fix in this case is to uninstall SP2.
Windows update conflicts with AMD
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-5326707.html
A problem in the Service Pack 2 update for Windows XP may keep owners of AMD-based computers from using the long-awaited security package under certain circumstances, according to Microsoft.
In an article posted in the Knowledge Base section of its Web site, Microsoft says that Service Pack 2 may not work with computers running Advanced Micro Devices' 64-bit microprocessors. The Redmond, Wash.-based company said earlier that owners of such PCs may want to bypass the update completely, but has now come up with a workaround.
AMD's 64-bit chips include the Athlon 64 for PCs and the Opteron for servers........
Microsoft says users may be able to resolve the problem by configuring a so-called DEP exception. AMD also recommends that people affected by the problem do so. Otherwise, Microsoft advises AMD users to remove SP2 altogether........
Well, maybe that is a bit of an exageration, but being the big guy means you really are not allowed much latitude.
True, of course, when you are #1, everyone expects perfection every time, and people always tend to root for the underdog, I understand that, and I even do it myself on occasion I hate to dump cliche's on people, but IMO the thing that folks need to remember, is that "David" was an exception, not the rule, and if Goliath didn't die on the first shot, just imagine what would have happened to David, next.
To understand how difficult this is in hardware, we just need to realize Intel is implementing it with a stepping to the P4, without even doing a new design, or calling it any sort of new product. The hardware on this one is a "no brainer"; microsoft has to do all the heavy lifting.
--Alan
I hadn't heard that, but I admit I don't have much information at all on intel's NX implementation. Make Bill Gates work for a change? Sounds good to me
This seems to say that if some program executes codes from protected memory in kernel mode, the machine will crash.
In other words, this essentially says to the virus-writers of the world, "Don't do this or I'll kill myself." This is hardly going to deter such people; it's more like a "Kick me" sign. With instructions.
So what does that make now, 3 issues with NX? Unbelievable. No, not that it's happened, but that Bill Gates didn't tell Jerry (on my knees for ya Bill) Sanders, and Hector RuiN about this beforehand. Maybe it was that Jerry getting down on his knees and kissing his ass in Court wasn't enough for ole B.G. Maybe Jerry should have also su..... Ummmmmm, never mind.
Proof of concept virus, random reboots, and system crashes. Yeah, I can "see" what an "Advanced Virus Protection" NX is...... You're "protected" from virus's, because you can't keep the darn machine running right, for long enough, to get one
More NX Issues.......
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18094
Windows XP SP2 a tad borked on AMD64 chips
Repeated re-boots. So what's that about the NX flag?
MICROSOFT HAS ISSUED a Knowledge Base article which says that if you install Windows XP SP2 on a machine with an AMD 64-bit chip your computer may repeatedly re-start.
The workaround, said Microsoft, is to remove Windows XP SP2 from your computer.
So let's get this right. You buy an AMD64 machine because you want the extra protection the NX feature will give you. That causes your machine to repeatedly re-start. So you have to remove SP2 which supports this nifty AMD feature.
*** (Patient) Doctor.... Doctor..... my arm always hurts when I do this...
*** (Doctor) Then don't do that
One of the questions posed by the "Tap Dancers" to the revelation of the first AMD64 virus was something like.... Isn't it still better to have NX then not have it. Based on random reboots in SP2, IMO, I guess my answer now to that question is.... No. But, not to worry, I'm sure Microsoft will get it all worked out..... By the time intel introduces it's NX implementation, that is.
I bet Mike Mageek..... ummmmm, I mean "The Inquirer Staff" (cough) almost choked, writing that article. I guess the Droids are finding out something the intel fans have known for a long time..... Being the first to do something, isn't necessarily always all it's cracked up to be
Semi, can't wait for the lawsuits to roll in once AMD (or Microsoft or Intel for that matter) starts marketing its products based on security.
I sure do remember it. Rediculous, although..... I'm considering taking my next vacation in Madison County, Illinois, ie: "The Class Action County", and then maybe I can kill 2 birds with one stone
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,104075,tk,dn081602X,00.asp
Two lessons to be learned here:
1) NX (no execute) protection is not the panacea for virus attacks, droid rantings notwithstanding.
2) Never underestimate the determination of virus authors to find ways to compromise a given platform.
With AMD about to launch a major radio ad campaign specifically touting AMD's NX security, it's got to be a PR nightmare. You can tell how much of a blow it is to AMD's NX dreams, and to the Droids ego's, by the high level of tap dancing going on currently on another thread. And they know it. One even seemed to almost accuse Smooth and or Oliver Friedrichs, senior manager of Symantec's virus response team, of being paid off by intel.
I'm not surprised
First virus emerges aimed at AMD 64-bit processors
http://tinyurl.com/5bdj8
MANHASSET, N.Y. — Symantec Corp. on Tuesday (Aug. 24) said it had discovered the first "proof-of-concept" virus that targets AMD's 64-bit processors.
Dubbed Shruggle, the virus is similar to Rugrat, another proof-of-concept that in late May put Windows' 64-bit operating systems in its sights.
"Shruggle is a fairly simple proof-of-concept virus," said Oliver Friedrichs, senior manager of Symantec's virus response team, "to show that the AMD platform is just as susceptible to attack as any other platform."
Ummm, with all due respect, you are the only person on ihub
I know of that has suggested that "HP stabbed Intel in the
back" regarding Itanium because of its embrace of Opteron.
Perhaps, but maybe it's because my scope goes beyond IHub. BTW, I don't actually remember confining Droids to IHub, or suggesting that it must be necessary for them to post such thoughts specifically here, in order to be validated. I believe it's possible, that Droids, and that opinion, exist elsewhere too. I have no doubt that if I were to look, within a few nanoseconds, I could find dozens of posts on the web to support my conclusion, but hey..... I realize that to others, IHub IS their entire existence, so maybe that's why they "appear" to be unable to see beyond that point of reference. Fine with me
No place for AMD Opteron in HP's tin plans
Superdome, Itanium et al
By INQUIRER staff: Wednesday 25 August 2004, 09:40
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18069
GIANT PRINTER company HP recently held its HP World jamboree in the US, and Terry Shannon was there to record what was said.
He has filed a presentation on his web site which appears to indicate that the future beyond Superdome will have no place for AMD's Opteron or Intel's EM64T chips.
Awwwww too bad. Must be a terrible blow, to the Droid fantasy that HP was in the process of stabbing intel in the back over Itanium, and about to embark on the Opteron Yellow Brick Road to party with the Wizard of Ruiz...... It breaks my heart....... NOT. Is it just me, or can you almost feel the disappointment in the writings of Mike Magee...... ummmmm I mean..... The INQ staff (wink wink). Must have detoured his his YBR fantasy too
Let's see the droid backflip spin on this one:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18023
"SAP system problems dog AMD shipments"
When HP used the same excuse a few weeks ago to
explain problems with its big server division last quarter
the foilheads dismissed it and blamed poor IPF sales
instead despite the Unix server division (with majority
PA-RISC dropping in sales and minority IPF rising in
sales) being up 8% vs 3% for the rest of the industry
AMD's SAP issue is obviously intel's fault (cough). How? Elementry My Dear Watson..... It's all an intel plot to destroy AMD sales......
Intel probably already uses a SAP system, so "obviously" (cough) using arm twisting and threats, intel has forced the SAP software people, to get their software engineers, to sabotage the copy that SAP sold to AMD. So, therefore, none of this is AMD's fault, for poor internal beta testing of their SAP system prior to implementation, no.... no.... no.... it's actually all intel's fault.
See...? Simple
When did he do that?
Tenchu
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20040728075703.html
http://www.simmtester.com/page/news/shownews.asp?num=7173
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/07/28/BUGTO7U3HQ1.DTL
http://www.forbes.com/2004/07/28/0728autofacescan02.html
http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/07/28/HNbarrettshapeup_1.html
http://www.serverpipeline.com/howto/26100532
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/07/28/BUGTO7U3HQ1.DTL&type=printable
http://www.computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/hardware/story/0,10801,94870,00.html
http://www.katu.com/team2/story.asp?ID=69663
http://news.com.com/Intel+CEO+wants+an+employee+attitude+check/2100-1006_3-5286124.html?tag=nefd.top
http://www.ciol.com/content/news/2004/104072801.asp
http://www.tech-arena.com/comments.php?shownews=1305