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More Like EOD PANIC BUYING.
Kinda Funny the way this is set-up right now. It looks so balanced...its almost the same amount on the bid as the ask....excluding AON's though. But it looks pretty....almost like a legit stock that isn't being manipulated.
Euc, DB, Locals,,,, Don't forget we will see the actual Q1. I've got a srtong feeling it will be better than the Prelim!!
Euc what do you and the other locals here think is a time frame when we can be selling for profit. My orginal plan was to sell 25% of my stake between .05 and .10 and hold as news of new revs come out in Q2,Q3, and maybe year end Jan 2013.
They want to buy at .02. I remember from the first run a few weeks back that I saw and someone else stated they saw that the bid was .02 yet the shares were still being sold at .015, .016, etc. This poster has etrade just like me.
Now yesteday someone posted that uses ScottTrade that they saw a bid of .02 but the ask was less.
They have been chaging market makers to buy at .02 or better and using other MM to hold it down.... FOR NOW!!
Longs are here! Some may be bashing....but its for their own benefit.
Buy Cheaper. I just think that the people who don't know how to manage are the ones complaining. They Put all in....probably including moeny that was for next months rent and were expecting to get paid in the next day. Thats NOT money management.
This stock has been trading for sooo long soo low that they need to weed out some people. I mean imagine just 50 College Kids who put 1K each on this sub=penny....and then it hits .05 and the all got 5K and they all dump their shares in unison.
This is a shakeout of sorts while the MMs + Promoters are setting up their positions the best they can.
How easy is it to get someone who hasn't done their DD to Panic and sell like crazy.
IMO this is a combo deal. Buy 1 get 1 free. MMs setting up and some panic people think all info here is false....That makes the MM/promoter/pumper relationship that much easier to set up.
If you did your DD....along with the help of the regulars....you would be very calm about this situation.
Unless you didn't manage your money well and you need to sell to pay CC bills, rent, etc.
If they really wanted it to BOMB for a day they could have dropped all those shares at anytime.
NOBODY and I mean NOBODY that has done their DD would sell after todays PR at the current price!!
It looks like they are ready to let it go!!! Maybe even push it a little!! As it may need a little help with the way they pushed it around!!
Euc, Just calm down and be consistent and manage your money. Don't buy at the same prices over and over again.
Either bash the shit out of this board (so the price goes down further and we can all get cheaper shares)
Or be positive and wait for this thing to go KABOOM!
You have done your DD!! I know that for a fact!
You'll be fine
Remember some longs sound like shorts....just so they can get their piece on the CHEAP!!
UMMMM....so he's passing them to you as you bash this stock down and get the retailers to panic.
You got more money than me....so I'll follow and by the Fuckn DIP!!
This is NOT Dillution. This is MM's crushing flippers and setting up their friends/pumpers/promoters so they can claim insane profits for their followers/members.
That way the MMs can say down the road "you owe me huge for MSLP" I got you in around .02.....before the KABOOM"
100Mil Volume and the price just sits 5% from previous close.
Awesome!
Talk about a huge run building.....This thing is so loaded a .02 is crazy!
MMs have you finished doing favors for the Pumpers! Get out of the way
so how low do you think we can push this to get more shares before it takes off....I mean with all the "its dilution bs, etc"?
Agreed! But thats NOT whats holding us back.
Its the MM letting every pumper / promoter get a piece so they will be indebted for life!
This is going to blow once they are done or cant hold it down any further.
What are you talikng about? The AS was increased for Protection from a buyout. They have not increased the Oustanding shares!
We all new that already. It says Authorized, NOT Outstanding!
I dont see fact....I see guesses/heasay.
All looks good on my etrade account.
Or did I miss something else?
whats sitcky back?
where see the dumping....I see longs loading on PANIC PUMPERS
Euc, Calm down. I don't see the extra dilution. Or are you in with the olther longs trying to drive down price to buy more?
Its the 1.4 billion which we know about and the announced the best news possible. Q1 reve almost surpasses all 2011, and they showed a profit.
Don't forget all these other pieces of income have yet to be rolled out!
If you're seeing something I'm NOT...let me know ASAP. Please.
I would be private replying you, but I don't know how or am unable to.
EUC, Longs
You should read my MSLP 101 Post. Maybe it should read Money Management.
Euc, You know the long term. Be Careful trying to guess dips. If you believe the price for the End Of Year is still good at .05 or less than you should NEVER sell and Manage your buys.
What would you say to yourself if you sold at .035 and then it ran to .037 and dipped to ,034.....then ran to .10. Well you'd be pissed that you sold!
Stop overthinking! Believe in your position or don't! Or sell off shares until you do believe in your investment or sell at what you think the company should be valued.
But with you being here awhile and educated I would suggest you hold until this company surpasses your year end forecast.
Dont guesss the DIP to sell
. BUY the F'n DIP!!
ITS MONEY MANAGEMENT!!
MSLP 101
MSLP 101
Longs and Flippers we are all in this for the same reason....to make money.
Everybody should sustain a min of 20% Long position. This stock is sooo long! Look through the board history. There is an insurmountable DD provided here within this board. This is a real company. If we all play together we will all benefit....which is vary rare in PennyWorld.
There will be as some have said....major shakes in the tree!! I am so impressed that the MM's and Runners could only drive this down to .015! It's amazing considering where this was sitting 3 months ago.
Longs, we know whats here!
Flippers, do your DD! Follow the history of the following posters Dakota, Odessa, Euc, JWblue, neuronal, Superman...and a few more closely tied like turo.
I think if everyone involved can agree to a % Long,.....because flippers are essential in the end to maintain liquidity, and longs must be able to support the price. As someone said earlier " Sell when 15% within the true fair value of company" This is the tricky part....what in your opinion is the "true fair value" of this company. Well do your DD.....and you will be suprised!!! "True FAIR VALUE TODAY....TRUE FAIR MONDAY....TRUE IN 3 MONTHS, TRUE IN 1 YEAR"
How could a Short not even leverage his own bet with a long buy....let alone a Flipper?
MSLP Management....Step up to the plate and deliver the picture that has been painted!
Do it transparently!
MSLP
AGREED!!
Thats a repeat of old news. Waiting for Q1 Prelim......
MSLP LONG
Ascientific what is Stop Exploder?
Why and what was alert?
Acsientific r u pumper?
Cause thats NOT tooo scientific!
I'd love to see you try and flip this and get crushed....that is unless you have $1Mil CASH otherwise you aren't going to be a ble to play.
This is all LONG MSLP
Dana White could be added to the Board of Directors.
These guys have been changing all aspects of their management for the better future.
Dana is a name that has been thrown around here on the board as a speculative person to take a position.
Maybe they make annoucement of this at the next UFC Fight on FOX coming up in a few weeks.
MSLP LONG
Everything must be taken with a grain of salt.
They have basiclly stated and addressed every concern that any and all investors have.
We just haven't seen the content of the changes. I will and have bet almost everything that these changes will make some more happy than others based on each persons opinion, BUT we will all be delighted!
They are about to OPEN THE BOOKS! They have never done this and to my understanding this rarely if ever exist in PennyLand!
Whether Q1 shows a profit or an expectation for a Q2 profit, or an expectation for a Year End Profit we will know what and how their new objectives will be acheieved.
It is way easier to monetize a business that has great revenues with incredible growth than it is to have a great business plan that is NOT even in play that looks great on PAPER.
With their new team this will be the "NEW MSLP"
Is that a BIG BUYER that just showed up??
Maybe someone finally heard that VFIN and VERT are playing games and almost finished rotating positions
That was the last option that I forgot to post prior.
Just get out of the way and let him finish arragning his position. The sooner the better.
MSLP Board Comments, Thoughts, Opinions will be appreciated
This is how it is in today's reality. 4/18/12
Some people have more money than others.
Some take bigger risks to obtain more money.
Some know how to manage money better than others.
Some wait for scrubbs to do the dirty work for them.
In this case we are the scrubbs doing the dirty work and if you don't manage your money correctly you will be forced to sell before this company trades at its' value....???? atleast .05+
So today this is what happened.
#1. 2 maybe 3 major players involved wanted to control the price for the following reasons:
They set at short at .03+ of (guess 50mil shares) and also bought 25 mil shares at .03 just in case it continued on it's last run. (they leveraged their bet).
Now that share price has fallen with less volume they have been able to take control of PPS.
We all know this is going somewhere up .05, .1, .5????who knows, but its going up.
Soooo: they hold price with...lets guess 50 seperate LIMIT orders at .0168 for 5k shares. On the side (so you can't see on Level2 trading they have AON {all or none orders} for 50k shares, 100k shares, 250k shares, 500K shares THAT YOU CAN NOT SEE as they are AON. Because of this the ASK of .0168 will always be there except occassionally when someone bids 5k shares at the ask (but remember he has already submitted 50 of these orders for the day - a new one will always pop up) In addition these orders are almost impossible to destroy as Nobody wants to bid 5k shares because the commission price. Sooooo it sits there holding the price.
Next: as buyers attempt to take this out he continually replenishes his AON orders (thats why we see 100k shares at .017 go by and the ASK is still at .0168 and holding the price down)
This is then followed by/in conjunction with his BUYS without being on the BID with AON orders. He is buying Shares (good for us eventually if you follow the rest of this post) to COVER and Buying for the future run (he knows this is gonna blow up soon too). He sees that noone has a 350K share buy at .0167 sooo he places a BUY TO COVER order at .0167 as well as a BUY order at .0167. BOOOOOOOM he just did a BUY TO COVER at 50% of .03+ and also has shares at .03+. He just passed his LOANED/SHORTED shares to himself for Free for the next run.(remeber if he shorted @ .03+ and BUY to COVER @ .015 he has a profit of .015....same price as the shares he is buying) (good sign because he believes/knows it is going up....annoying for us while we wait for him to transfer his position). Once he has freed up all his SHORT positions with BUY to COVER and has enough shares to releverage he will step out of the way and we will rise (he will help us rise as well).
#2 There was another medium player with lets guess 10mil shares.
Yesterday on the DIP(EUC thank you for the video link---very funny) he bought at 1mil shares @ .016 or better. Today he goes on a PR buying spree....buying maybe 250K shares to get some momentum this morning with the PR. Price shoots to .022 and he sells the 1mil shares he bought yesterday @.016 for a 33% PROFIT.....all the while knowing that the BIG PLAYERS from #1(above) are going to push the price back down. Sooo his money management was to risk 10% of his holdings for a flip at 33% PROFIT. He executed it perfectly.
#3 Us retail buyers (including me) do NOT have the $$$ to manipulate this and could risk loosing our position....So I only buy the DIP and NEVER SELL.
My Final Thoughts on how to control this are:
1.BID $$$money always .00001 within the ASK
2.NO SELL Orders within 35% of Current ASK (only true if he's still purposely holding the price down)....This is just too easy for him to FLIP at a low price and how can you blame somebody for that....in reality thats what we all want.
This is my last post of the day as I have the FREE platform here.
THIS is also IMO.
FYI- This is theory as I only started trading in Feb'12
PS This will go up. Money Management is your only difficulty as an investor. Do NOT sell a existing position (hoping for a better one), because chances are you won't get it. Do NOT spend what you can NOT afford for the next 6 months.....because that is MISmanagement of money that will lead you to sell right before this MSLP goes big)
I would really appreciate any and all feedback regarding this post.
Codie - I guess I need to be more careful with my language so as NOT to imply fact.
I do KNOW that I saw with my own eyes all the Energel Packs on the ground following the NYC Half Marathon. I do NOT know if the were technically listed and to what extent, but it wasn't just a few runners who stopped by the store on the way to the race.
As far as Olympics....it was more of a thought of possibility, based on the idea that haven't been PRing useless info as well as it would be a great fit for them to increase their GLOBAL brand. Not only because of the exposure, but also a legal supplement advantage that is safe, and Olympic athletes aren't the highest paid either....could be a very inexpensive way to gain a huge amount of exposure.
Lastly my intention is NOT to pump, but to calm people when everything seems to get emotional on this board....which I have at time to time contributed.
Your team of regulars that have been here before I have been very helpful with your post and have allowed me to verify the DD that exist here.
I am also a little more optimistic about the future of this company than many as I have been running my own business for the last 8 years and with the economy I have learned from my own trials and tribulations as well.
I can NOT imagine the cost of building the Brand that they have to date. And for that alone it is hard for me to dispute their actions to date as well....in the end we will all know the truth and it will all be hindsight.
Hopefully these comments wont keep me from being included in pertinent information that is shared here.
Thank you and Good Luck
Hey Neuro - Lots of theory as to why...I posted a couple IMO's.
It's F'n weird how much VERT was controlling this.
I think it is someone who is transferring from a shorter to a pumper and was selling to themselves within the gap and using AON orders.
We Longs know this is going up...just looks like we need to wait for some big money to correct their positions.
IMO
They Sponsored NYC Half Marathon.
Thats another detail I really like about MSLP at this point and time. They don't make pointless PR's anymore. They didn't announce a PR when the sponsored the NYC Half Marathon a few weeks ago.
I mean a typical Penny tupically tells you if their mother farted if they thought it would effect the share price.
Honestly I wouldn't be suprised if they have some sponsorship deals going along with the London Summer Olympics that are coming up. What a great place to get GLOBAL exposure with a product that is completely legal and will NOT be detected in Drug Test.
They are getting their shit together. I think faster than we think and are patient enough for.
Just remember these prices are a huge bargain! We can't complain just because some people got lucky and got a better bargain than us!
All Longs will be prosperous. I F'n hope so!!!
EXACTLY! Thats why I said NO sell orders under .0225.
NO SELL ORDERS UNDER .0225 at EOD and he will have to buy another 10mil shares EOD upto .027.
Theory...NOT a Prediction
If you had shorted 50mil shares...what is best way to cover your ass? Well you buy 20mil shares as well to ensure you can control price if something happens.
Which is what happened....this will go through the roof sooner than later.
It is a bummer for all us Longs without the deepest pockets to watch this happen. Nobody knows how long this will last either becuase we don't know how many shares he's holding - My gues from earlier is about 24mil.
He is playing this very well. He's essentially holding the price down and then selling (and usually NOT to the bid, but in the gap they keep creating)....he's selling to himself for the ride up!
I wish I had enough money to sit at the top of the bid.....BUT I DONT.....so I will buy and accumilate at different ranges as they come. I have more shares than I really wanted, but sometimes plans change.
I WILL NOT SELL! I WILL ONLY BUY! I advise the same to all LONGS!
Sorry I don't have enough money to push him out of the way and start his Buy to Cover PANIC BUTTON. Hopefully someone will come along soon!!
All theory and IMO.
Very Strong Chance that is the case.
I however think this is them asking pretty please to the MMs to get them out of their mess. Good chance they are covering right now!
It could even be one of the 3 pigs buddies....and now they are trying to help hom get out of this mess.
Some guy sitting on the phone talking directly to the MM and saying whenever he can get rid of more than 100K shares just move it.
Trying to get the ducks in a row.
No body Panic...it can't last forever. He's hoping just as much as me that it will hit a penny again.
I WILL NOT SELL!! and support has been excellent at .016....so he's just trying to stay above water.
MSLP
NO LOW SELLS! C'mon guys!
They are just waiting for Panic so you put in Low Sell Limits and then Big Buyer just slips in and buys 3 Million at a time.
Wake up....if we want this to be where it should then NO SELLS UNDER .025.
F!!!
EUC. You got it. I'm NOT selling anything yet. If it runs I don't want to be behind and I don't know when its going to run!
So I bought today at .0185, and .016.
Next up .0123, then .01 and sub-penny. I could care less if this goes sub-penny for a day or 2. The further this drops the quicker the next run up.
NO SELLING. ONLY BUYING.
Actually I have 2 sell orders at .098 and .98.
MSLP
VERT has 24 million shares IMO....or more!
Thats what I've been repeating for the last week and a half.
Do NOT sell down. He'll just pick up more and do it again...Force him to hold long!!
Good Luck!!