Not going to argue about it....its pretty clear the stock benefits VISSER received. He wasn't doing it out of the kindness of his heart. I'm wondering if APPLE lawyers are assisting LQMT, to help it get rid of the dead wood.

Not too sure that's the story if LQMT and ENGEL scientists came up with the Turn Key Machine...
if its proves out. Visser proved himself and made a fortune selling furniture. Yes, he has a Die Cast company, but that really doesn't segway to being able to handle Liquid Metal. Seems Engel and Plastics was a better match. We have to give LQMT credit for going in that direction..teaming up with
ENGEL...and I'm only assuming its because VISSER locked LQMT scientists out of what he was trying to develop.

Feeling good about this..for now...that perhaps an Albatross is about to get cut loose. Keep your fingers crossed..and hope that this won't take long...or Visser decides to say..."Okay guys...I admit I didn't know what in hell I was doing...but I'm rich and I'm used to being in control. You win."

Ponderings:

I think we should assume LQMT has enough proof of non performance against Visser, perhaps with
back up from APPLE as a silent partner. So if the dead wood is cut away.."Visser"...where does it leave us.

Depending on the truth of the Turn Key Machine, it could be seen as a breakout for LQMT..and if that machine can make the Canards...then a contract with Lockheed Martin may be near....and if ENGEL turns on the sales team..for the new machine and Liquid Metal..advertising all over the world...you can see how this could explode to all positives. There is a good chance..Visser won't have a leg to stand on..if he was negligent in his pursuit to develop the technology to mould Liquid Metal. The fact that Engel and LQMT have developed such a machine..(hopefully), will back up the position that VISSER wasn't up to the job. Makes me wonder..again...if Liquid Metal scientists were working with ENGEL instead of VISSER to bring out a machine...perhaps an indication that VISSER wanted total control with no help from LQMT..so VISSER could own the patent to any machine developed. Engel brought LQMT scientists in and they now have a partnership patent on the TURN KEY. THIS ALL may be VERY GOOD NEWS for us INVESTORS...it was a shock....but now I see it as perhaps a good one.

Also, if this ENGEL/LQMT machine is the way to go, where does APPLE fit into this?? Are they working with ENGEL too??? Were they part of the effort with Visser in the development?? If so, is LQMT making this move with APPLES support?? And Materions support?? I took so much for granted from the premises put forth when I got into this stock and now I don't know whose on first. If APPLE and Materion are involved in this effort...then its likely they will give their testimony at the hearing.
Hasn't apple been pouring MILLIONS into this development?? with who?? Visser?? I assumed it was..
Talk about a turn around. Everyones talking about cases, etc..of Liquid Metal for APPLE products...
for the IPHONE6. I assumed it was all part of the Materion/Engel/Visser/APPLE effort. If the ENGEL machine can also produce APPLE parts, won't LQMT be finally getting royalties from APPLE?? And how will APPLE keep control of the CE/NON-CE agreement if machines are sold all over the world.
I'm lost in a maze.

The Turn Key machine is a dual effort by LQMT and ENGEL scientists...and its patented. I'm sure there will be shared royalty payments after ENGEL takes its "cost plus" out of the figure. Engel will also be getting "support expenses"..as they have expanding support facilities all over the world. And they may also share in the "per piece" royalty...who knows. But that is where the big money will be.
Visser can also make out on this. He has his die cast business, that can be expanded to include
the ENGEL/LQMT machines. There will be many companies that will want products made from the metal, but don't want the machines. Perhaps in the auto racing area. This all can be done amicably, and if Visser is a smart man that puts business ahead of ego..he'll see that the ENGEL/LQMT machine is the way to go. There was no way VISSER could have kept up with demand world wide. Impossible.
And the faster these machines get fielded, if its truly proven to be a "turn key" machine, the faster
they will be the no.1 supplier. There are many good ideas, but if the idea can't get out fast enough,
someone else will do it. Lets just hope Visser isn't an arrogant putz that puts his ego before business.
I'm assuming a lot about Visser..but we all know the usual demeanor of men that create great fortunes...usually. We have all been all wrong way back..thinking "huge machines" were being put in warehouses, ready to pump put APPLE products and more. Selling the machines is really the way to go. IMO

Bottom line it seems.. Visser made his big fortune from selling furniture, had race cars and a die cast business, got in with LQMT and thought it would be easy to make moulds. Made agreements to corner the market. Mr. Big Shot. Failed in his attempts..and probably didn't spend the time needed and ignored LQMT. Engel comes in and tells LQMT to join them in research for a mould machine. They patent a Turn Key Machine. The focus became selling the machines, not making parts, and thus,
the need for VISSER was gone. Now the separation process begins..and I think there is more proof of Visser not performing than any other scenario...based on the LQMT/ENGEL machine. I think it will be determined VISSER could not produce a machine for production and thus made the agreements invalid. Many "self made men" can get very arrogant...thinking if they made a fortune in one business, they can do it in another. And usually don't take kindly to suggestions.
AMEN..and GOOD LUCK LONGS in the weeks ahead.

Maybe all is well, if he was talking about ENGEL and LQMT and NOT Visser...

Someone suggested that perhaps LQMT was lagging in getting a VISSER machine certified...now THAT is a stretch. So I guess we're all supposed to assume a machine has been developed that's production ready and that's why we see so many contracts.... IF such a machine was ready....had met production tests..don't you think we'd have heard about it???
What did we hear...we heard that LQMT and ENGEL have developed a TURN KEY MOULDING MACHINE....that's now back at ENGEL....a machine that will be SOLD for companies to make their own items...Engel has WORLD WIDE support for their machines.
What have we heard from VISSER?? NOTHING...absolutely NOTHING....Machines??? Oh I doubt it.
If VISSER had machines with that kind of capability..we would know about it. VISSER couldn't do it..
Some have said LQMT is just sitting on its hands doing nothing..Oh really??? It seems their scientists have been working with ENGELS scientists to produce a TURN KEY MOULDING MACHINE...
I think its pretty obvious whose been "working"..and who hasn't been able to develop a machine.
What is LQMT supposed to do...DILUTE MORE SHARES...as it waits for VISSER to finally develop something?? They can't....it would destroy the company. THEY HAVE to go with ENGEL...and VISSER is going to go along with it....or all those shares will be worth nothing. Yes, he's being cut out of the picture...things happen. LQMT took a different road with a different company...TO SURVIVE...
they were NOT surviving with VISSER...there is NO MACHINE at VISSER that can develop the metal..
there IS at ENGEL.... How can we come to any other conclusion??? VISSER didn't make it...ENGEL DID...
LQMT had to go with ENGEL...and we may hear that VISSER didn't want LQMTs scientists getting involved in VISSERS business...EGOS can destroy a company...that could be a possiblity...so ENGEL told LQMT.."Hey come work with us...we can do it", and they did as far as we know. Now its up to VISSER to "suck it up" and admit what has to be done. And Vissers no angel...he's there for VISSER..as we see from the stock agreements..also his "sole production" clause. Well, Sorry Visser, there isn't going to be production...unless you want to buy ENGELS machines.

I would suggest XANAX...try it, you'll like it...

You seem to be saying a canard was sent to LM. From what I remember, there was a canard at the show and tell a few went to, but it was a reject. Whose job was it to produce a testable canard??
Visser??? Isnt' that the contention of LQMT...that VISSER didn't meet the requirement?? There for, there isn't a machine to be "certified"...a "Visser Machine". Unless I'm mistaken and there are Canards ready for testing at LM. I don't think there are. That's why LM didn't test a canard for the fly by...supposedly waiting for the Intercept Test...because they don't have a canard to test. And that's why LQMT and ENGEL got together and designed a TURN KEY Mould Machine...and are going to sell the machines..thus leaving VISSER out of the loop. Because he can't produce a machine. He can't make the product...Engel can make a machine, patented by ENGEL and LQMT...that can. Good Bye VISSER.

Well, we've heard from the Visser Worshipers, the Conspiracy Theorists, the Connect the Dots Strategists, The Longs, the Shorts, and no one knows. What have we been hearing that's been faked...what's been fantasy, what's been slighted truths...Seems like soon we'll not only get to peek behind the curtain....the curtain will be pulled down completely. What a conundrum.

Well, one thing. This sure has given us all something BIG to think about. KA BOOM...right out of left field...WOW..KAZINGA.... I'm wondering if those watching LQMT, will see this as a "break out" to freedom in the context of ENGEL and LQMT developing a new machine, patented, that will be sold to companies to manufacture their own products instead of VISSER being the WORLDS PROVIDER which was a very limited idea anyway. The VISSER equation worked because our vision was so limited.
TINY PIECES for possibly medical devices..etc...well, look where we are now. Now we're talking world wide distribution of moulding machines...with technical support so companies can make many different items. There is no way VISSER can fit into that equation. ENGEL has the world wide network..VISSER has nothing. HE knows it. He knows the new plan..."Fielding Machines not parts" is the way to go. He couldn't be that clueless. He fights this...what will he have??? Worthless stock.
He lets it fly..what will he have..more money than he ever dreamed of...without the headache.
With that money he could fill many warehouses with machines that can make product for those companies that don't want to buy the ENGEL machine outright. Everyone wins.

Only one problem. Visser has proven he can't manufacture products....so LQMT had to go to ENGEL to develop a new mould system. Isn't that the case??? Visser would have to prove he can produce products...so far it seems their attempts have failed. And if it can be shown VISSER has been sitting on his fanny and not trying to remedy this...then ENGEL steps in and says.."we can"....VISSERs job was to make the manufacturing base....he can't...so the agreement is no longer valid.

Visser can make a fortune by letting LQMT progress...he's an idiot if he doesn't. Why sink a ship when its full of your gold. He already has a fortune in number of shares of stock. He knows what LQMT and ENGLE are doing....is his ego so bloated that he can't see his nose for his face??? We shall see...it may be all theatrics....the decisions may have already been made...and this is all a show for the stockholders...I'm not taking anything at face value..I suggest you do the same. Prediction. LQMT at 50 cents a share by friday

Well, people...we all wanted something to happen..something big...and it did...but not anything anyone had foreseen. Usually looking at the glass half full, I think this is great news...now will be looking forward to everyones posts..I'll stop mine..I said my opinion. GOOD LUCK LONGS...
I think this is a NEW DAY for LQMT...and I think VISSER knows its going to be good for him too.
Unless he's a control freak and has an out of control ego...he'll let this happen and reap the rewards...

I agree, and believe VISSER will see the benefits and won't put up much of a fight...why hold back a company that could bring him great wealth...all he has to do is cut ties..and keep his stock...he'd be a complete fool to risk taking down what LQMT/MATERION/ ENGEL are doing.... Its a win win for Visser....he can buy ENGEL machines...and get as many contracts as he wants...plus have LQMT stock...and let LQMT and ENGEL develop more machines...

Just wondering. Do you suppose this is an agreed upon strategy between Visser and LQMT so Visser can bow out??? He'll still have his stock??. He can buy all the ENGEL machines he wants, just like anyone else will be able to. Except he wont have to be part of the "team". Where does VISSER lose in this, if their separation means success of LQMT??? He gets on a gravy train, unless the stock was part of the "performance" requirement. If he keeps the stock...then he made a great chess move. IF he sees the benefits of LQMT and ENGEL pushing forward, do you think he's going to destroy that?? Pounding his fists on the table?? I don't think so. Could this be a "battle to save face" when in reality, behind closed doors...its been decided Visser isn't needed, but he'll benefit greatly with the LQMT/ENGEL/MATERION new plan??

Ah, just read through the recent posts. The battle between the 'half fulls and half empties".
Again, this is one more "no one expected this" to hit us. Hopefully one participant will go back to racing cars and selling furniture. Doesn't seem like he will have a leg to stand on, especially if Materion and Engel and APPLE are asked to testify. 'OUCH". So many things to think about. ENGEL and LQMT are going forward it seems in a BIG WAY. And Visser?? Sounds like non performance to me.
LQMT and ENGEL working on a new machine ..the TURN KEY" machine. Where was VISSER in all this??
Mr. Money Bags. Nowhere. But he sure made sure he'd get a sweet deal on the stocks. What a quandary come monday. Those holding shares, vs, those on the sidelines. Will the stock plunge, or will investors determine this is GREAT news. As others have pointed out..sure seems like Materion has given a BIG HINT on increased activity...and then ENGEL too. It was ENGEL and LQMT SCIENTISTS that came up with the TURN KEY machine. VISSER was "out of the building". And it does seem the plan had changed. One of Visser having a HUGE warehouse of machines to ENGEL selling LQMT/ENGEL machines all over the world. So, who needs Visser?? He's no longer part of the deployment strategy. That is OBVIOUS. And all this perhaps just before a Lockheed Martin Contract. Oh, what a delicious
complicated stew we have here. I wonder what Dr. Watson and Sherlock would have to say.
STAY TUNED.

Yes...I think ENGEL is the objective.. VISSER was doing nothing. Except getting an enormous amount of secured shares....

So is this what the shares will be used for?? legal expenses?? And then bankruptcy...or will a buy out come from this?? Talk about something coming from left field....and on friday too.

LQMT is saying VPC is not honoring agreements...non performance....I wonder if this is a way for LQMT to link up with ENGEL...instead...

LQMT suing VPC...


http://ir.liquidmetal.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=130649&p=irol-sec#9080758

Well, that would make us even...because I have set the bar VERY low for you. I'm a very understanding and generous person.

Then you should know what I said was true...about military government contracts. I didn't hype anything...and no one said the Canards would turn LQMT into a billion dollar company. But I'm sure if the Canards are accepted the government and contractor will look into other uses, if its superior to metals now used.

I worked in the defense department in government contracts. I was on location at many contractors facilities. I know that using LIQUID METAL would have to be approved by the government...If the missile system is under contract with the government. Because from what we have read the LQMT metal will be tested during the interception phase of the contract...they'll use another metal before that...so that would require a modification to the contract with approval by government engineers...
who would have looked into the metal and LQMT... Okay???

And if I could speculate on the possible future a little more. Lockheed Martin has a load of government people on site where they build military equipment. I'm sure they are very aware of LQMT and the metal. AND very interested. The government, if it sees a company with a good initial product, can give developmental contracts, to help the company go to where the military would like.
LQMT would be classified as a small business...so it would get a boat load of help in whatever it needs to do. This is just one thing that "could" happen. And you never know what discussions are being had behind closed doors, with the government or anyone else. if they find properties in a combination of the metal...and can develop a machine to produce sheets...the government can put it in "black ops"...
where the funds aren't signified to anyone..but go to classified research and development. Hey, if they are making CANARDS for LM..you can bet the MILITARY is wondering where else it can be used.
AMEN.

And thats another issue. The interest of the defense department for such a metal. The worry being, another nation..like Russia will beat them to it...I'm sure the military is very interested in the potential prospects of the metal. IF, ENGEL does come out with a machine..and if those "sheets" can be made...look for the government to come looking very fast...but that's just one part of what can happen...and it will happen. There are competitors, that have different techniques, but no one knows the negatives they may be having with them. APPLE came out with a patent recently..not part of the crucible...but it may have been done to put a barrier on another patent. I don't know the details or have the knowledge. The "Horizontal vs. Vertical" patents...yes, big things may be coming....
the only frustration is "we" got in very early....its like investing in Steve Jobs when he was still in his garage...when no one could see the future...except a few.
GLL.

Would ENGEL be messing with them if they thought that was the case?? I think not.

Doesn't matter. I'm holding till Hades freezes over. I know what everyone else knows and I'm not going to be influenced by those that like to "fog" some facts. Yes, NO REVENUE...YES< HUGE AMOUNT OF SHARES....Potential??? ENORMOUS. I'm betting on the potential and THAT IS ALL.

We do not know the current capabilities of the Engel machines..nor what could be coming soon.

Who was running the company "years ago"?? The Kangs?? If so, why are you asking such questions about a management that was kicked out the door??

I agree. Its an entity that could be part of a revolution not in a particular product but a metal that can be used in tens of millions of different products. Each one perhaps a royalty payment to LQMT.
If we're wrong...there will be many coming out of the wood work dancing and hollering.."I TOLD YOU SO.". If we are right, many will be "HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY."
That's why I'm not letting all the shares bother me. If Liquid Metal is proven..by LQMT....the potential profits will be in the Billions, or tens of Billions...or more.
I'm sure ENGLE realizes this..as does APPLE and Materion and VISSER....If ENGEL figures out the process with LQMT, the news will be bigger than any new technology product we can think of.

Nice find...thanks. And dated today. So another site saying IPHONE6 will be the one. Good enough for me...my "wait time line" is for next august. No real reason except I have a few more shares that become "Long Term" in August.

New LQMT Blog...from site...just out..

http://info.liquidmetal.com/blog/bid/322501/Saltwater-Immersion-Corrosion-Testing

So by the charts does this mean LQMT has six different configurations of the metal?? Did we know this??? besides the basic configuration alloy that lost its patent??

I guess we'll be kept in the dark on the "TURNKEY Machine" and its capabilities...but for how long??
If they are going to sell the machine around the world...when is the unveiling to stock holders on what it can do?? All still very vague. Too vague. But if Engel is selling...that machine should be detailed on its web site and industrial magazine. It won't be a "secret" anymore, like we always assumed it would be if APPLE was running the show. We just need a time frame..is that too much to ask?? When the machines will be ready to be mass built by Engel?? Hmmm...perhaps a good question to the Blog, if they still answer questions.

Forgive me if I'm wrong...but I thought the "basic metal" Patent expired in August of 2012.

You are correct. Once the technology for manipulating the metal is perfected.... The uses will be practically unlimited. Every aspect of life could/will be using Liquid Metal. This is just getting off the ground. I think LQMT could be connected to revenues in the 10's if not 100's of billions of dollars....The APPLE application will be just one small aspect of it all. All one has to do is step back and think about it awhile. ENGEL is figuring it out...and may have perfected it. That's all that's been stopping this. 700 million shares?? WHO CARES....This will be a metal that can be applied anywhere.
Infrastructure, oh why list them...EVERYWHERE...that's what this is all about...

Well, there you are. That's what they will spend on the huge manufacturing facility that will contain the ENGEL Turn Key Machines. What else could it be???

LQMT also has patents....many we dont' know about. Could there be a possibility of up front percentage of the machine...and then patent revenue for each item made from those machines??