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I was speaking about the tax free bond money. This is what adds up to the billions between all the sites.
There are no grants in the billions. ...
Without siting sources it's difficult to answer your question / concern. It leaves it open to interpretation when you say 'billion' which could only mean the bonds.
None. It was contingent on EPC and was only slated for building the plants.
I made my investment decision along time ago. And have lost my shorts on that decision. There was a lot of hype back then and there still is a lot of hype now with no substance. As an investor my anger and disappointment is justified by the past years performance so excuse me for feeling somewhat skeptical when something sounds very similar as they did one year ago. I think a lot of other people here have the same thoughts
Thank you very much.
Can someone, anyone, point out were 'game changer' comes from / or originated?
People are perpetuating a rumor.
The 'game changer' term started way back in July. And it's thrown around like a lollipop...
This is just like last year or ... Was it two years ago when there was the rumor of a big time celebrity being announced just around the time when the AS increased. A certain few said the increase was restricted and for certain financial reasons that would not hit the OS. And sure enough the OS increased to 3.5 billion ( from 2.5 billion at that time)
Soooooo. Can someone point to the statement from Minerco there is some sort of ' game changer' or is it all just hocus pokus thrown around as a teaser and some paid hypsters.
"There are sufficient grounds to challenge the judge's decision on appeal. The odds are favorable that a stay will be granted... pending the appeals process."
Can you provide more detail ?
Interesting. That goes along with the relatively low volume on selling.
Anyone know who the big players stock owners are by chance?
Fletch. You think this will happen in 14 days?
Or 'if' they have the money to repay the loan, they would not have to give up the IP , correct?
Roni. To clarify your statement, are you saying they are crooks because they had a crappy contract put together by the person who is no longer with the company or that Carkos signed a sh::ty deal?
Either doesn't constitute being a crook. The person who was collecting while making these deals would be the crook. Investigation still occurring.
In Perry News....
http://perrynewspapers.com/blog/
Bion returned some of the loan funds.
The way I read the 8k was that the ip was to be transferred to anon and trey can dispose of it as they wish... Is this just another step in just clarifying the ip is collateral or is it the instructing of transferring the ip?
Ohhhhhhhhh!!!!
And to allow that verbiage to be in any sort of loan is crazy.
I wonder if someone had a plan outside of this knowing the loan couldn't have been repaid. I wonder what sort of lies and back room agreements were discussed.
The next part of this is who is Anon. This person is painstakingly trying to keep themselves anonymous for a reason.
That explains the selling yesterday
Nada here.
I guessed maybe they are selling some shred to pay some upcoming bills with regards to audit or lawyer fees? But it is a wild guess.
$1ish soon...ish.
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Poot
I think we all know what's going on. The site is up to date.
You can see year the tentative plans are set for for each site. Not saying there won't be delays but they are updated.
Here's a listing of their projects... Have at it.
https://ammoniaindustry.com/tag/bionitrogen/
Also. We're waiting for the Audit and uplisting ( if this is possible ). This comes first and is stated on what they are working on right now.
I mentioned the possible cooperation in msg 13575.
Who knows. The business has some similarities with parts of bions process.
Blip!
This silence and inactivity is killing me.
TW. Who will be playing Gilligan and the Skipper?
Ohhhh buy more. Average down. Be a man. Accumulate.
My condolences to you and your family GL.
That is a ripe ol age and I can only wish to live that long.
Correction *U not I
Wait. I think sucralose is better than HFCS?
Bwahahahaa.
And anyway you can get most sofas with sugar in them.
I would argue Coke and Pepsi are 'healthier' than v fizz on a scale. ( however I am not saying they are healthy). Fewer ingredients and fewer preservatives.
The point is still the same. V fizz was marketed as a healthy alternative. I wasnt talking about taste.
Hey SS. I'm not here to bash the stock. I own it.
BUT I will call you out on your ridiculous calls. Remember at 2.5 billion shares when the AS increased and I said it would be diluted. And you said nope. Well. Where are we now?
And my latest message was directed to you totally circumventing the question at hand. There was no bashing at all ... So nice try.
I gave this a chance. I yielded to possibilities of restricted stock not entering the market , and the infamous rumors started about famous celebrities. Never came to fruition. And you sit here with chart analysis on a D stock that is reverse splitting AND adding more restricted stock. Plead tell all of us why we should listen to you... And answer the question.
You admit it. You are biased.
But is that bashing? From a biased person ... Yes it is.
Do I hope this thing turns around? Absolutely. I own this stuff.
But if someone asks why is this the best water on the market stating the ingredients are questionable in health, you should answer it rather than deflecting and changing the subject.
You didn't even address the question.
I made this statement way long ago about preservatives in Vitamin fizz. And it was marketed as a health drink and all the yahoos were pumping ' but look at all those vitamins' never mind all the bad stuff in the ingredient list.
What this drink does is pray on the stupid. Hype it up as a 'healthy alternative' with vitamins but add tons of preservatives and chemicals and artificial sweetener.
I guess that's where their market potential is.
Longgg. I agree and disagree.
IP always has value. It is dependent on how far along it is developed ( which I stated) and market applications and readiness.
Back in the late 90s any idea was patented and people were getting a lot of money for their patented ideas ( not even developed). While I may have disagreed with ' valuation ' of some of those ideas , others did not and pushed around a lot of cash.
I think again you bring or combine in the value of the company, it's long term prospects and business plans etc. While they play a part of overall company valuation, I believe IP in itself has its own valuation outside of pps.
For instance BION 'could' license its patents to some third party or larger company and not raise a finger. There is value in that outside of a plant per year outputting 50MM.
The question was about the IP ( correct me if I am wrong) and what it's worth on its own.
Just a thought
KR.
There really is no reason why a company would want their valuations to be lower. It is however dependent on a few outside factors, market potential, market timing, cost of said IP etc. See this quick article.
http://www.ipinbrief.com/three-approaches-to-value-ip/
An example of value of IP and market timing and potential would be something like coming up with a streaming or media delivery service way prior to the market capability or market potential prior to something like broadband being ubiquitous. Say a service like Netflix being developed 10 years prior to being able to get broadband services. The ip value would be low. But jump years ahead and as technology readily becomes more available and cheaper, that IP would increase dramatically in value. Same goes for VHS tapes and rentals and then the market declines due to said technology ( broadband becomes available) and that IP drops into the toilet
Depends on a lot of factors and that was just an example or two.
I would say the IP that BION has is worth more now due to increased costs of the larger plants ( energy costs, raw materials etc) and the increase in demand and trying to create more fertilizer in the US. Growing more in less land etc.
Soooo. Roni is right the the value of the stock price is due to present situations bUT I think you were asking more about the valuation of IP. It's about market perception/ potential, time in development or just on paper.
I can't think of why a company would want to artificially depress the value unless you want to keep it off the big boys radar.
Hope that sheds some light. I'm sure there are other sides to this too
I hear ya
My point is / was if any deals / contracts etc were made with BK while he was on board, there may be advice not to talk to anyone until the investigation or whatever is going on, finishes.
I am speculating. I haven't a clue but I know I would be hesitant and not cooperative with people who had agreements made through or with BK until all the facts are out there and make sure no more damage was done. And as several have pointed out, there are people on board / advisors that are verse in this sort of situation.
Just an observation.
Roni. Did you have a contact, dealings/ meetings or agreements with BK?
It's a penny stock. Been burned before and made some before. I am
Fully aware this isn't a Fortune 500 company.
I've been in this since 2012. Should've would've could've. Absolutely.
But as I stated before I am not in love with Carlos. I think he dropped the ball a few times. But the technology is what I am interested in. And since over the past year this has been a reality show, the ratings have definitely increased and notable ( which I know you disagree with ) possibilities and traction has occurred. They have bright on some experienced people and have made good contacts / opportunities with bonds. That wasn't around > 2 years ago. So yes. I am a bit more
Positive.
You ever think that maybe they, the commonly, was really trying to get off the ground and when they did they 'could' make due on their promises? I'm sure you when you were in Hidenet had to move money around, not take pay or delay payment just so you can get a win? Stretch every dollar? I've seen it before. I'm sure you have.
I am not drinking any kook aid and have not sold. I scrounged a little more and bought a few more a couple of weeks ago but it is a long shot.
But the next month or two will be telling.
So I wait. I'm not putting makeup on it. This is risky and everyone here knows it.
Or we bought and are tapped out ? Maybe ?
Maybe?
Cmon roni. Stop with the childish jabs saying we are connected to Carlos.
It's obvious you're bitter.
Question. What did you do for Hidenet?
Longgg. Yes. Not sure if the message was directed at me. But my point was just that. Syngas is the output ( by pyrolysis) of the first process which is then used as the input to the second process to make the fertilizer.
I mentioned it because it seems GL seems to think the syngas or 'exhaust' is just blow outside from just the first process. I quickly looked up the Sierra club's stance on gasification and for obvious reasons it would not be well received to just burn it for energy etc. There is no mention of taking the syngas and converting to fertilizer. There are mentions of burning / using it as fuel. But I'm wondering if GL understands the syngas is used to create the solid fertilizer. Like any industry, the intermediaries, should they escape , are dangerous and pollutants but the entire process from biomass to urea fertilizer is fairly safe and clean.
The syngas can be replaced with natural gas which is why the latest patent is interesting.
Meh. Next month should be interesting.
GL. Just as you are saying often you are learning , so am I / we. Please provide the links and info.
I provided you a link that describes the production of syngas.
Your statement ' I have access to a whole library full of articles that talk about the dangers of burning biomass to the environment and to health' implies you do not understand what Bionitrogen is doing. They are not just merely burning and spewing exhaust in the air to make power. You do understand the syngas is used up to make the urea and any other forms of hydrocarbons, correct? Meaning not spewing into the air.
I'm not trying to prove you wrong. I'm making sure you have all the info. Basing your opinions on not the whole story leads to poor decisions and reactions.
Just sayin. Please provide the info.