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Your opinions on all this have been slanted to the negative. Its just how "we" are all wired. We can all see the same information and some will see disaster and some will see great opportunities. And that's why we're not all part of the 1%. Only time will tell who is right.
No, Visser needs those patented ENGEL/LQMT machines to succeed...and he'll get them...if he can see past the nose on his face.
Another issue....whose buying those extra shares and what kind of influence may they have on management decisions? Someone(s) seems to want to take the risk...perhaps we'll have new minds in the game of how this progresses.
"Buy Out"...now that raises all sorts of speculative ideas. The ENGEL/LQMT machine certainly complicates things for APPLE as far as the "Non Ce" agreement goes. Is that why LQMT wanted more shares?? They knew what a spider web this would make?? And if Materion bid on it, or ENGEL...the same thing would happen. The Big Pockets would be APPLE. And I don't buy a "buy out' as a percentage of the current PPS. (Yes, wishful thinking). Wouldn't it be sweet if apple just took a tiny tiny smidgen of their cash hoard..like FOUR BILLION DOLLARS...and buys out LQMT...Oh Sweet Merciful Heaven...there would be dancing at the IHUB club that night. ENGEL would still be there, but since
the basic metal is no longer under patent...they could still make a hoard of money, selling Liquid Metal machines. But then that STILL complicates things for APPLE, having a Machine that can manipulate the basic metal..so APPLE is going to lose its handle on it anyway. Those machines can be sold to competitors of APPLE. BUT perhaps the basic metal can't be manipulated as well as some of the newer combinations of metal that STEIPP hinted. At least we aren't talking so much about "failure"..well, some are, but we know they are traders..and the last thing they want is to see LQMT going up steadily.
Another reason this "Visser" agreement has to be stopped. Its a dead end. The science of Metallurgy
is moving too fast. Barney better get 3D printers in, for whatever he's doing with "Cast Parts"...
or just be happy with racing cars. ENGEL knows, selling the machines is the quickest way to assure
a place.
Its nice you like another company making amorphous alloys... I'm sure there will be other companies making other such alloys. But you seem to be comparing the two when they are using different components. Aluminum is very nice, but LQMT/ENGEL is going after companies that want
a Ti based alloy. We already know the basic LQMT metal has lost its patent. Anyone can make it. That's the point of the ENGEL/LQMT machine. Steipp said it...and its obvious. Its the only way to get not only the alloy fielded around the world, but also the Machines to make it. That would kind of close the door on some of the competition. A PATENTED Machine. That's why the VISSER SOLE SUPPLIER was an utterly disastrous idea. There is no way VISSER could have expanded a marketing and prototype design base. Its so obvious now...and VISSER has to know...that the agreement
would never have taken off. ENGEL knows...you sell the machines..you have support services to help the companies...you are secured your customer base. This whole thing has transformed in the last year. We are on a totally different road...and it looks like a very good one..IF the ENGEL machine proves out.
We have arrived at the point where any thing can happen any day. From Patents, to contracts, to the Engel Machine and their first sale and first production run. I think all we get now is churning of facts, and manipulation by those that want to trade rather than hold. My goal now is August of 2014.
I'll come to read, and maybe post now and then to "grate" on some of the traders nerves. But if ever there was a time to hold...it is now..IMO.
GOOD LUCK. No one has a clue where this is going..BUT, we do have indications that WORLD WIDE production of the metal will soon begin, through ENGEL. That is enough for me, considering my shares and the "small" increase in price that will make me happy.
No Titanium in the patents...isn't this apples and oranges.
Have these patents been proven?? Or are they "stabs in the dark" as you said the FOAM/SHEET patents are.
I only know of one recent patent that was APPLE only...the "hoizontal/Vertical" issued patent.
From what we were told...50+ patents are still in for approval, and that number could be increasing.
I don't think those are "obsolete" or "die casting". Foam and Sheets "shots in the dark" is just an opinion. We do not know how far they have gotten. Ohmic Heating?? May run into many issues in mass production. As well as the bonding techniques. Since they are in "arbitration" with VISSER, I doubt Steipp would say anything about the ENGEL agreements.
It depends on what patents are involved. The basic metals patent has run out, but other configurations of the metal could be patented under APPLE/LQMT...Crucible, ...or are in process to be approved. Also, who knows that kind of processes that are patented are included in the ENGEL/LQMT machines. But yes, that does pose the issue of where this leaves the CE/Non Ce Agreement. We're still in the dark on so much of it. But it can't be denied things are moving forward. Im much happier with my investment now than before the CC. All we can do is wait.
Lets not forget the 50+ Patents LQMT/APPLE still have in for approval. We were surprised at the SHEET and FOAM patents in July...what other patents will surprise us..and Steipp did mention...more metal combinations are being perfected.
Just a heads up as I have given in the past. If you think things look brighter as to prospects...
and things may be very good in a year from now...you may want to consider holding your shares to reap the benefits of Long Term Capital Gains...which is about 15%, compared to short term CG Taxes of about 35%. Unless you think you can make more "trading"...at 35% tax on profits. We may be on a steady uptrend from here..with the words at the CC...Selling the machines world wide..that is going to get much more interest than having VPC trying to be the worlds LQMT manufacturer...all that was telling investors...was .."small time operation". Now it can be looked at as a WORLD WIDE distribution enterprise.
Good Luck.
Yes, that was a surprise. I had thought it opposite. LQMT claims against VPC. .Hmmmm.
Yes. I picked that up. That was good news to me. I posted that synopsis/resolution before the CC.
The main goal as Steipp said was to get the metal technology out into the world as quickly as possible...and having VPC being sole provider of parts was not going to do it. If Visser is cranky on the new idea, ENGEL selling the machines. then he can't see past his nose. He can buy machines like anyone else. There are many companies that won't want to buy the machines. And yes, I suppose those shares need to go back. I also think since LQMT and ENGEL co patented the machine, LQMT will get royalties on the machine sales...plus royalties on the other patents in the crucible that will be used. Steipp also mentioned new configurations of the metal..I'm sure those are patented too. I get knocked for seeing the glass half full..if I didn't...I wouldn't be in the stock. I thought the CC was "good news" for the future...for those willing to hold for more months.
And they'll sell early with all their "intellectualism" and have another investment regret to haunt them.
I'm happy with the CC and looking forward to Aug. 2014.
VPC could not have quickly become a world wide parts producer and distributor..as Steipp said...
they need to get the metal technology out to the world as quickly as possible...selling the machines
to make any parts the buyer wants was the best/only way to go.
Didn't he also say they were passed prototype. Sounds like they are ready to sell and ship...with ENGEL support technicians all over the world.
Last question was excellent. We have all wondered about the VPC ENGEL issue. Sounds good.
Next Milestone Date. August 2014. July 2013 worked out pretty well. Lets see what happens this time.
Hows this...DUE TO THE HUGE SPIKE IN THE PPS WEDNESDAY, AND THE HALT TODAY.....
I PREDICT WE OPEN AT 50 CENTS FRIDAY...SOMETHING BIG WAS ABOUT TO BE ANNOUNCED...TODAY.
SOMETHING VERY BIG...
those sitting on the side lines and traders...so sorry...you're going to miss another big one.
From the YOUTUBE "Liquid Metal" looking APPLE advertisement, to this...makes one wonder...how close we are...perhaps very close. Wonder just what that "Turn Key" machine can do. Many things seem to be coming together. And yesterday..the big spike...at the end of the day.
Thanks...just when we were on a run...oh well. Perhaps when it opens, we'll know what the spike was about...
Is it a "market halt" because of a computer glitch, or is it LQMT??? I can't find any news. If its a halt for LQMT...the good point is the spike yesterday with heavy volume...at the end...did someone get a news leak???
Hmmm...big spike yesteday and no trading today.....Schwab shows zero.
LOL....yes, this site has lost all credibility...controlled by "traders"...don't matter...we are on a ride no one can predict...and past history gives no clue.
An announcement at the CC could catapult LQMT to 30 cents before the markets even open.
There will be those on the sidelines as there were on the 300% rise in July. Still pondering and analyzing and pontificating. Time to place your bets. In or Out.
Yes. Lucky...they were hinting at Liquid Metal...why else make the metal liquid. KEEP your ENTHUSIASM. ..enjoy reading your posts...
I wonder if the LQMT/VISSER agreement could remain in place to take care of companies that don't want to buy the machines....while ENGEL/LQMT sells the machines. Then everyones happy. Except if the demand grows exponentially how many machines can ENGEL crank out to supply Vissers requirements, and also sell the Machines all over the world. That agreement for VISSER to be sole manufacturer of Liquid Metal Parts showed someone didn't have the visibility of just how big this could all get...perhaps that agreement was made when there were more limitations on what could be produced. The plot thickens.
I agree. With the machine...if its what we hope...the set up now is a set up for the future.
Distributing the machines, with royalties.. I hope Barney has a good head on his shoulders instead of being just a lucky mattress salesman.
I tried to find the earnings of Visser Precision Cast Parts. No luck. Anyone know??? Their site doesn't mention clients. Am I to assume Barney with the big bucks set up the Cast Parts company mainly for his racing?? Someone graciously told me Barney sold his furniture empire. My early morning "GOOGLE" indicated he still had it..but I had to get to the gym,so my search wasn't that long.
My only hope is that Barney doesn't have a bloated ego and so much money that with his "Liquid Metal" endeavor, he would rather destroy LQMT than let his fists off the agreement that he would be soul manufacturer of parts. I hope this Mega Millions Furniture Salesman will see that with success of LQMT his stock will be worth a fortune..(like he really needs another)...and he'll be able to fill many warehouses with ENGEL machines and do with them as he wishes...and lets LQMT go, to work with ENGEL in developing a world wide network of support for Liquid Metal mould machines. I hope Barneys ego isn't so bloated, or his thinking so fogged, that he can't see the benefits. With his wealth...many times feeding the ego is more important than making right decisions. (Ted Turner and AOL).
GOOD LUCK LONGS...hopefully this will turn into an LQMT/ENGEL match up that can finally get this
company going. Its all up to BARNEY..IMO. Unless LQMT has enough proof of non performance that the decision can be made quickly.
Nice to see someone else trying to put the pieces together on what may be going on behind the scenes....and your knowledge of "people". I agree with you on what may be happening. I checked Visser Precision Cast Parts. Could not find any "big return customers" as the web site indicates, but with Vissers money, who knows who came to who. Perhaps Visser convinced LQMT that he had great connections to "sell" the Liquid Metal concept, and promised to do so, for contracts. So LQMT had someone with deep pockets and connections. But also, as you pointed out..shrewed. Making an agreement that HE would be the only one to make parts, whatever way. Visser saw the future..but from reading about him..he also was VERY busy with his race car business. I can imagine perhaps
VISSER being hands on as far as his race car endeavors. He also runs Furniture Row..those are two very time consuming enterprises. (I assume he still has Furniture Row). So was Barney expected to work aggressively in getting his current cast parts customers to try "prototype" LQMT parts??? Is that what LQMT was expecting?? Is that what BARNEY said he could do??? But once he clinched the deal with the stock and the "I'll be the only parts maker agreement" he skipped out on marketing efforts...
too busy with his other enterprises. So LQMT scientists met with ENGEL scientists..Engel proposed a combined research effort..they developed the TURN KEY machine...ENGEL proposed selling the machines rather than making the parts through Visser because that was no way to rapidly expand
the use of Liquid Metal. Hence..the "non performance" of Busy Barney, and the need to cut ties. But Visser should have the foresight to know he can still have the machines and still supply Liquid Metal parts to his customers and increase his customer base...but his "I'll make all the parts agreement".
would have been a disaster to a world wide expansion plan.
I like the way you think...you're an observer of people.
Who cares. The bottom line is LQMT and ENGEL have not only developed a Patented TURN KEY MACHINE, but the intent is to sell the machines...NOT use the machines to produce parts in some warehouse resulting in very slow expansion. ENGEL is WORLD WIDE...they already have the infrastructure....so even if bad choices were made in selecting VPC, it resulted in what looks like a very good set up...with ENGEL... This may turn out to be "golden" for LQMT stock holders. Its too bad some are disappointed in this prospect.
Not really, its about a man named Barney Visser worth over 100 Million that wanted to control
the technology by being in total control of all items made...but now he's going to be in control of an empty ware house. LQMT has control over the NON CE patents in the crucible, and also, in partnership with Engel, control over the patent of the Turn Key machine. Everything is fine.
Much better than before. Before it was a production plan that was doomed because of its limited reach.
Now the Machines will be sold and LQMT will get royalties from the machines and the items made by the sold machines. ALL GOOD...IMO OF COURSE...ME being one of those seeing the glass half full, unlike some that post that for some reason want the glass to be half empty.
Most pedestals that individuals construct to stand above others are made of sand...
and the fall is always pretty severe to the psyche.
Everyones on an even level...the self professed know it alls, and the risk taking investors...no one has a clue what's going to happen. What a perfect situation. Leave your egos at the door...they will do you no good here.
The big question of the day is...if LQMT and ENGEL are going to sell the LQMT/ENGEL patented machines to manufacturers...their turn key machine....and Visser was only going to furnish warehouses and workers to make parts with machines supplied by Engel as part of a plan that no longer seems to be valid.......where does that leave Visser?? It leaves him with a huge number of LQMT shares...and a much better chance of having those shares increase in value...If LQMT can't prove non performance...still, where does that leave VISSER if the whole manufacturing plan has changed.
Comments are welcome...ego driven abusive comments are not. Some day I'd like to see the huge mansions some of the well known posters are currently living in.
Well, "POOP"..I'm not going back to look for posts..but within the last few days..one of the LQMT bashers stated the "bad guy" in this could be LQMT not getting a machine certified. What machine??
And since VISSER had a "Die Cast Company"..I assumed they were somehow involved in developing a machine for ENGEL to make. So if VISSER is only supposed to furnish a ware house....and people to run the machines...I wouldn't know where non-performance would come in. Seems like all they are doing is sitting on their collective butts right now. Is that what VISSER is doing?? Be that as it may, the plan now is to sell a patented machine out of ENGEL. Not the manufacture of parts. So what's Vissers participation in that case??? NONE??? No Manufacturing, No Visser??? If so, Visser has the funds to buy the LQMT/ENGEL machines and set up his own warehouse and start contracting out.
What machine made the "prototypes" springs and the "Canards" that aren't ready for approval??
LQMT has patents with APPLE, LQMT has a machine patent with ENGEL. Visser has a warehouse.
Anyone can get a warehouse and people to run machines. They have an agreement that only they can produce the LQMT product...except isn't that agreement meaningless if ENGEL is going to sell the machines to manufactures??
There have been some here that have deliberately led people astray to the negative side. Others observations not just mine. Some have gone from "Long Term Holders" to traders, and misled investors to enhance their "new" approach.
It is amazing how some invested in a penny stock can have such large egos..with very little behind it.
Little mice that roared.
As for my lack of knowledge...this whole thing has changed to such a degree, it puts all those "all knowing" of the past specifics...on the same level as newbies...THE WHOLE GAME IS CHANGING.
The "GURUS" no longer have their magic staffs of knowledge...VISSER is headed towards to the door because his services are no longer needed.