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I asked:
BTW, do you dislike "white" people, or harbour certain negative preconceived opinions??...
You responded:
do i dislike white people, wow ... well it is true that the great majority of devious self-serving arrogant lying cheating assholes i have known have been white english speakers of largely anglo-sajon protestant heritage, and these i absolutely detest, yes .... however, i put this down to the fact that i've spent the great majority of my adult life in British Columbia where folks of such heritage predominate, and at the same time it is true that the great majority of reasonable people i've known were of the very same stock ...... so you may draw whatever conclusion you wish from this ....
Hate was my conclusion.
RB was named for the high clay content of the banks of the Navesink River. At times the "banks" still look "red"... Your "red" rant sounds somewhat paranoid. How much of what you post do you actually believe?...
Now, answer the previous question... Do you think homeowners in towns like Red Bank should be forced to bare the cost of education and health care for those who are not in this country "legally"?... As for your claim that illegal aliens provide income for property owners. If illegal aliens were not paying the rents, someone else would be. If you are unfamiliar with the area, trust me on that one.... I fully understand the laboUr benefit. 8}
"Beef"??... Re-read you own posts. There's plenty of "beef" - none lean.
You sound very much full of hate. And that must be very hard for you.
By legal, I meant the equivalent of 'green card' in the US. I assume laws vary as to "legal" in different countries. But you know what I meant.....
we are not demented religious whackos - how many brown folk do you see blowing themselves up to kill civilians?
I said all the Mexicans I have known were very decent people, so why would you post the above?
well it is true that the great majority of devious self-serving arrogant lying cheating assholes i have known have been white english speakers of largely anglo-sajon protestant heritage, and these i absolutely detest, yes
What a positively hate filled statement. How sad for you...
Like Mexicans, I have found Protestant to be very decent people too. (Except the one's like mlsoft, who think the whole world will burn in hell, of course...I have no patience for that mindset.) But I suppose as with Mexicans, Protestants, and people in general - there are exceptions to the "decent" rule.
If you don't mind my asking, how did you become so full of hate? Tough upbringing w/intolerant parents, or something?....
Marcos, Where are you living now - Mexico or the US?
If I may be so assuming, you sound well educated, and that usually takes money.
That's the unfortunate reality. If I were to guess,
I'd say you haven't had a horribly difficult life. But I am guessing...
Probably much easier than even the "brown people" in Red Bank?...
You also sound full of hate. Are you?.....
So what's your beef, or story..... You're an activist, or passionate believer??...
marcos, If I were to move (illegally) to another country, say Korea or France, would I need to learn the language, or should I expect everyone else to adapt to my language? Would I be right to expect the citizens of those countries to foot the bill for my kid's education, and my family's healthcare??.. Just curious....
Fwiw, I have no "problem" with Mexicans. In my experience they are very decent, hard working people. I would not have had a problem with more legal immigration from Mexico. Unfortunately, our gov chose to allow immigration from certain Islamic Republics that harbour seething hatred for Americans, and the West in general. And look where we are now?.... Smart??...
BTW, do you dislike "white" people, or harbour certain negative preconceived opinions??...
I agree about the importance of fluency in more than one language. But English is the "first language" in this country. I agree language should be taught in school, but English needs to remain our first language. In RB, Spanish was made the "first language" in kindergarden classes. I object to that. And the cost of providing services to illegals has become a ridiculous burden.
I don't know much about Oakland's academics. But if the academics are sub-standard,
why would you send your kids there?
Ergo, If you lived in Jersey City, would you send your children to public schools, or pay privately?? Obviously, you would choose private, and eventually you would favor a voucher system, because of the cost burden. Many people believe a voucher system would force schools to improve thru competition....
What a great saying!!...
'bullshitting outside the box'
Perhaps a candidate with the ability to do so has a real shot at the White House in 04!!... 8^}
Which "brown man" are you talking about??.. So-called "brown people" have always lived in RB. RB is about as diverse as you will find - ethnicly, religiously, economicly, etc... There's "brown" and "white" middle class, rich and poor, a very busy soup kitchen, S-8 housing, and multimillion dollar waterfront homes, and the community has worked very well...
RB is a "melting pot" and it works well, in general. But the cost of educating children of illegals residing in RB is enormous. Is it fair for RB homeowners and tax payers to shoulder the cost burden. We are not talking about a couple of kids. We're talking about a very large percentage of children in the district's public schools. Maybe even a majority - by now... And the hospital, Riverview Med Ctr, eats the medical bills of the communities uninsured, passing the cost on to the "paying customers". Is this right??..
What do you think the current RB property owners ("white" & "brown") owe the pre-1600 "brown man" -- now, if anything??...
From NJ.com:
"Red Bank was incorporated as a borough in 1908. Its roots date back to the late 1600s, when English settlers began to fish along the coast and push slowly inland to carve out farms from the forests. The rich oyster beds and the fishery just offshore provided the settlers with a solid economic base. Seafood and farm produce was shipped to New York City, and manufactured goods were shipped back, establishing Red Bank as a thriving port".
Red Bank, NJ - fyi:
http://www.redbank.com/
RB, the melting pot -- once dubbed "Hip Town" by State and regional media, has worked very well for hundreds of years... And thruout the last century - was a hub for immigrants, many Italian, moving from Brooklyn. But the cost of providing for illegal immigrants has become excessively burdensome now. What is the solution??...
Banco Rojo??...
Marcos, Your thoughts on this one....
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=1058229
And yes I do understand the benefit of our having a cheap labor pool....
Ergo, A couple of questions...
Why do you think private school teachers are second rate?
I think studies would prove private schools provide better education at a cheaper cost. Look at the Catholic Schools in places like Asbury, Neptune, Newark or Jersey City, as an example of cost effective and superior ed alternatives. Their kids do get a better ed and discipline at a fraction of the cost of their public schools. Parents are eager to put their kids in those Cat. schools and are very willing to pay tuition. The ave tuition in the NJ Cat. schools is less than 3k per yr, while those public schools are getting enormous public funding (approx 14k per child per yr!!!) and have very little in the way of academic results to show for it.
Public education is a "class system" in the US. Don't kid yourself, and there's no need for any of us to take the moral high road on that one. If one can afford a more expensive home in a "nice" neighborhood, and pay higher RE taxes, one's child will get at least an adequate education. If one is less fortunate, the public education of their children suffers. That's a fact! Yet gov continues to funnel money into failing district, and those districts continue to fail. Proving that throwing money at a problem is usually not a solution. The system even encourages failure. Because the lower the educational standards, the more money the school recieves....
Lastly, if we were to close or outlaw private schools, that would remove parent's freedom of choice in education, and that is unAmerican. I would fear the day when gov. controlled the ed. was the only choice in America. You are suggesting a frieghtening loss of a most basic freedom. The freedom to choose how to raise and educate our children. Think about it...
If you were poor and living in Jersey City, would you still be an avid supporter of public ed? Or would you be looking for alternatives in education? Public school is not all it's cracked up to be, and it's anything but fair. If you have money, your children will probably recieve a good education, if you don't -- your children will not.
Brain, I may be a product of that "new math" -- altho I'm not really sure what "new math" is... And my life has turned out okay in spite of "new math".
What kind of math involves mental algebra? My middle schooler comes home with what looks like algebra (to me??) but needs to be solved "mentally" - in the student's head without putting pencil to paper.
I haven't got a clue on how to do mental algebra. Altho I could easily solve the problems with an algebraic equation.
Is my inability to think math a result of new math -- or something like that?.. Why do algebra without algebraic equations?
Read My Lips!...
Ex-president Bush says economy moving
Thursday, May 29, 2003 COLUMBUS — President Bush’s $330 billion tax cut will help give consumers more confidence in the nation’s economy, his father said Wednesday.
Former President George H.W. Bush, speaking before about 1,000 people at a meeting of the Ohio Chamber of Commerce, said the economy is coming out of a slump created in part by reports of wrongdoing at some of the country’s largest companies.
“Consumer confidence is coming back,” Bush said.
His son’s plan to ease the tax burden of families has come at the right time, he added.
“He’s got a rather radical idea: The more money you put into the pockets of the citizens, the better it is for the economy,” Bush said.
He urged the business leaders to become involved in their communities.
Copyright ©2003 The Repository
The Rise of a Bigger, Better Taliban
By Ted Rall, AlterNet
May 30, 2003
We told you so.
We warned the Bush Administration that invading Iraq would destabilize the Middle East and spread radical anti-American Islamism. We told the American people that taking out Saddam Hussein without a viable government to replace him would open a vacuum for anarchy, civil war and a power grab by radical Iranian-backed Shiite clerics. Now the antiwar movement's doomsday scenarios have been fulfilled so completely that military history scarcely mentions a more thoroughly botched endeavor – and we'll be living with the fallout for years.
When we argued that Donald Rumsfeld's low-budget occupation of Iraq would turn out as disastrously as it had in Afghanistan, right-wing Republicans called us stupid and un-American. Now that we've been proven correct on every count, is it too much to expect an apology? Maybe so. Given George W. Bush's performance on the economy and the war on terrorism (where's Osama? Saddam? the WMDs? the surplus?), betting against him hardly makes one a prophet. And no one is less pleased with the speed and totality of the Iraqi catastrophe than those of us who called it in advance........
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=16038
CODE YELLOW!! ergo, Put away your duct tape -- only if you trust US intel.....
Nation's Terror Alert Falls to 'Yellow'
U.S. Terror Alert Level Falls to 'Yellow' After Gov't Cites Apparent Drop in al-Qaida Threat
The Associated Press
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20030530_1709.html
In 1989 Saddam invaded another nation. Iran might be a completely different situation, tho.
Who will "cooperate" with us now??... Iraq represents an enormous foreign policy debacle for Americans.
Bush urges transatlantic co-operation
By James Harding in Krakow
Published: May 30 2003 21:55 / Last Updated: May 30 2003 21:55
http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=105...
Who will believe them now - much less cooperate? And wouldn't it be ironic if the French were proven right - ultimately?...
WMD in Iraq: who said what, and when
Sarah Left
Thursday May 29, 2003
Both Britain and the US cited an imminent threat from Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction as the justification for an early war in Iraq.
Two months after the war ended, no such weapons have been uncovered, and the White House has begun hinting that they may never be found.
Below are statements by some of the key players in the Iraq crisis concerning alleged Iraqi weapons of mass destruction:
"I have said throughout and I just repeat to you, I have absolutely no doubt at all about the existence of weapons of mass destruction. And rather than speculating, let's just wait until we get the full report back from our people who are interviewing the scientists."
Tony Blair, May 29
"Most people in intelligence weren't happy with the dossier ... The classic example was the statement that weapons of mass destruction were ready for use within 45 minutes. That information was not in the original draft. It was included in the dossier against our wishes because it wasn't reliable. Most things in the dossier were double-source, but that was single-source and we believe that the source was wrong."
Unnamed senior British official, May 29
"Saying that they can't find the weapons, and they may never find the weapons, blows an enormous gaping hole through the case for war that was made on both sides of the Atlantic. That has to be investigated - a [Commons] select committee is one way of pursuing it."
Robin Cook, Labour MP and former leader of the House of Commons, May 28
"It's hard to find things in a country that's determined not to have you find them. It's also possible that they decided to destroy them prior to the conflict."
Donald Rumsfeld, US secretary of defence, May 27
"I am obviously very interested in the question of whether or not there were weapons of mass destruction - and I am beginning to suspect there possibly were none."
Hans Blix, chief UN weapons inspector, May 23
"Before people crow about the absence of weapons of mass destruction, I suggest that they wait ... I remain confident they will be found."
Tony Blair, April 28
"I am absolutely certain that Iraq had illegal possessions of mass destruction and had them recently and therefore there is every reason why these ought to be found."
Jack Straw, April 28
"As I've made clear, we will find weapons of mass destruction."
Geoff Hoon, defence secretary, April 7
"We know where they are, they are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north of that."
Donald Rumsfeld, March 30
"Very clearly, we need to find this stuff or people are going to be asking questions."
John Wolf, assistant US secretary of state for nonproliferation, March 30
"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised ... Today, no nation can possibly claim that Iraq has disarmed. And it will not disarm so long as Saddam Hussein holds power."
George Bush, March 18
"We know from Iraq's past admissions that it has successfully weaponised not only anthrax, but also other biological agents including botulinum toxin, aflatoxin and ricin. But Iraq's research efforts did not stop there. Saddam Hussein has investigated dozens of biological agents causing diseases such as gangrene, plague, typhus, tetanus, cholera, camelpox and hemorrhagic fever. And he also has the wherewithal to develop smallpox."
Colin Powell, US secretary of state, February 5
"As a result of the intelligence we judge that Iraq has: continued to produce chemical and biological agents; military plans for the use of chemical and biological weapons, including against its own Shia population. Some of these weapons are deployable within 45 minutes of an order to use them."
British dossier on the threat posed by Iraq, published September 24 2002
Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2003
Why and where did the CIA go wrong in Iraq?
By B Raman
Monday, 26 May , 2003, 11:05
http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=13157324&vsv=73
.."The fact that Tenet has ordered such a review should not, therefore, be a matter of great surprise, but what has imparted unusual significance to the review is the embarrassing (to the US) fact that much of the so-called intelligence regarding Iraq's WMD capability and its links with Al Qaeda, which Colin Powell, the US Secretary of State, placed before the UN Security Council has proved to have been wrong."...
Iraqi scientists offer little new info under U.S., British probe
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/specialreports/iraq/s_134485.html
By Dafna Linzer
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Thursday, May 15, 2003
BAGHDAD, Iraq -- More than a month after Baghdad fell, American and British intelligence officers are knocking on the doors of top Iraqi scientists and asking whether Saddam Hussein's Iraq had chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs.
According to some of the scientists who once oversaw production of nerve agents and other programs -- and who no longer need fear Saddam -- the answer is a resounding no......
I don't know about horses, but Bruce is a Rumson, NJ Little League coach! Imagine your kid being coached by
'The Boss'! :) He's got a large property. I think there's a barn there. It wouldn't surprise me if they had horses on the property.
Bon Jovi lives on the other side of the river. What a spectacular house!! Bon Jovi's wife owns a small karate school locally. Geraldo moved away, a definate improvement!
One from the ever feisty, and still spirited, Sylvester! :)
On Wolfie & Vanity Fair:
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=1057828
"LIES LIES LIES". IMPEACH THAT LYING BIG OIL WHORE BUSH NOW!
http://msnbc.com/news/919535.asp?0dm=N13ON
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918
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An excerpt from the article:
"IN AN INTERVIEW in the next issue of Vanity Fair magazine, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz is quoted as saying a “huge” reason for the war was to enable Washington to withdraw its troops from Saudi Arabia.
“For bureaucratic reasons we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction, because it was the one reason everyone could agree on,” Wolfowitz was quoted as saying.
“Almost unnoticed but huge” was the need to maintain U.S. forces in Saudi Arabia as long as Saddam was in power, he was quoted as saying"....
Accept no substitutes!..
http://www.stonepony.de/
Asbury Park!! :)
Cheap housing on the West Side of RB and lots of money in the surrounding communities. Easy to earn a living -- lots of labor and housekeeping opportunities. RB aka "Hip Town" is a fun town, tho. They're trying to turn Asbury into another hip town, and thing are improving.
Free-Thinking Cat Shits Outside The Box
http://www.theonion.com/
Poll Shows Americans Still Support Bush, Still Stupid
by Brent "The Duke" Johnson,
NA!P NewsWire
http://www.satiresearch.com/go.asp?sid=18378
Sixty-five percent of respondents felt that, despite the lack of WMDs, it was "sweet" of Bush to go "kick some camel-jockey ass." Fully 72 percent of Americans would "enjoy drinking a cold one" with Bush and talk "war stuff" with the "Chief of the Army."
Bush Won't Run on Drug-Use, Desertion, Failed-Business, DUI Platform in Next Election
by Brent "The Duke" Johnson,
NA!P NewsWire
http://www.satiresearch.com/go.asp?sid=18380
"Other accomplishments on which Bush won't run include being the first person with criminal record to assume the presidency."
PRESIDENT PROMOTES COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATISM TO POOR, COLORED, CRACK-ADDICTED DEATH ROW INMATES
Address to Inmates of Pelican Bay Maximum Security Prison
http://www.whitehouse.org/news/2002/050102.asp
And neither Army or CIA "intel" should be confused with "intel" fabricated to advance a political agenda.
If that is indeed the case...
There's a local town (Red Bank - for those familiar) with a very large Mexican, and S. American population (illegal, of course). Two 2 of the 5 public school kindergarden classes are "Spanish speaking" kindergardens. The cost to educate the children of those not here legally is being paid for by the town's homeowners... Because academic standards are pitiful most of the homeowners send their children to private schools. Imagine that!!
Bush is still bashing in the military triumph. Saddam is gone.
But the economy is still struggling, serious questions are being raised about the Iraq offensive, and Nov - 2004 is still political lite yrs away... Bush still has the media but if public sentiment changes, we'll see what a loyalist Murdock really is. After all, the media is all about money too. Alot depends on how the Dems spin or handle the situation...
We shall see...
Evian summit won't heal deep wounds over Iraq
Suspicions remain between leaders on both sides of the Atlantic and their agendas differ widely
By Jonathan Eyal
http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/world/story/0,4386,192102,00.html
We are "safer" in a post Saddam world??... What was accomplished in Iraq, specifically??....
No joke - O'Reilly has said we've got major problems in Iraq re: chaos, and the gov owes the people an explanation if WMD are not found. O'Reilly is conservative, but Limbaugh he is not... :)
Administrators and bureaucratic stuff is my guess...
When has the public sector EVER done ANYTHING better than the private??... Education is no different, imo. FWIW, my older ones are in public because they'd rather give up a limb than leave their friends. Their doing fine, but if I had to do it over..... :)
Big Brother is Back...But In a Nice Way
http://www.villagevoice.com/fiore/
A "Kinder & Gentler" Big Brother, From our friend, Fiore!... :)
The anti-Rupert Murdock Campaign
http://www.mediadiversity.org/
"Fair & Balanced", of course!... :)
100th Civil Liberties Safe Zone!
Hawaii Is the First State to Defy Ashcroft
May 30th, 2003 1:30 PM
Nat Hentoff
n May 6, the commissioners of Broward County, Florida, in a unanimous vote, passed the 100th local resolution in the United States proclaiming "a civil liberties safe zone."
These resolutions are directed at the Bush-Ashcroft war on the Bill of Rights. However, the undeterred Attorney General is planning to introduce in Congress USA Patriot Act II, which would much more radically reduce individual liberties in the holy name of national security.
I use "holy" in reference to what John Ashcroft proclaimed on May 1, the National Day of Prayer. During a four-hour prayer service on Capitol Hill, he declared that "it is faith and prayer that are the sources of this nation's strength."
However, just as God is not cited in the Constitution, a rapidly growing number of Americans are insisting that neither God nor Ashcroft guarantees our freedoms in the Bill of Rights. These patriots believe, as Thomas Jefferson said, that the people "are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."
In the spirit of Jefferson, on the same day that Broward County became part of the Resistance, it was joined by San Mateo, Marin, and Sausalito counties, all in California. On April 25, Hawaii's legislature passed the first statewide resolution to preserve and protect the Bill of Rights. Alaska followed on May 22. On May 29, Philadelphia became the 116th town or city to pass one of these resolutions.
According to Nancy Talanian, director of the original Bill of Rights Defense Committee in Northampton, Massachusetts—where this grassroots renewal of constitutional democracy started—the term civil liberties zone means "a locale whose local government has passed a resolution declaring its commitment to protect the civil liberties of its residents."
Talanian is a longtime invaluable source of news of the Resistance for this column. Through the Bill of Rights Defense Committee's Web site (bordc.org), organizing tools and texts of resolutions already passed are continually available to communities that want to mount the ramparts.
"It took a year," Talanian points out, "for the first 50 locales to pass resolutions; the next 50 took just two months. A movement that started in progressive communities now includes many more mainstream communities, including Tucson and Flagstaff, Arizona; Dillon and Missoula, Montana; Blount County, Tennessee; and Minneapolis, Minnesota."
On National Public Radio's On the Media (April 29), Talanian was asked how she got involved in this awakening of the citizenry to realize that they can actually do something to defend themselves against a national government that is making up the rule of constitutional law as it goes along.
"I had worked to help end apartheid," Nancy said, "and I had done work to help bring democracy to Nigeria. When I heard terms like 'military tribunals,' it was reminiscent of what happened to Ken Saro-Wiwa and the Ogoni activists who were hanged by the Nigerian military dictatorship.
"And when I heard about detentions without charges, without trial, it was reminiscent of how the apartheid government of South Africa treated the African people who were fighting for their freedom, and I felt this was not my country if this was the direction that [the United States] was going in. I had to take action."
The thrust of the Bill of Rights Defense Committees around the country is—as Nancy Talanian emphasizes—to "ensure that there is a debate. There was no debate back in October of 2001, even in Congress [when the USA Patriot Act was rammed through]. Also, we hope we can have an impact on making sure there's a national debate before Patriot II—the Domestic Security Enhancement Act—is voted on by Congress."
From what I can find out, Ashcroft's plan may be not to introduce Patriot II as a whole, but rather to slip sections of it into bills dealing with national security. Fortunately, the ACLU's Washington staff and other civil liberties organizations keep a very close watch on bills the Justice Department can use to set more land mines for the Constitution.
But it is important to realize that the more than 100 civil-liberties-zone resolutions around the country include a requirement—sent to each of the federal legislators representing that community—that those members of Congress actively work to repeal laws and combat executive orders that violate the civil liberties enumerated in the Bill of Rights. I would also suggest messages of support to those members of Congress who already are demanding of Ashcroft, the FBI, the CIA, the Homeland Security Department, and others in the ever expanding web of surveillance that they tell us precisely how they are implementing these expanding threats to individual liberties.
Among the current, increasingly impatient watchdogs in Congress are senators Russ Feingold and Patrick Leahy (but not Charles Schumer or Hillary Clinton). And in the House, John Conyers, Jerrold Nadler, James Sensenbrenner, Dennis Kucinich, Barney Frank, Bernie Sanders, Bobby Scott, and District of Columbia delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton. This is a partial list, and I welcome the names of other unintimidated congressional patriots.
Worth attention is the following section of the State of Hawaii's resolution reminding members of Congress and other Americans of the Japanese-American internment camps ordered by President Franklin Delano Roosevelt and confirmed by the United States Supreme Court:
"The residents of Hawaii during World War II experienced firsthand the dangers of unbalanced pursuit of security without appropriate checks and balances for the protection of basic liberties."
And now, the resolution continues, "the citizens of Hawaii are concerned that the actions of the Attorney General of the United States and the United States Justice Department pose significant threats to Constitutional protections."
That resolution should have added to the list of despoilers of our liberties President George W. Bush, who has enthusiastically approved all this legislation and has told John Ashcroft that he is doing a "fabulous job."
In the 2004 presidential campaign, already well under way, Bush should be continually held accountable for violating his oath to protect the Constitution, very much including the Bill of Rights. But who is the Democratic presidential candidate to demand that?
Next week: New York City Council members and the New York Civil Liberties Union begin a Bill of Rights Defense Campaign!
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