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An announcement of the LQMT ENGEL machine being fielded, our purchased...or an announcement that the CANARDS for Lockheed Martin have been perfected and made by the ENGEL/LQMT machine..(NOT VISSER)....or more news on the Liquid Metal IPHONE..can all happen in 2014....perhaps taking LQMT up to $1. That will make it only 1/5 the shares needed for further financing....plus revenue will be coming in. There is always risk....
Just something to ponder about all the shares. "IF" the LQMT TURN KEY machine is proven...
and a few contracts are announced....and analysts start looking at LQMT.....and where the metal can be used....with the benefits of using it.....and with their patents....and with ENGEL making the machines....so what would be the "costs" to LQMT for the product??? Not much.... Materion would be making the metal..Engel the machines...with their infrastructure to support the machines....
all LQMT would be is a company with Patents worth Billions. Reaping the gravy train of Royalties and
revenues. A Metal that has the potential to be used all over the world..in every aspect of the market place.. Internet companies are worth Billions, have been bought out for Billions....and all they had was a web site and an idea. And some software designers. And all those internet companies when bought out before an IPO...had no revenues. Just potential.
Well, that certainly cleared things up. : - (
The DOW is at 16,000. Its been a ride of great bounty for stock holders....and 401K's.....I'm sure we have all looked at stocks we used to be in...and are shocked at how much they have gone up in the last few years....who in their right mind would park their money in a penny stock with no revenues,
and half a BILLION Shares out...with a very bad history...while a HUGE party has been going on
with most other stocks. So the question is not why are so few invested...the question is...why are the few invested....some childhood trauma that makes us risk assets on a bet with extreme risk???
Or, are we visionaries....that will be envied in the next year...as LQMT goes into the "dollars" in PPS.
We are clowns in investing now....but we may turn into geniuses later...it all depends on what LQMT does.
If those machines prove out...just do some figuring...on what that would be worth. What companies would want them....all over the world.
Much is coming in 2014. The Turn Key Machine has to make its appearance. And I can't see APPLE not bringing out something with Liquid Metal tied to it. The "intercept" tests at Lockheed Martin should be going on next year..supposedly that's when the Canards will be tested. New Patents Im sure will be discovered. ONE YEAR...just hold for ONE YEAR...and REAP the bounty of Long Term profits...
I know. I'm not going to obsess about it.... I'm in and holding for whatever comes. This is my last investment. So, it can be from the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, or road kill. If I haven't sold now, I sure aint going to sell with all this "new stuff' popping up. Machines and Patents. I'd hate to give up and then watch this stock spike to $1 or more....no thanks. I can take a big hit...I can survive...my life style won't change one way or the other. Not everyone is in that position. All I can focus on is the Crucible Patents, the ENGEL/LQMT machine and a Metal that can be used in so many applications world wide its futile to even list or discuss them. This isn't a product that will be "discretionary"....this metal may become the standard....everywhere....How many products can one say that about....
One has to consider the potential market, the potential uses and the potential demand to get past the enormous amount of shares....
Yes....that is the punishment of being a Long Term Holder. you don't get immediate gratification.
Traders get such gratification each week...small little prizes of cash...and then sometimes those prizes disappear from guessing wrong. But it doesn't matter, because its those little jolts of gratification that they seek. Long Term Holds, its a different story. Trading can become a narcotic. Long Term Hold, is a boring wait to see if there is a prize months ahead. I'm looking to August 2014. I used to be a trader. We have so much going behind the scenes with LQMT, it is astounding where we are from just a year ago. If LQMT goes to $3 and more..those that held will be able to tell themselves..the wait was worth it.
Dilution dilution dilution...broken record. APPLE announcing the use of Liquid Metal, and ENGEL announcing its first sales of the Turn Key Machine could pop the stock over $1, perhaps $2....
Lockheed Martin contract....perhaps $3....analysts commenting on the metal about it being a world wide product....perhaps $4....for those that got in for pennies...what, that isn't enough for you??
Because of Yamas post about the machines from the LQMT Blog, under the Chess category, I went back to the site and realized there are other posts under that heading that I missed. I thought I would be getting e-mail notifications on "new blog questions and answers" as I had gotten earlier. If you haven't read them...I suggest you do. The last ones I got notified about where in October. From the blog answers it sure seems things are cranking up along the lines of the ENGEL/LQMT machines.
LQMT seems to be further ahead that I thought. I'll be checking the blog regularly now. I can imagine what will happen to LQMTs pps when the first Licensee gets the Turn Key Machine.
Good Luck Longs.
well, there it is. What we've been waiting for. Thank you Yama. There should be a BIG sigh of relief by many LQMT investors. This makes waiting SO much easier...
Just something to ponder. If LQMT is close..with the Turn Key Machine, to get a contract with Lockheed Martin for the Canards, and Barney Visser is gung ho with Veterans which it seems he is...do you really think he's going to try and crush a company that may be able to save many soldiers lives with their technology???
I remember "Fraud" being used either by a poster describing the charges or the charges.....my basic premise stands. Some seem to have a love affair with Barney Visser, perhaps influenced by his enormous wealth...which isn't really any indication of how he runs a business. Tyrants can run successful businesses. Whether it be wars, like Vietnam or Iraq, or business problems....its always best to try and see into the mind and demeanor of those involved. Yes, Barney went into the service during Vietnam...so did I..so what. I could go back and check where "Fraud" was mentioned first...
but its really not that important....our task is to sit and wait it out....for LONGS....
We don't know how contentious the relationships with Visser has been. From what I read he has seven kids..adults..I would imagine. Are the running CastParts?? We don't know Barneys demeanor in business. From what I read from employees comments that work at the Furniture enterprise....management doesn't listen to anyone.
Is that a continuation of Barneys style?? Could Barneys demeanor to LQMT be.."stay out of my Cast Parts Business, I know what I'm doing". And could those prototypes be partly hand made, and LQMT didn't have a clue what was going on?? And when LQMT called they would get a secretary saying.."Sorry, Mr. Visser is out at the track." Was Barney working with the LQMT scientists??
If bloated egos got involved in all this..)...and LQMT was so frustrated that now they are calling it "fraud"...why would they come knocking on Vissers door to tell him about the ENGEL/LQMT machine. Fraud means one party doesn't trust another. You don't divulge your plans to people you don't trust...and are about to charge them with fraud.
I feel the same way. The "flowing metal" was an obvious reference to Liquid Metal. Why would they tease on something that's not coming. I think it was a big hint that it is coming. Not sure if it indicated "soon"., but APPLE does like to surprise, and shock. And a Liquid Metal phone would certainly shock. Could that be why Engel is remaining silent on the machines??? If they were ready, wouldn't APPLE be the first one to buy them?? I would think APPLE would have first bid when those machines were ready since APPLE's patents would be used. There are so many new aspects in all this now, you need to be a Sherlock Holmes to try and figure it out.
LOL...no....but I like to connect dots, with people, and situations. Things just started to line up. We'll see if I'm right. All the pieces seem to fit. I cannot see Visser losing in this. Nothing is stopping him from buying the LQMT/ENGEL machines. He can transform his "Cast Parts" business to "Liquid Metal" parts....I step back and I can see everyone coming out a winner....Its too bad it has gone to arbitration.
Barney needs to release LQMT to produce the ENGEL TURN KEY machines...so he can get some and become a Liquid Metal parts distributor.... He'd win that way, and with the LQMT stock he has.
Hopefully "tempers" will ease, and Mr. Mattress will put his EGO back into his pocket and see the whole picture.
The "Fraud" may be Visser promising his "Cast Parts' company could provide production quality items...he may have kept LQMT out of his "business" and LQMT found out Visser was making
Cast Parts, and then refining them by hand, and telling LQMT the parts were made in a "production" environment. And Visser probably promised his over sight, and they found out he was a big party boy,
with his NASCAR folks....and was spending little time in the shops. Visser, a man that made a fortune in his younger days....and now...races NASCAR for a retirement hobby. No time for "real work".
He threw a bunch of money towards LQMT...secured his place in the new technology and then did nothing with it. Those prototypes never went anywhere because Visser couldn't make them with rapid consistent quality. IMO. He tried to pretend he could...as his "workers" tried to perfect making them...until LQMT found out they were being lied to. Many different stories could be true..including this one.
If APPLE is going to make Liquid Metal products, or have someone make them.....what machines are they going to use???
Barney probably sees a great opportunity IF the Engel/Lqmt machine works. Nothing would keep him from buying the machines and continue on as was planned. All he does is lose exclusive rights to all production. He will lose that but he really loses nothing. He knows how things were going wasn't working. He KNOWS he wasn't able to go full production on anything...if he was able to, they would have contracts now. If he's a smart man, he will want LQMT to succeed...some here on their knees worshiping what a great Business Man Barney is...well, if he is...he knows where LQMT is going...is the best way..and he loses nothing. HE GAINS the ENGEL/LQMT machine..as many as he wants to buy.
Trader or short...not fooling anyone.
Fiduciary duties??? What can they do?? They were running out of funds. They had to give stock gifts
to keep qualified people on board. We don't know just how bad the Visser arrangement was...but I think I have a pretty good idea. Cast Parts for prototypes with a lot of "hand grinding" ..to make it acceptable. I have a good idea why we never heard about the prototypes after the initial notice.
THEY COULDN'T MAKE production runs...And where was BARNEY during this?? I got a pretty good idea..ZOOM ZOOOM NASCAR....he let his underlings work with LQMT... So LQMT started working with ENGEL..for a whole new concept...SELL THE MACHINES...NOT THE PROTOTYPES AND PARTS....
Now we have more patents....APPLE has more patents into the Crucible. How can some not see this is much better than it was...we were at a DEAD END with VISSER...and no one saw it.... NOW..we are in a situation of being part of a WORLD WIDE NETWORK to sell the machines...getting royalties and revenues from it all....
Strange, but it seems some that have been in the stock many years, and many of those years were when the company was close to a "scam"...now that it seems to have taken a new direction with
great potential....new patents, new ways of getting the metal to world wide distribution...with ENGEL...they are even more negative. I even look at the Visser plan and now see there was no way Visser could have gotten ramped up to a world wide network...If anyone still sees a greater potential with VISSER would they please describe how that was going to work on a large scale??? A company run by a man that spends most of his time working with NASCAR racing?? I bought the premise of VISSER, but that's when we were all taking about small prototypes going to a few contractors...that vision was peanuts...to what is in the works now.
Just on CNBC...APPLE had 15 acquisitions last year and seems to be heading for more this year. It seems to be their answer to Carl Icahn and another big players demand that APPLE do something with their cash hoard...also, perhaps the government wanting companies with huge cash accounts over seas, that haven't been taxed..to do something to bring taxable revenue to the US. APPLE has about $150 Billion in cash... Is it too far fetched..to think "if" APPLE bought LQMT it would be in the "few Billions"?? That would also give them a manufacturing base in the US..maybe to hold off China copying every thing they do.
Its about PATENTS and "Ideas"...just like the Internet companies...some not even on the stock market...many with no revenues...being sold for a few Billion. Steipp knows what the company is worth as far as the future...he already stated it...APPLE knows what its worth in the market place..
its "OLD SCHOOL" to predict a buy out "times market cap"....those days are gone...
GREAT find. From day to day we can expect news to come from any direction, as this technology gets accepted into the market place...Its coming people...just have patience.
Good Luck Longs..
Well, at this point, the idea of Steipp and LQMT doing nothing has no merit. A LOT is going on.
APPLE Patents, 3D patents, Engel/Lqmt Turn Key Machine Patents.... Apple must be really going gangbusters on this. Things are POPPING....we just can't see behind the curtain. But we can hear a lot of noise going on. As others have said...with all these irons in the fire...just one announcement could set the stock off in frenzied buying. That day comes closer each day.
Good Luck Longs.
Yes...its hard to ignore the potential....its like someone with "vision" looking at JOBS computer in his garage.., with Wozniak explaining it...and the individual..sees a computer in every home...so buys stock right at the IPO....and holds it...
well, I wonder how many machines will be required for APPLE to make all its products from Liquid Metal...if ENGEL and LQMT have a patented machine....whose going to get the first 100's of machines...If that machine is perfected...and APPLE becomes a buyer...can you imagine the stampede from other companies...to want it?? Not just CE. Everyone. APPLE will be the "stamp of approval".
So if APPLE buys LQMT...then they own all the patents in the Crucible...and will be part owner of the
ENGEL/LQMT patent...what a tangled web that would be. And I'm sure all involved know the value of LQMT....the future value...that's what it would be based on... A few BILLION I would imagine.....
INTERNET companies are bought out in the "BILLIONS"...even with no revenue...its all out potential revenue.
I think $4 a share sounds good...considering the future potential. Yes..I'll be happy with $4 a share..
Could it possibly be that APPLE may consider branching out into a completely different area???
That "Saucer" office building can hold a LOT of scientists...and Engineers.
HELP.. THE traders are ganging up on me...LOL...
So i have a reason to post here..I'm invested....but why are you spending your precious time here...if you're not invested.
Someone seems very upset at forward looking positive posts with rationale behind them.
It makes traders grumpy.
Lets hope. I'm trying to have a "long term hold" outlook, but a few crumbs our way would help.
I have a feeling this is what the separation from VISSER is about...I think they were able to make prototypes...but they could not go full production because there was too much "refining" of parts later., probably by hand..Vissers machines, whatever he was using...wasn't working...in the mean time, ENGEL got with LQMT..and ENGEL probably proposed an idea for a TURN KEY machine...I figure ENGEL was the one because they knew the capability of their plastic mold machines..so, the LQMT scientists and ENGEL scientists...developed the TURN KEY machine while VISSER struggled trying to make parts that didn't need so much refining. And I think everyone started to realize that the initial plan for VISSER to have total control of LQMT parts made..was an idea that could not get off the ground...in many ways...quality of workmanship and fast distribution to gain a foothold in the market place..and the ENGEL machine and ENGELS support services all over the world was the answer. I think this "legal" battle..won't be a battle..I'm betting VISSER will be giddy about getting some ENGEL machines right away...so he can get contracts...unless his time is taken up so much with NASCAR..which I believe it is....I have read about it on the internet...
That was only an example of "waiting"....and you don't know how this is all going to develop.
Suppose Engel gets the machine out...and the world goes wild for Liquid Metal...its going to take awhile for those machines and parts to grow...and revenue to grow...it may take years..this could all be the birthing of a metal that will replace many metals. New patents in 3D printing...new combinations of the LQMT metal...it could go on and on. The real problem is many are itching to sell..so they can go onto something else...not really to make money..although that's what they will tell themselves...its to keep in the excitement of buying and selling. I imagine there are many here that had invested in a few companies..and they sold early...so they could "keep in the trading game"..and those stocks they sold, later skyrocketed over several years...and could have made them the fortune that they are still seeking. And I bet most that had such stocks...including me...don't have a valid answer as to "why" they sold that stock....except they got bored waiting...
I used to post on this board..for people to look at the longer term...that was months before July.
I told them to wait until July..I said July is my "mile stone" month, so I wouldn't go crazy watching the stock every day. And it was very strange that in Mid July it went up 300%. Now I'll say again...I'm looking at Next August, for something to happen that will raise the PPS significantly. What will happen?? I don't have a clue. But the IPHONE 6 is due around that time. I imagine if that ENGEL machine exists...we'll know a LOT about it by August. Some don't like the idea of waiting that long because they're "hooked" on trading. They want to be "hands on in the game". I used to love it..now I hate it. Many times the greatest wealth came over decades..of waiting. Look at the investors in Berkshire Hathaway. Was it worth the wait?? OH YEAH... Just be excited about where the company may be headed..and what LIQUID METAL may mean to the world. As others have posted..this metal could eventually be used in all aspects of life. The list is too long to even fathom. is that not worth the wait?? Its like investing in APPLE...when Jobs was still working out of a garage...you can be excited about the potential...but you know it will take some time...HEY...300% gain is NOTHING to sneeze at...
it may be just a penny stock, but those that were in saw their "stock wealth" triple...Look towards August...don't look for something to happen any day now.
Its what happens when you miss a 300% gain in July. A few must be banging their heads against the wall every day...and are trying fruitlessly to get the stock back down to 6 cents... So much for all their "DD".
Many times the more risk of the bet, the bigger the pay off. Those that got in with Warren Buffet when he first started his fund...they are worth tens of millions. Those that got into APPLE before Wall Street had a clue that computers would be used in homes. IBM refused to make Home Computers...they saw no market. Oh, the list goes on and on and on. When AOL first came out..Wall Street and all financial magazines laughed...because there was no way anyone could make money on the internet.
LQMT has turned a corner. The Visser plan was DOOMED to failure. Anyone with a marketing sense..
should be able to see the logistics of a "one source" establishment to service the whole world with Liquid Metal will not work. Its not the "best product" that wins many times...its the product that takes the biggest market share before anyone else. ENGEL will be able to do it. VISSER didn't have a chance...unless someone could explain just how Barneys' company could make it work.
Think for the long term. Things are just getting started. If we can believe the LQMT/ENGEL machine then a whole new concept in fielding the metal is coming. Parts made right at the buyer location. More revenue streams for LQMT..I assume. Royalty from the patented ENGEL/LQMT machine, perhaps royalty payments from the parts made from the machines that use Crucible Patents. We will see where Visser fits in, but it seems logical he will be happy with the ENGEL/LQMT machines to distribute parts...which will be another revenue stream for LQMT. And more patents are in for approval.
After all this time a ground work seems to be getting in place for world wide use of Machines and Metal and patents. Now we just wait for "news". Liquid Metal, with MILLIONS of uses. How much is that worth world wide. Tens of Billions??? How much would that make the stock worth.