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Yes more evidence A Rate hike would be beneficial, unlikely but hoping the surprise raise rates and next weeks meeting. As the dollar increases oil will stabilize and help further growth.
Yes Hinchback US Growth Better then expected, hey can you post the link where you saw this story. Thanks man.
Where the hell do i find a renko chart on stockcharts?
Lol, no he actually ran for president this year.
I m a guru on the candlestick charts, but a grasshopper here i will have to study first, but im sure we will all become masters.
I wont give up on my candlestick but a new tool in the bag is always helpful.
Lets study what renko has to say on a particular stock?
You pick the symbol and will figure it out, both give our opinions. At this moment i know nothing about Renko charts.
So it starts.....
Interesting Scan thanks!
Is your name Stan>? because that sure sounds like one hell of a plan!
Moody's, Standard & Poor's and Fitch <> From another board!
Moody's, Standard & Poor's and Fitch
20-Jun-08 09:57 pm Their Laundry list of
LONG-STANDING PROBLEMS
Cox, who was speaking on the sidelines of the 2008 International Organisation of Securities Commissions conference in Paris, said there were long-running problems concerning the rating agencies.
>>1) The rating agencies had already come under fire from 2001-2002 for not having spotted signs of problems at Enron and WorldCom
>>2) the U.S. utility and telecoms giants that went bankrupt after the publication of fraudulent accounts.
>>3)In the largest municipal bankruptcy in American history, in Orange County (1994), we had the same problem of paper being rated very highly on the eve of collapse," said Cox
>>4)Cox said there were similarities between the rating agencies' decision to rate certain subprime assets with investment grade ratings and earlier decisions to give out similarly high ratings to assets that later proved worthless.
"These problems are long-standing, and they need to be addressed"
***What are waiting for # 5
Come on.
FOMC meeting tues and Wednes.
might be a good one
alot of revolving,involving, evolving cash is now trash
http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_(A_to_Z)/Stocks_A/threadview?m=te&bn=126&tid=100076&mid=100076&tof=4&frt=2#100076
Thanks, thats Uncle Ron at work. Marking you as well.
Hey, im so use to candlesticks charts this is a new way for me to look at charts. Good to know many ways to skin a cat.
Tia
cheers
Have a good wknd
stop by> http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/board.aspx?board_id=12634
All market talk welcome small caps and big.
hope to see ya there.
I mean is this the Best you could do Moodys S&P SHORTS!!!!!!
Pathetic, with all your gloom and doom and the market tanking, this stock is virtually unchanged.
pfffffffffff ^_^
Thats one reason, there is virtually no downside left they have billions in assets, they are not going under. All the negative news all ready priced in. In time with legislation helping the munis will come back quickly. Its obvious by todays action, there is very little room for downside. The sky has allready fell when the stock was 90 50 40, 30 etc it has very little room to go any further. Any good news will send it.
Dont believe the doom and gloom, this stock will be good shor term and longterm.
We just need Glowboy to show up, market usually rallies when hes around.
Goodwknd chief, Lets find some winners on the scans.
Joke Time! VOL#1 THE PHOTO
The photo
Body: After a long night of making love,
the guy notices a photo of another man,
on the woman's nightstand by the bed.
He begins to worry.
'Is this your husband?' he nervously asks.
'No, silly,' she replies, snuggling up to him.
'Your boyfriend, then?' he continues.
'No, not at all,' she says, nibbling away at his ear.
'Is it your dad or your brother?' he inquires, hoping to be reassured.
'No, no, no! You are so hot when you're jealous!' she answers.
'Well, who in the hell is he, then?' he demands.
She whispers in his ear 'That's me before the surgery.
Its friday night, woot! Have good wknd!
Yeah they did that propoganda thing with rbs other day, fictious leaks and what not. That my point, when every idiotbox on news is preaching gloom and doom. I get the feeling that someone is trying to steal my shares.
Hence why i put up the definition of Contrarian investing up.
We wont be fooled again, should see a bounce soon.
Did you see the news about lawmakers helping Munis. S@P Moodys are paid shills. They tried so hard to bash abk with downgrade and stock was barely effected accept as a buying opp for longs, then closed basically unchanged on a day when the dow was 200 points red! That the best the shorts can do, it wont go much lower now, so its up time soon.
_^_
Yeah
Warren Buffett
You are neither right nor wrong because the crowd disagrees with you. You are right because your data and reasoning are right.
Pelosi and Reed traitors, Feingold Hero!!
No diamonds No pressure! Message #296 was for you!
My guess Real big news coming. I believe the meeting went well with regulators, and looking forward to some real good news up until earnings.
“If a business does well, the stock eventually follows.”
Warren Buffett quote
#board-12634
“Only when the tide goes out do you discover who's been swimming naked”
Warren Buffett quote
Welcome to the United Front=]
I love all the pics here! "Those who sacrafice liberty for security "deserve neither ben franklin!
I would love to see a Surprise rate hike next week. I think that would really get the fun to begin.
Strengthen dollar , if you build it they will come.
He says Invisible Hands i can assure you its not me LOL.
The market is full of oil and the rising price trend is "fake and imposed," Iran's president said on Tuesday, partly blaming a weak U.S. dollar which he said was being pushed lower on purpose.
Market Full of Oil, Price Trend 'Fake': Iranian President
Topics:Middle East | Iran | Energy | Commodities
Sectors:Oil and Gas
By Reuters | 17 Jun 2008 | 03:36 AM ET
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The market is full of oil and the rising price trend is "fake and imposed," Iran's president said on Tuesday, partly blaming a weak U.S. dollar which he said was being pushed lower on purpose.
Hasan Sarbakhshian / AP
"At a time when the growth of consumption is lower than the growth of production and the market is full of oil, prices are rising and this trend is completely fake and imposed," President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said in a televised speech.
"It is very clear that visible and invisible hands are controlling prices in a fake way with political and economic aims," he said when opening a meeting of the OPEC Fund for International Development in the central Iranian city of Isfahan.
Iran, the world's fourth-largest oil exporter, has repeatedly said the market is well-supplied with crude and blames rising prices on speculation, a weak U.S. currency and geopolitical factors. (Video: Congress looks at speculation in the oil market).
"As you know the decrease in the dollar's value and the increase in energy prices are two sides of the same coin which are being introduced as factors behind the recent instability," Ahmadinejad said.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/25203094
Contrarian investing
In finance, a contrarian is one who attempts to profit by investing in a manner that differs from the conventional wisdom, when the consensus opinion appears to be wrong.
A contrarian believes that certain crowd behavior among investors can lead to exploitable mispricings in securities markets. For example, widespread pessimism about a stock can drive a price so low that it overstates the company's risks, and understates its prospects for returning to profitability. Identifying and purchasing such distressed stocks, and selling them after the company recovers, can lead to above-average gains. Conversely, widespread optimism can result in unjustifiably high valuations that will eventually lead to drops, when those high expectations don't pan out. Avoiding investments in over-hyped investments reduces the risk of such drops. These general principles can apply whether the investment in question is an individual stock, an industry sector, or an entire market or any other asset class.
Some contrarians have a permanent bear market view, while the majority of investors bet on the market going up. However, a contrarian does not necessarily have a negative view of the overall stock market, nor does he have to believe that it is always overvalued, or that the conventional wisdom is always wrong. Rather, a contrarian seeks opportunities to buy or sell specific investments when the majority of investors appear to be doing the opposite, to the point where that investment has become mispriced. While more "buy" candidates are likely to be identified during market declines (and vice versa), these opportunities can occur during periods when the overall market is generally rising or falling.Contents [hide]
1 Similarity to Value Investing
2 Notable Contrarian Investors
3 Examples of Contrarian Investing
4 Relationship to Behavioral Finance
5 See also
6 External links
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Similarity to Value Investing
Contrarian investing is related to value investing in that the contrarian is also looking for mispriced investments and buying those that appear to be undervalued by the market. Some well-known value investors such as John Neff have questioned whether there is a such thing as a "contrarian", seeing it as essentially synonymous with value investing. One possible distinction is that a value stock, in finance theory, can be identified by financial metrics such as the book value or P/E ratio. A contrarian investor may look at those metrics, but is also interested in measures of "sentiment" regarding the stock among other investors, such as sell-side analyst coverage and earnings forecasts, trading volume, and media commentary about the company and its business prospects.
In the example of a stock that has dropped because of excessive pessimism, one can see similarities to the "margin of safety" that value investor Benjamin Graham sought when purchasing stocks -- essentially, being able to buy shares at a discount to their intrinsic value. Arguably that margin of safety is more likely to exist when a stock has fallen a great deal, and that type of drop is usually accompanied by negative news and general pessimism.
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Notable Contrarian Investors
Warren Buffet is a famous Contrarian, who believes that best time to invest in a stock is when shortsightedness of the market has beaten down the price.
David Dreman is a money manager often associated with contrarian investing. He has authored several books on the topic and writes the "Contrarian" column in Forbes magazine.
John Neff, who managed the Vanguard Windsor fund for many years, is also considered a contrarian, though he has described himself as a value investor (and questioned the distinction).
Mark Ripple is a money manager / author of Handicapping the Wall Street Way who has been described as a reverse-contrarian because of the way he finds bettable favorites at the racetrack.
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Examples of Contrarian Investing
Commonly used contrarian indicators for investor sentiment are Volatility Indexes (informally also referred to as "Fear indexes"), like VIX, which by tracking the prices of financial options, gives a numeric measure of how pessimistic or optimistic market actors at large are. A low number in this index indicates a prevailing optimistic or confident investor outlook for the future, while a high number indicates a pessimistic outlook. By comparing the VIX to the major stock-indexes over longer periods of time, it is evident that peaks in this index generally present good buying opportunities.
Another example of a simple contrarian strategy is Dogs of the Dow. When purchasing the stocks in the Dow Jones Industrial Average that have the highest relative dividend yield, an investor is often buying many of the "distressed" companies among those 30 stocks. These "Dogs" have high yields not because dividends were raised, but rather because their share prices fell. The company is experiencing difficulties, or simply is at a low point in their business cycle. By repeatedly buying such stocks, and selling them when they no longer meet the criteria, the "Dogs" investor is systematically buying the least-loved of the Dow 30, and selling them when they become loved again.
When the Dot com bubble started to deflate, an investor would have profited by avoiding the technology stocks that were the subject of most investors' attention. Asset classes such as value stocks and real estate investment trusts were largely ignored by the financial press at the time, despite their historically low valuations, and many mutual funds in those categories lost assets. These investments experienced strong gains amidst the large drops in the overall US stock market when the bubble unwound.
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Relationship to Behavioral Finance
Contrarians are attempting to exploit some of the principles of behavioral finance, and there is significant overlap between these fields. For example, studies in behavioral finance have demonstrated that investors as a group tend to overweight recent trends when predicting the future; a poorly-performing stock will remain bad, and a strong performer will remain strong. This lends credence to the contrarian's belief that investments may drop "too low" during periods of negative news, due to incorrect assumptions by other investors regarding the long-term prospects for the company.
David Dreman is on the Board of Editors of the Institute of Behavioral Finance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrarian
Contrarian investing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrarian
Even worse if good news is near! =^-_
A shorts Nightmare.
Shares Float 7,400,000
Total Shares Outstanding 15,135,765
% Owned by Insiders 51.10 %
% Owned by Institutions 17.60 %
Short Interest (Shares Short) 1,203,300
Short Percent of Float 16.26 %
Yep, come over here more. We are on the same wave length.
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I think it would be so Kool if Fed raised rates by 25.
That would make us rally, doubtful it happens but if it did the surprise factor would be awesome. Dollar would fly oil die.
Next week, out come of oil meeting and Fed meeting tues wed!
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Yes all the bad News from crooks at moody's S and P had little effect, i called this right on last night, when i said i hope the dumb asses sell me cheap shares.
One man gathers what another man spills.
Read the time i wrote that last message. stock was
2.28 then. Crystal ball working again.
Whackyday, Small cap markets acting up as broader markets decline.
So i picking up a basket of small cap specs. put one of them in encrypted message back a few messages.
The other 2 are BNPD .0007 could see .01-.02 time weeks months
and Eful .0025 hearing possible .05+ in time. So keep them under the radar for now, but heads up.
Im using just 1-5k taking some educated speculation.
Yep, Raise your asks as high as you can shorts screwed now that no weak longs selling, and insiders own 52% and shorts 1.3 on a 7 mil float. wouldnt be surprised to see 2.50 close then gap to 6 next week or so. See chart.
Yea earnings coming not too far away, its easy for stupid shorts to attack this as just any regional bank. What they fail to realize is there is a good plan in place so much liquidity and a favorable capitol structure. This thing will be right back in the 4-6 range in no time. When you have this much negative sentiment, some real good news can go a long way!
wink ^-^