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What's so haha? I don't thinks it's funny...
Do you have something to contribute?
Well 2 things. Find a brokerage that does....and I would way rather lose 8% and be out to re-evaluate rather than be down 66% while I continue to avg down....greeting worse....
Shoulda coulda woulda......and getting worse (for the currents momment atlesst)
You know as well as I do dilution has nothing to do with cfp. It's the lack of price pressure that is the "current" signal.
Do you know why all the shares ate being brought to market? That's the true question?
If you had $10k to invest in mslp how would you do it?
Would you buy $1k .0055 with a stop at .005 and lose $90?
Then invest $1900 at .0048 with a stop at .0044$ and lose $200?
Then invest $2700 at .0041 with a stop at .0038 and lose $250?
Then invest $3450 at .0035 and a bounce to .005 and you make $1600 less losses of $600 = $1000 profit on 4k that's roughly 25%, but with only 40% o desired investment invested.
Obviously I rounded #s....what I'm getting at is this is about money management (and I wished I had followed the above....cause I wouldnt be down 60% on $20k). If we don't learn we will only lose....I'm learning the hard way!
Now to talk about concrete issues that concern us....has anybody figured out exactly where these shares came from? A filing? Or is this just "I read 2.35billin o/s"? O my gosh....oh no?????
Jw do you know how jltg new 2.35 billion o/s? For that matter anybody including jltg could somebody transparent enough to tell me where to look...
I thought an s1 was inclusive ....It seems like this doc reflects a different s1?
I didn't know they could have an s1 for every damn agreement ....
Can somebody straighten this out for me?
I never even went through previous s1's as I thought it was repetitive with updated info?
Just when I think I'm catching up I found out I'm years behind?? Can somebody tell me what I need to read?
Thanks
A patent infringement case with 30+ defendants and DEMAND A JURY??
LOL!!! Now thats funny!
What these kids need to prove to mom and dad that their law education wasn't a waste so they started their own firm? Why don't they just stick to sueing the university they got their education from??
Codie, from my research that case has no merit and will not cost mp anything to defend...if you have a contrary belief with something to back it up I would appreciate it.
I was actually quite happy to here they settled with beast as it seemed a lost cause, and only would have contributed to further and completely unnecessary dilution...
Just as I was happy to hear the settlement with JMJ.
Have you ever been wrong (honestly)? Cause here you haven't; atlesst not yet.
Regarding cfp: The pps is holding its all time lows with 400x the o/s and the mms spread could be waiting on actual accounting (last Q they introduced deferred rev).
But I'm a little shocked that you havent given the ss going forward more potential with the settlement with JMJ and southridge.
They also seem to be smarter about picking their battles as the decided give up their defense vs beast nutrition...was "beast mode" really worth lawyer fees of a few $100k at a penny or for that matter a half-penny?
It really "appears" that changes are being made head on!
who has the 83k bid at .0053 Etrade?
How long has it been sitting? Looks like you got skipped??
I've been in accordance with you all along with the effects of dilution and it's effect on MSLP currency, but have NOT been very effecient in understanding filings as they have been released.
I have taken the time to review and articulate my findings (albeit on a delayed basis) with my beliefs "hopes" of where the company is headed...without over reacting to any news, which has made me fail (to date) as a trader; as their have been multiple bumps to improve my position.
With that being said: Why do you perceive NO CFP and that the SS is headed in a continual spiral?
They have reduced warrants exponentially.
They have temrinated agreement with Southbridge.
They have settled with JMJ.
Why has MSLP made these drastic changes to SS and whom is holding these positions? Seems like a lot of work to go down the same path you are suggesting...
Also if the market is so in touch with what is going on....how come no reaction to the latest news?? It should be plunging based on some retail investor sentiment.
It's not that it's anymore relevant than the other questions...they all obviously have a great effect on the MSLP currency.
(I guess I shouldn't have used first and foremost - you looked too far into that part of my statement)
I'm just stating the fact that we don't know what they will be and it could be a tell. It could limit the need to further increase the A/S and show shareholder sentiment.
I thought you would attack/debate my other questions/statements??
That could be a plausible plan, but I have a few arguements...
First and foremost they have yet to announce the new compensation packages.
How would they increase and register the A/S in time for them to bonus themselves in the new share structured currency?
Why do you have a 0% speculation that they will be CFP?
If they are CFP and keep G&A under control (which it seems to be) why wouldn't they be able to get the PPS back up to .02 and that along with cash from CFP should put them in a position to raise cash for continued expansion....and as back to back Q's CFP come through their currency would constantly increase leading to less and less dilution?
I agree completely that this is a currency issue that is a limit on their growth which needs to outpace our basis % as shareholders....and also agree that the expansion model (not PPS expansion model) they have used leaves many areas for cutting(that's another reason I believe CFP and a very limited increase in G&A) with a model like this with no in-house cost, but all the data to support where cuts can be made is a very great position to be in.
On the last run in march how many sold at .02 and what percent of your shares did you unload at .019 or better on the day when the buyer showed his bet???
How solid is .02? I think it's a fake wall...the wall is .033?
I anticipate increased volume tommorow....
What the f am I missing? Somebody reach through the screen and say it right here in front of you...
We are at 1.5 billion - ad Vick 10m, spa agreement potential another 300mill (max), another endorsement?....
That's 1.9 billion? The other equity finance was terminated (300 mill)....so what am I missing?
Cfp is very possible and other than the current pps - I think it's here(pps is very intimidating)
I still want to hear the new comp packages...i will be in disbelief if the are as outrageous as past
What am I missing?
Trading question: if a mm has a bid of .02 limit order and I have a .013 sell limit order....what will ending up being my sell price?(wdig)what do I get?
Same scenario but mm has market buy and it hits my limit of .013?wdig
Then if mm has limit order .02 and hits my market order .016? Wdig(assuming my shares got taken)
Jltg, be frank with me....
When you say weight...you mean physiological?
Do you think that had hopes that the march pump could have gotten them over the hump and held, thus better dilutive financing?
You think they will still have to increase a/s if they are cfp?
When you say max o/s you mean register all shares and warrants?
What would your plan be to move forward?
Qbprofessor@yahoo
Int'l product roll-out in sp Brasil? I'm looking for work here and there...preferably both locations
They aren't going to r/s unless they are profitble. They would be better of just continually diluting from here.
What the f'n need is to get the pps up! The need to start raising capital for expansion at a better rate....they need to get atlesst 5x what they are getting now for diltutiin for capital raising purposes.
30 million shares still there? They did not cross?
What 30 million are you talking about? What do you mean not cross?
JW, why do you say sept 4th. The notice of effect filing was the 14th...atleast on Edgar?? Are you seeing something different (different source)? Or just a type error?
It was definitely atleast 18mill...I just thought maybe 180million. I am 100% sure it was atleast 18 million.
NITE was up with 8 million then a 1 popped up to make it 18 and another zero.
Why do you suspect 300mill more behind? VFIN already sold 47 mill September all of which I assume we after the the 14th? (that was date of EFFECT filing)
Also what/why are you speculating O/S is maxed out or A/S?
It was 18million though wasn't it? You dont think it will show up end of day? Form T?
I wanna know who bought that 18 million shares?
who wants out of 40K? 8mill shares?
I can't remember where seeing / hearing the info, but I think it's the line is dead as well as the Deal.
I fit in the right category....but also feel safe buying weekly like a mutual fund ....only problem is I've been buyin the dip fOr way too long and too much...and it's not a mutual fund!
But I believe if I stuck to plan until April 2013 I will have a decent stake with limited risk....if I buy weekly....so far so good, but baby on the way...brings some nerve....and new expenses
I vote Romney vp, and Obama as pres....
Let bizman do biz, let prom king make friends.....
Mp could learn from this.....brad swap positions with John.
Renn, another thing is mm's do play, but it's also their job.
Now I don't by means understand it all, but it is neccesay for them to provide the service they do and be prOfitable....
Imagine you had a 100mill shares; wouldn't you short atlesst 20% if not more to hedge your bet?
Is it easier to move the price between .0086 and .0043 than .03 to .015? They know with no news price will fall on its own with the impatience of ones day wonders(just how jumped in.) investors.
But I have noticed , wish I had taken notes as I went along, but a transition of mms on the bid and ask....remember they can always by with AON orders while they are actually in the ask and covering it up....thus making the pps appear to move in different directions....or actually move in opposite direction.
Again thoughts ....couldn't even put a theory out there....but its something
Crossroad, vfin total volume for sept was 47million....don't know what date selling started or how much was sell vs buy....thank you for reminding me this info is available....trying to see if I can get more up to date and accurate info....
Renn, I understand your feelings, but there is more than honesty at stake. Some people make a livelihood here and some lose it...I'm currently painfully red and over invested.
How long have you been trading / investing? How much time do you spend researching filings and public info?
This is my first investment, bought in feb a whole 35k shares at .011. Sold at .009 a few weeks later....but was following and chased the last run....now I'm avg in at .0133 for 1.3 mill shares....as it tanks I buy once a week...and not getting any better....but I spend atlesst 20 hours a week reading and researching (being dislectic slows me down and the fact I don't have mentor ....so more than half the time I look up useless info)
It's like anything in life, it's real, you have to do it...you can't just want it.
Example of what I found in a 8k in July:
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4.4 Capitalization. The authorized capital stock of the Company consists of 2,500,000,000 shares of Common Stock, and 5,000,551 shares of the Company’s preferred stock, $0.001 par value per share (the “Preferred Stock”). The Company has 1,857,648,788 shares of Common Stock issued and outstanding as of the Effective Date, and 241 shares of Preferred Stock issued and outstanding as of the Effective Date
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You see that o/s?. Now it has changed dramatically since because 1 deal was terminated and all the shares issued in exchange for warrants cancelled. Now if I found this then I would have sold and bought back later when more updates filings were made available to reevaluate the position of company.
As far as jltg...he frustrates me as well because he knows way more than he shares, but he doesn't bash...he tells it how he sees it from the outside without any tools; bad financing, CEO says bro, pps diving....what ate we going to say to him if the pps hits .045 and them drops back to .01 "he was wrong"?
I'm only saying this because you seem genuine, but it would help if you would try and dig deep for info and knowledge that would truely effect the pps....however you do ad some fun when u post under the influence.
Good luck....I'll share what I find, I just always hope its reciprocated.
Ive seen people pull that info, but I have no idea where to find....let me know if you come up with something.
What about this? http://www.facebook.com/worldhealthstore/posts/152582841548216
They are the largest distributor of supplements in china:
http://www.worldhealthstore.com.cn/
Thanks for the condolences. I'm seriously suprised is still tanking... I'll ad more if it continues to drop next week.
Where did you find they were doing a 45 day international product roll out?
How about 4.8 mill shares?
Your right arblv it doesn't. It means they are selling a lot of product....
That doesn't really fit your persona....brother?
What play lost youv40%?
3 awards. 1 brand if the year. Yup, I can totally imagine their sales dropping in q3 especially q4......another year with no cfp???
My a$$
Jltg, how did you know all those shares would be released?
Did you know it was going to change to o/s to 1.58 billion too?
Did you know both of these pieces of information at the same time?
Just asking because you pointed out to me(while you mentioned crossroad said only 80 million) the other day that you knew all these shares would be in the market?
I'd love if you told me exactly how and where you got the info, but a simple answer to the above would be appreciated.
One major thing overlooked I the fact that they outsource everything. They are essentially an advertising mechanism--a brand. When you start with this model there are great advantages. You have all the statistics in your palm and you decide when it is beneficial to take on more liability and responsibility to increase margins. They have unlimited possibilities to locate lost revenue...what do you think the new board was set up for.
Can't wait to hear the new comp agreements; their coming soon.
Now as I fly away hope....execs decline all bonuses for 2012 and return an additional 33% of bonuses already received and retire those shares!