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Pretty sure if we figure out who these T-Trades are for, we'll know who is behind holding this down. I didn't notice it until just now, but all of these end of day T-Trades are exactly 9% (9.05%, 9.06%, etc...)of the total traded each day. That's not by accident. There's been one every day, and they don't coincidentally all happen to be 9% of the days total volume...
Thx. I sent you a PM with more details…
Hey Coach, always appreciate your take/posts, but I would disagree with you on the being undervalued. Clone 3 alone puts us over $3, but I know the problem with that is that we haven’t heard a peep from them about anything C3 related in years. However, I do believe that’s because of NDA’s. My worry/concern is that Charles is intentionally sitting on BIG c3 news/results until the SAGA deal is done, so they can PR it under SAGA, not ENZC. In fact, I’d be willing to bet just about anything, that’s exactly how C3 news will play out…. I’d like to believe otherwise, but I’m just not expecting any news to be PRd under ENZC that will move this, as the shift to SAGA/new co has begun.
That said, I’m not an expert trader by any stretch of the imagination, but I pay attention and know enough, to say that we are not sitting/stuck down here by accident. Organic trading does not result in a 2.5+ year identical predictable pattern, such as the one we’ve been held to. Also, what I watched VIRT& OTCN do with their synced up algos on two separate occasions, told me everything. I don’t know who or why, but somebody wanted this in a very specific channel, and 100% under .10. We can make educated guesses at who/why, but regardless of whoever they are and why they want it here, what VIRT/OTCN did both times we broke .10, was the most obvious and aggressive manipulation that I’ve ever witnessed, and couldn’t have been further from “making a market.” The fact that it went completely unaddressed by Charles, leads me to believe that whoever is behind it, is not an enemy/competitor.
Point being is I understand your worries/concern, but I still strongly believe that we’re intentionally undervalued beyond all belief. If the pattern holds true, we’re about 1 month away from next teaser/pattern spike, but I’m not sure how high they’ll allow it go. They could very likely hold it under 0.065, but I’m hoping that’s not the case. If we were to see another run to .15/.16, I’d have a very difficult decision to make on whether to hold or sell. While I do believe that Charles has the best interest of the company in mind, I also believe that commons shareholders are last on his list.
Anyway, at least for the time being, nothing we can do but hurry up and wait some more, as we continue watching the daily rerun. Artificial ceiling now sits at 045, so only a matter of time before they push hard and drop it to 04. WASH+RINSE+REPEAT….
Have a great day/afternoon session…
Hey BDEZ & NYBob - Over the past 2 months or so, I've been developing a game to publish on both iOS app & Android play stores. I submitted the final version this morning for approval (all earlier versions were approved, but I had resubmit after fixing a bug), and hoping to publish live this week. Wanted to give both of you a heads up and ask if you'd help share it where you can (social media, etc...). I believe both of you will love the concept (Trump, Deep-State, DC Swamp, Draining the Swamp, etc..) and I'll PM you some other details I don't want to make public just yet....
Anyway, wanted to at least ask both of you... If not, that's ok, but still worth asking... I'll PM you some other details in a minute....
Yeah Doc, honestly I'm not sure what to think. Do I want the SAGA deal or not want the SAGA deal. Charles has been intentionally vague when talking about the deal in the PR's, so who knows. Is he doing that because if he was clear enough that everyone could see/understand the deal, they'd be livid, or is he doing it to keep something big/beneficial under wraps until later time? Given their history of timelines, as well as following through on anything they've led us to believe was happening, I'm at a 50/50 point. I just don't know.
However, if the deal does go off, I don't believe it will happen until after every last extension has been exercised. I genuinely believe that SAGA is intentionally dragging it out. I don't pretend to know why, but if I had to guess, it would be to allow them to steal as many ENZC shares as they can down here, so they can retain a larger ownership of SAGA once deal is completed, but as I've stated before, that's just a guess.
In regards to ENZC/Trading, it does finally appear that they've got their artificial 045 ceiling just about locked in place. Highest bid in the 043's, and INTL sitting at 045, so even if we hit 045, they'll hold it there. Groundhog Day in full effect, and I think we're at least 1 month away from any type of technical teaser spike, but we'll hurry up, wait, and see....
One would think so. I know that's the big worry, because C3 is the crown jewel that most of us invested and/or held for, so I'm hoping/praying that the patent/licensing rights remain under ENZC, but I interpreted that PR the same as you. "No assets & No operations."
To be honest Dyno, I really don't know what to expect at this point. I wan't to believe that ENZC will somehow retain value after the BGEN/VIRO sale to SAGA, but it's hard. Just have to keep doing what we've been doing for 2.5-3+ years now.... Hurry up and wait some more, as we watch our pps controlled & choked. Is what it is.....
Mutat I believe Clone 3 is playing a role. How long ago did they treat Enzo (Monkey/Chimp) with Clone 3, and we haven't heard a peep about Clone 3 in years. Samsung was producing C3 mABS years ago, and we still haven't even seen an IND. I'm confident that any NDA's in play absolutely involve Clone 3. Also, since the AI is owned by BGEN, Im pretty sure that is involved as well.
I agree with you that ENZC is worth multiple billions vs the $450M, but unfortunately I believe those billions in value will be realized under SAGA, not ENZC. At this point, I think any/all major PR's pertaining to any of our Tech will be held back until SAGA is closed, then PR'd under SAGA, BGEN, or VIRO afterwards. Again, I hope/pray that I'm wrong about this, but some of things that Charles has slipped into the PR's or subtle changes in the PR's that lead me to believe this
1. Charles stating in 1st SAGA PR that ENZC will continue trading on pinks
2. PR's coming out, are no longer coming out of ENZC. They are now coming out under the subs (BGEN/VIRO). I know don't view this as a big deal/change, but 1 year ago these PR's would be coming out under ENZC.
3. The vagueness of any future plans for ENZC after SAGA deal
I guess we'll see. Also, we should get news end of this week, beginning of next stating that SAGA has exercised another 1 month extension.
Gotta love that Groundhog Day chart too... Every day = same... End of day nears, push/slope down begins, and for the past 1-2 weeks has ended with a sizeable T-Trade lower than the final trade of each day. Today's was only 610K, but some of them over the past 1-2 weeks have been over 1M. But no.... There's no coordination to push this lower....LOL..
Yup, SOS day in day out. We've traded over 625M shares since OTCN began, so I'm really beginning to wonder how many they still have left? Once OTCN backs out, I'm sure PUMA will jump back into control, but I'd still like to see OTCN finished, since they're actually selling, where PUMA is just controlling.
I haven't been paying as much attention here lately, but every time I check in and take a look at L2, it's always the same thing/same pattern. It literally has not changed for 2.5 years, and it's usually anywhere from 3-6 months in between each teaser spike, followed by takedown. Around August 10th will be roughly 3 months from the top of the last teaser spike, so maybe we'll get lucky and our next teaser will be closer to the 3 month mark, than the 6 month mark. No retail buying interest and OTCN selling lower each time. I thought for sure that after last Friday, 045 was our new artificial ceiling, but I guess it's not completely locked in yet, so we'll just wait & see where they push it at today's close.
SA, I think that is the problem that ENZC shareholders are facing moving forward. I believe that all PR's, especially any that will really move the needle, will be PR'd under BGEN, VIRO, or even held back until the SAGA deal is done, then PR'd under SAGA. I genuinely don't believe we'll see anything major (C3 cured ENZO/HIV, etc...) PR'd under ENZC.
I'm not sure if you noticed, the past couple of PR's that we've seen, are being published as VIRO or BGEN, instead of ENZC. They mention ENZC by saying "wholly owned by ENZC," but these PR's used to come out in reverse. They'd pr under ENZC, then give the info about the subs and what they've done/working on, but ENZC always took the lead. The fact that they've changed/reversed this, and now PR under BGEN/VIRO and/or BGEN/VIRO take the lead, then mention ENZC within the PR, tells me they have begun the shift. In other words, I'm not expecting any major/significant future PR's coming out under ENZC, except the one that says the SAGA deal is complete and BGEN/VIRO have been sold to them.
I know I'll be called a bear, etc... for this, but that's ok. I'm just reading between the lines and noticing the subtle differences...
Yes Bonnie, becuase for 2.5+ years that is what we were led to believe, and now it seems that everything of value, including our mgmt team, are moving to SAGA. I hope I'm wrong, but the statement they put inside of the PR saying "After the dividends are paid to ENZC shareholders, ENZC will have no assets and no operations" gives me cause for concern. In addition, Charles stated in the first SAGA PR that after the deal "ENZC will continue trading on pinks." This is after 2.5+ years of telling us how important the audit was, so we could uplist, not to mention the #Audit & #Uplist tweets. If this holds true, why would ENZC price appreciate, if they remain on pinks with no assets and no operations? I've also asked the following question many times, and we still don't have an answer.
"If BGEN/VIRO are going to increase SAGA valuation/Market Cap by $450M, how is it that they can't get ENZC beyond $140/$150M market cap?" SAGA is trading at $10/$11 with only 4M+ outstanding shares. When this deal goes through, they're adding a minimum of 45M new shares, which will be the shares they dividend to ENZC. In other words we're all operating on the assumption that we're going to have SAGA shares valued at $10 or more, but how? To maintain that $10 or more pps, BGEN/VIRO have to bring a minimum of $450M in new value to SAGA, when they can't even break $150M with ENZC. ENZC currently owns both BGEN/VIRO, and is sitting at a market cap of only $137M.
Anyway, we'll have to wait and see. I hope I'm wrong, but given ENZC history, what was said in the SAGA PR, and our current market cap while owning both BGEN/VIRO, I have my doubts; although that doesn't mean I want them to come true.
Shot in the dark here, if the pattern continues, and it appears that it's going to, I'd say somwhere between .038-.0435. Based on trading and continued pattern, I'm pretty sure that we'll get news of SAGA exercising another 1-month extension next week, which isn't going to help us. I've already given my opinion on here that PUMA is/has been operating under the direction of SAGA. The more ENZC shares they can steal down here, the larger % ownership they'll have once the deal is completed (I explained it in reply to Dusty yesterday)
Here's a great example. PUMA has basically been inactive sine OTCN took the reigns, yet the second they drop the artificial ceiling down to .045, PUMA immediately becomes active and drops their ask to 0449, as the stacking the wore off. Snippets below show it in order... The second they pushed us under .045, the stacking immediately began. As some of that stacking wore off and it looked like we might go t back over .045, PUMA drops to .0449 to hold it. Not to mention that now it looks like we've also got ALPS, the absolute trashiest of the trashy, to deal with.
rockie, these are the same games we've been watching for 2.5+ years now, and I can't see how anyone who's been here for years, can't see them. Unfortunately, ENZC pps is not going to go back up. Maybe if we see the SAGA deal closed, we'll see a short term spike from people who want the dividend, but I genuinely believe that's our only hope for ENZC. Once this deal is done, it's all about SAGA and the 0.9% of the shares we currently hold in ENZC, SAGA dividend shares we get.
I've only been posting about the pre-10:30 drop and the 2:30 drop for 2.5 years, but yeah, I didn't see it coming... LOL...
I'm trying to stay away rockie, but did you really not see the pre-10:30 drop coming? You can literally set your watch by it. Also, I tried to tell everyone last week that they'd be dropping the artificial ceiling, which was at .05 down to .045 this week. I actually thought it would've happened earlier in the week, but nevertheless, it appears they've finally done it, and I imagine we'll begin seeing them stack under .045.
That said, it is still very early in the day, so you never know. Maybe they won't lock in the artificial 045 ceiling & stack it, but instead allow it back up .046ish... Guess we'll see....
Honestly Dusty, I have no idea. I posted my best guess a few days ago, but that's all it is, a guess. However, one thing is for sure, and nobody can convince me otherwise. We did not end up down here by chance and/or organically. It was not a coincidence that the VIRT/OTCN tagteam appeared the second we broke .10 back in early May, doing the same thing they did in Jan 2022. Neither one was buying or selling, just using their synced up algos to control the ask & bid/drive them back down. Appearing, disappearing, and reappearing together at the exact same second. The second somebody hit their ask, even if it was only for 100 to 1000 shares, they immediately disappeared, waited for buying to stop, then reappeared to drop the ask. Wash+Rinse+Repeat. What they were doing was not organic, and in no way, shape, or form could be considered "making a market." They are doing it for somebody or somebodies, and the big question is "for who?"
Anyway, best guess pasted below....
We've traded over 600M shares since OTCN/INTL began their reign of terror back in May, so starting to wonder how many more shares they have to dump between them?
As it stands now, I'd guess that their reign will continue until the deal is hopefully completed in October. Based on the lack of volume and continued chokehold, I'm 100% expecting to get news next week that SAGA is exercising another 1-month extension.
I had to bite the $1200 bullet over the weekend and buy a MacBook Pro, so I could wrap up the version for iOS.
Submitted final version to google play for review today, and will submit to apple before I go to sleep tonight. Google should approve quick, because they’ve already approved it, but since I added some features, I had to resubmit.
Hopefully game will be live on both sometime over next 4-7 days. I’ll post a link here once it is…
Doubt it. If/when we get past them, PUMA re-takes control, and we still have STXG to deal with... For the time being, both have remained basically inactive, but the second OTCN/INTL wrap up, they'll be back. I genuinely don't believe they're gonna give any opportunity to us prior to October. Pretty sure the chokehold will continue, and likely get worse, but I guess we'll see...
That would be awesome doc, but I personally don't believe they're gonna allow this to move up, regardless of what comes out. I think we're gonna see the SAGA deal drug out to the last second, and during the dragging-time, they're gonna continue holding/pushing this down. I honestly believe what I posted yesterday, about them being behind the chokehold.
Whoever's been controlling this for the past 2.5+ years isn't going to allow this to move. Same thing every day, same pattern for 2.5+ years. We are now in the part of the pattern where they hold us in a tight channel, moving slightly down little by little, preventing the RSI from dropping into oversold territory (ride it just above as long as they can). Once they're ready and the RSI hits oversold, we'll see another little spike, which will be completely erased in the 3-4 days following the spike. WASH+RINSE+REPEAT for 2.5+ years now. As far as daily pattern, the chart below shows what every day looks like. First few trades of day are green/up, then steep drop down prior to and/or around 10:30AM. Again, same thing day in day out. OTCN still dumping unlimited shares, and in the event that they actually finish, I'm 100% confident that PUMA would retake control. Either way, they'll continue the chokehold, so I think we're stuck waiting on SAGA.
Sounds like it would be, but honestly I don't know, and after everything I've seen here over the past 2.5+ years, nothing surprises me. I'm sure there's some kind of loophole that would allow them to do it....
Dyno, I've mentioned it before, but been thinking about again lately. I'm wondering if PUMA has been operating/executing under the direction of the SAGA team. If the SAGA team each individually load just under 5%, they wouldn't have to file any special SEC forms, then when the divs are paid, depending on how many of them there are, they would own a chunk of ENZC, and therefore potentially retain a large ownership of SAGA.
For example, lets say there are 6 of them. Each of them purchase 4.99% (150,239,126 ENZC shares), they would own 901,434,757 ENZC shares combined, or 29.94%. They would end up with 13,473,000 SAGA shares via dividend, + the 4M SAGA shares already owned by SAGA, leaving them with 17,473,000 SAGA shares or 35.7% ownership.
Obviously those numbers would change depending on how many of them there are, but like I've been saying for a very long time, we are down here in laughable land for a reason. I'm not saying that the above is 100% what's going on, but somebody or somebodies want us down here, and that makes sense to me. PUMA began in October 2022, so the end of July will be 9 months straight, and nobody can convince me that it's just a coincidence and/or just an MM "making a market. " Organic trading does not result in an identical pattern for 2.5+ years straight. It just doesn't happen that way.
Anyway, food for thought...
That's actually a good question Timing. As far as ENZC goes, they are getting $450M worth of shares (45M @$10). However, you are right. SAGA has to raise $450M, so where does that $450 go? If there was no $$ and only 45M shares, then SAGA wouldn't have to raise the $$ as suggested in the PR.
My best guess would be that SAGA is using it for trials of C3 and the others, but honestly, who knows? They could be using it to acquire another company or really anything they wish. Great Question though!
foxi - To clarify, I never suggested that ENZC was dumping, nor have I EVER once over the past 3 years suggested that ENZC is stock selling scam. I've vented my frustration with the over-promise/under-deliver many times, but have never ever suggested they were a scan. All that I said in that recent post was that somebody is dumping newly unrestricted shares, and it doesn't make a ton of sense if a $4.5B valuation is around the corner, which is suggested by those saying the $450M is only for 10%. OTCN started selling the second those shares went unrestricted, which is why I said it was the newly unrestricted shares.
I agree that it could be for many reasons, one of which is a pre-arranged transfer/sale of shares at a specific pps, which would explain why there's been such an effort to hold this down.
Anyway, my point was that it's been publicly announced that BGEN/VIRO are being acquired for $450M, so it's just incredibly strange that ENZC's MC, already sitting below $150M with BGEN/VIRO, continues to be pushed down further.
Pretty sure they're just dumping all of those newly unrestricted shares, but why? If this SAGA deal is so great and right around the corner, why dump in the 04s? Just doesn't make any sense.
I was also thinking over the weekend. I would really like to know what Chandra was referring to 15+ months ago when he tweeted that a "Monumental Shift" was coming in 6-12 months. I doubt they new about SAGA back then, so what was he expecting and/or talking about?
End of day drop coming? We can usually expect that typcial ENZC end of day push. Will they drop it to low of day or bless us with a 0.1 to 1% green? This is the most predictable stock I've ever seen. Never changes. News doesn't change it. Test results don't change it. Deals on the table don't change it. and of course it's never addressed, so that won't change it either.
A few things just don't add up here. The one I already brought up. Somehow 10% of BGEN/VIRO are going to be worth $450M once listed under SAGA, but while under ENZC they're not worth $150M. Then, with this deal being so great, why are they dumping all of these newly unrestricted shares nonstop? Just does not make any sense whatsoever.
Doc, I seriously doubt this deal gets killed for any reason other than SAGA backing out for some reason. I’m not saying that SAGA is going to do that, only that it would be the only way I see this deal not going through. I believe CC wants this deal more than anything to leave the lawsuits and 3B share structure behind with ENZC.
In regards to running before the deal closes, I doubt it. I don’t think they’ll give anyone a chance to sell higher. I’m convinced this will continue to be intentionally and collaboratively held down/pushed down as far as they can. They are not going to allow it to move up, which again brings the question:
If SAGA is paying $450M for only 10%, as some claim, why is ENZC’s MC only $140M with 100% of BGEN/VIRO? Doesn’t make any sense.
Push to the 03s today? Pretty sure we’ll see them drop the artificial 05 ceiling down to 045 regardless, but could see a push to the 03s depending on how aggressive they get. Guess we’ll see in a few minutes, after our early morning teaser of a few green trades…..
So the $10min pps includes the 45m new shares added to their OS?
To clarify, im asking if SAGA adds 45m new shares to their OS, and after adding them, they have to stay at $10 or higher to avoid the make whole? Or, does it have to be at $10 or more prior to adding the 45M new shares to their OS? Im asking because the result is vastly different depending on which.
If the $10min pps is calculated after the 45M new shares are added to SAGA OS, then I stand corrected. If not, then my question in first post stands…
So it’s after the 45m new shares are added?
On my phone so I can’t give u another piece of cheese. However, eveybody knows the calculation now as you pointed out. Now do it again, but change the SAGA OS from 4m to 49m and see how that calculation turns out. Or, just go back to my post and read slowly this time, and you won’t have to wasted time redoing the calculation.
Sure Rockie. But as I stated before, they’re sitting on 100’s of millions of ENZC SHARES, so they’ll make generational wealth regardless. The same cannot be said about smaller commons…
Dogone, I completely understand that, but it is my understanding that the make whole calculation happens prior to adding the 45m new shares being added to SAGA OS. However if I’m wrong about that, then disregard prior post.
SA - This is exactly why I was asking the question earlier in the week: "Does everyone believe that our shares will be worth $10 each after the 45M are added?"
Unless I'm reading it wrong, my understanding is that SAGA has to be trading at $10 prior to the 45m being added? If this is the case, it would drop the SAGA pps down to 0.81 after the 45M are added, but then we'd have to add the value of BGEN/VIRO to the MC. Based on ENZC MC of only $136M (includes both VIRO/BGEN), that push SAGA up to about $3.59 pps. So this is what the calculation would look:
100K ENZC shares = $4,500
900 SAGA Shares (after 45M added) = $3,231
Point is that I'm just confused as to how they're going to immediately add $450 to SAGA, when ENZC is only at $136M including BGEN/VIRO?. The only way I see that happening is if they release/announce something that's actually tangible/major prior to the deal. Without doing that, I just don't see them jumping more than $300M in value just because they're under a different company.
No drama BT, I just find it fascinating how BGEN/VIRO will immediately add $450M or more in MC to SAGA, yet our MC sits in the $130M's, and just continues getting driven further into the ground. But of course there's nothing to see here. None of this 2.5+ year beatdown is intentional/coordinated, and of course it's not predictable that a 10:30 drop will happen, followed by a 2:30 drop this afternoon.
Anyway, don't worry. I won't continue to beat a dead horse today. Been developing a game over the past month for app / play stores, and need to go buy a mac today (finally giving into Apple, who does everything in their power to force you to buy a mac), so I can wrap up the iOS version....
Have a great weekend!
Good Morning ENZC! Looking like it's gonna be an ugly day today. 9 MM's stacked under 05, and of course OTCN/PUMA still control. I originally didn't think we'd see it until next week, but early signs this morning lead me to believe they'll drop that artificial 05 ceiling down to .045 today, and likely in the next 30 minutes at the usual 10:30 takedown. If not then, I imagine they'll do it at the usual 2:30 takedown.
Amazing how all of this works. $450M on the table for 2 subs (BGEN/VIRO), and SAGA is expected to increase to, and hold, a MC of $490M or more once that deal is completed, yet ENZC's total MC while they still have both of them is under $140M.
This coming from you rockie is pretty funny, but that’s ok. What we post here has zero impact on ENZC. Is is and has been 100% controlled for 2.5+ years now. Nothing we say can change that. If they want it down, which obviously they do, it goes down. Nothing we can say or do to make it any different…
That'd be nice Dyno, but I personally am not expecting anything. Each day we're driven lower and the artificial ceiling drops lower. If there was anything coming anytime soon, we'd see a major increase in volume and our pps would actually move up. If the market thought highly of the SAGA deal, we'd see more volume, and pps would move up. However, we're just not seeing anything different than what we've seen for 2.5+ years nonstop. PUMA/OTCN just keep dropping as quickly as they can. They allow the first few trades of every day to be green, but that's it. Then the push down is back. It doesn't and hasn't changed.
Words don't even exist to accurately depict how badly I'd love to hear something BIG, but I just can't see it happening pre-SAGA. Lets hope I'm wrong.